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Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3137 Posts
November 28 2015 18:32 GMT
#1661
On November 29 2015 03:21 Wintex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2015 03:20 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On November 29 2015 03:12 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On November 29 2015 03:09 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Bad control from Showtime

Yeah, that costed him the game. Otherwise it was quite cool.

Still one can only hope for PvP to continue being Stalker + Disruptor wars. Glad that a lot of people like it here in the forums, gives me hope that I am not totally insane.


I can believe people find Stalker/Disruptor wars entertaining; I can't believe they think this is an example of good RTS design.

?

"RTS design" has become the new "Warcraft 3."
Dies Irae venit. youtube.com/SnobbinsFilms
HellHound
Profile Joined September 2014
Bulgaria5962 Posts
November 28 2015 18:32 GMT
#1662
On November 29 2015 03:31 highsis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2015 03:27 HellHound wrote:
On November 29 2015 03:25 highsis wrote:
Quick solution to PvP:
1. remove +shield damage from disruptor

2. add -shield damage to tempests.

No effect on other matchups. Disruptor, tempests, and collosus were the three reasons for PvP being so horrible. There was time in HOTS when zealots+archons+immortals were used and they were great to watch like BW PvP.

Zealot archon immortal vs zealot archon immortal is literrally the most a move game possible rofl


No, you must not have watched any of those games. Positioning matters and defenders have an advantage.

It's colossus fight that number determines everything.
Positioning matters and defenders have advantage in collosi and roach wars too.
But it's lame to watch and play so AMOVE is what it's called.
Classic GosoO |sOs| Everyone has to give in, let Life win | Zest Is The Best | Roach Cultist | I recognize the might and wisdom of my Otherworldly overlord | Air vs Air 200/200 SC2 is best SC2 | PRIME has been robbed | Fuck prime go ST | ROACH ROACH ROACH
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
November 28 2015 18:32 GMT
#1663
On November 29 2015 03:30 Wildmoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2015 03:25 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On November 29 2015 03:21 Wildmoon wrote:
On November 29 2015 03:17 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On November 29 2015 02:46 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On November 29 2015 02:45 b0lt wrote:
This is somehow worse than colossus deathball vs colossus deathball....

How can this possibly be worse than Colossi a-click wars? This has a lot of positioning and micro in it, Colossi don't...

The last sentence is ridiculous. Colossi wars were everything about positioning.


Colossus is a very snowbally unit. You have a few more than your opponent and you gain huge advantage. You can even push those advantage further because colossi have no cooldown. Disruptors can always stage a comeback with a right shot.

sOs beat PartinG when he was down like 4 colossi because of a superior fight tho, I don't think the advantage is as clear as you make it.


Most of the time it is. Something like that can only happen when both have really high number of colossi. Not gonna happen with 1 vs 5 colossi.

That game was like 1v5 tho
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
November 28 2015 18:34 GMT
#1664
On November 29 2015 03:30 HeroMystic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2015 03:28 WrathSCII wrote:
On November 29 2015 03:22 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On November 29 2015 03:20 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On November 29 2015 03:12 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On November 29 2015 03:09 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Bad control from Showtime

Yeah, that costed him the game. Otherwise it was quite cool.

Still one can only hope for PvP to continue being Stalker + Disruptor wars. Glad that a lot of people like it here in the forums, gives me hope that I am not totally insane.


I can believe people find Stalker/Disruptor wars entertaining; I can't believe they think this is an example of good RTS design.

It reminded me of SCBW Dragoon + Reavers. I can't believe that you didn't like it, especially when you consider what kind of horrors we had in WoL and HotS that called themselves "good PvP"...


That was different because Reavers were much better than Disruptors for one reason

THE SCARAB ITSELF DID NOT GO THROUGH UNITS!

That is what made the Reaver much better unit, you can actually micro the targeted unit away, not keep blinking to survive because splitting is pointless.


This is a good point. If the Disruptor ball didn't phase through units it'd be a lot more balanced while having the same effect.

It would just make Disruptors almost impossible to use since units clump way too much in SC2, and you would end up killing your own units most of the time.
On November 29 2015 03:31 highsis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2015 03:27 HellHound wrote:
On November 29 2015 03:25 highsis wrote:
Quick solution to PvP:
1. remove +shield damage from disruptor

2. add -shield damage to tempests.

No effect on other matchups. Disruptor, tempests, and collosus were the three reasons for PvP being so horrible. There was time in HOTS when zealots+archons+immortals were used and they were great to watch like BW PvP.

Zealot archon immortal vs zealot archon immortal is literrally the most a move game possible rofl


No, you must not have watched any of those games. Positioning matters and defenders have an advantage.

It's colossus fight that number determines everything.

When you position your units correctly you pretty much just a-click. Defender gets the advantage in PvP? Hardly...
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
November 28 2015 18:34 GMT
#1665
Poll: Which PvP did you like better?

Disruptor wars (34)
 
69%

Colossus wars (15)
 
31%

49 total votes

Your vote: Which PvP did you like better?

