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On April 20 2015 20:50 Exstasy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 20:46 GumBa wrote:On April 20 2015 20:45 Exstasy wrote:On April 20 2015 20:43 GumBa wrote:On April 20 2015 20:42 Exstasy wrote:On April 20 2015 20:39 GumBa wrote:On April 20 2015 20:37 Exstasy wrote:On April 20 2015 20:34 GumBa wrote:On April 20 2015 20:33 Exstasy wrote:On April 20 2015 20:31 OtherWorld wrote:
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Terran must be disgustingly OP if even SlumpoVation all-kills shit (; Slump Slump Slump Slump. No one is allowed to lose games, both sides should just win every game right? rofl I you think Innovation is not slumping with the way he has been playing since Iem then I dunno what to tell you. or it's a bullshit word used more to make forum dwellers feel better about themselves than it is to reasonably discuss a players form. Are you trolling. Pls don't tell me you are serious. INnoVation is playing bad since Iem no ifs no buts and that is defined as slump. And lol trying to make forum dweller feel better about themselves are you for real? I'm sorry Ms.Jackson I am for real. there is more to a players form than looking at a win/loss ratio. You can boil it down to that if you want but you're excluding a lot of information. I'm not exclusively talking about Inno here btw, someone loses and they go 'slump slump slump' as if that contributes anything to any discussion. You specifally call out a post talking about INnoVation though. Yeah I think it applies to Inno but I'm not exclusively talking about him. Form naturally ebbs and flows, It is stupid after some good form to then expect only that or spout slump slump. Nobody did that though. You just came out of nowhere insulted forum "dwellers". For example, go to earlier pages of this thread and see the 'slump slump' comments about Flash. Flash would still trash 99% of sc2 players everytime but the fact that he has bad form is a testament to the skill level of the game, especially in Korea. but it's "Flash loses to Dark, derp slump slump".
ofc Flash would trash most sc2 players lol he is a pro. Doesnt change the fact that he has been incredibly mediocore to downright bad for a couple of months now and I am pretty sure that is a slump. So once again you arguement falls flat cause those people are actually correct. I dont even get where your point is in Flash would beat Forum users thats just dumb.
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On April 20 2015 20:50 Exstasy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 20:46 GumBa wrote:On April 20 2015 20:45 Exstasy wrote:On April 20 2015 20:43 GumBa wrote:On April 20 2015 20:42 Exstasy wrote:On April 20 2015 20:39 GumBa wrote:On April 20 2015 20:37 Exstasy wrote:On April 20 2015 20:34 GumBa wrote:On April 20 2015 20:33 Exstasy wrote:On April 20 2015 20:31 OtherWorld wrote:
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Terran must be disgustingly OP if even SlumpoVation all-kills shit (; Slump Slump Slump Slump. No one is allowed to lose games, both sides should just win every game right? rofl I you think Innovation is not slumping with the way he has been playing since Iem then I dunno what to tell you. or it's a bullshit word used more to make forum dwellers feel better about themselves than it is to reasonably discuss a players form. Are you trolling. Pls don't tell me you are serious. INnoVation is playing bad since Iem no ifs no buts and that is defined as slump. And lol trying to make forum dweller feel better about themselves are you for real? I'm sorry Ms.Jackson I am for real. there is more to a players form than looking at a win/loss ratio. You can boil it down to that if you want but you're excluding a lot of information. I'm not exclusively talking about Inno here btw, someone loses and they go 'slump slump slump' as if that contributes anything to any discussion. You specifally call out a post talking about INnoVation though. Yeah I think it applies to Inno but I'm not exclusively talking about him. Form naturally ebbs and flows, It is stupid after some good form to then expect only that or spout slump slump. Nobody did that though. You just came out of nowhere insulted forum "dwellers". For example, go to earlier pages of this thread and see the 'slump slump' comments about Flash. Flash would still trash 99% of sc2 players everytime but the fact that he has bad form is a testament to the skill level of the game, especially in Korea. but it's "Flash loses to Dark, derp slump slump".
