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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
Poll: Who Wins?!SKT T1 (20) 74% CJ Entus (7) 26% 27 total votes Your vote: Who Wins?! (Vote): SKT T1
(Vote): CJ Entus
Poll: Most Anticipated Match?Rain vs Bbyong (on outboxer) (27) 66% PartinG vs herO (8) 20% Soulkey vs EffOrt (3) 7% soO vs Hydra (2) 5% Dark vs Hush (1) 2% Classic vs Sora (0) 0% 41 total votes Your vote: Most Anticipated Match? (Vote): Dark vs Hush
(Vote): Classic vs Sora
(Vote): soO vs Hydra
(Vote): Rain vs Bbyong (on outboxer)
(Vote): PartinG vs herO
(Vote): Soulkey vs EffOrt
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
If Bbyong mechs again, Coach Park should fire him from CJ and send him to kespa jail
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On July 22 2014 05:47 Lorning wrote:
If Bbyong mechs again, Coach Park should fire him from CJ and send him to kespa jail
Why? 2-1 is a good score
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United States97276 Posts
Maru even said that mech wasn't that bad vs Protoss. Bbyong clearly agrees. Make sense since they are the two best terrans in korea
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Please CJ let's do this. Finals!
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
On July 22 2014 05:53 Shellshock wrote:
Maru even said that mech wasn't that bad vs Protoss. Bbyong clearly agrees. Make sense since they are the two best terrans in korea
Oh you still post in SC2....nice to see you afkbot
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On July 22 2014 05:51 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 05:47 Lorning wrote:
If Bbyong mechs again, Coach Park should fire him from CJ and send him to kespa jail Why? 2-1 is a good score
Because Rain is going to expect it and crush it
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On July 22 2014 05:59 Lorning wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 05:51 Zealously wrote:On July 22 2014 05:47 Lorning wrote:
If Bbyong mechs again, Coach Park should fire him from CJ and send him to kespa jail Why? 2-1 is a good score Because Rain is going to expect it and crush it
Rain is going to crush Bbyong no matter what he does, you can blame mech if you want though  .
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CJ fighting! Bit sad they didnt send bunny again on Merry Go Round though. I really hope CJ pulls off the upset. Oh and bring on the mech Bbyong!
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United States97276 Posts
On July 22 2014 05:55 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 05:53 Shellshock wrote:
Maru even said that mech wasn't that bad vs Protoss. Bbyong clearly agrees. Make sense since they are the two best terrans in korea Oh you still post in SC2....nice to see you afkbot
I LRed the other day and got a shoutout from Wolf on GSL stream. #rekt
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It is an obvious win for SKT T1
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On July 22 2014 06:46 Gritsc2 wrote:
It is an obvious win for SKT T1
Yep, that's what everyone expects.
Like Day 1.
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How much will Wolf hit on Sojung today?
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Dark < Bong
Classic > Sora
soO > Hydra
Rain < Bbyong
PartinG < herO
Soulkey > EffOrt
Soulkey < EffOrt
I messed up my LB for this one; I meant to vote for SKT's triumph, but so far it's worked out nicely. Now CJ needs to win this, I believe!
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Bisutopia19213 Posts
On July 22 2014 07:12 RHoudini wrote:Yep, that's what everyone expects. Like Day 1.
Rofl. SK Telecom CEOs actually tell T1 to make the series interesting so PL will get more views and Coach park won't have too be embarrassed after his losses. That's caring baby. All hail the holy kingdom. May Bisu bless SKT!
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On July 22 2014 08:32 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 07:12 RHoudini wrote:On July 22 2014 06:46 Gritsc2 wrote:
It is an obvious win for SKT T1 Yep, that's what everyone expects. Like Day 1. Rofl. SK Telecom CEOs actually tell T1 to make the series interesting so PL will get more views and Coach park won't have too be embarrassed after his losses. That's caring baby. All hail the holy kingdom. May Bisu bless SKT!
Bisu's gonna be so sad when SKT gets crushed by KT in the finals 
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bisu is actually going to come out from the crowd for the ace match. he'll make nothing but sentries and one warp prism
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FOR GODS SAKE CJ, SEND OUT GUMIHO!
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On July 22 2014 10:47 dragonpaw49 wrote:
FOR GODS SAKE CJ, SEND OUT GUMIHO!
I bet they're saving him for ace.
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Dark>Hush
Classic<Sora
soO<Hydra
Rain<Bbyong
Parting<herO
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Bisutopia19213 Posts
On July 22 2014 10:38 negativedge wrote:
bisu is actually going to come out from the crowd for the ace match. he'll make nothing but sentries and one warp prism
Don't tease me like that.
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I can actually see SKT 4-0 or 4-1ing this one :|
...as with all skt games
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Gogogogo SKT!
Dark < Hush
Classic > Sora
Soo > Hydra
Rain > BByong
Parting < Hero
Soulkey > Effort
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On July 22 2014 11:53 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 10:38 negativedge wrote:
bisu is actually going to come out from the crowd for the ace match. he'll make nothing but sentries and one warp prism Don't tease me like that.
Nothing but sentry dt phoenix and zealots.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
If Bisu had sentries in BW he would never lose
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These matchups are actually not bad for CJ; the three weaker players of the six they're sending out (Hydra, EffOrt and Sora) all get to play mirror matches to potentially take down SKT's superstars. If they get 2 out of 3 and either Bbyong or herO comes through we've got another ace match and then who knows...
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What's the Over/Under of Bbyong going Mech on Outboxer... again?
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oh my god Sora s playing; a PvP! Go Sora my boy!!! Go CJ!
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Please CJ. Let's go to finals!!
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Dark>Hush
Classic<Sora
soO>Hydra
Rain>Bbyong
Parting(<)herO
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Fantasy vs Gumiho ace match, calling it now.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
On July 22 2014 06:24 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 05:55 Pandemona wrote:On July 22 2014 05:53 Shellshock wrote:
Maru even said that mech wasn't that bad vs Protoss. Bbyong clearly agrees. Make sense since they are the two best terrans in korea Oh you still post in SC2....nice to see you afkbot I LRed the other day and got a shoutout from Wolf on GSL stream. #rekt
Wow your so Hollywood bot now jeez. Someone get this guy a floozie bot xD
<3
Also Twitch having "site issues" hope isn't going be an issue for when Pro League is on 
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Raaaaaaaainnnn!!! master of universe!!!! of defense and making the game look unfair, pleaseee do it vs Mech lewl
Edit: THANKS TL for reminding me that today is my birthday!!!, rain will win on my birthday, much honor, wow
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Russian Federation145 Posts
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On July 22 2014 06:24 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 05:55 Pandemona wrote:On July 22 2014 05:53 Shellshock wrote:
Maru even said that mech wasn't that bad vs Protoss. Bbyong clearly agrees. Make sense since they are the two best terrans in korea Oh you still post in SC2....nice to see you afkbot I LRed the other day and got a shoutout from Wolf on GSL stream. #rekt
He's hitting on you to?
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I'm a bit confused... where not the other 2 series all-kill format? Has it changed now for the final series?
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it's only ONE bo7 consisting of bo1s for the finals?!? -.-
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On July 22 2014 17:51 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 06:24 Shellshock wrote:On July 22 2014 05:55 Pandemona wrote:On July 22 2014 05:53 Shellshock wrote:
Maru even said that mech wasn't that bad vs Protoss. Bbyong clearly agrees. Make sense since they are the two best terrans in korea Oh you still post in SC2....nice to see you afkbot I LRed the other day and got a shoutout from Wolf on GSL stream. #rekt He's hitting on you to?
So Shellshock = Sojung?
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Come on, come on, come on SK Telecom
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Austria24417 Posts
Rain vs Bbyong should be so sick.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
On July 22 2014 18:06 noobPride wrote:
I'm a bit confused... where not the other 2 series all-kill format? Has it changed now for the final series?
Game 1 = Pro League format
Game 2 = All Kill format
Game 3 (if needed) = Pro League format
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no kt best kt, gogo cj and jin air
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Hope Jin Air vs KT goes all 3 matches too. The more Zest, Flash, sOs and Maru we get to see the better :D
Interesting they decide to send out Sora, must have some snipe build prepared!
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
Oh my gosh the quality is terrible or is it me lol?
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On July 22 2014 18:31 Pandemona wrote:
Oh my gosh the quality is terrible or is it me lol?
Yeah, the quality isn't very good at the moment.
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On July 22 2014 18:09 McRatyn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 17:51 Penev wrote:On July 22 2014 06:24 Shellshock wrote:On July 22 2014 05:55 Pandemona wrote:On July 22 2014 05:53 Shellshock wrote:
Maru even said that mech wasn't that bad vs Protoss. Bbyong clearly agrees. Make sense since they are the two best terrans in korea Oh you still post in SC2....nice to see you afkbot I LRed the other day and got a shoutout from Wolf on GSL stream. #rekt He's hitting on you to? So Shellshock = Sojung?
If so, Shellshock's pretty..
