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Austria24420 Posts
On July 22 2014 21:03 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 21:01 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 22 2014 20:59 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:56 Heartland wrote:On July 22 2014 20:56 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:54 Undead1993 wrote:On July 22 2014 20:51 TheDwf wrote:
I don't like PvP but this kind of game is perfect for the decisive game of a bo7. Now can someone explain me the point of herO's fast expand? he forces rain to be agressive. he knows everything he has to do is to defend this nexus and he has this game pretty much because he has double probe production. rain knew it as well, he went to kill the nexus, realised it's not going to happen and his last possibility was the dark shrine, which won him the game Surely Rain could have expanded as well given how early the Nexus was built and scouted? Yeah, but once you're set on your path of tech then you usually don't deviate Yeah, I mean before the Council; unless my memory fails me Rain's Probe scouted the Nexus, then he decided to go Council to all-in. That's what I don't understand with herO's decision to fast expand, to me it seems it gives Rain two options: a) reactively expand himself for an even game; b) reactively all-in with the tech of his choice. The thing with fast expand PvPs is that you always get tech behind it really fast. So it forces the opponent to either take a slightly behind spot (tech won't be far ahead, expand will be behind) or all in where, even if they kill the nexus, the game doesn't necessarily end. They might not even be ahead if they kill the nexus. This doesn't make sense. The one pulling an all in has more probes, faster tech and more units and the fast expander has lost 400 minerals
The probe count is usually quite even because the all inner cuts probe production. Tech is NOT much faster as you saw this game. herO's blink finished only slightly after Rain's and his unit count was even as well. And, of course, he's got defender's advantage with overcharge.
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Still a good showing from CJ I think.
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Bisutopia19276 Posts
On July 22 2014 21:07 Lorning wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 21:06 BisuDagger wrote:On July 22 2014 21:03 Lunareste wrote:On July 22 2014 21:02 BisuDagger wrote:
When mech gets a buff in LoTV and hellions/hellbats get the vulture transformation and spider mine upgrade, then Fantasy will be the second best terran again. Fixed that for you Breaks my heart to type that... Some of you SKT fans are breaking my heart. This is the latest elo ranking for SC1. Flash isn't even top two. What a scrub. + Show Spoiler + That Flash peak tho
Yeah peaked right into double loss to Bisu and Fantasy in the greatest PL finals of all time. I'm still smiling from it.
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On July 22 2014 21:08 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 21:07 Lorning wrote:On July 22 2014 21:06 BisuDagger wrote:On July 22 2014 21:03 Lunareste wrote:On July 22 2014 21:02 BisuDagger wrote:
When mech gets a buff in LoTV and hellions/hellbats get the vulture transformation and spider mine upgrade, then Fantasy will be the second best terran again. Fixed that for you Breaks my heart to type that... Some of you SKT fans are breaking my heart. This is the latest elo ranking for SC1. Flash isn't even top two. What a scrub. + Show Spoiler + That Flash peak tho Yeah peaked right into double loss to Bisu and Fantasy in the greatest PL finals of all time. I'm still smiling from it.
Soon we will see Zealots gut Flash in the ace again : )
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On July 22 2014 20:53 BisuDagger wrote:
RAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SK Telecom to the finals baby!!!!!!!
Yeah, Rain too good, he is the only player in these three nights to not lose a game he went 4-0, best player on SKT confirmed.
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Yeah, good showing for CJ. They have a lot of character in their team
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Damn bw nostalgia hit me seeing canata and oov together with all the fangirls screeming.
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Belgica34432 Posts
On July 22 2014 21:08 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 21:07 Lorning wrote:On July 22 2014 21:06 BisuDagger wrote:On July 22 2014 21:03 Lunareste wrote:On July 22 2014 21:02 BisuDagger wrote:
When mech gets a buff in LoTV and hellions/hellbats get the vulture transformation and spider mine upgrade, then Fantasy will be the second best terran again. Fixed that for you Breaks my heart to type that... Some of you SKT fans are breaking my heart. This is the latest elo ranking for SC1. Flash isn't even top two. What a scrub. + Show Spoiler + That Flash peak tho Yeah peaked right into double loss to Bisu and Fantasy in the greatest PL finals of all time. I'm still smiling from it.
Oh god, he was so sad after that TT
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Allright, there is always next year from CJ. With effort on top from the get go and bunny as well they could really get an awesome year.