There are like 3 posts saying that FlaSh is disappointing and these don't even mention a slump, but w/e
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On April 20 2015 20:51 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 20:50 rotta wrote:
Was there anyone complaining about the format last round? Well SKT didn't play until the finals that round, you see.
Don't
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On April 20 2015 20:50 Exstasy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 20:46 GumBa wrote:On April 20 2015 20:45 Exstasy wrote:On April 20 2015 20:43 GumBa wrote:On April 20 2015 20:42 Exstasy wrote:On April 20 2015 20:39 GumBa wrote:On April 20 2015 20:37 Exstasy wrote:On April 20 2015 20:34 GumBa wrote:On April 20 2015 20:33 Exstasy wrote:On April 20 2015 20:31 OtherWorld wrote:
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Terran must be disgustingly OP if even SlumpoVation all-kills shit (; Slump Slump Slump Slump. No one is allowed to lose games, both sides should just win every game right? rofl I you think Innovation is not slumping with the way he has been playing since Iem then I dunno what to tell you. or it's a bullshit word used more to make forum dwellers feel better about themselves than it is to reasonably discuss a players form. Are you trolling. Pls don't tell me you are serious. INnoVation is playing bad since Iem no ifs no buts and that is defined as slump. And lol trying to make forum dweller feel better about themselves are you for real? I'm sorry Ms.Jackson I am for real. there is more to a players form than looking at a win/loss ratio. You can boil it down to that if you want but you're excluding a lot of information. I'm not exclusively talking about Inno here btw, someone loses and they go 'slump slump slump' as if that contributes anything to any discussion. You specifally call out a post talking about INnoVation though. Yeah I think it applies to Inno but I'm not exclusively talking about him. Form naturally ebbs and flows, It is stupid after some good form to then expect only that or spout slump slump. Nobody did that though. You just came out of nowhere insulted forum "dwellers". For example, go to earlier pages of this thread and see the 'slump slump' comments about Flash. Flash would still trash 99% of sc2 players everytime but the fact that he has bad form is a testament to the skill level of the game, especially in Korea. but it's "Flash loses to Dark, derp slump slump".
Flash losing to dark is normal, like Flash being bad at sc2 except for 3/4 months. But once he got to this height it's normal to see his downfall after losing to DRG in the ro16 of the last 2014 GSL as a slump. Especially when he's awful, on some YoDa/MarineKing level in proleague.
But yeah is absolutely not slumping since 2014 fall, at all and you deserve a medal to enlighten all the forum dweller about this fact.
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On April 20 2015 20:52 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 20:50 Exstasy wrote:On April 20 2015 20:46 GumBa wrote:On April 20 2015 20:45 Exstasy wrote:On April 20 2015 20:43 GumBa wrote:On April 20 2015 20:42 Exstasy wrote:On April 20 2015 20:39 GumBa wrote:On April 20 2015 20:37 Exstasy wrote:On April 20 2015 20:34 GumBa wrote:On April 20 2015 20:33 Exstasy wrote:
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Slump Slump Slump Slump. No one is allowed to lose games, both sides should just win every game right? rofl I you think Innovation is not slumping with the way he has been playing since Iem then I dunno what to tell you. or it's a bullshit word used more to make forum dwellers feel better about themselves than it is to reasonably discuss a players form. Are you trolling. Pls don't tell me you are serious. INnoVation is playing bad since Iem no ifs no buts and that is defined as slump. And lol trying to make forum dweller feel better about themselves are you for real? I'm sorry Ms.Jackson I am for real. there is more to a players form than looking at a win/loss ratio. You can boil it down to that if you want but you're excluding a lot of information. I'm not exclusively talking about Inno here btw, someone loses and they go 'slump slump slump' as if that contributes anything to any discussion. You specifally call out a post talking about INnoVation though. Yeah I think it applies to Inno but I'm not exclusively talking about him. Form naturally ebbs and flows, It is stupid after some good form to then expect only that or spout slump slump. Nobody did that though. You just came out of nowhere insulted forum "dwellers". For example, go to earlier pages of this thread and see the 'slump slump' comments about Flash. Flash would still trash 99% of sc2 players everytime but the fact that he has bad form is a testament to the skill level of the game, especially in Korea. but it's "Flash loses to Dark, derp slump slump". There are like 3 posts saying that FlaSh is disappointing and these don't even mention a slump, but w/e
They also conveniently ignore his opponent. I'm not disappointed by Flash losing to Dark that much, and Dark even almost fucked that one up.