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On July 22 2014 18:19 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 18:06 noobPride wrote:
I'm a bit confused... where not the other 2 series all-kill format? Has it changed now for the final series? Game 1 = Pro League format Game 2 = All Kill format Game 3 (if needed) = Pro League format
Thanks, now it makes sense
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On July 22 2014 18:08 stevorino wrote:
it's only ONE bo7 consisting of bo1s for the finals?!? -.-
Yes. It's insanely exciting
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
Lorning asleep RIP.
I'll do a recap if i can xD
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Wth? rain delays public transport so much in Seoul?
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On July 22 2014 18:35 ilikeredheads wrote:
wtf where's sojung?????
Wolf probably scared her off
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the sound quality is terrible
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Awww no Sojung?
Where will I get my fill of eSports love and drama and cuteness now?
What is my life becoming that Starcraft is now my source of all these things...
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Only 3k ppl watching? : O
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These lings are doing a ton of damage
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
Poll: Recommend Dark vs HushMeh Game (12) 57% Excellent Game (4) 19% Bad Game (3) 14% Good Game (2) 10% 21 total votes Your vote: Recommend Dark vs Hush (Vote): Excellent Game
(Vote): Good Game
(Vote): Meh Game
(Vote): Bad Game
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Wow Hush just let the nat die? :s
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Fuuuuuuuuck. I feel so bad for him. Those kind of losses hurt badly enough on ladder.
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I told you, I will be surprised if CJ wins a single game ^^
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?? why didn't he use the canon lol
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
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Oh my god
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Austria24417 Posts
Well, interesting? I guess.
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On July 22 2014 18:40 liberate71 wrote:Wolf probably scared her off
Probably went allin too early, dammit Wolf.
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No sojung
No GG girls
why am i even watching?????
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
On July 22 2014 18:43 Pandemona wrote:Poll: Recommend Dark vs HushMeh Game (12) 57% Excellent Game (4) 19% Bad Game (3) 14% Good Game (2) 10% 21 total votes Your vote: Recommend Dark vs Hush (Vote): Excellent Game
(Vote): Good Game
(Vote): Meh Game
(Vote): Bad Game
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blind nexus first, no wall, gateway follow.
glad someone is willing to punish it
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Austria24417 Posts
Honestly, Hush should've just overcharged the natural the second he had enough energy. Had enough units in the main to defend the lings.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
On July 22 2014 18:44 ilikeredheads wrote:
No sojung
No GG girls
why am i even watching?????
SKT players pretty hot tbh...xD
Bbyongjwa also pretty hot 
#ESPORTS
#NOHOMO
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On July 22 2014 18:44 Thrillz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 18:40 liberate71 wrote:On July 22 2014 18:35 ilikeredheads wrote:
wtf where's sojung????? Wolf probably scared her off Probably went allin too early, dammit Wolf.
Go big or home.
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On July 22 2014 18:44 ilikeredheads wrote:
No sojung
No GG girls
why am i even watching?????
I resolve to open her instagram and put it next to the monitor
(no Im not a stalker)
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On July 22 2014 18:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Honestly, Hush should've just overcharged the natural the second he had enough energy. Had enough units in the main to defend the lings.
He completely freaked out, don't think he realized PO is a thing
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On July 22 2014 18:45 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 18:44 ilikeredheads wrote:
No sojung
No GG girls
why am i even watching????? SKT players pretty hot tbh...xD Bbyongjwa also pretty hot #ESPORTS #NOHOMO
And hero
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On July 22 2014 18:44 ilikeredheads wrote:
No sojung
No GG girls
why am i even watching?????
Dont worry we still have the dota girl commercial.
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If Hush had pulled probes and used his units to try and hold his ramp along with the nex cannon I think he could have held
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
On July 22 2014 18:46 Heartland wrote:
If Hush had pulled probes and used his units to try and hold his ramp along with the nex cannon I think he could have held
Yeah for me, he didn't react properly but also on top of that it was a build order loss for me.
Nexus first vs speedling opener? Then his 1st pylon was in his main. No chance for me xD
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yea. as soon as the ling went for the natural. 2 zealot wall off. overcharge on nat. collect win
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On July 22 2014 18:47 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 18:46 Heartland wrote:
If Hush had pulled probes and used his units to try and hold his ramp along with the nex cannon I think he could have held Yeah for me, he didn't react properly but also on top of that it was a build order loss for me. Nexus first vs speedling opener? Then his 1st pylon was in his main. No chance for me xD
Yeah, of course. You're basically dead when it happens
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all zergs opening gas first for the next week on ladder
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Damn, that "CJ fighting" cheer was depressing :/
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Time for Sora to kill the fake Terran!
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what are these cj tosses doing
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Too many mirrors
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On July 22 2014 18:44 ilikeredheads wrote:
No sojung
No GG girls
why am i even watching?????
Now you got me worried; Has anyone seen Barbie yet!?
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I feel like whoever goes for the Templar Archives first will have a very nice edge.
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How the hell did Classic end up 7 workers ahead?
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
This isn't too bad for Sora
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
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On July 22 2014 18:54 Exarl25 wrote:
How the hell did Classic end up 7 workers ahead?
Not sure, but probably he suspected an attack and cut probes
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That Sentry is the most important thing
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Sora still sucks in PvP. :/
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Sora too greedy, still trying to get ranged colosi after seeing that :s
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
Poll: Recommend Classic vs SoraMeh Game (10) 63% Good Game (5) 31% Excellent Game (1) 6% Bad Game (0) 0% 16 total votes Your vote: Recommend Classic vs Sora (Vote): Excellent Game
(Vote): Good Game
(Vote): Meh Game
(Vote): Bad Game
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Ah, Phoenix PvP. Such a knife's edge of tech switching
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United Kingdom10443 Posts
Ah good old Starcraft 2
Overdosed on Dota but i'm back to the one true love.
Damn protoss though
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On July 22 2014 18:54 Zealously wrote:
This isn't too bad for Sora
Sora never had an advantage...
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CJ getting annihilated...
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
Aaaaaaaand that's that D:
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well this really wasn't too bad for sora, i expected waaay worse.
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Did I just see Sora's immortals shoot down his own gateway?
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
On July 22 2014 18:58 Pandemona wrote:Poll: Recommend Classic vs SoraMeh Game (10) 63% Good Game (5) 31% Excellent Game (1) 6% Bad Game (0) 0% 16 total votes Your vote: Recommend Classic vs Sora (Vote): Excellent Game
(Vote): Good Game
(Vote): Meh Game
(Vote): Bad Game
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On July 22 2014 18:59 sharkie wrote:Sora never had an advantage...
I think you may have mixed up "not bad" with "good". If Sora had caught Classic's phoenixes out and not wasted double overcharge, Classic's attack wouldn't have broken him
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On July 22 2014 18:59 ramask2 wrote:
Did I just see Sora's immortals shoot down his own gateway?
Sure did.
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On July 22 2014 18:45 Arceus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 18:44 ilikeredheads wrote:
No sojung
No GG girls
why am i even watching????? I resolve to open her instagram and put it next to the monitor (no Im not a stalker)
ESTALKER!
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This looks good for SKT thus far.
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On July 22 2014 19:02 Destructicon wrote:
This looks good for SKT thus far.
Happy birthday, dude!
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
Yo Hydra this is MSL and you are facing Great
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On July 22 2014 19:02 Destructicon wrote:
This looks good for SKT thus far.
Happy birthday : )
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Hehe, thank you, just dinged 26.
Hoping for SKT to make it just so they can lose in the final to their long time rival KT, would be a good birthday gift
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Italy12246 Posts
On July 22 2014 19:00 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 18:59 sharkie wrote:On July 22 2014 18:54 Zealously wrote:
This isn't too bad for Sora Sora never had an advantage... I think you may have mixed up "not bad" with "good". If Sora had caught Classic's phoenixes out and not wasted double overcharge, Classic's attack wouldn't have broken him
I'm not so sure. I feel like once you commit to extra phoenixes as well as beacon+range, while the other guy goes twilight council unpunished, you just kind of die regardless. Sora just decided to never ever scout Classic, and Classic's gamble of starting his twilight council before sending his obs across the map payed off.
Of course, Wolf didn't notice any of this :/
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On July 22 2014 19:07 Destructicon wrote:Hehe, thank you, just dinged 26. Hoping for SKT to make it just so they can lose in the final to their long time rival KT, would be a good birthday gift
I like your line of thinking. :D
Enjoy the Birthday!
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zerglings 2 v 2 play of the day
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
Hydra please channel days 1 and 2
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And 3-0 coming up
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On July 22 2014 19:02 Thrillz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 18:45 Arceus wrote:On July 22 2014 18:44 ilikeredheads wrote:
No sojung
No GG girls
why am i even watching????? I resolve to open her instagram and put it next to the monitor (no Im not a stalker) ESTALKER!
it's only for "research" purposes........
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Perfect timing by soO there.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On July 22 2014 19:11 sharkie wrote:And 3-0 coming up
Dude
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Hydra please don't lose, I still want this to reach the ace.
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That was a soOperb defense.
