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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On November 03 2014 00:56 Hotshot wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 00:40 brickrd wrote:On November 03 2014 00:37 Hotshot wrote:
As someone who does not like terran, I really did not enjoy the soo vs taeja game at all.. One of the commentator was going on about how good of a game it was and it might be the best game of a the year... I just left frustration for the zerg player. He clearly had the advantage, yet all terran had to do was be careful and do some kiting and he won...
Or how he was so impressed by a simple marine drop???? Any noob can load up 8 rines and drop them...
Overall very disappointed so far. 3 mirror match in ro8... as a zerg player im going to ask you to please not comment on matchups you do not understand It does not matter if I do not 100% fully understand zvt, I understand enough to know I do not like it.
You may not like it, but saying
He clearly had the advantage, yet all terran had to do was be careful and do some kiting and he won
makes you either ignorant or just an idiot. There are so many subtleties to TvZ that you may not be able to see, but no TvZ at this level is "just kite to win", and saying so makes you look pretty stupid.
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whatttttttt soO lost??? how???
I can't believe both Zest and soO are out of Blizzcon already D:
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Canada8159 Posts
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On November 03 2014 01:11 Jer99 wrote:
TaeJa SO SICK
HE IS SO GOOD AT THIS GAME
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Northern Ireland26214 Posts
Anybody got a link to the music from this?
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Lets all hope LOTV will bring a big hit to protoss beeing almost invulnerable to early game aggression (overcharge / ms core) and bring some changes to mines and swarmhosts (remove those!). Those Games were really good but zergs could need a little help i feel.
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omg Life rekted Zest in overgrowth
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On November 03 2014 01:34 Topin wrote:
omg Life rekted Zest in overgrowth
indeed. the rektedoning was a beauty. "how does he do it" could not have been any more overstated
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On November 02 2014 20:08 sharkie wrote:
SC2 is way too young to want consistency. BW took years too to get consistent dominant players
Yah it's not like life and taeja have won 18 premier tournaments between them or anything. Typical kespa fanboys underestimating them.
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On November 02 2014 14:33 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2014 14:29 10bulgares wrote:
Am I right if I say that terran's economy is more difficult to establish in the beginning than the zerg's but that the zerg's is more difficult to maintain in the end game (keeping the creep spread, injects on a hundred bases, not getting messed up with the rally points from hatcheries all over the map)?
It looks as if zerg's player in the end game have a harder time maintaining their economy than the terrans. its not so much injects or rally points or even creep (although respreading creep is important) but just the fact that zerg needs to make certain choices with their gas that are tough to balance while maintaining a big base spread. that's why zergs prefer to defend, take an army lead and just crush with a counterattack instead of going "full macro." if you choose ultra/infestor you lose a LOT of mobility and it gets hard to defend 6+ bases. if you retain a high muta count you get weak in direct engagements, etc. etc.
It seemed indeed that gas was the issue in most of these late games but at the same time, there were a number of gas fields that were not exploited by soO. Did he not have the time to build the extractors? Not enough drones? Not enough larva?
On the creep spread part, why do you think creep spread becomes sloppy in the late game? Creep is the equivalent of scans for the zerg and is key to take the best engagements (especially important when two maxed out armies meet each other) but it seems much more difficult to handle to me (+ it doesn't reveal the mines).
It seemed to me that soO had almost no queen in the late game. Hence maybe a shortage of larvae and missing creep spread. But what makes it difficult to maintain the number of queens?
I was thinking of some possible changes to help:
- make an upgrade for creep tumors to increase their range of sight and perhaps also maybe the creep they spread.
- make the damages of the queens insensitive to upgrades (magic damage) so that it stays an OK defense unit without range upgrade and zergs don't lose too much when using some supply for queens. Perhaps also make queen target air in priority a bit like thors. I'm thinking better defense against medivac play in the late game for zergs.
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On November 03 2014 01:42 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2014 20:08 sharkie wrote:
SC2 is way too young to want consistency. BW took years too to get consistent dominant players Yah it's not like life and taeja have won 18 premier tournaments between them or anything. Typical kespa fanboys underestimating them.
1 GSL between them. Too bad LP doesn't have a category above "premier".
also the anti-kespa fanboys backpedaled so fucking hard after underestimating Classic.
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On November 03 2014 01:42 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2014 20:08 sharkie wrote:
SC2 is way too young to want consistency. BW took years too to get consistent dominant players Yah it's not like life and taeja have won 18 premier tournaments between them or anything. Typical kespa fanboys underestimating them.
Not to mention the environment is much different now. Those "years" of bw include a period where people didn't know how to macro, tons of strategies were still undiscovered, among other things. Games these days develop and get figured out significantly faster than they use to.
