• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 03:15
CEST 09:15
KST 16:15
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting3[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent6Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Holding On9Maestros of the Game: Live Finals Preview (RO4)5
Community News
Weekly Cups (Oct 6-12): Four star herO65.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8)67Weekly Cups (Sept 29-Oct 5): MaxPax triples up3PartinG joins SteamerZone, returns to SC2 competition325.0.15 Balance Patch Notes (Live version)119
StarCraft 2
General
Maximizing Code Coverage for Reliable Software TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting Weekly Cups (Oct 6-12): Four star herO PartinG joins SteamerZone, returns to SC2 competition 5.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8)
Tourneys
WardiTV Mondays SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 19 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales! SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace Mutation # 494 Unstable Environment Mutation # 493 Quick Killers Mutation # 492 Get Out More
Brood War
General
BSL Season 21 Whose hotkey signature is this? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Any rep analyzer that shows resources situation? BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL20] Semifinal A [ASL20] Semifinal B [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Ro8 Day 4
Strategy
Current Meta BW - ajfirecracker Strategy & Training Siegecraft - a new perspective TvZ Theorycraft - Improving on State of the Art
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread ZeroSpace Megathread Dawn of War IV Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640} TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Men's Fashion Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Sex and weight loss US Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Inbreeding: Why Do We Do It…
Peanutsc
From Tilt to Ragequit:The Ps…
TrAiDoS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1131 users

[S2SL] S1 2015 - Challenge Day 5 - Page 12

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 10 11 12 13 14 31 Next All
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
December 26 2014 07:54 GMT
#221
wtf warp prism
www.twitch.tv/krazy Best Stream Quality NA @KClarkSC2
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
December 26 2014 07:54 GMT
#222
tanks again. Well you can at least say Bbyong is the captain of his soul.
Moderator
Lunareste
Profile Joined July 2011
United States3596 Posts
December 26 2014 07:54 GMT
#223
On December 26 2014 16:47 pure.Wasted wrote:
Bbyong you mad genius you maniac you fantastic man you


Everytime I see this guy I just love him more and more and more
KT FlaSh FOREVER
NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
December 26 2014 07:54 GMT
#224
herO pitied Byong that game. Now it's time for that 3-1.
SuperNova - 2015 | SKT1 fan for years | Dear, FlaSh, PartinG, Soulkey, Naniwa
Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
December 26 2014 07:54 GMT
#225
Twitch, I thought you'd fixed yourself for the night.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
December 26 2014 07:56 GMT
#226
LOL that DT got blown up.
SuperNova - 2015 | SKT1 fan for years | Dear, FlaSh, PartinG, Soulkey, Naniwa
Lunareste
Profile Joined July 2011
United States3596 Posts
December 26 2014 07:57 GMT
#227
On December 26 2014 16:53 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2014 16:46 stuchiu wrote:
On December 26 2014 16:38 vult wrote:
On December 26 2014 16:35 stuchiu wrote:
tanks still bad.


It's not even that the tanks were bad. Bbyong never had enough air to counter colossus because herO kept sniping medivacs and vikings with the stalkers before blinking back. I really want to go back and watch that game and analyze it more. He killed 4 vikings with 6 stalkers while under fire by marauders and saved 4 of them by blinking back. It was actually immaculate.


One of the many many fundamental problems with tanks is that they're movement speed is slow. Which is fine if you're playing mech or you can set up positions if you have positional advantage, but in skirmish PvT what essentially happens is you have 4 sets of units with 4 different movement speeds.

You have the bio/bio on stim, medivacs, vikings and tanks. Theoretically a player could be able to set them up on 4 hot keys to perfectly micro each unit, but in practice (like most players) set it up on one hotkey then use the mouse to control individuals sets of units. So by including tanks into your comp microing an already hard to micro army just gets that much harder.

Combined with the tanks brittleness, lack of mobility, gas cost, supply count and need to target fire on collosus just makes tank comps not worth the effort for most players.


Additionally going bio tank is very anti-synergistic. The upgrades are split, the medivacs don't help the tanks during big battles, the bio wants to kite back while the tanks want the bio to hold the line and buffer, allowing them to shell the opponent. Getting good compositions and engagement is very difficult and sometimes not possible.

Tank play will only really be possible against Protoss if Terran gets a unit that results in Protoss wanting to kite back and maintain range as well as buffering for tanks. I think such a unit would break bio though.


Like the Vulture/Spider Mine? I'm never going to let go of it, Spider Mine would legit make Mech work in TvP again.

Although, from the LOTV matches where I've seen it, the medivac Sieged Tank pickup seems to provide a lot of options. I'm just wondering how it's going to work out when Stalkers need to Blink into the Bio to catch retreating Medivacs that are going to re-drop tanks.
KT FlaSh FOREVER
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
December 26 2014 07:58 GMT
#228
GG Bbyong. Stop building tanks pls.
NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
December 26 2014 07:58 GMT
#229
Another disadvantage of using siege tanks: they need to be sieged mister!
SuperNova - 2015 | SKT1 fan for years | Dear, FlaSh, PartinG, Soulkey, Naniwa
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
December 26 2014 07:58 GMT
#230
disgusting
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
December 26 2014 07:59 GMT
#231
herO is playing so well goddamn
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
December 26 2014 08:01 GMT
#232
Kudos to herO, but Byong's play has been underwhelming. gogo herO!
SuperNova - 2015 | SKT1 fan for years | Dear, FlaSh, PartinG, Soulkey, Naniwa
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
December 26 2014 08:01 GMT
#233
Poll: Recommend herO vs Bbyong Game 4?