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Hydra is done. Too far behind, not to mention his late game curse...
As i say this is looks like he's gonna win? :/
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oh my god, thats an upset o.O
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
Poll: Recommend soO vs HydraMeh Game (6) 43% Good Game (4) 29% Excellent Game (2) 14% Bad Game (2) 14% 14 total votes Your vote: Recommend soO vs Hydra (Vote): Excellent Game
(Vote): Good Game
(Vote): Meh Game
(Vote): Bad Game
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lol, I can't believe he won that one. :D
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HAHAHAHAHA. HYDRA!!!!!!!!
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On July 22 2014 19:11 sharkie wrote:And 3-0 coming up
GET OUT OF HERE WEAK-MINDED FAN
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That's not supposed to happen! :D
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On July 22 2014 19:11 sharkie wrote:And 3-0 coming up
I dunno what vodoo u used but... -_-
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when behind. stick to the same strat and win?
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Turns out Hydra is pretty good
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On July 22 2014 18:43 sharkie wrote:
I told you, I will be surprised if CJ wins a single game ^^
thanks for telling us
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On July 22 2014 19:13 sharkie wrote:
oh my god, thats an upset o.O
Nice CJ fan.
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hydra has done so well for CJ in the play-offs. Taking down Soulkey and now soO. Great stuff.
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miraculous turn-around by Hydra O_O
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stop giving player nick name wolf you're not good at it
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On July 22 2014 19:13 Phredxor wrote:
Hydra is done. Too far behind, not to mention his late game curse...
As i say this is looks like he's gonna win? :/
You counter - cursed him!
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
On July 22 2014 19:14 Pandemona wrote:Poll: Recommend soO vs HydraMeh Game (6) 43% Good Game (4) 29% Excellent Game (2) 14% Bad Game (2) 14% 14 total votes Your vote: Recommend soO vs Hydra (Vote): Excellent Game
(Vote): Good Game
(Vote): Meh Game
(Vote): Bad Game
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Hydra smart enough to know that he needs to end it in the mid game.
Good stuff Hydra!
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Do the casters not understand and look at the army difference between soO and Hydra, since Hydra was only making roach ling
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
If their was one banker for me today i thought it was soOjwa was going to beat Hydra...but nope :s
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Based Canata, he knew something we didn't.
Maybe he knows why Sojung is in Byunland too?
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On July 22 2014 19:11 sharkie wrote:And 3-0 coming up
keep predicting these things please
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On July 22 2014 19:14 jekku wrote:I dunno what vodoo u used but... -_-
I think it was a needle to the doll's head..
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On July 22 2014 19:14 therabit wrote:
stop giving player nick name wolf you're not good at it
Cinderella zerg is a korean nickname.
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Italy12246 Posts
edit: nvm. Still a terrible nickname.
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Never don't build Roachers in ZvZ. :D
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On July 22 2014 19:15 Pandemona wrote:
If their was one banker for me today i thought it was soOjwa was going to beat Hydra...but nope :s
Hydra is actually very clutch. Feels weird given his mediocre regular season, but in ace matches and playoffs he's really good for some reason
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Soo not looking happy.
Now Bbyong mech time.
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well soo losing here gives cj a pretty fair chance to go up 3-2 with the next two matchups and effort could earlypool a win vs soulkey... upset possible!
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Will bbyong try for a third?
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On July 22 2014 19:14 therabit wrote:
stop giving player nick name wolf you're not good at it
He didn't invent "Cinderella Zerg" I'm pretty sure
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As much as I loved the first Mech game by Bbyong.. I really hope he doesn't try it again.
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Betting on 1-1-1 into bio.
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On July 22 2014 19:15 sashkata wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:14 therabit wrote:
stop giving player nick name wolf you're not good at it Cinderella zerg is a korean nickname.
oh my bad. It's still terrible lol
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Wow soO 0-3 so far in the playoffs. Not what SKT needs.
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On July 22 2014 19:17 therabit wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:15 sashkata wrote:On July 22 2014 19:14 therabit wrote:
stop giving player nick name wolf you're not good at it Cinderella zerg is a korean nickname. oh my bad. It's still terrible lol
I actually really like it.
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Italy12246 Posts
On July 22 2014 19:17 WTCO wrote:
Wow soO 0-3 so far in the playoffs. Not what SKT needs.
He's extending the SKT line, but in his own way. Instead of always disappointing, he only does so when it really, really matters.
@poster above me: nop. Tornado Terran is a nickname. Or the Six Protoss Dragons. Cinderella Zerg is just bad.
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On July 22 2014 19:17 WTCO wrote:
Wow soO 0-3 so far in the playoffs. Not what SKT needs.
soO can't win anything when it counts.
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Okay this is the time we see if CJ really has a chance! Gogo Bbyong!
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On July 22 2014 19:17 Teoita wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:17 WTCO wrote:
Wow soO 0-3 so far in the playoffs. Not what SKT needs. He's extending the SKT line, but in his own way. Instead of always disappointing, he only does so when it really, really matters.
LOL. Soo true.
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Poll: What will Bbyong do?FanTaSy build (4) 44% Mech build (3) 33% Bio build (2) 22% 9 total votes Your vote: What will Bbyong do? (Vote): Bio build
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damn I was afraid that Bbyong would lift his cc
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Lets go Bbyong! Show us the way~
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First deviation, Reaper instead of gas 15. Can still be 1-1-1 into mech though.
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On July 22 2014 19:17 Teoita wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:17 WTCO wrote:
Wow soO 0-3 so far in the playoffs. Not what SKT needs. He's extending the SKT line, but in his own way. Instead of always disappointing, he only does so when it really, really matters.
Damn, didn't even think of it like that.
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On July 22 2014 19:17 WTCO wrote:
Wow soO 0-3 so far in the playoffs. Not what SKT needs.
he's also 0-3 in GSL finals
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On July 22 2014 19:21 GTR wrote:
rip leta and bunkie
I was about to ask this but where the damn hell is Bunkie? Retired or?
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On July 22 2014 19:21 LeLfe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:17 WTCO wrote:
Wow soO 0-3 so far in the playoffs. Not what SKT needs. he's also 0-3 in GSL finals
still better than JD : P
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On July 22 2014 19:22 Pandemona wrote:Did Rain nexus first? I thought it was 10min break so i did a phonecall to sell some tyres and now i didn't see
No standard msc expand
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On July 22 2014 19:22 Arceus wrote:I was about to ask this but where the damn hell is Bunkie? Retired or?
What about that mutant CJ mascot from a couple years ago
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On July 22 2014 19:22 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:21 LeLfe wrote:On July 22 2014 19:17 WTCO wrote:
Wow soO 0-3 so far in the playoffs. Not what SKT needs. he's also 0-3 in GSL finals still better than JD : P
JD is a GSL champion...
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On July 22 2014 19:23 Teoita wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:22 Pandemona wrote:Did Rain nexus first? I thought it was 10min break so i did a phonecall to sell some tyres and now i didn't see No standard msc expand
Ta
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Is this the same build as before by bbyong?
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On July 22 2014 19:23 Heartland wrote:
Is this the same build as before by bbyong?
Yep
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On July 22 2014 19:23 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:22 Heartland wrote:On July 22 2014 19:21 LeLfe wrote:On July 22 2014 19:17 WTCO wrote:
Wow soO 0-3 so far in the playoffs. Not what SKT needs. he's also 0-3 in GSL finals still better than JD : P JD is a GSL champion...
sc2 JD
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Not liking Bbyongs chances tbh.
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Is he going to take both of the islands?
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Rofl Bbyong you crazy nerd!
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The Medivac was to both fake the drop he did yesterday, and get the workers on the islands.
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why he go for the main first then?
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Ninja the ninja expansion
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Seriously, Bbyong is my fav player
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Bbyong you are such a hero!
The same bust is coming
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
I can confirm that Bbyong is a badass
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I feel like i'm in groundhog day....
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Fake drops. Why don't more terrans do fake drops? You're sacrificing 100/100 resources to keep the protoss in their base.
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On July 22 2014 19:25 Exarl25 wrote:
The Medivac was to both fake the drop he did yesterday, and get the workers on the islands.
good point
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On July 22 2014 02:53 TheDwf wrote:
3. Knowing that Bbyong may go mech or play upon the "things always come in threes?" theme, Rain gets an early Sentry to send a hallucinated Phoenix OR takes a non-obvious path with his first Observer so it doesn't run into the Raven.
The prophecy has been fulfilled.
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On July 22 2014 19:26 Thobrik wrote:
Fake drops. Why don't more terrans do fake drops? You're sacrificing 100/100 resources to keep the protoss in their base.
And the lost mining from probe pulls.
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Can't tell wether bbyongjwa is insane or genius. Probably both.
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i can't tell if this is a good idea or not. but i love him for it.
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On July 22 2014 19:26 Teoita wrote:
Can't tell wether bbyongjwa is insane or genius. Probably both.
Dont they go hand in hand?
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What's interesting with Rain's style is that he won't kill Bbyong like PartinG yesterday, so we'll have a real macro game.
