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KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
December 26 2014 07:54 GMT
#221
wtf warp prism
www.twitch.tv/krazy Best Stream Quality NA @KClarkSC2
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
December 26 2014 07:54 GMT
#222
tanks again. Well you can at least say Bbyong is the captain of his soul.
Moderator
Lunareste
Profile Joined July 2011
United States3596 Posts
December 26 2014 07:54 GMT
#223
On December 26 2014 16:47 pure.Wasted wrote:
Bbyong you mad genius you maniac you fantastic man you


Everytime I see this guy I just love him more and more and more
KT FlaSh FOREVER
NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
December 26 2014 07:54 GMT
#224
herO pitied Byong that game. Now it's time for that 3-1.
SuperNova - 2015 | SKT1 fan for years | Dear, FlaSh, PartinG, Soulkey, Naniwa
Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
December 26 2014 07:54 GMT
#225
Twitch, I thought you'd fixed yourself for the night.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
December 26 2014 07:56 GMT
#226
LOL that DT got blown up.
SuperNova - 2015 | SKT1 fan for years | Dear, FlaSh, PartinG, Soulkey, Naniwa
Lunareste
Profile Joined July 2011
United States3596 Posts
December 26 2014 07:57 GMT
#227
On December 26 2014 16:53 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2014 16:46 stuchiu wrote:
On December 26 2014 16:38 vult wrote:
On December 26 2014 16:35 stuchiu wrote:
tanks still bad.


It's not even that the tanks were bad. Bbyong never had enough air to counter colossus because herO kept sniping medivacs and vikings with the stalkers before blinking back. I really want to go back and watch that game and analyze it more. He killed 4 vikings with 6 stalkers while under fire by marauders and saved 4 of them by blinking back. It was actually immaculate.


One of the many many fundamental problems with tanks is that they're movement speed is slow. Which is fine if you're playing mech or you can set up positions if you have positional advantage, but in skirmish PvT what essentially happens is you have 4 sets of units with 4 different movement speeds.

You have the bio/bio on stim, medivacs, vikings and tanks. Theoretically a player could be able to set them up on 4 hot keys to perfectly micro each unit, but in practice (like most players) set it up on one hotkey then use the mouse to control individuals sets of units. So by including tanks into your comp microing an already hard to micro army just gets that much harder.

Combined with the tanks brittleness, lack of mobility, gas cost, supply count and need to target fire on collosus just makes tank comps not worth the effort for most players.


Additionally going bio tank is very anti-synergistic. The upgrades are split, the medivacs don't help the tanks during big battles, the bio wants to kite back while the tanks want the bio to hold the line and buffer, allowing them to shell the opponent. Getting good compositions and engagement is very difficult and sometimes not possible.

Tank play will only really be possible against Protoss if Terran gets a unit that results in Protoss wanting to kite back and maintain range as well as buffering for tanks. I think such a unit would break bio though.


Like the Vulture/Spider Mine? I'm never going to let go of it, Spider Mine would legit make Mech work in TvP again.

Although, from the LOTV matches where I've seen it, the medivac Sieged Tank pickup seems to provide a lot of options. I'm just wondering how it's going to work out when Stalkers need to Blink into the Bio to catch retreating Medivacs that are going to re-drop tanks.
KT FlaSh FOREVER
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
December 26 2014 07:58 GMT
#228
GG Bbyong. Stop building tanks pls.
NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
December 26 2014 07:58 GMT
#229
Another disadvantage of using siege tanks: they need to be sieged mister!
SuperNova - 2015 | SKT1 fan for years | Dear, FlaSh, PartinG, Soulkey, Naniwa
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
December 26 2014 07:58 GMT
#230
disgusting
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
December 26 2014 07:59 GMT
#231
herO is playing so well goddamn
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
December 26 2014 08:01 GMT
#232
Kudos to herO, but Byong's play has been underwhelming. gogo herO!
SuperNova - 2015 | SKT1 fan for years | Dear, FlaSh, PartinG, Soulkey, Naniwa
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
December 26 2014 08:01 GMT
#233
Poll: Recommend herO vs Bbyong Game 4?