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Bisutopia19276 Posts
On July 22 2014 21:08 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 21:08 BisuDagger wrote:On July 22 2014 21:07 Lorning wrote:On July 22 2014 21:06 BisuDagger wrote:On July 22 2014 21:03 Lunareste wrote:On July 22 2014 21:02 BisuDagger wrote:
When mech gets a buff in LoTV and hellions/hellbats get the vulture transformation and spider mine upgrade, then Fantasy will be the second best terran again. Fixed that for you Breaks my heart to type that... Some of you SKT fans are breaking my heart. This is the latest elo ranking for SC1. Flash isn't even top two. What a scrub. + Show Spoiler + That Flash peak tho Yeah peaked right into double loss to Bisu and Fantasy in the greatest PL finals of all time. I'm still smiling from it. Soon we will see Zealots gut Flash in the ace again : )
Indeed. Happy Zealot club ho!
On July 22 2014 21:08 MiniFotToss wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:53 BisuDagger wrote:
RAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SK Telecom to the finals baby!!!!!!! Yeah, Rain too good, he is the only player in these three nights to not lose a game he went 4-0, best player on SKT confirmed.
I gotta say, Rain has finally beaten his playoffs curse. It's good to see.
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Bisutopia19276 Posts
On July 22 2014 21:10 wl4d wrote:
Allright, there is always next year from CJ. With effort on top from the get go and bunny as well they could really get an awesome year.
Gotta give major credit to Coach Park too. He did that much with a team that doesn't have quite the star power of SKT1 when he was there. It's very impressive.
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On July 22 2014 21:07 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 21:03 sharkie wrote:On July 22 2014 21:01 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 22 2014 20:59 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:56 Heartland wrote:On July 22 2014 20:56 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:54 Undead1993 wrote:On July 22 2014 20:51 TheDwf wrote:
I don't like PvP but this kind of game is perfect for the decisive game of a bo7. Now can someone explain me the point of herO's fast expand? he forces rain to be agressive. he knows everything he has to do is to defend this nexus and he has this game pretty much because he has double probe production. rain knew it as well, he went to kill the nexus, realised it's not going to happen and his last possibility was the dark shrine, which won him the game Surely Rain could have expanded as well given how early the Nexus was built and scouted? Yeah, but once you're set on your path of tech then you usually don't deviate Yeah, I mean before the Council; unless my memory fails me Rain's Probe scouted the Nexus, then he decided to go Council to all-in. That's what I don't understand with herO's decision to fast expand, to me it seems it gives Rain two options: a) reactively expand himself for an even game; b) reactively all-in with the tech of his choice. The thing with fast expand PvPs is that you always get tech behind it really fast. So it forces the opponent to either take a slightly behind spot (tech won't be far ahead, expand will be behind) or all in where, even if they kill the nexus, the game doesn't necessarily end. They might not even be ahead if they kill the nexus. This doesn't make sense. The one pulling an all in has more probes, faster tech and more units and the fast expander has lost 400 minerals The probe count is usually quite even because the all inner cuts probe production. Tech is NOT much faster as you saw this game. herO's blink finished only slightly after Rain's and his unit count was even as well. And, of course, he's got defender's advantage with overcharge.
The unit count isn't even.
Rain was building a dt shrine, lost his msc and still won a fight with DAMAGED stalkers outside herO's natural...
The last fight before the dt warpin shows all thats wrong with fast expands...
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Man what a close series, 3 days with several heart-breaking moments
Glad Rain made it through, but CJ was still so close
Wonder why they were lacking of manner lately? for more intense??
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On July 22 2014 21:07 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 21:05 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 21:03 sharkie wrote:On July 22 2014 21:01 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 22 2014 20:59 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:56 Heartland wrote:On July 22 2014 20:56 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:54 Undead1993 wrote:On July 22 2014 20:51 TheDwf wrote:
I don't like PvP but this kind of game is perfect for the decisive game of a bo7. Now can someone explain me the point of herO's fast expand? he forces rain to be agressive. he knows everything he has to do is to defend this nexus and he has this game pretty much because he has double probe production. rain knew it as well, he went to kill the nexus, realised it's not going to happen and his last possibility was the dark shrine, which won him the game Surely Rain could have expanded as well given how early the Nexus was built and scouted? Yeah, but once you're set on your path of tech then you usually don't deviate Yeah, I mean before the Council; unless my memory fails me Rain's Probe scouted the Nexus, then he decided to go Council to all-in. That's what I don't understand with herO's decision to fast expand, to me it seems it gives Rain two options: a) reactively expand himself for an even game; b) reactively all-in with the tech of his choice. The thing with fast expand PvPs is that you always get tech behind it really fast. So it forces the opponent to either take a slightly behind spot (tech won't be far ahead, expand will be behind) or all in where, even if they kill the nexus, the game doesn't necessarily end. They might not even be ahead if they kill the nexus. This doesn't make sense. The one pulling an all in has more probes, faster tech and more units and the fast expander has lost 400 minerals Probe count was 25 to 22 in Rain's favor but herO had as many units. Rain lost a msc, built a dt shrine (meaning no time warps, no NO, less resources to spend on stalkers) and still won the fight outside herO's natural...