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On July 22 2014 19:25 polpot wrote:
why he go for the main first then?
just to scare Rain into defending drops
this is the same build with a twist: way faster and greedier island expos
ok carrier counter plzzz
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This build is so damn greedy. Any midgame push instawin vs this.
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On July 22 2014 19:26 Big J wrote:
If rain wins this...
hm? isn't it the thing that most likely will happen, i mean why shouldn't he
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OMFG
CARRIERS
RAIN U FKN GOD
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OMG OMGOMG (sojung moment)
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On July 22 2014 19:28 TheDwf wrote:
What's interesting with Rain's style is that he won't kill Bbyong like PartinG yesterday, so we'll have a real macro game.
I still dont see how the hell Bbyong ever holds the timing Parting did (or something similar)
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Carriers :D
Stats v SuNo take 2!
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Oh, straight Carriers. Most ambitious answer, but immediately scanned.
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Bbyong vs Rain is delivering.
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Omfg Carriers, thank you, thank you, thank you!!!
Best Birthday!!!
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No Fun Protoss making Carriers? Oresum
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CARRIERS VS. MECH. THIS IS NOT A DRILL.
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Shi just got real, this game is wild already
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The small adjustments from yesterday. He doesn't throw away his Marines because he may need them to hold out until his Planetary wall finishes. He gets the sensor tower so he knows where an attack will be coming from and doesn't need to spread his Tanks out on all sides. Lets see how he deals with Carriers.
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On July 22 2014 19:28 Undead1993 wrote:hm? isn't it the thing that most likely will happen, i mean why shouldn't he
because his initial setup up was so bad. He is so far behind where he could be.
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Mech v Carrier is the futumeta of sc2 woooo
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what the fuck?
did i just get sucked in a wormhole 2 years into the future?
since when doe pros play mech against toss?
and since when is toss responding with carriers?
love it.
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I tuned in expecting Bbyong to play mech, now I see this and Carriers. Not disappointed, not at all.
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oh terran
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Hahaha that was awesome :D
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That was a juicy hellion shot.
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Bbyong needs 25 turrets on each island imo
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millions of vikings are the only way to deal with this. And Ravens later for pdd.
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One of those hellions just got significantly promoted
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Buhahahha, that was beautiful. Also, ghosts, exciting!
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wtf happened? that probe line..
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starports are waay too late. don't think he will have everything he needs in time
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Don't see how Bbyong can hold on with what he has..
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pdd dont work vs carriers lol
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Bbyong has too many scvs, right?
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On July 22 2014 19:33 polpot wrote:
pdd dont work vs carriers lol
But they do wonders vs tempest
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so. This worked in practice?
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Questionable starport timing I think, bit late for the airtoss army
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On July 22 2014 19:33 SoulCapsule wrote:
Bbyong has too many scvs, right?
It's on purpose given his game plan but it's not efficient to have 90 SCVs with Terran's production.
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Bbyong looks pretty lost against this lol
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On July 22 2014 19:33 KrazyTrumpet wrote:But they do wonders vs tempest
yes pdd counter tempest hard because of the low fire rate
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well, you just can't go mech
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Got to respect the Carriers.
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You know something in sc2 is bad when ever carriers work against it.
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On July 22 2014 19:34 polpot wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:33 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On July 22 2014 19:33 polpot wrote:
pdd dont work vs carriers lol But they do wonders vs tempest yes pdd counter tempest hard because of the low fire rate
but you need many ravens
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easiest playoff game of rain's life
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Nice game, but outcome was inevitable.
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carrier/tempest pretty good if you can get it
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The idea is good (maybe), but there are a few kinks that need to be worked out
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Poll: Recommend Rain vs BbyongExcellent Game (24) 77% Good Game (4) 13% Meh Game (2) 6% Bad Game (1) 3% 31 total votes Your vote: Recommend Rain vs Bbyong (Vote): Excellent Game
(Vote): Good Game
(Vote): Meh Game
(Vote): Bad Game
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On July 22 2014 19:34 Phredxor wrote:
Got to respect the Carriers.
The carries did like nothing that game, rofl
That was all tempests
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I don't understand... Bbyong is such a good biomine TvP player and went mech three in a row...
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I don't understand why you would go mech on a map that some terrans (maru) manage to rack up wins on just playing bio.
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i don't know why he didn't make starports forever
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Pff I ll guess we ll have to wait for flash to make mech work...
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Send mech back to the grave!
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Is Wolf actually trying to tell a Code S Terran that his composition isn't viable? I really hate him sometimes.... isn't he like gold?
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It looked like Bbyong had never played against carriers before with that style.
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I have no idea why Bbyong keeps playing that.
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why did blizzard even say they were trying to make mech viable in Hots if they add tempest and swarmhost and vipers?
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Don't agree with Wolf, I think mech is plenty viable. Feel like Bbyong has *almost* got it all figured out. Honestly, I wish Tempests would go, I feel like they're a dumb unit and shut down too much late game tech in all matchups =/
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Did Ghosts do anything in that game?
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i think even with an earlier viking transition he still gets crushed by blink stalker tempest carrier
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On July 22 2014 19:35 SC2Towelie wrote:
Is Wolf actually trying to tell a Code S Terran that his composition isn't viable? I really hate him sometimes.... isn't he like gold?
He was a professional Toss player back in WOL
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On July 22 2014 19:35 SC2Towelie wrote:
Is Wolf actually trying to tell a Code S Terran that his composition isn't viable? I really hate him sometimes.... isn't he like gold?
how viable does it look to you?
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On July 22 2014 19:35 Gwavajuice wrote:
Pff I ll guess we ll have to wait for flash to make mech work...
Wouldn't someone good have a better chance of doing that?
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On July 22 2014 19:35 SC2Towelie wrote:
Is Wolf actually trying to tell a Code S Terran that his composition isn't viable? I really hate him sometimes.... isn't he like gold?
If the caster isn't allowed to make any calls on the game, why even have him casting? Presumably he has knowledge beyond the level of his actual play, that's the whole idea with a commentator
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if only Bbyong knows Rain's counter, he woulda played a lil bit differently, like more focus on airplay this mech play got a lot of aspect to be improved imo
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Too little starports too late.
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On July 22 2014 19:36 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Don't agree with Wolf, I think mech is plenty viable. Feel like Bbyong has *almost* got it all figured out. Honestly, I wish Tempests would go, I feel like they're a dumb unit and shut down too much late game tech in all matchups =/
He needed a faster starport transition, I think if he had a few more ravens and a bigger viking fleet it would've been easy money
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thing is, to hold such airtoss army, you need like 10 ravens with mass PDD. And Bbyong was very late on his starports, so he got overwhelmed.
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Guess, this terran koreans needs to learn some tricks from Avilo. Mech ain't easy after such a long bio brainwash.
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On July 22 2014 19:36 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Don't agree with Wolf, I think mech is plenty viable. Feel like Bbyong has *almost* got it all figured out. Honestly, I wish Tempests would go, I feel like they're a dumb unit and shut down too much late game tech in all matchups =/
and how is PvZ vs swarmhosts supposed to look without the option of tempest the Zerg can just make infinte swarm hosts queens and spores and turtle to win.
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Rain talking to fantasy about well all that mech practice went today .
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Don't really think it's viable.. Only worked against Classic due to super late scout and then Classic just panicking.
Parting and Rain had no problem beating it with two completely different styles.
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On July 22 2014 19:35 Derez wrote:
I don't understand why you would go mech on a map that some terrans (maru) manage to rack up wins on just playing bio.
Public service! Bbyong figures mech is not going to be a concern of blizzard until more mech games are seen, so he takes one for the team.
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On July 22 2014 19:37 HomeWorld wrote:
Guess, this terran koreans needs to learn some tricks from Avilo. Mech ain't easy.
hahaha, you mean, the guys who keeps whining after losing to protoss because he's just not that good?
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On July 22 2014 19:37 HomeWorld wrote:
Guess, this terran koreans needs to learn some tricks from Avilo. Mech ain't easy after such a long bio brainwash.
lel. I'd pay money to see avilo get murdered by rain.
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And the ravens? Why he did not have more ravens?
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On July 22 2014 19:36 Arceus wrote:if only Bbyong knows Rain's counter, he woulda played a lil bit differently, like more focus on airplay this mech play got a lot of aspect to be improved imo
He should've immediately build them starports
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Bbyong didnt go mass of vikings because it is really weak againt tempest and carrier. Widow mine has more possibilities. And you guys dont know why bbyong didnt go bio?? Because rain is a master of vs bio
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okay so protoss has 2 cap ship viable vs the 1/2 of zergs and the 0 of terrans. dont search too far why there is a lategame prob in this game
User was temp banned for this post.
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Meh, ravens are fine vs tempests, Carriers on the other hand I've always felt were absolutely brutal against Mech.