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On April 20 2015 20:51 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 20:50 Exstasy wrote:On April 20 2015 20:46 GumBa wrote:On April 20 2015 20:45 Exstasy wrote:On April 20 2015 20:43 GumBa wrote:On April 20 2015 20:42 Exstasy wrote:On April 20 2015 20:39 GumBa wrote:On April 20 2015 20:37 Exstasy wrote:On April 20 2015 20:34 GumBa wrote:On April 20 2015 20:33 Exstasy wrote:
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Slump Slump Slump Slump. No one is allowed to lose games, both sides should just win every game right? rofl I you think Innovation is not slumping with the way he has been playing since Iem then I dunno what to tell you. or it's a bullshit word used more to make forum dwellers feel better about themselves than it is to reasonably discuss a players form. Are you trolling. Pls don't tell me you are serious. INnoVation is playing bad since Iem no ifs no buts and that is defined as slump. And lol trying to make forum dweller feel better about themselves are you for real? I'm sorry Ms.Jackson I am for real. there is more to a players form than looking at a win/loss ratio. You can boil it down to that if you want but you're excluding a lot of information. I'm not exclusively talking about Inno here btw, someone loses and they go 'slump slump slump' as if that contributes anything to any discussion. You specifally call out a post talking about INnoVation though. Yeah I think it applies to Inno but I'm not exclusively talking about him. Form naturally ebbs and flows, It is stupid after some good form to then expect only that or spout slump slump. Nobody did that though. You just came out of nowhere insulted forum "dwellers". For example, go to earlier pages of this thread and see the 'slump slump' comments about Flash. Flash would still trash 99% of sc2 players everytime but the fact that he has bad form is a testament to the skill level of the game, especially in Korea. but it's "Flash loses to Dark, derp slump slump". Flash is in not as much of a slump as he is stubborn in his play. He thinks he can do as much with the small numbers of units he creates during games as he could in BW.
See at least you're contributing to the discussion, referencing his playstyle, taking into account other factors etc.
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On April 20 2015 20:52 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 20:51 Elentos wrote:On April 20 2015 20:50 rotta wrote:
Was there anyone complaining about the format last round? Well SKT didn't play until the finals that round, you see. Don't
Must've sucked to watch some Zerg win a bunch of games.
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On April 20 2015 20:53 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 20:52 OtherWorld wrote:On April 20 2015 20:50 Exstasy wrote:On April 20 2015 20:46 GumBa wrote:On April 20 2015 20:45 Exstasy wrote:On April 20 2015 20:43 GumBa wrote:On April 20 2015 20:42 Exstasy wrote:On April 20 2015 20:39 GumBa wrote:On April 20 2015 20:37 Exstasy wrote:On April 20 2015 20:34 GumBa wrote:
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rofl I you think Innovation is not slumping with the way he has been playing since Iem then I dunno what to tell you. or it's a bullshit word used more to make forum dwellers feel better about themselves than it is to reasonably discuss a players form. Are you trolling. Pls don't tell me you are serious. INnoVation is playing bad since Iem no ifs no buts and that is defined as slump. And lol trying to make forum dweller feel better about themselves are you for real? I'm sorry Ms.Jackson I am for real. there is more to a players form than looking at a win/loss ratio. You can boil it down to that if you want but you're excluding a lot of information. I'm not exclusively talking about Inno here btw, someone loses and they go 'slump slump slump' as if that contributes anything to any discussion. You specifally call out a post talking about INnoVation though. Yeah I think it applies to Inno but I'm not exclusively talking about him. Form naturally ebbs and flows, It is stupid after some good form to then expect only that or spout slump slump. Nobody did that though. You just came out of nowhere insulted forum "dwellers". For example, go to earlier pages of this thread and see the 'slump slump' comments about Flash. Flash would still trash 99% of sc2 players everytime but the fact that he has bad form is a testament to the skill level of the game, especially in Korea. but it's "Flash loses to Dark, derp slump slump". There are like 3 posts saying that FlaSh is disappointing and these don't even mention a slump, but w/e They also conveniently ignore his opponent. I'm not disappointed by Flash losing to Dark that much, and Dark even almost fucked that one up.
