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NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
December 26 2014 07:46 GMT
#201
insane snipe with one stalker
SuperNova - 2015 | SKT1 fan for years | Dear, FlaSh, PartinG, Soulkey, Naniwa
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
December 26 2014 07:46 GMT
#202
Holy shit...
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
TeHa
Profile Joined October 2014
New Zealand68 Posts
December 26 2014 07:46 GMT
#203
Loving the CJ internal meta!
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
December 26 2014 07:46 GMT
#204
Poll: Recommend herO vs Bbyong Game 3?

★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
 
7%

★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
 
0%

★★★- Good game (0)
 
0%

★★★★- Highly recommended game (9)
 
60%

★★★★★- One of the best games this season (5)
 
33%

15 total votes

Your vote: Recommend herO vs Bbyong Game 3?

(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season

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yoshi245
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2975 Posts
December 26 2014 07:46 GMT
#205
GJ Bbyong, staying alive.
"Numbers speak about the past, not the present." -Thorzain
DMXD
Profile Joined February 2008
United States4064 Posts
December 26 2014 07:46 GMT
#206
awesome game
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
December 26 2014 07:46 GMT
#207
On December 26 2014 16:45 Lunareste wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2014 16:42 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
On December 26 2014 16:40 Lunareste wrote:
Did anyone catch Bbyong's gas count throughout that game?

herO's army control was insanely good, but I'm just wondering if there's enough gas as a 3 base Terran to make enough Tanks and Vikings to make a strat like that work AND have even closer upgrades.

I know Bbyong's upgrades were a bit late due to the late armory, but did he reach 2/2 at any point in that game?

I'm pretty sure he was still just 1/0 on his vehicle upgrades, even there at the end.


I meant 2/2 on the bio, not the mech. but thanks =)


Ah, yeah he was about halfway(ish) done with 3/3 at the end. I def remember seeing the red bio upgrade icons on the production tab at one point
www.twitch.tv/krazy Best Stream Quality NA @KClarkSC2
dazed25
Profile Joined August 2014
3566 Posts
December 26 2014 07:46 GMT
#208
Nice game. I hope Bbyong wins one more. This series is getting exciting.
Zest, Rain, Life, Stats, Flash, PartinG, herO
NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
December 26 2014 07:46 GMT
#209
GG
SuperNova - 2015 | SKT1 fan for years | Dear, FlaSh, PartinG, Soulkey, Naniwa
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
December 26 2014 07:47 GMT
#210
The overhype is real? Game 2 was much better.
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
December 26 2014 07:47 GMT
#211
On December 26 2014 16:40 Lunareste wrote:
Did anyone catch Bbyong's gas count throughout that game?

herO's army control was insanely good, but I'm just wondering if there's enough gas as a 3 base Terran to make enough Tanks and Vikings to make a strat like that work AND have even closer upgrades.

I know Bbyong's upgrades were a bit late due to the late armory, but did he reach 2/2 at any point in that game?


he was 2/2 right before he lost his 4th.
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pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
December 26 2014 07:47 GMT
#212
Bbyong you mad genius you maniac you fantastic man you
INna Maru-da-FanTa, Bbaby, TY Dream that I'm Flashing you
Baadbeat
Profile Joined June 2011
France203 Posts
December 26 2014 07:48 GMT
#213
Revers all sweep Bbyong? I liked his use of tanks way better in this game than the one before. He shouldn't make too many tanks but having 2-3 early game is great imo.
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
December 26 2014 07:49 GMT
#214
On December 26 2014 16:47 vult wrote:
The overhype is real? Game 2 was much better.


Siege Tanks just won a game in TvP.

In g2, Siege Tanks did not win a game in TvP.
INna Maru-da-FanTa, Bbaby, TY Dream that I'm Flashing you
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
December 26 2014 07:49 GMT
#215
I can't stay up any longer so tired after Christmas festivities. GL to Yonghwa and MarineKing later.

Night guys <3
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
December 26 2014 07:49 GMT
#216
On December 26 2014 16:48 Baadbeat wrote:
Revers all sweep Bbyong? I liked his use of tanks way better in this game than the one before. He shouldn't make too many tanks but having 2-3 early game is great imo.

It seems suuuuuuuper map dependent. Like, Deadwing has a lot of pretty decent siege spots, and overgrowth obviously has that siege up on the nat. I'm sure the other maps have one or two decent spots too but it definitely does not seem like something you want to be doing on every map.
www.twitch.tv/krazy Best Stream Quality NA @KClarkSC2
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
December 26 2014 07:49 GMT
#217
On December 26 2014 16:47 vult wrote:
The overhype is real? Game 2 was much better.

I don't know, I really liked how crazy that game was. Bbyong's great defense against the blink stalkers, the individual unit control from herO, the basetradey situations. It was really action packed and exciting in my eyes.
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KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
December 26 2014 07:51 GMT
#218
On December 26 2014 16:49 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2014 16:48 Baadbeat wrote:
Revers all sweep Bbyong? I liked his use of tanks way better in this game than the one before. He shouldn't make too many tanks but having 2-3 early game is great imo.

It seems suuuuuuuper map dependent. Like, Deadwing has a lot of pretty decent siege spots, and overgrowth obviously has that siege up on the nat. I'm sure the other maps have one or two decent spots too but it definitely does not seem like something you want to be doing on every map.

Tanks are definitely a unit whose effectiveness depends on the map and where they are actually placed, much more than most other units.
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
December 26 2014 07:53 GMT
#219
On December 26 2014 16:46 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2014 16:38 vult wrote:
On December 26 2014 16:35 stuchiu wrote:
tanks still bad.


It's not even that the tanks were bad. Bbyong never had enough air to counter colossus because herO kept sniping medivacs and vikings with the stalkers before blinking back. I really want to go back and watch that game and analyze it more. He killed 4 vikings with 6 stalkers while under fire by marauders and saved 4 of them by blinking back. It was actually immaculate.


One of the many many fundamental problems with tanks is that they're movement speed is slow. Which is fine if you're playing mech or you can set up positions if you have positional advantage, but in skirmish PvT what essentially happens is you have 4 sets of units with 4 different movement speeds.

You have the bio/bio on stim, medivacs, vikings and tanks. Theoretically a player could be able to set them up on 4 hot keys to perfectly micro each unit, but in practice (like most players) set it up on one hotkey then use the mouse to control individuals sets of units. So by including tanks into your comp microing an already hard to micro army just gets that much harder.

Combined with the tanks brittleness, lack of mobility, gas cost, supply count and need to target fire on collosus just makes tank comps not worth the effort for most players.


Additionally going bio tank is very anti-synergistic. The upgrades are split, the medivacs don't help the tanks during big battles, the bio wants to kite back while the tanks want the bio to hold the line and buffer, allowing them to shell the opponent. Getting good compositions and engagement is very difficult and sometimes not possible.

Tank play will only really be possible against Protoss if Terran gets a unit that results in Protoss wanting to kite back and maintain range as well as buffering for tanks. I think such a unit would break bio though.
sashkata
Profile Joined September 2008
Bulgaria3241 Posts
December 26 2014 07:53 GMT
#220
Tanks again. Bbyong, I love you.
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