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come on SKT 1 more game. I need to go to sleep
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oh here comes the the dota pron commercial
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On July 22 2014 19:37 GTPGlitch wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:36 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Don't agree with Wolf, I think mech is plenty viable. Feel like Bbyong has *almost* got it all figured out. Honestly, I wish Tempests would go, I feel like they're a dumb unit and shut down too much late game tech in all matchups =/ He needed a faster starport transition, I think if he had a few more ravens and a bigger viking fleet it would've been easy money
Yeah, like I said, I feel like Bbyong is so close to figuring out this whole mech TvP thing. Maybe faster starports and/or more ghosts and a nuke or two as well? Dunno, but I think we'll see more of this. I hope so, these mech TvP games are fun
On July 22 2014 19:37 robson1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:36 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Don't agree with Wolf, I think mech is plenty viable. Feel like Bbyong has *almost* got it all figured out. Honestly, I wish Tempests would go, I feel like they're a dumb unit and shut down too much late game tech in all matchups =/ and how is PvZ vs swarmhosts supposed to look without the option of tempest the Zerg can just make infinte swarm hosts queens and spores and turtle to win.
Swarm hosts are an idiotic unit that also need to go.
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On July 22 2014 19:38 SSVnormandy wrote:
okay so protoss has 2 cap ship viable vs the 1/2 of zergs and the 0 of terrans. dont search too far why there is a lategame prob in this game
Carriers aren't "viable".
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On July 22 2014 19:36 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:35 Gwavajuice wrote:
Pff I ll guess we ll have to wait for flash to make mech work... Wouldn't someone good have a better chance of doing that?
don't need someone good, need someone stuborn
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On July 22 2014 19:38 SSVnormandy wrote:
okay so protoss has 2 cap ship viable vs the 1/2 of zergs and the 0 of terrans. dont search too far why there is a lategame prob in this game
Yes, you heard it here first, folks. Someone actually thinks Carriers are imbalanced.
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welp thats what you get for introducing range 15 flying units into the game. LotV will introduce a range 22+ i guess to counter them lol.
Blizzard team has no flair or imagination.
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On July 22 2014 19:38 SSVnormandy wrote:
okay so protoss has 2 cap ship viable vs the 1/2 of zergs and the 0 of terrans. dont search too far why there is a lategame prob in this game
Carriers are too good, yeah
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Although mech is really hard to pull of at this level, it didnt look like bbyong had too much experience with it. You need to turtle hardcore and build up a huge air fleet against protoss mass air. Should have built many more starports much earlier.
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On July 22 2014 19:36 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:35 SC2Towelie wrote:
Is Wolf actually trying to tell a Code S Terran that his composition isn't viable? I really hate him sometimes.... isn't he like gold? If the caster isn't allowed to make any calls on the game, why even have him casting? Presumably he has knowledge beyond the level of his actual play, that's the whole idea with a commentator
There's a difference between commentating what's happening in the game, and making ignorant statements like "this composition just isn't viable." I can almost guarantee you that Bbyong wouldn't use this same strategy 3 times in a row if he didn't think it was viable. And if a Code S level player thinks that something is viable, and Wolf says that it isn't, I'm much more inclined to side with the Code S Terran here...
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On July 22 2014 19:39 KrazyTrumpet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:37 GTPGlitch wrote:On July 22 2014 19:36 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Don't agree with Wolf, I think mech is plenty viable. Feel like Bbyong has *almost* got it all figured out. Honestly, I wish Tempests would go, I feel like they're a dumb unit and shut down too much late game tech in all matchups =/ He needed a faster starport transition, I think if he had a few more ravens and a bigger viking fleet it would've been easy money Yeah, like I said, I feel like Bbyong is so close to figuring out this whole mech TvP thing. Maybe faster starports and/or more ghosts and a nuke or two as well? Dunno, but I think we'll see more of this. I hope so, these mech TvP games are fun
Looked like that's where Bbyong was heading, just couldn't get there fast enough.
But even then, the Protoss could just switch back into a ground army if he went too viking/raven heavy.
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On July 22 2014 19:39 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:38 SSVnormandy wrote:
okay so protoss has 2 cap ship viable vs the 1/2 of zergs and the 0 of terrans. dont search too far why there is a lategame prob in this game Carriers aren't "viable".
Against mech they are, and if the need ever rises they can be used vs bio too after the Tempest stage.
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I think CJ should hire avilo to coach Bbyong.
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On July 22 2014 19:39 Topdoller wrote:
welp thats what you get for introducing range 15 flying units into the game. LotV will introduce a range 22+ i guess to counter them lol.
Blizzard team has no flair or imagination.
Wasn't the Tempest originally like 23 range?
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If terran goes mass of viking, then protoss just switch to HT tempest terran gg
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On July 22 2014 19:38 gobbledydook wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:37 HomeWorld wrote:
Guess, this terran koreans needs to learn some tricks from Avilo. Mech ain't easy. hahaha, you mean, the guys who keeps whining after losing to protoss because he's just not that good?
The only problem, and it's a genuine one, is the early game, that's where the issue lies. If terran manages to go into mid/late game without any setbacks or just minor ones , mech can work quite fine.
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On July 22 2014 19:40 SC2Towelie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:36 Zealously wrote:On July 22 2014 19:35 SC2Towelie wrote:
Is Wolf actually trying to tell a Code S Terran that his composition isn't viable? I really hate him sometimes.... isn't he like gold? If the caster isn't allowed to make any calls on the game, why even have him casting? Presumably he has knowledge beyond the level of his actual play, that's the whole idea with a commentator There's a difference between commentating what's happening in the game, and making ignorant statements like "this composition just isn't viable." I can almost guarantee you that Bbyong wouldn't use this same strategy 3 times in a row if he didn't think it was viable. And if a Code S level player thinks that something is viable, and Wolf says that it isn't, I'm much more inclined to side with the Code S Terran here...
That's fine but you can't expect a caster to act like a composition is fine until it's been proven that it is, and so far Bbyong hasn't been doing that.
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It is viable. There is absolutely no chance in hell he would do the same thing 3 times on this map in such important games if it didn't have merit. Standard play fails too if your build isn't tight enough and you are slow on your transitions. If he got that AA up faster the game goes on.
Keep in mind it isn't just Bbyong that believes this can work. You think the rest of his team and his coach would be happy with him getting sent out on that map to gift games away?
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On July 22 2014 19:41 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I think CJ should hire avilo to coach Bbyong.
i think blizzard should hire this thread to make the next balance patch
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On July 22 2014 19:40 Phredxor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:39 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On July 22 2014 19:37 GTPGlitch wrote:On July 22 2014 19:36 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Don't agree with Wolf, I think mech is plenty viable. Feel like Bbyong has *almost* got it all figured out. Honestly, I wish Tempests would go, I feel like they're a dumb unit and shut down too much late game tech in all matchups =/ He needed a faster starport transition, I think if he had a few more ravens and a bigger viking fleet it would've been easy money Yeah, like I said, I feel like Bbyong is so close to figuring out this whole mech TvP thing. Maybe faster starports and/or more ghosts and a nuke or two as well? Dunno, but I think we'll see more of this. I hope so, these mech TvP games are fun Looked like that's where Bbyong was heading, just couldn't get there fast enough. But even then, the Protoss could just switch back into a ground army if he went too viking/raven heavy.
That's why (among other things) I feel assault mode Vikings need a buff
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On July 22 2014 19:41 KrazyTrumpet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:39 Topdoller wrote:
welp thats what you get for introducing range 15 flying units into the game. LotV will introduce a range 22+ i guess to counter them lol.
Blizzard team has no flair or imagination. Wasn't the Tempest originally like 23 range?
Yeh "for when you absolutely need to snipe siege tanks from all the way back in your base - THE TEMPEST!"
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On July 22 2014 19:40 SC2Towelie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:36 Zealously wrote:On July 22 2014 19:35 SC2Towelie wrote:
Is Wolf actually trying to tell a Code S Terran that his composition isn't viable? I really hate him sometimes.... isn't he like gold? If the caster isn't allowed to make any calls on the game, why even have him casting? Presumably he has knowledge beyond the level of his actual play, that's the whole idea with a commentator There's a difference between commentating what's happening in the game, and making ignorant statements like "this composition just isn't viable." I can almost guarantee you that Bbyong wouldn't use this same strategy 3 times in a row if he didn't think it was viable. And if a Code S level player thinks that something is viable, and Wolf says that it isn't, I'm much more inclined to side with the Code S Terran here...
This is a perfectly fine statement. Mech isn't viable in TvP.
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On July 22 2014 19:41 Undead1993 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:41 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I think CJ should hire avilo to coach Bbyong. i think blizzard should hire this thread to make the next balance patch
We've got a GM terran in Dwf here and Teo was a good protoss too once upon a time before WoW ate his soul. Would probably get better patch ideas if they did.