#micro
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On July 22 2014 21:12 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 21:07 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 22 2014 21:03 sharkie wrote:On July 22 2014 21:01 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 22 2014 20:59 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:56 Heartland wrote:On July 22 2014 20:56 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:54 Undead1993 wrote:On July 22 2014 20:51 TheDwf wrote:
I don't like PvP but this kind of game is perfect for the decisive game of a bo7. Now can someone explain me the point of herO's fast expand? he forces rain to be agressive. he knows everything he has to do is to defend this nexus and he has this game pretty much because he has double probe production. rain knew it as well, he went to kill the nexus, realised it's not going to happen and his last possibility was the dark shrine, which won him the game Surely Rain could have expanded as well given how early the Nexus was built and scouted? Yeah, but once you're set on your path of tech then you usually don't deviate Yeah, I mean before the Council; unless my memory fails me Rain's Probe scouted the Nexus, then he decided to go Council to all-in. That's what I don't understand with herO's decision to fast expand, to me it seems it gives Rain two options: a) reactively expand himself for an even game; b) reactively all-in with the tech of his choice. The thing with fast expand PvPs is that you always get tech behind it really fast. So it forces the opponent to either take a slightly behind spot (tech won't be far ahead, expand will be behind) or all in where, even if they kill the nexus, the game doesn't necessarily end. They might not even be ahead if they kill the nexus. This doesn't make sense. The one pulling an all in has more probes, faster tech and more units and the fast expander has lost 400 minerals The probe count is usually quite even because the all inner cuts probe production. Tech is NOT much faster as you saw this game. herO's blink finished only slightly after Rain's and his unit count was even as well. And, of course, he's got defender's advantage with overcharge. The unit count isn't even. Rain was building a dt shrine, lost his msc and still won a fight with DAMAGED stalkers outside herO's natural... The last fight before the dt warpin shows all thats wrong with fast expands...
From memory Rain built the Dark shrine after a 3 Stalkers warp-in, which means he could not have spent the extra gas without extra production anyway. He didn't rebuild his MSC either.
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On July 22 2014 19:10 BisuDagger wrote
I gotta say, Rain has finally beaten his playoffs curse. It's good to see.
Oh I thought during the old broodwar time Rain had been unbeaten in playoffs
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Austria24420 Posts
On July 22 2014 21:12 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 21:07 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 22 2014 21:03 sharkie wrote:On July 22 2014 21:01 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 22 2014 20:59 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:56 Heartland wrote:On July 22 2014 20:56 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:54 Undead1993 wrote:On July 22 2014 20:51 TheDwf wrote:
I don't like PvP but this kind of game is perfect for the decisive game of a bo7. Now can someone explain me the point of herO's fast expand? he forces rain to be agressive. he knows everything he has to do is to defend this nexus and he has this game pretty much because he has double probe production. rain knew it as well, he went to kill the nexus, realised it's not going to happen and his last possibility was the dark shrine, which won him the game Surely Rain could have expanded as well given how early the Nexus was built and scouted? Yeah, but once you're set on your path of tech then you usually don't deviate Yeah, I mean before the Council; unless my memory fails me Rain's Probe scouted the Nexus, then he decided to go Council to all-in. That's what I don't understand with herO's decision to fast expand, to me it seems it gives Rain two options: a) reactively expand himself for an even game; b) reactively all-in with the tech of his choice. The thing with fast expand PvPs is that you always get tech behind it really fast. So it forces the opponent to either take a slightly behind spot (tech won't be far ahead, expand will be behind) or all in where, even if they kill the nexus, the game doesn't necessarily end. They might not even be ahead if they kill the nexus. This doesn't make sense. The one pulling an all in has more probes, faster tech and more units and the fast expander has lost 400 minerals The probe count is usually quite even because the all inner cuts probe production. Tech is NOT much faster as you saw this game. herO's blink finished only slightly after Rain's and his unit count was even as well. And, of course, he's got defender's advantage with overcharge. The unit count isn't even. Rain was building a dt shrine, lost his msc and still won a fight with DAMAGED stalkers outside herO's natural... The last fight before the dt warpin shows all thats wrong with fast expands...
On July 22 2014 20:51 Pandemona wrote:
11 vs 11 stalkers
DARK SHRINE COMPLETES!!
ROBO STARTS AS DT WARPED IN
herO cancelled his robo because he thought he needed more units, then got supply blocked when it mattered most. Had he made the right calls, he would've won the game.
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Bisutopia19276 Posts
On July 22 2014 21:15 Kurte_Idumin wrote:Oh I thought during the old broodwar time Rain had been unbeaten in playoffs
Since hybrid proleague, rain has had one of the worst playoff records for SKT. This year he shows his growth!
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Jin air vs KT rosters will be revealed on Friday
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