Well this match was like, ok Expedition Lost is gone and whatever happens there is still Stats/Zest/Life to cover up.
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On April 20 2015 20:53 Exstasy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 20:51 Wintex wrote:On April 20 2015 20:50 Exstasy wrote:On April 20 2015 20:46 GumBa wrote:On April 20 2015 20:45 Exstasy wrote:On April 20 2015 20:43 GumBa wrote:On April 20 2015 20:42 Exstasy wrote:On April 20 2015 20:39 GumBa wrote:On April 20 2015 20:37 Exstasy wrote:On April 20 2015 20:34 GumBa wrote:
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rofl I you think Innovation is not slumping with the way he has been playing since Iem then I dunno what to tell you. or it's a bullshit word used more to make forum dwellers feel better about themselves than it is to reasonably discuss a players form. Are you trolling. Pls don't tell me you are serious. INnoVation is playing bad since Iem no ifs no buts and that is defined as slump. And lol trying to make forum dweller feel better about themselves are you for real? I'm sorry Ms.Jackson I am for real. there is more to a players form than looking at a win/loss ratio. You can boil it down to that if you want but you're excluding a lot of information. I'm not exclusively talking about Inno here btw, someone loses and they go 'slump slump slump' as if that contributes anything to any discussion. You specifally call out a post talking about INnoVation though. Yeah I think it applies to Inno but I'm not exclusively talking about him. Form naturally ebbs and flows, It is stupid after some good form to then expect only that or spout slump slump. Nobody did that though. You just came out of nowhere insulted forum "dwellers". For example, go to earlier pages of this thread and see the 'slump slump' comments about Flash. Flash would still trash 99% of sc2 players everytime but the fact that he has bad form is a testament to the skill level of the game, especially in Korea. but it's "Flash loses to Dark, derp slump slump". Flash is in not as much of a slump as he is stubborn in his play. He thinks he can do as much with the small numbers of units he creates during games as he could in BW. See at least you're contributing to the discussion, referencing his playstyle, taking into account other factors etc.
Ok playstyle: Flash plays passively and stubbornly and like to allin in TvP. And he has been very very meh at that for a few months.
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On April 20 2015 20:50 rotta wrote:
Was there anyone complaining about the format last round?
The Startale/JAGW drama filled up all the place.
