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Alucen-Will-
Profile Joined October 2014
United States4054 Posts
May 08 2015 15:56 GMT
#581
On May 09 2015 00:55 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
So forgive me for minor balance whine, but I'm kind of at a loss here trying to figure out what Zerg is supposed to do about this Blinkstalker/sentry into storm stuff we're seeing. Feels like you're a bit screwed since storm really has no counter for zergs now since you can't zone templar out before they hit their storms if the protoss controls right


Watch Soulkey against PartinG from the KeSPA cup. you have to pull apart the Protoss army and punish the early storm transition. If you kill the third base of the Protoss its almost impossible for them to win a macro game.
A lot of burrowed roach play and roach/hydra timings are very popular to punish the early templar transitions.
Alchemik
Profile Joined March 2014
Poland7124 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-08 15:57:34
May 08 2015 15:57 GMT
#582
On May 09 2015 00:55 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
So forgive me for minor balance whine, but I'm kind of at a loss here trying to figure out what Zerg is supposed to do about this Blinkstalker/sentry into storm stuff we're seeing. Feels like you're a bit screwed since storm really has no counter for zergs now since you can't zone templar out before they hit their storms if the protoss controls right

you can do aggressive roach pushes early on, later on hope you can get out r/h/v to not die to the first push, and then hope you can get out broodlords for the next one

at least that's how I see pros play
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23580 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-08 15:57:23
May 08 2015 15:57 GMT
#583
On May 09 2015 00:55 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2015 00:52 Musicus wrote:
On May 09 2015 00:48 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 09 2015 00:47 royalroadweed wrote:
These kinds of games makes me wonder why storm isn't used more often vs zerg.


Roaches don't really care about storm. It's great vs lings, hydras and as support vs corruptors, but not much else.


2 storms still kill a roach though, and if it makes the opponent burrow that's less dps. As a zerg always shed tears when I hear Protoss claim storm does nothing to roaches :D. I think we will see more HTs from Protoss, without mass locusts to zone them out.

Of course going straight to Hts without a robo vs mass roach is not great if that's what you mean.


It's not necessarily bad vs roaches if you have a lot of stuff to back it up, but you do need that stuff first. With how gas heavy templar and storm research are, you're far far better off opening mass blink stalker/sentry/immortal while upgrading and teching slowly.


Of course, I fully agree. But when you do have HTs in the late game, behind a beefy army, they do actually wreck everything besides Ultras. Saying they are only good vs Hydra/Ling and maybe stacked up corruptrs is a bit much .
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
May 08 2015 15:57 GMT
#584
MMA lost to revolver. Wat
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
May 08 2015 15:57 GMT
#585
On May 09 2015 00:56 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2015 00:55 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
So forgive me for minor balance whine, but I'm kind of at a loss here trying to figure out what Zerg is supposed to do about this Blinkstalker/sentry into storm stuff we're seeing. Feels like you're a bit screwed since storm really has no counter for zergs now since you can't zone templar out before they hit their storms if the protoss controls right


I don't know either. Give the koreans some time though, they've come up with a lot of good stuff before. I do think they'll need to buff something though eventually.

Infestors, I'd say
I Protoss winner, could it be?
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
May 08 2015 15:57 GMT
#586
On May 09 2015 00:55 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
So forgive me for minor balance whine, but I'm kind of at a loss here trying to figure out what Zerg is supposed to do about this Blinkstalker/sentry into storm stuff we're seeing. Feels like you're a bit screwed since storm really has no counter for zergs now since you can't zone templar out before they hit their storms if the protoss controls right

Zergs should sure have some fun in ZvP in the next few months
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
May 08 2015 15:57 GMT
#587
Okay, MMA vs Scarlett, who's streaming it? I refuse to believe no one would pick up that game
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
May 08 2015 15:58 GMT
#588
How does Bly 2-0 San ? O_o
SC2 is the best game to watch and was the best to play before I grew old and slow...
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
May 08 2015 15:58 GMT
#589
On May 09 2015 00:57 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2015 00:55 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 09 2015 00:52 Musicus wrote:
On May 09 2015 00:48 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 09 2015 00:47 royalroadweed wrote:
These kinds of games makes me wonder why storm isn't used more often vs zerg.


Roaches don't really care about storm. It's great vs lings, hydras and as support vs corruptors, but not much else.


2 storms still kill a roach though, and if it makes the opponent burrow that's less dps. As a zerg always shed tears when I hear Protoss claim storm does nothing to roaches :D. I think we will see more HTs from Protoss, without mass locusts to zone them out.