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On July 22 2014 19:41 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:40 SC2Towelie wrote:On July 22 2014 19:36 Zealously wrote:On July 22 2014 19:35 SC2Towelie wrote:
Is Wolf actually trying to tell a Code S Terran that his composition isn't viable? I really hate him sometimes.... isn't he like gold? If the caster isn't allowed to make any calls on the game, why even have him casting? Presumably he has knowledge beyond the level of his actual play, that's the whole idea with a commentator There's a difference between commentating what's happening in the game, and making ignorant statements like "this composition just isn't viable." I can almost guarantee you that Bbyong wouldn't use this same strategy 3 times in a row if he didn't think it was viable. And if a Code S level player thinks that something is viable, and Wolf says that it isn't, I'm much more inclined to side with the Code S Terran here... That's fine but you can't expect a caster to act like a composition is fine until it's been proven that it is, and so far Bbyong hasn't been doing that.
I disagree. I think he's very clearly shown that it's viable, though perhaps not polished enough just yet.
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Tempest are so stupid and massable because they are an a move unit that shoot air and ground from huge distances. What was blizzard thinking?
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On July 22 2014 19:42 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:41 Undead1993 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I think CJ should hire avilo to coach Bbyong. i think blizzard should hire this thread to make the next balance patch We've got a GM terran in Dwf here and Teo was a good protoss too once upon a time before WoW ate his soul. Would probably get better patch ideas if they did.
rofl xD
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On July 22 2014 19:43 cmdspinner1 wrote:
Tempest are so stupid and massable because they are an a move units that shoot air and ground from huge distances. What was blizzard thinking?
Same thing when they made the Swarm Host xD
Bless them and their ideas
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On July 22 2014 19:42 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:40 Phredxor wrote:On July 22 2014 19:39 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On July 22 2014 19:37 GTPGlitch wrote:On July 22 2014 19:36 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Don't agree with Wolf, I think mech is plenty viable. Feel like Bbyong has *almost* got it all figured out. Honestly, I wish Tempests would go, I feel like they're a dumb unit and shut down too much late game tech in all matchups =/ He needed a faster starport transition, I think if he had a few more ravens and a bigger viking fleet it would've been easy money Yeah, like I said, I feel like Bbyong is so close to figuring out this whole mech TvP thing. Maybe faster starports and/or more ghosts and a nuke or two as well? Dunno, but I think we'll see more of this. I hope so, these mech TvP games are fun Looked like that's where Bbyong was heading, just couldn't get there fast enough. But even then, the Protoss could just switch back into a ground army if he went too viking/raven heavy. That's why (among other things) I feel assault mode Vikings need a buff
I could get behind this. Makes Vikings essentially Goliaths at that point.
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On July 22 2014 19:42 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:41 Undead1993 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I think CJ should hire avilo to coach Bbyong. i think blizzard should hire this thread to make the next balance patch We've got a GM terran in Dwf here and Teo was a good protoss too once upon a time before WoW ate his soul. Would probably get better patch ideas if they did.
Nah that won't work, Teo thinks TvZ is the best match-up to watch, I don't trust him with my protoss balance against thedwf <3.
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carriers so good i dont remember any game without them
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On July 22 2014 19:41 Exarl25 wrote:
It is viable. There is absolutely no chance in hell he would do the same thing 3 times on this map in such important games if it didn't have merit. Standard play fails too if your build isn't tight enough and you are slow on your transitions. If he got that AA up faster the game goes on.
If he gets that AA up he still loses to the addition of Templars. Air/Templars wins everything in lategame TvP.
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On July 22 2014 19:44 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:42 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 Undead1993 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I think CJ should hire avilo to coach Bbyong. i think blizzard should hire this thread to make the next balance patch We've got a GM terran in Dwf here and Teo was a good protoss too once upon a time before WoW ate his soul. Would probably get better patch ideas if they did. Nah that won't work, Teo thinks TvZ is the best match-up to watch, I don't trust him with my protoss balance against thedwf <3.
Are you sure? I did write a certain book...
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I think the fact that it never gets played shows it's not viable. People have tried to make it work for a long time yet nobody has consistently used it and won games with it.
Bbyong playing it 3 games in a row doesn't make it suddenly viable.
Only in my lowly opinion of course.
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On July 22 2014 19:42 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:41 Undead1993 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I think CJ should hire avilo to coach Bbyong. i think blizzard should hire this thread to make the next balance patch We've got a GM terran in Dwf here and Teo was a good protoss too once upon a time before WoW ate his soul. Would probably get better patch ideas if they did.
ZParcraft had an impact on Blizzard choice to patch the game.
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On July 22 2014 19:43 Teoita wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:42 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 Undead1993 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I think CJ should hire avilo to coach Bbyong. i think blizzard should hire this thread to make the next balance patch We've got a GM terran in Dwf here and Teo was a good protoss too once upon a time before WoW ate his soul. Would probably get better patch ideas if they did. rofl xD
Pretty sure he is more rockstar than gamer these days
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On July 22 2014 19:44 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:41 Exarl25 wrote:
It is viable. There is absolutely no chance in hell he would do the same thing 3 times on this map in such important games if it didn't have merit. Standard play fails too if your build isn't tight enough and you are slow on your transitions. If he got that AA up faster the game goes on. If he gets that AA up he still loses to the addition of Templars. Air/Templars wins everything in lategame TvP.
Going to trust in the judgement of a team in the playoffs of Proleague over yours.
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On July 22 2014 19:43 cmdspinner1 wrote:
Tempest are so stupid and massable because they are an a move unit that shoot air and ground from huge distances. What was blizzard thinking?
They thought "Broodlord/Infestor isn't a lot of fun"
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On July 22 2014 19:43 KrazyTrumpet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:41 Nebuchad wrote:On July 22 2014 19:40 SC2Towelie wrote:On July 22 2014 19:36 Zealously wrote:On July 22 2014 19:35 SC2Towelie wrote:
Is Wolf actually trying to tell a Code S Terran that his composition isn't viable? I really hate him sometimes.... isn't he like gold? If the caster isn't allowed to make any calls on the game, why even have him casting? Presumably he has knowledge beyond the level of his actual play, that's the whole idea with a commentator There's a difference between commentating what's happening in the game, and making ignorant statements like "this composition just isn't viable." I can almost guarantee you that Bbyong wouldn't use this same strategy 3 times in a row if he didn't think it was viable. And if a Code S level player thinks that something is viable, and Wolf says that it isn't, I'm much more inclined to side with the Code S Terran here... That's fine but you can't expect a caster to act like a composition is fine until it's been proven that it is, and so far Bbyong hasn't been doing that. I disagree. I think he's very clearly shown that it's viable, though perhaps not polished enough just yet.
How did he clearly show it was viable. Mayyyyyyyyyy be it is viable as a one off suprise. But BByong just tried a double sneak expand into mech and got roflstomped by carrier tempest. That sounds like the synopsis of a plat-game. I didn't see any indications to mech being viable.
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On July 22 2014 19:43 Destructicon wrote:
Before you say mech is viable keep in mind Bbyong has only been doing it on this map. It might be completely unworkable on any other map, in particular the really big ones.
It's already not working out for him, despite Parting and Rain opening anti-bio.
Good luck making this work when your opponent just takes 4bases and does not opt to go Colossus/Gateway early.
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On July 22 2014 19:44 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:42 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 Undead1993 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I think CJ should hire avilo to coach Bbyong. i think blizzard should hire this thread to make the next balance patch We've got a GM terran in Dwf here and Teo was a good protoss too once upon a time before WoW ate his soul. Would probably get better patch ideas if they did. Nah that won't work, Teo thinks TvZ is the best match-up to watch, I don't trust him with my protoss balance against thedwf <3.
Teo killed a mass void ray army with pure marine/medivac in a 4v4 we played yesterday. It hurt my soul to see him do this after being such an icon for the wok race
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On July 22 2014 19:44 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:43 Teoita wrote:On July 22 2014 19:42 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 Undead1993 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I think CJ should hire avilo to coach Bbyong. i think blizzard should hire this thread to make the next balance patch We've got a GM terran in Dwf here and Teo was a good protoss too once upon a time before WoW ate his soul. Would probably get better patch ideas if they did. rofl xD Pretty sure he is more rockstar than gamer these days
Also rofl xD sadly im just sitting at home, studying for exams...
edit: wtf olli that wasnt me, it was lichter.
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Rofl, I really enjoy the PL behind the scene with the two girls playing DotA.
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On July 22 2014 19:40 SC2Towelie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:36 Zealously wrote:On July 22 2014 19:35 SC2Towelie wrote:
Is Wolf actually trying to tell a Code S Terran that his composition isn't viable? I really hate him sometimes.... isn't he like gold? If the caster isn't allowed to make any calls on the game, why even have him casting? Presumably he has knowledge beyond the level of his actual play, that's the whole idea with a commentator There's a difference between commentating what's happening in the game, and making ignorant statements like "this composition just isn't viable." I can almost guarantee you that Bbyong wouldn't use this same strategy 3 times in a row if he didn't think it was viable. And if a Code S level player thinks that something is viable, and Wolf says that it isn't, I'm much more inclined to side with the Code S Terran here...
"[I]t often happens that the 17-year-old is right and the professor is wrong" - Wikipedia co-founder Jimmy Wales
And, well, the record favors Wolf here.