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On April 20 2015 20:52 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 20:50 Exstasy wrote:On April 20 2015 20:46 GumBa wrote:On April 20 2015 20:45 Exstasy wrote:On April 20 2015 20:43 GumBa wrote:On April 20 2015 20:42 Exstasy wrote:On April 20 2015 20:39 GumBa wrote:On April 20 2015 20:37 Exstasy wrote:On April 20 2015 20:34 GumBa wrote:On April 20 2015 20:33 Exstasy wrote:
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Slump Slump Slump Slump. No one is allowed to lose games, both sides should just win every game right? rofl I you think Innovation is not slumping with the way he has been playing since Iem then I dunno what to tell you. or it's a bullshit word used more to make forum dwellers feel better about themselves than it is to reasonably discuss a players form. Are you trolling. Pls don't tell me you are serious. INnoVation is playing bad since Iem no ifs no buts and that is defined as slump. And lol trying to make forum dweller feel better about themselves are you for real? I'm sorry Ms.Jackson I am for real. there is more to a players form than looking at a win/loss ratio. You can boil it down to that if you want but you're excluding a lot of information. I'm not exclusively talking about Inno here btw, someone loses and they go 'slump slump slump' as if that contributes anything to any discussion. You specifally call out a post talking about INnoVation though. Yeah I think it applies to Inno but I'm not exclusively talking about him. Form naturally ebbs and flows, It is stupid after some good form to then expect only that or spout slump slump. Nobody did that though. You just came out of nowhere insulted forum "dwellers". For example, go to earlier pages of this thread and see the 'slump slump' comments about Flash. Flash would still trash 99% of sc2 players everytime but the fact that he has bad form is a testament to the skill level of the game, especially in Korea. but it's "Flash loses to Dark, derp slump slump". ofc Flash would trash most sc2 players lol he is a pro. Doesnt change the fact that he has been incredibly mediocore to downright bad for a couple of months now and I am pretty sure that is a slump. So once again you arguement falls flat cause those people are actually correct. I dont even get where your point is in Flash would beat Forum users thats just dumb.
that was not my point lol
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On April 20 2015 20:56 Exstasy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 20:52 GumBa wrote:On April 20 2015 20:50 Exstasy wrote:On April 20 2015 20:46 GumBa wrote:On April 20 2015 20:45 Exstasy wrote:On April 20 2015 20:43 GumBa wrote:On April 20 2015 20:42 Exstasy wrote:On April 20 2015 20:39 GumBa wrote:On April 20 2015 20:37 Exstasy wrote:On April 20 2015 20:34 GumBa wrote:
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rofl I you think Innovation is not slumping with the way he has been playing since Iem then I dunno what to tell you. or it's a bullshit word used more to make forum dwellers feel better about themselves than it is to reasonably discuss a players form. Are you trolling. Pls don't tell me you are serious. INnoVation is playing bad since Iem no ifs no buts and that is defined as slump. And lol trying to make forum dweller feel better about themselves are you for real? I'm sorry Ms.Jackson I am for real. there is more to a players form than looking at a win/loss ratio. You can boil it down to that if you want but you're excluding a lot of information. I'm not exclusively talking about Inno here btw, someone loses and they go 'slump slump slump' as if that contributes anything to any discussion. You specifally call out a post talking about INnoVation though. Yeah I think it applies to Inno but I'm not exclusively talking about him. Form naturally ebbs and flows, It is stupid after some good form to then expect only that or spout slump slump. Nobody did that though. You just came out of nowhere insulted forum "dwellers". For example, go to earlier pages of this thread and see the 'slump slump' comments about Flash. Flash would still trash 99% of sc2 players everytime but the fact that he has bad form is a testament to the skill level of the game, especially in Korea. but it's "Flash loses to Dark, derp slump slump". ofc Flash would trash most sc2 players lol he is a pro. Doesnt change the fact that he has been incredibly mediocore to downright bad for a couple of months now and I am pretty sure that is a slump. So once again you arguement falls flat cause those people are actually correct. [b[I dont even get where your point is in Flash would beat Forum users thats just dumb. that was not my point lol [/b]
First you reply to a post about Inno with lol forum dwellers are dumb slump slump we prove you wrong then you take another specific post about Flash and you are wrong again.
Then why even mention it in your point.
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On April 20 2015 20:51 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 20:48 Wintex wrote:On April 20 2015 20:46 KelsierSC wrote:On April 20 2015 20:44 Wintex wrote:
Ok guys let`s just stop discussing with Kelsier since he won't stop repeating the same post over and over again. We are going in circles and should do something productive instead.