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Missed the live broadcast and watching vods now. Seen some good games already, but I hope they didn't cut the matches so neatly. Kinda ruins the mood when the vod ends in "gee g-" with no reactions from players or even hearing the last sentence from the caster. 
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On November 03 2014 02:53 Zenbrez wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 01:42 Dodgin wrote:On November 02 2014 20:08 sharkie wrote:
SC2 is way too young to want consistency. BW took years too to get consistent dominant players Yah it's not like life and taeja have won 18 premier tournaments between them or anything. Typical kespa fanboys underestimating them. Not to mention the environment is much different now. Those "years" of bw include a period where people didn't know how to macro, tons of strategies were still undiscovered, among other things. Games these days develop and get figured out significantly faster than they use to.
there hasn't been a consistent #1 since Mvp, Life came close, Zest came close, soO would have been more dominant than Mvp if he had won even 3 of his 4 finals, but he won 0 and lost in Blizzcon Ro16, so here we are.
the thing is, this happened in BW too, for a long time there was no consistent best player among Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, and Stork.
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On November 03 2014 02:49 Cheren wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 01:42 Dodgin wrote:On November 02 2014 20:08 sharkie wrote:
SC2 is way too young to want consistency. BW took years too to get consistent dominant players Yah it's not like life and taeja have won 18 premier tournaments between them or anything. Typical kespa fanboys underestimating them. 1 GSL between them. Too bad LP doesn't have a category above "premier". also the anti-kespa fanboys backpedaled so fucking hard after underestimating Classic.
I love how salty people is after Zest and soO got out the tournament.
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On November 03 2014 02:49 Cheren wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 01:42 Dodgin wrote:On November 02 2014 20:08 sharkie wrote:
SC2 is way too young to want consistency. BW took years too to get consistent dominant players Yah it's not like life and taeja have won 18 premier tournaments between them or anything. Typical kespa fanboys underestimating them. 1 GSL between them. Too bad LP doesn't have a category above "premier". also the anti-kespa fanboys backpedaled so fucking hard after underestimating Classic.
I think everyone underestimated Classic. He played a lot better than his preview article suggested he would.
Who cares about the number of GSL's when Zest hasn't won any of the foreign events he's went to, It's a different kind of skill. One that should be equally respected when It's repeated so many times over. Zest won GSL, GSL Global and Kespa cup, but wasn't able to win any of the 3 IEM events he went to(which should be easier, right?).
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wtf is this new twitch interface? how do you access vods?
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On November 03 2014 02:49 Cheren wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 01:42 Dodgin wrote:On November 02 2014 20:08 sharkie wrote:
SC2 is way too young to want consistency. BW took years too to get consistent dominant players Yah it's not like life and taeja have won 18 premier tournaments between them or anything. Typical kespa fanboys underestimating them. 1 GSL between them. Too bad LP doesn't have a category above "premier". also the anti-kespa fanboys backpedaled so fucking hard after underestimating Classic.
2 GSLs, I'm counting Blizzard cup
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United States15275 Posts
On November 03 2014 03:01 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 02:49 Cheren wrote:On November 03 2014 01:42 Dodgin wrote:On November 02 2014 20:08 sharkie wrote:
SC2 is way too young to want consistency. BW took years too to get consistent dominant players Yah it's not like life and taeja have won 18 premier tournaments between them or anything. Typical kespa fanboys underestimating them. 1 GSL between them. Too bad LP doesn't have a category above "premier". also the anti-kespa fanboys backpedaled so fucking hard after underestimating Classic. I think everyone underestimated Classic. He played a lot better than his preview article suggested he would. Who cares about the number of GSL's when Zest hasn't won any of the foreign events he's went to, It's a different kind of skill. One that should be equally respected when It's repeated so many times over. Zest won GSL, GSL Global and Kespa cup, but wasn't able to win any of the 3 IEM events he went to(which should be easier, right?).
I don't know many people who thought Polt was the clear favorite. At best he would've won 3-2. Classic is a very good player with the misfortune of winning GSL when protoss were winning everywhere else.
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On November 02 2014 14:05 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2014 14:01 liberate71 wrote:On November 02 2014 14:00 Scarecrow wrote:On November 02 2014 13:59 Thrillz wrote:
Relatively speaking soO has not exceeded NesTea lmao. Just Artosis trying to hype things up as usual/ Relatively speaking, NesTea got his titles vs inferior players. NesTea's mechanics are a joke compared to soO, there's a reason he became irrelevant once the maps got bigger. Relatively speaking, NesTea has titles For all they're worth, as soO the 0 title winner is demonstrating against Taeja the 11 premier title champion. A title gives you bragging rights, it doesn't give you skill.
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