Of course going straight to Hts without a robo vs mass roach is not great if that's what you mean.


It's not necessarily bad vs roaches if you have a lot of stuff to back it up, but you do need that stuff first. With how gas heavy templar and storm research are, you're far far better off opening mass blink stalker/sentry/immortal while upgrading and teching slowly.


Of course, I fully agree. But when you do have HTs in the late game, behind a beefy army, they do actually wreck everything besides Ultras. Saying they are only good vs Hydra/Ling and maybe stacked up corruptrs is a bit much .


As the main tech option I meant! But yeah, there's basically no situation where I wouldn't want storm to support my army, except lategame PvP.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
May 08 2015 15:58 GMT
#590
On May 09 2015 00:58 Serimek wrote:
How does Bly 2-0 San ? O_o

Roaches were probably involved.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
May 08 2015 15:58 GMT
#591
On May 09 2015 00:58 Serimek wrote:
How does Bly 2-0 San ? O_o

#blyonfire
Neosteel Enthusiast
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
May 08 2015 15:59 GMT
#592
Lycan killing esports.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
MiniFotToss
Profile Joined December 2013
China2430 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-08 16:00:01
May 08 2015 15:59 GMT
#593
On May 09 2015 00:55 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
So forgive me for minor balance whine, but I'm kind of at a loss here trying to figure out what Zerg is supposed to do about this Blinkstalker/sentry into storm stuff we're seeing. Feels like you're a bit screwed since storm really has no counter for zergs now since you can't zone templar out before they hit their storms if the protoss controls right

If you can't outmuscle 'em, outsmart 'em
+ Show Spoiler +
Although, it is quite hard to outsmart a protoss, since their usual the guys that have the most available builds to utilize and have the most cheeses and all-ins
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
May 08 2015 15:59 GMT
#594
On May 09 2015 00:56 Boucot wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
https://twitter.com/aceresport/status/596704917340950528


So Bly beats San and MMA loses to Revolver (who lost to Stephano). What is wrong with Acer ?

EDIT : (P)MC 2-0 (T)MarineLorD

LOOOL MMA LOST REVOLVER
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
May 08 2015 15:59 GMT
#595
Fanatsy on wardii.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
shid0x
Profile Joined July 2012
Korea (South)5014 Posts
May 08 2015 15:59 GMT
#596
On May 09 2015 00:59 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2015 00:56 Boucot wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
https://twitter.com/aceresport/status/596704917340950528


So Bly beats San and MMA loses to Revolver (who lost to Stephano). What is wrong with Acer ?

EDIT : (P)MC 2-0 (T)MarineLorD

LOOOL MMA LOST REVOLVER



ANTI TEAM INSTANT PICKUP
RIP MKP
dazed25
Profile Joined August 2014
3566 Posts
May 08 2015 15:59 GMT
#597
fantasy vs psionic

http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/SC2Improve
Zest, Rain, Life, Stats, Flash, PartinG, herO
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
May 08 2015 16:00 GMT
#598
On May 09 2015 00:59 royalroadweed wrote:
Fanatsy on wardii.

Thanks!
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
May 08 2015 16:00 GMT
#599
On May 09 2015 00:59 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2015 00:56 Boucot wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
https://twitter.com/aceresport/status/596704917340950528


So Bly beats San and MMA loses to Revolver (who lost to Stephano). What is wrong with Acer ?

EDIT : (P)MC 2-0 (T)MarineLorD

LOOOL MMA LOST REVOLVER

GSL is a farce
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
Awin
Profile Joined June 2014
France65 Posts
May 08 2015 16:00 GMT
#600
State of PvZ in this tournament so far :

Chubz 2 - 1 Firecake
Lilbow 2 - 0 Minirazer
Lilbow 2 - 0 Hyun
MC 2 -1 Hino
Harstem 2 - 1 Serral
Mana 2 - 0 Scarlett
PtitDrogo 2 - 1 Snute
Psionic 2 - 0 TLO
Verdi 2 - 1 Petreaus
Rain 2 - 0 VeniVidiVins
San 2 - 0 Soyhi
jeysen1 - 2 Zanster
San 0 - 2 Bly

Except for the koreans, most of this victory are unexpected. I saw TLO, Snute and Scarletts series and the majority of the defeats were long macro games were zerg never seem able to find a solution to compete with protoss maxed out army...
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