Opinions are and will remain opinions. well i've put forward reasons why the all-kill format doesn't make sense here and also why the format is poor in general and your only argument is that i'm bitching about protoss so clearly you didn't want to have a discussion anyway My first two posts directed at you mentioned race. The rest have not. Please look at the logs and reply to the arguments I've made about how the formats complement each other and create a change of pace for the viewers. It will make it easier for us both. you haven't contributed anything particularly valuable that makes me want to read your posts again. I disagree with you about the formats complementing eachother and i'm discussing that with people but if you want to just say "don't talk to him, i disagree with him" then you can be that kind of a person I guess
No, you're just failing to assess the situation fairly. The formats work well together from a dramaturgical point of view (spectators, how important matches are etc), from a strategic point of view (one should be able to beat everything a team can throw at one) and because it showcases a different team dynamic. A team should be good as a team to reach a playoffs, and the regular format allows the most skilled teams to show how good their whole team is, while still leaving the ace player to show great stuff in an ace match.
The All Kill format changes that and expects that every member that comes out should be able to contribute. If one fails, the next member either picks up the slack or makes the outcome more horrible. It also creates suspense in the order in which players come out in, and allows for clever sniping. A player that reaches the playoffs should be able to take down anything the opposing team can throw at him or her.
These arguments seem to hold more ground than your personal dislike of the format.
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On April 20 2015 20:54 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 20:53 Elentos wrote:On April 20 2015 20:52 OtherWorld wrote:On April 20 2015 20:50 Exstasy wrote:On April 20 2015 20:46 GumBa wrote:On April 20 2015 20:45 Exstasy wrote:On April 20 2015 20:43 GumBa wrote:On April 20 2015 20:42 Exstasy wrote:On April 20 2015 20:39 GumBa wrote:On April 20 2015 20:37 Exstasy wrote:
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or it's a bullshit word used more to make forum dwellers feel better about themselves than it is to reasonably discuss a players form. Are you trolling. Pls don't tell me you are serious. INnoVation is playing bad since Iem no ifs no buts and that is defined as slump. And lol trying to make forum dweller feel better about themselves are you for real? I'm sorry Ms.Jackson I am for real. there is more to a players form than looking at a win/loss ratio. You can boil it down to that if you want but you're excluding a lot of information. I'm not exclusively talking about Inno here btw, someone loses and they go 'slump slump slump' as if that contributes anything to any discussion. You specifally call out a post talking about INnoVation though. Yeah I think it applies to Inno but I'm not exclusively talking about him. Form naturally ebbs and flows, It is stupid after some good form to then expect only that or spout slump slump. Nobody did that though. You just came out of nowhere insulted forum "dwellers". For example, go to earlier pages of this thread and see the 'slump slump' comments about Flash. Flash would still trash 99% of sc2 players everytime but the fact that he has bad form is a testament to the skill level of the game, especially in Korea. but it's "Flash loses to Dark, derp slump slump". There are like 3 posts saying that FlaSh is disappointing and these don't even mention a slump, but w/e They also conveniently ignore his opponent. I'm not disappointed by Flash losing to Dark that much, and Dark even almost fucked that one up. Well this match was like, ok Expedition Lost is gone and whatever happens there is still Stats/Zest/Life to cover up.
No  I still had faith, thought Flash had something good prepared, thought there may be a reason he is sent in a Zerg map. Instead I saw Flash lose to Dark's trademark corruptors which make me think he didn't prepare well at all.
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IMO the all-kill format is the best thing about playoffs, makes all the games super exciting and its always nice when one of your favorite players get a few kills.