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Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
On July 22 2014 19:45 Teoita wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:44 Pandemona wrote:On July 22 2014 19:43 Teoita wrote:On July 22 2014 19:42 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 Undead1993 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I think CJ should hire avilo to coach Bbyong. i think blizzard should hire this thread to make the next balance patch We've got a GM terran in Dwf here and Teo was a good protoss too once upon a time before WoW ate his soul. Would probably get better patch ideas if they did. rofl xD Pretty sure he is more rockstar than gamer these days Also rofl xD sadly im just sitting at home, studying for exams... edit: wtf olli that wasnt me, it was lichter.
Wow you slacker huh
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On July 22 2014 19:45 Teoita wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:44 Pandemona wrote:On July 22 2014 19:43 Teoita wrote:On July 22 2014 19:42 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 Undead1993 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I think CJ should hire avilo to coach Bbyong. i think blizzard should hire this thread to make the next balance patch We've got a GM terran in Dwf here and Teo was a good protoss too once upon a time before WoW ate his soul. Would probably get better patch ideas if they did. rofl xD Pretty sure he is more rockstar than gamer these days Also rofl xD sadly im just sitting at home, studying for exams... edit: wtf olli that wasnt me, it was lichter.
Oh it was lights?
Were you the one who 10pooled then?
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On July 22 2014 19:44 Aeromi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:42 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 Undead1993 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I think CJ should hire avilo to coach Bbyong. i think blizzard should hire this thread to make the next balance patch We've got a GM terran in Dwf here and Teo was a good protoss too once upon a time before WoW ate his soul. Would probably get better patch ideas if they did. ZParcraft had an impact on Blizzard choice to patch the game.
I really doubt that whinedisgusedaslegitcritique post had any measurable affect on Blizzard's desire to patch something. We know how Blizzard works, they don't do ANYTHING quickly.
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On July 22 2014 19:45 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:43 cmdspinner1 wrote:
Tempest are so stupid and massable because they are an a move unit that shoot air and ground from huge distances. What was blizzard thinking? They thought "Broodlord/Infestor isn't a lot of fun"
I wish they had come up with a better solution to this. Tempest arent exactly fun aswell
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On July 22 2014 19:47 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:45 Teoita wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 Pandemona wrote:On July 22 2014 19:43 Teoita wrote:On July 22 2014 19:42 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 Undead1993 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I think CJ should hire avilo to coach Bbyong. i think blizzard should hire this thread to make the next balance patch We've got a GM terran in Dwf here and Teo was a good protoss too once upon a time before WoW ate his soul. Would probably get better patch ideas if they did. rofl xD Pretty sure he is more rockstar than gamer these days Also rofl xD sadly im just sitting at home, studying for exams... edit: wtf olli that wasnt me, it was lichter. Oh it was lights? Were you the one who 10pooled then?
Yep. I hoped it would please stuchiu (also i hoped i wouldnt have to play zerg for long). I did make a couple of them ragequit with swarm hosts though, that's got to account for something...
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On July 22 2014 19:44 Exarl25 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:44 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 Exarl25 wrote:
It is viable. There is absolutely no chance in hell he would do the same thing 3 times on this map in such important games if it didn't have merit. Standard play fails too if your build isn't tight enough and you are slow on your transitions. If he got that AA up faster the game goes on. If he gets that AA up he still loses to the addition of Templars. Air/Templars wins everything in lategame TvP. Going to trust in the judgement of a team in the playoffs of Proleague over yours.
Sure, the 0-2 record against answers that were not hilariously off speaks for itself.
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Ah herO can loose a deciding game again :s
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Okay, no way parting is beating herO once again!
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On July 22 2014 19:47 KrazyTrumpet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:44 Aeromi wrote:On July 22 2014 19:42 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 Undead1993 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I think CJ should hire avilo to coach Bbyong. i think blizzard should hire this thread to make the next balance patch We've got a GM terran in Dwf here and Teo was a good protoss too once upon a time before WoW ate his soul. Would probably get better patch ideas if they did. ZParcraft had an impact on Blizzard choice to patch the game. I really doubt that whinedisgusedaslegitcritique post had any measurable affect on Blizzard's desire to patch something. We know how Blizzard works, they don't do ANYTHING quickly.
It has an impact, I'm 100% sure.
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I want an ace match so bad
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On July 22 2014 19:44 Exarl25 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:44 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 Exarl25 wrote:
It is viable. There is absolutely no chance in hell he would do the same thing 3 times on this map in such important games if it didn't have merit. Standard play fails too if your build isn't tight enough and you are slow on your transitions. If he got that AA up faster the game goes on. If he gets that AA up he still loses to the addition of Templars. Air/Templars wins everything in lategame TvP. Going to trust in the judgement of a team in the playoffs of Proleague over yours.
Here you go:
http://aligulac.com/players/4705-Downfall/
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The biggest strength of SKT is that they dont have any good Ts ;d
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This is it, can herO handle the pressure or will PartinG's control be too much?
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On July 22 2014 19:48 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:44 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 Exarl25 wrote:
It is viable. There is absolutely no chance in hell he would do the same thing 3 times on this map in such important games if it didn't have merit. Standard play fails too if your build isn't tight enough and you are slow on your transitions. If he got that AA up faster the game goes on. If he gets that AA up he still loses to the addition of Templars. Air/Templars wins everything in lategame TvP. Going to trust in the judgement of a team in the playoffs of Proleague over yours. Sure, the 0-2 record against answers that were not hilariously off speaks for itself.
Even if it doesn't work in the end, it's still better to see someone at the top level trying to refine it just to make sure. The experience is worth it and interesting in itself.
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On July 22 2014 19:48 Pandemona wrote:Oh so we know why there isn't any previews for Code A and such now because you writers and staff to busy playing 4v4s pretending your good vs bronzers. Nice....nice.... Zealously still getting his predictions from BW times also. Wax....where art thou the place is falling apart Or maybe Plexa to just re take over the whole place and save us.
There is a Code A preview. We even did a preview for WCS America CHALLENGER, that's how passionate we are.
I don't think the writing stuff has ever done as much stuff. Probably since we've never had as many people
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Yeah, where is Wax? Vacation?
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On July 22 2014 19:48 Pandemona wrote:Oh so we know why there isn't any previews for Code A and such now because you writers and staff to busy playing 4v4s pretending your good vs bronzers. Nice....nice.... Zealously still getting his predictions from BW times also. Wax....where art thou the place is falling apart Or maybe Plexa to just re take over the whole place and save us.
Hey Pandemona you're drunk
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On July 22 2014 19:50 Heartland wrote:
Yeah, where is Wax? Vacation?
He doesn't work for TL anymore
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
On July 22 2014 19:50 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:48 Pandemona wrote:Oh so we know why there isn't any previews for Code A and such now because you writers and staff to busy playing 4v4s pretending your good vs bronzers. Nice....nice.... Zealously still getting his predictions from BW times also. Wax....where art thou the place is falling apart Or maybe Plexa to just re take over the whole place and save us. There is a Code A preview. We even did a preview for WCS America CHALLENGER, that's how passionate we are. I don't think the writing stuff has ever done as much stuff. Probably since we've never had as many people
You missed like two Code As last week and you also missed Preview for Game 2 of this Semi final
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On July 22 2014 19:50 Heartland wrote:
Yeah, where is Wax? Vacation?
Lost his #passion
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On July 22 2014 19:51 Zealously wrote:He doesn't work for TL anymore
Why?
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On July 22 2014 19:48 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:44 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 Exarl25 wrote:
It is viable. There is absolutely no chance in hell he would do the same thing 3 times on this map in such important games if it didn't have merit. Standard play fails too if your build isn't tight enough and you are slow on your transitions. If he got that AA up faster the game goes on. If he gets that AA up he still loses to the addition of Templars. Air/Templars wins everything in lategame TvP. Going to trust in the judgement of a team in the playoffs of Proleague over yours. Sure, the 0-2 record against answers that were not hilariously off speaks for itself.
I don't know, would Bbyong really do this three times in a row if he hadn't practiced it a ton and wasn't confident with it? I like to think that herO's PvT is good enough to beat him the same way Rain and Parting did, at least a few times in practice
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On July 22 2014 19:51 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:51 Zealously wrote:On July 22 2014 19:50 Heartland wrote:
Yeah, where is Wax? Vacation? He doesn't work for TL anymore Why?
Wasn't good enough at 4v4s.
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On July 22 2014 19:52 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:51 Heartland wrote:On July 22 2014 19:51 Zealously wrote:On July 22 2014 19:50 Heartland wrote:
Yeah, where is Wax? Vacation? He doesn't work for TL anymore Why? Wasn't good enough at 4v4s.
Indeed i think thats how Licther got in. His 6pools were useful in that or he got #Carried idk
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Im really curious about foreigner you guys. Here in korea, all people criticize about protoss every time. But why here always advocate protoss races?? Protoss is definately strong
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On July 22 2014 19:51 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:51 Zealously wrote:On July 22 2014 19:50 Heartland wrote:
Yeah, where is Wax? Vacation? He doesn't work for TL anymore Why?
He lost his passion.
