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On December 26 2014 17:02 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2014 16:57 Lunareste wrote:On December 26 2014 16:53 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On December 26 2014 16:46 stuchiu wrote:On December 26 2014 16:38 vult wrote:On December 26 2014 16:35 stuchiu wrote:
tanks still bad. It's not even that the tanks were bad. Bbyong never had enough air to counter colossus because herO kept sniping medivacs and vikings with the stalkers before blinking back. I really want to go back and watch that game and analyze it more. He killed 4 vikings with 6 stalkers while under fire by marauders and saved 4 of them by blinking back. It was actually immaculate. One of the many many fundamental problems with tanks is that they're movement speed is slow. Which is fine if you're playing mech or you can set up positions if you have positional advantage, but in skirmish PvT what essentially happens is you have 4 sets of units with 4 different movement speeds. You have the bio/bio on stim, medivacs, vikings and tanks. Theoretically a player could be able to set them up on 4 hot keys to perfectly micro each unit, but in practice (like most players) set it up on one hotkey then use the mouse to control individuals sets of units. So by including tanks into your comp microing an already hard to micro army just gets that much harder. Combined with the tanks brittleness, lack of mobility, gas cost, supply count and need to target fire on collosus just makes tank comps not worth the effort for most players. Additionally going bio tank is very anti-synergistic. The upgrades are split, the medivacs don't help the tanks during big battles, the bio wants to kite back while the tanks want the bio to hold the line and buffer, allowing them to shell the opponent. Getting good compositions and engagement is very difficult and sometimes not possible. Tank play will only really be possible against Protoss if Terran gets a unit that results in Protoss wanting to kite back and maintain range as well as buffering for tanks. I think such a unit would break bio though. Like the Vulture/Spider Mine? I'm never going to let go of it, Spider Mine would legit make Mech work in TvP again. Although, from the LOTV matches where I've seen it, the medivac Sieged Tank pickup seems to provide a lot of options. I'm just wondering how it's going to work out when Stalkers need to Blink into the Bio to catch retreating Medivacs that are going to re-drop tanks. I'm not sure Vulture/Spider Mine would be effective against colossi. And chargelots seem perfect to drag mines even better than BW speedlots. As to sieged tank pick up, it seems a really hard thing to balance. It has both the potential to be deceptively bad due to anti-synergies between tanks and medivacs and outrageously broken.
True about the colossi, but also remember that they have 1 less range in LOTV than they do in HOTS.
Anyway, I really want to stay up but I have work in the morning, guess I'll watch the vods tomorrow. Goodnight Starcraft fans.
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Ok srsly have to sleep now, I just hope Fantasy-MK is a good match, and shows potential for whoever wins to go far!
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Leenock you better come through! Zerg needs you
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
MVPChoya vs FXOChoya who will win?
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The legend of S[P]OTV continues.
Meanwhile, Twitch isn't loading at all on medium, and Azubu is lagging to hell and back at 480. What is UP with tonight?
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Twitch is sweet for me on high. :s
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Letssssssssssssss go Yonghwa!
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On December 26 2014 17:15 stuchiu wrote:
MVPChoya vs FXOChoya who will win?
Protoss always wins.
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I think I've decided to root for Leenock since he's a cool player and for the sake of the zerg race.
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On December 26 2014 17:15 Circumstance wrote:
The legend of S[P]OTV continues.
Meanwhile, Twitch isn't loading at all on medium, and Azubu is lagging to hell and back at 480. What is UP with tonight?
Twitch has been playing just fine for the last couple of hours for me. Dunno what you guys are talking about
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I'm now watching on my phone because it's all that'll work. And I get the sense that Leenock losing that nat might not wind up being as big a deal as it looks.
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I have a bad feeling that Leenock will turn this deficit into a win
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
uhhh... that's an interesting answer to swarmhosts.
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Woah, I thought he was gonna go for the Alicia/sOs triple void ray style.
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On December 26 2014 17:29 Circumstance wrote:
Surprise China?
"I raise your indestructible wall of #KillNaniPassion with #MassHarrass and the #FlightOfThePhoenix"
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where'd the phoenixes go?
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
Was that carriers?
edit: Oh only one, alongside two phoenixes. A misclick no doubt.
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Haven't seen some good muta corruptor in a while, feels really nice :D
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EPT