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On April 20 2015 20:58 Silvana wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 20:54 sAsImre wrote:On April 20 2015 20:53 Elentos wrote:On April 20 2015 20:52 OtherWorld wrote:On April 20 2015 20:50 Exstasy wrote:On April 20 2015 20:46 GumBa wrote:On April 20 2015 20:45 Exstasy wrote:On April 20 2015 20:43 GumBa wrote:On April 20 2015 20:42 Exstasy wrote:On April 20 2015 20:39 GumBa wrote:
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Are you trolling. Pls don't tell me you are serious. INnoVation is playing bad since Iem no ifs no buts and that is defined as slump. And lol trying to make forum dweller feel better about themselves are you for real? I'm sorry Ms.Jackson I am for real. there is more to a players form than looking at a win/loss ratio. You can boil it down to that if you want but you're excluding a lot of information. I'm not exclusively talking about Inno here btw, someone loses and they go 'slump slump slump' as if that contributes anything to any discussion. You specifally call out a post talking about INnoVation though. Yeah I think it applies to Inno but I'm not exclusively talking about him. Form naturally ebbs and flows, It is stupid after some good form to then expect only that or spout slump slump. Nobody did that though. You just came out of nowhere insulted forum "dwellers". For example, go to earlier pages of this thread and see the 'slump slump' comments about Flash. Flash would still trash 99% of sc2 players everytime but the fact that he has bad form is a testament to the skill level of the game, especially in Korea. but it's "Flash loses to Dark, derp slump slump". There are like 3 posts saying that FlaSh is disappointing and these don't even mention a slump, but w/e They also conveniently ignore his opponent. I'm not disappointed by Flash losing to Dark that much, and Dark even almost fucked that one up. Well this match was like, ok Expedition Lost is gone and whatever happens there is still Stats/Zest/Life to cover up. No I still had faith, thought Flash had something good prepared, thought there may be a reason he is sent in a Zerg map. Instead I saw Flash lose to Dark's trademark corruptors which make me think he didn't prepare well at all.
Are you serious? He went into double tank production to counter the style, which is what TaeJa and Maru did at IEM. He was prepared as hell, and if he didn't go for a 5 mine drop at the time Dark attacked he would have been in a great spot.
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On April 20 2015 20:55 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 20:53 Exstasy wrote:On April 20 2015 20:51 Wintex wrote:On April 20 2015 20:50 Exstasy wrote:On April 20 2015 20:46 GumBa wrote:On April 20 2015 20:45 Exstasy wrote:On April 20 2015 20:43 GumBa wrote:On April 20 2015 20:42 Exstasy wrote:On April 20 2015 20:39 GumBa wrote:On April 20 2015 20:37 Exstasy wrote:
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or it's a bullshit word used more to make forum dwellers feel better about themselves than it is to reasonably discuss a players form. Are you trolling. Pls don't tell me you are serious. INnoVation is playing bad since Iem no ifs no buts and that is defined as slump. And lol trying to make forum dweller feel better about themselves are you for real? I'm sorry Ms.Jackson I am for real. there is more to a players form than looking at a win/loss ratio. You can boil it down to that if you want but you're excluding a lot of information. I'm not exclusively talking about Inno here btw, someone loses and they go 'slump slump slump' as if that contributes anything to any discussion. You specifally call out a post talking about INnoVation though. Yeah I think it applies to Inno but I'm not exclusively talking about him. Form naturally ebbs and flows, It is stupid after some good form to then expect only that or spout slump slump. Nobody did that though. You just came out of nowhere insulted forum "dwellers". For example, go to earlier pages of this thread and see the 'slump slump' comments about Flash. Flash would still trash 99% of sc2 players everytime but the fact that he has bad form is a testament to the skill level of the game, especially in Korea. but it's "Flash loses to Dark, derp slump slump". Flash is in not as much of a slump as he is stubborn in his play. He thinks he can do as much with the small numbers of units he creates during games as he could in BW. See at least you're contributing to the discussion, referencing his playstyle, taking into account other factors etc. Ok playstyle: Flash plays passively and stubbornly and like to allin in TvP. And he has been very very meh at that for a few months.
if you haven't noticed most Terrans have been doing scv all ins vs P. It wasn't a bad response to the deathball when people were first doing it but now P just has to force a comfortable engagement by a nexus and they'll likely come out ahead. I think we'll see more of Maru's style (hopefully against stats tomorrow). 'has been very very meh' Very descriptive.