(Vote): Colossus wars
(Vote): Disruptor wars

Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
Fran_
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1024 Posts
November 28 2015 18:34 GMT
#1666
I actually did enjoy the micro involved in big colossus fights: kiting, flanks, targeting. In my opinion they should try to make these kind of fights last longer, instead of being done in few seconds.
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
November 28 2015 18:34 GMT
#1667
On November 29 2015 03:28 Fran_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2015 03:21 Wildmoon wrote:
On November 29 2015 03:17 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On November 29 2015 02:46 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On November 29 2015 02:45 b0lt wrote:
This is somehow worse than colossus deathball vs colossus deathball....

How can this possibly be worse than Colossi a-click wars? This has a lot of positioning and micro in it, Colossi don't...

The last sentence is ridiculous. Colossi wars were everything about positioning.


Colossus is a very snowbally unit. You have a few more than your opponent and you gain huge advantage. You can even push those advantage further because colossi have no cooldown. Disruptors can always stage a comeback with a right shot.


Which in my opinion makes it a bit too coinflippy.


Coinflipping mean it's based on luck which is obviously not true.
Creager
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1965 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-28 18:35:57
November 28 2015 18:34 GMT
#1668
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... einmal mit Profis spielen!
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
November 28 2015 18:34 GMT
#1669
On November 29 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Poll: Which PvP did you like better?

Disruptor wars (34)
 
69%

Colossus wars (15)
 
31%

49 total votes

Your vote: Which PvP did you like better?

(Vote): Colossus wars
(Vote): Disruptor wars


lack of option
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16103 Posts
November 28 2015 18:35 GMT
#1670
I want HotS back
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
November 28 2015 18:35 GMT
#1671
On November 29 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Poll: Which PvP did you like better?

Disruptor wars (34)
 
69%

Colossus wars (15)
 
31%

49 total votes

Your vote: Which PvP did you like better?

(Vote): Colossus wars
(Vote): Disruptor wars


People actually like giraf wars more ...?
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Fran_
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1024 Posts
November 28 2015 18:35 GMT
#1672
On November 29 2015 03:34 Wildmoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2015 03:28 Fran_ wrote:
On November 29 2015 03:21 Wildmoon wrote:
On November 29 2015 03:17 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On November 29 2015 02:46 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On November 29 2015 02:45 b0lt wrote:
This is somehow worse than colossus deathball vs colossus deathball....

How can this possibly be worse than Colossi a-click wars? This has a lot of positioning and micro in it, Colossi don't...

The last sentence is ridiculous. Colossi wars were everything about positioning.


Colossus is a very snowbally unit. You have a few more than your opponent and you gain huge advantage. You can even push those advantage further because colossi have no cooldown. Disruptors can always stage a comeback with a right shot.


Which in my opinion makes it a bit too coinflippy.


Coinflipping mean it's based on luck which is obviously not true.


It is not obvious at all.
Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
November 28 2015 18:35 GMT
#1673
On November 29 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Poll: Which PvP did you like better?

Disruptor wars (34)
 
69%

Colossus wars (15)
 
31%

49 total votes

Your vote: Which PvP did you like better?

(Vote): Colossus wars
(Vote): Disruptor wars



Playing or watching?
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
November 28 2015 18:36 GMT
#1674
On November 29 2015 03:34 Makro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Poll: Which PvP did you like better?

Disruptor wars (34)
 
69%

Colossus wars (15)
 
31%

49 total votes

Your vote: Which PvP did you like better?

(Vote): Colossus wars
(Vote): Disruptor wars


lack of option

No one likes 4gate

But I just wanted to compare the two
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
November 28 2015 18:36 GMT
#1675
I don't know. I like continued battles. Not continued dodging.
Neosteel Enthusiast
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
November 28 2015 18:36 GMT
#1676
On November 29 2015 03:34 Creager wrote:
[image loading]

Splendid
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
November 28 2015 18:36 GMT
#1677
On November 29 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Poll: Which PvP did you like better?

Disruptor wars (34)
 
69%

Colossus wars (15)
 
31%

49 total votes

Your vote: Which PvP did you like better?

(Vote): Colossus wars
(Vote): Disruptor wars


C. 4Gate vs 4Gate
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
November 28 2015 18:36 GMT
#1678
On November 29 2015 03:35 Lorning wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Poll: Which PvP did you like better?

Disruptor wars (34)
 
69%

Colossus wars (15)
 
31%

49 total votes

Your vote: Which PvP did you like better?

(Vote): Colossus wars
(Vote): Disruptor wars


People actually like giraf wars more ...?


8-8 atm
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3175 Posts
November 28 2015 18:36 GMT
#1679
On November 29 2015 03:35 Lorning wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2015 03:34 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Poll: Which PvP did you like better?

Disruptor wars (34)
 
69%

Colossus wars (15)
 
31%

49 total votes

Your vote: Which PvP did you like better?

(Vote): Colossus wars
(Vote): Disruptor wars


People actually like giraf wars more ...?


Those people actually play the game not twitch viewers who care about "Dem Explosion by Michael Bay".
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12891 Posts
November 28 2015 18:36 GMT
#1680
Colossus fight is interesting to watch, the issue is that it ends most of the time with one engagement.
But I am in the minority with liking roach war because of its constant trade and positioning and harassing
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
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