★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
 
0%

★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
 
40%

★★★- Good game (3)
 
30%

★★★★- Highly recommended game (3)
 
30%

★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
 
0%

10 total votes

Your vote: Recommend herO vs Bbyong Game 4?

(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season


Poll: Recommend herO vs Bbyong Game 5?

★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
 
14%

★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
 
57%

★★★- Good game (1)
 
14%

★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
 
0%

★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
 
14%

7 total votes

Your vote: Recommend herO vs Bbyong Game 5?

(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season

Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
December 26 2014 08:02 GMT
#234
NO DREAMS ALLOWED TODAY BBYONG sorry
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
December 26 2014 08:02 GMT
#235
On December 26 2014 16:57 Lunareste wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2014 16:53 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On December 26 2014 16:46 stuchiu wrote:
On December 26 2014 16:38 vult wrote:
On December 26 2014 16:35 stuchiu wrote:
tanks still bad.


It's not even that the tanks were bad. Bbyong never had enough air to counter colossus because herO kept sniping medivacs and vikings with the stalkers before blinking back. I really want to go back and watch that game and analyze it more. He killed 4 vikings with 6 stalkers while under fire by marauders and saved 4 of them by blinking back. It was actually immaculate.


One of the many many fundamental problems with tanks is that they're movement speed is slow. Which is fine if you're playing mech or you can set up positions if you have positional advantage, but in skirmish PvT what essentially happens is you have 4 sets of units with 4 different movement speeds.

You have the bio/bio on stim, medivacs, vikings and tanks. Theoretically a player could be able to set them up on 4 hot keys to perfectly micro each unit, but in practice (like most players) set it up on one hotkey then use the mouse to control individuals sets of units. So by including tanks into your comp microing an already hard to micro army just gets that much harder.

Combined with the tanks brittleness, lack of mobility, gas cost, supply count and need to target fire on collosus just makes tank comps not worth the effort for most players.


Additionally going bio tank is very anti-synergistic. The upgrades are split, the medivacs don't help the tanks during big battles, the bio wants to kite back while the tanks want the bio to hold the line and buffer, allowing them to shell the opponent. Getting good compositions and engagement is very difficult and sometimes not possible.

Tank play will only really be possible against Protoss if Terran gets a unit that results in Protoss wanting to kite back and maintain range as well as buffering for tanks. I think such a unit would break bio though.


Like the Vulture/Spider Mine? I'm never going to let go of it, Spider Mine would legit make Mech work in TvP again.

Although, from the LOTV matches where I've seen it, the medivac Sieged Tank pickup seems to provide a lot of options. I'm just wondering how it's going to work out when Stalkers need to Blink into the Bio to catch retreating Medivacs that are going to re-drop tanks.


I'm not sure Vulture/Spider Mine would be effective against colossi. And chargelots seem perfect to drag mines even better than BW speedlots.

As to sieged tank pick up, it seems a really hard thing to balance. It has both the potential to be deceptively bad due to anti-synergies between tanks and medivacs and outrageously broken.
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-26 08:02:30
December 26 2014 08:02 GMT
#236
On December 26 2014 16:47 pure.Wasted wrote:
Bbyong you mad genius you maniac you fantastic man you


Bbyong you mad genius you maniac you fantastic man you

INna Maru-da-FanTa, Bbaby, TY Dream that I'm Flashing you
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
December 26 2014 08:02 GMT
#237
wow SSL is on so early, it's a christmas miracle
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
December 26 2014 08:04 GMT
#238
On December 26 2014 17:02 Dodgin wrote:
wow SSL is on so early, it's a christmas miracle

extra series and they're accounting for fanta vs mk gg timings
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
December 26 2014 08:05 GMT
#239
I can't belive herO almost got his Korea win earlier this year. D:
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
December 26 2014 08:05 GMT
#240
On December 26 2014 17:04 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2014 17:02 Dodgin wrote:
wow SSL is on so early, it's a christmas miracle

extra series and they're accounting for fanta vs mk gg timings


that makes so much sense
Prev 1 10 11 12 13 14 31 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
Patches' TLMC21 Bash #2
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SortOf 9
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 18232
Sea 2554
actioN 503
Larva 259
PianO 177
JulyZerg 95
NaDa 78
ToSsGirL 67
Bale 41
ajuk12(nOOB) 20
League of Legends
JimRising 841
Counter-Strike
ScreaM782
olofmeister683
shoxiejesuss246
Stewie2K128
Other Games
summit1g7010
C9.Mang0436
Tasteless103
NeuroSwarm33
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL8600
Other Games
gamesdonequick1399
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH207
• OhrlRock 7
• intothetv
• Kozan
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Doublelift2082
• Rush1266
• Jankos1210
• Lourlo1099
• Stunt463
• HappyZerGling81
Other Games
• WagamamaTV395
Upcoming Events
Afreeca Starleague
2h 45m
Soma vs Bisu
OSC
6h 45m
OSC
10h 45m
MaxPax vs Gerald
Solar vs Krystianer
PAPI vs Lemon
Ryung vs Moja
Nice vs NightPhoenix
Cham vs TBD
MaNa vs TriGGeR
PiGosaur Monday
16h 45m
OSC
1d 15h
The PondCast
2 days
OSC
2 days
Wardi Open
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
Safe House 2
4 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Safe House 2
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS2
WardiTV TLMC #15
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
EC S1
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025

Upcoming

SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
RSL Offline Finals
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.