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On April 20 2015 20:55 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 20:53 Exstasy wrote:On April 20 2015 20:51 Wintex wrote:On April 20 2015 20:50 Exstasy wrote:On April 20 2015 20:46 GumBa wrote:On April 20 2015 20:45 Exstasy wrote:On April 20 2015 20:43 GumBa wrote:On April 20 2015 20:42 Exstasy wrote:On April 20 2015 20:39 GumBa wrote:On April 20 2015 20:37 Exstasy wrote:
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or it's a bullshit word used more to make forum dwellers feel better about themselves than it is to reasonably discuss a players form. Are you trolling. Pls don't tell me you are serious. INnoVation is playing bad since Iem no ifs no buts and that is defined as slump. And lol trying to make forum dweller feel better about themselves are you for real? I'm sorry Ms.Jackson I am for real. there is more to a players form than looking at a win/loss ratio. You can boil it down to that if you want but you're excluding a lot of information. I'm not exclusively talking about Inno here btw, someone loses and they go 'slump slump slump' as if that contributes anything to any discussion. You specifally call out a post talking about INnoVation though. Yeah I think it applies to Inno but I'm not exclusively talking about him. Form naturally ebbs and flows, It is stupid after some good form to then expect only that or spout slump slump. Nobody did that though. You just came out of nowhere insulted forum "dwellers". For example, go to earlier pages of this thread and see the 'slump slump' comments about Flash. Flash would still trash 99% of sc2 players everytime but the fact that he has bad form is a testament to the skill level of the game, especially in Korea. but it's "Flash loses to Dark, derp slump slump". Flash is in not as much of a slump as he is stubborn in his play. He thinks he can do as much with the small numbers of units he creates during games as he could in BW. See at least you're contributing to the discussion, referencing his playstyle, taking into account other factors etc. Ok playstyle: Flash plays passively and stubbornly and like to allin in TvP. And he has been very very meh at that for a few months.
Don't even have to mention his TvZ. He is still stellar in TvT but still ends up dying to guys like Bomber and skyHigh (TvT bonjwa I know)
Honestly he has the tools and skills to be great in every matchup but seeing him die because of his greed and stubbornness is so annoying. I thought he had turned a corner last year but seemed like another false coming like when he dominated for a few months during the hellbat era.
Oh well he's still good enough to beat everyone else in PL that currently isn't A or S tier. And if you have Flash as your 4th or 5th best player I can't even be mad.
inb4 Action/Sleep better than Flash.
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On April 20 2015 20:57 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 20:51 KelsierSC wrote:On April 20 2015 20:48 Wintex wrote:On April 20 2015 20:46 KelsierSC wrote:On April 20 2015 20:44 Wintex wrote:
Ok guys let`s just stop discussing with Kelsier since he won't stop repeating the same post over and over again. We are going in circles and should do something productive instead.
Opinions are and will remain opinions. well i've put forward reasons why the all-kill format doesn't make sense here and also why the format is poor in general and your only argument is that i'm bitching about protoss so clearly you didn't want to have a discussion anyway My first two posts directed at you mentioned race. The rest have not. Please look at the logs and reply to the arguments I've made about how the formats complement each other and create a change of pace for the viewers. It will make it easier for us both. you haven't contributed anything particularly valuable that makes me want to read your posts again. I disagree with you about the formats complementing eachother and i'm discussing that with people but if you want to just say "don't talk to him, i disagree with him" then you can be that kind of a person I guess No, you're just failing to assess the situation fairly. The formats work well together from a dramaturgical point of view (spectators, how important matches are etc), from a strategic point of view (one should be able to beat everything a team can throw at one) and because it showcases a different team dynamic. A team should be good as a team to reach a playoffs, and the regular format allows the most skilled teams to show how good their whole team is, while still leaving the ace player to show great stuff in an ace match. The All Kill format changes that and expects that every member that comes out should be able to contribute. If one fails, the next member either picks up the slack or makes the outcome more horrible. It also creates suspense in the order in which players come out in, and allows for clever sniping. A player that reaches the playoffs should be able to take down anything the opposing team can throw at him or her. These arguments seem to hold more ground than your personal dislike of format.
This. Regular season allows for teams with depth but no big big stars to do well and reach the playoffs with snipe builds and shit. Playoffs then allow teams with more raw skill to make the difference.
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