★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
 
0%

★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
 
40%

★★★- Good game (3)
 
30%

★★★★- Highly recommended game (3)
 
30%

★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
 
0%

10 total votes

Your vote: Recommend herO vs Bbyong Game 4?

(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season


Poll: Recommend herO vs Bbyong Game 5?

★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
 
14%

★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
 
57%

★★★- Good game (1)
 
14%

★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
 
0%

★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
 
14%

7 total votes

Your vote: Recommend herO vs Bbyong Game 5?

(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season

Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
December 26 2014 08:02 GMT
#234
NO DREAMS ALLOWED TODAY BBYONG sorry
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
December 26 2014 08:02 GMT
#235
On December 26 2014 16:57 Lunareste wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2014 16:53 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On December 26 2014 16:46 stuchiu wrote:
On December 26 2014 16:38 vult wrote:
On December 26 2014 16:35 stuchiu wrote:
tanks still bad.


It's not even that the tanks were bad. Bbyong never had enough air to counter colossus because herO kept sniping medivacs and vikings with the stalkers before blinking back. I really want to go back and watch that game and analyze it more. He killed 4 vikings with 6 stalkers while under fire by marauders and saved 4 of them by blinking back. It was actually immaculate.


One of the many many fundamental problems with tanks is that they're movement speed is slow. Which is fine if you're playing mech or you can set up positions if you have positional advantage, but in skirmish PvT what essentially happens is you have 4 sets of units with 4 different movement speeds.

You have the bio/bio on stim, medivacs, vikings and tanks. Theoretically a player could be able to set them up on 4 hot keys to perfectly micro each unit, but in practice (like most players) set it up on one hotkey then use the mouse to control individuals sets of units. So by including tanks into your comp microing an already hard to micro army just gets that much harder.

Combined with the tanks brittleness, lack of mobility, gas cost, supply count and need to target fire on collosus just makes tank comps not worth the effort for most players.


Additionally going bio tank is very anti-synergistic. The upgrades are split, the medivacs don't help the tanks during big battles, the bio wants to kite back while the tanks want the bio to hold the line and buffer, allowing them to shell the opponent. Getting good compositions and engagement is very difficult and sometimes not possible.

Tank play will only really be possible against Protoss if Terran gets a unit that results in Protoss wanting to kite back and maintain range as well as buffering for tanks. I think such a unit would break bio though.


Like the Vulture/Spider Mine? I'm never going to let go of it, Spider Mine would legit make Mech work in TvP again.

Although, from the LOTV matches where I've seen it, the medivac Sieged Tank pickup seems to provide a lot of options. I'm just wondering how it's going to work out when Stalkers need to Blink into the Bio to catch retreating Medivacs that are going to re-drop tanks.


I'm not sure Vulture/Spider Mine would be effective against colossi. And chargelots seem perfect to drag mines even better than BW speedlots.

As to sieged tank pick up, it seems a really hard thing to balance. It has both the potential to be deceptively bad due to anti-synergies between tanks and medivacs and outrageously broken.
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-26 08:02:30
December 26 2014 08:02 GMT
#236
On December 26 2014 16:47 pure.Wasted wrote:
Bbyong you mad genius you maniac you fantastic man you


Bbyong you mad genius you maniac you fantastic man you

INna Maru-da-FanTa, Bbaby, TY Dream that I'm Flashing you
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
December 26 2014 08:02 GMT
#237
wow SSL is on so early, it's a christmas miracle
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
December 26 2014 08:04 GMT
#238
On December 26 2014 17:02 Dodgin wrote:
wow SSL is on so early, it's a christmas miracle

extra series and they're accounting for fanta vs mk gg timings
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
December 26 2014 08:05 GMT
#239
I can't belive herO almost got his Korea win earlier this year. D:
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
December 26 2014 08:05 GMT
#240
On December 26 2014 17:04 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2014 17:02 Dodgin wrote:
wow SSL is on so early, it's a christmas miracle

extra series and they're accounting for fanta vs mk gg timings


that makes so much sense
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