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Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
On July 22 2014 19:51 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:48 Pandemona wrote:Oh so we know why there isn't any previews for Code A and such now because you writers and staff to busy playing 4v4s pretending your good vs bronzers. Nice....nice.... Zealously still getting his predictions from BW times also. Wax....where art thou the place is falling apart Or maybe Plexa to just re take over the whole place and save us. Hey Pandemona you're drunk
Sorry i do like winding you up, don't take offense to it <3
#BANTER
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On July 22 2014 19:52 sm1995 wrote:
Im really curious about foreigner you guys. Here in korea, all people criticize about protoss every time. But why here always advocate protoss races?? Protoss is definately strong
I bet you that the foreign community whines more about protoss!
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On July 22 2014 19:52 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:51 Heartland wrote:On July 22 2014 19:51 Zealously wrote:On July 22 2014 19:50 Heartland wrote:
Yeah, where is Wax? Vacation? He doesn't work for TL anymore Why? He lost his passion.
it happens to the best of us
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On July 22 2014 19:51 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:51 Zealously wrote:On July 22 2014 19:50 Heartland wrote:
Yeah, where is Wax? Vacation? He doesn't work for TL anymore Why?
He's moved on to smite
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On July 22 2014 19:52 sm1995 wrote:
Im really curious about foreigner you guys. Here in korea, all people criticize about protoss every time. But why here always advocate protoss races?? Protoss is definately strong
I ban people for whining about protoss all the time.
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On July 22 2014 19:52 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:51 Heartland wrote:On July 22 2014 19:51 Zealously wrote:On July 22 2014 19:50 Heartland wrote:
Yeah, where is Wax? Vacation? He doesn't work for TL anymore Why? Wasn't good enough at 4v4s.
Hehe
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I want a KT vs SKT finals, since that will probably have the biggest audience in Korea, but if that happens, there will be little chance (Fantasy) of a TvT or very many Terran matchups (Flash and Baby).
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On July 22 2014 19:52 sm1995 wrote:
Im really curious about foreigner you guys. Here in korea, all people criticize about protoss every time. But why here always advocate protoss races?? Protoss is definately strong
Protoss pretty well hated at the moment in foreign community.
Don't you worry about that.
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Oh fuck no, not SG vs SG...
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On July 22 2014 19:47 KrazyTrumpet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:44 Aeromi wrote:On July 22 2014 19:42 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 Undead1993 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I think CJ should hire avilo to coach Bbyong. i think blizzard should hire this thread to make the next balance patch We've got a GM terran in Dwf here and Teo was a good protoss too once upon a time before WoW ate his soul. Would probably get better patch ideas if they did. ZParcraft had an impact on Blizzard choice to patch the game. I really doubt that whinedisgusedaslegitcritique post had any measurable affect on Blizzard's desire to patch something. We know how Blizzard works, they don't do ANYTHING quickly.
June 29 (the day the article is published): "no immediate plans for extra changes".
July 01: "we've listened to recent feedback".
Coincidence?
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On July 22 2014 19:51 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:50 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 22 2014 19:48 Pandemona wrote:Oh so we know why there isn't any previews for Code A and such now because you writers and staff to busy playing 4v4s pretending your good vs bronzers. Nice....nice.... Zealously still getting his predictions from BW times also. Wax....where art thou the place is falling apart Or maybe Plexa to just re take over the whole place and save us. There is a Code A preview. We even did a preview for WCS America CHALLENGER, that's how passionate we are. I don't think the writing stuff has ever done as much stuff. Probably since we've never had as many people You missed like two Code As last week and you also missed Preview for Game 2 of this Semi final
We didn't miss it, we didn't preview it because it was all-kill and predicting SKT's lineup is pointless. I did a BR instead!
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On July 22 2014 19:48 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:44 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 Exarl25 wrote:
It is viable. There is absolutely no chance in hell he would do the same thing 3 times on this map in such important games if it didn't have merit. Standard play fails too if your build isn't tight enough and you are slow on your transitions. If he got that AA up faster the game goes on. If he gets that AA up he still loses to the addition of Templars. Air/Templars wins everything in lategame TvP. Going to trust in the judgement of a team in the playoffs of Proleague over yours. Sure, the 0-2 record against answers that were not hilariously off speaks for itself.
Broadcasted games represent a ridiculously small sample of what is actually played. Getting sent out 3 times in a row on this map and doing that build every time. It is working in practice, and it isn't Bbyong alone who has faith in it. Games these important are not ones where you experiment.
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On July 22 2014 19:43 KrazyTrumpet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:41 Nebuchad wrote:On July 22 2014 19:40 SC2Towelie wrote:On July 22 2014 19:36 Zealously wrote:On July 22 2014 19:35 SC2Towelie wrote:
Is Wolf actually trying to tell a Code S Terran that his composition isn't viable? I really hate him sometimes.... isn't he like gold? If the caster isn't allowed to make any calls on the game, why even have him casting? Presumably he has knowledge beyond the level of his actual play, that's the whole idea with a commentator There's a difference between commentating what's happening in the game, and making ignorant statements like "this composition just isn't viable." I can almost guarantee you that Bbyong wouldn't use this same strategy 3 times in a row if he didn't think it was viable. And if a Code S level player thinks that something is viable, and Wolf says that it isn't, I'm much more inclined to side with the Code S Terran here... That's fine but you can't expect a caster to act like a composition is fine until it's been proven that it is, and so far Bbyong hasn't been doing that. I disagree. I think he's very clearly shown that it's viable, though perhaps not polished enough just yet.
I agree with wolf. Even if this build is viable it seems very far from being figured out beyond catching a protoss off guard in a one off game here and there.
rather then looking at it just from the perspective that terrans still need to figure the build out, protoss players would have had very little practice against this kind of build compared to bio, and yet on average mech builds usually get absolutely recked by protoss regardless.
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Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
On July 22 2014 19:54 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:51 Pandemona wrote:On July 22 2014 19:50 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 22 2014 19:48 Pandemona wrote:Oh so we know why there isn't any previews for Code A and such now because you writers and staff to busy playing 4v4s pretending your good vs bronzers. Nice....nice.... Zealously still getting his predictions from BW times also. Wax....where art thou the place is falling apart Or maybe Plexa to just re take over the whole place and save us. There is a Code A preview. We even did a preview for WCS America CHALLENGER, that's how passionate we are. I don't think the writing stuff has ever done as much stuff. Probably since we've never had as many people You missed like two Code As last week and you also missed Preview for Game 2 of this Semi final We didn't miss it, we didn't preview it because it was all-kill and predicting SKT's lineup is pointless. I did a BR instead!
Still could of recapped game 2 and wrote about it
I guess your call not mine but i thought it was worth writing about xD
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Northern Ireland24417 Posts
Bbyong showing one of the most solid, obviously well-practiced and map specific Mech I've yet seen and it still doesn't work out for him. Pretty cool to see nonetheless
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I root for herO but I find it stupid that phoenix can just fly in, kill 7 probes and a msc with no damage on the phoenix at all -.-
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Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
Yeah you miss the match preview for match 2 which should of added to match 1 recap xD
Only needed a paragraph or two xD
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On July 22 2014 19:54 Exarl25 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:48 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 Exarl25 wrote:
It is viable. There is absolutely no chance in hell he would do the same thing 3 times on this map in such important games if it didn't have merit. Standard play fails too if your build isn't tight enough and you are slow on your transitions. If he got that AA up faster the game goes on. If he gets that AA up he still loses to the addition of Templars. Air/Templars wins everything in lategame TvP. Going to trust in the judgement of a team in the playoffs of Proleague over yours. Sure, the 0-2 record against answers that were not hilariously off speaks for itself. Broadcasted games represent a ridiculously small sample of what is actually played. Getting sent out 3 times in a row on this map and doing that build every time. It is working in practice, and it isn't Bbyong alone who has faith in it. Games these important are not ones where you experiment.
I mean, you don't know what happens in practice either. Maybe Bbyong gets megarekt with bio lately and slightly less rekt with mech, so he decides to do this over bio. You can't expect us to follow your idea based on what we don't know, we obviously need more than that (I think Maru said recently that mech was not so bad vs protoss, that would be an example of "more than that", but still not enough)
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Good start for herO. But I have almost zero faith in effOrt winning any type of match except ZvT..
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what kind of recall is that...
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Wow what was with that recall..
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It's sad how easy it is to tell who is going to win =\
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what a derp moment by parting....
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On July 22 2014 19:58 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:54 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:48 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 Exarl25 wrote:
It is viable. There is absolutely no chance in hell he would do the same thing 3 times on this map in such important games if it didn't have merit. Standard play fails too if your build isn't tight enough and you are slow on your transitions. If he got that AA up faster the game goes on. If he gets that AA up he still loses to the addition of Templars. Air/Templars wins everything in lategame TvP. Going to trust in the judgement of a team in the playoffs of Proleague over yours. Sure, the 0-2 record against answers that were not hilariously off speaks for itself. Broadcasted games represent a ridiculously small sample of what is actually played. Getting sent out 3 times in a row on this map and doing that build every time. It is working in practice, and it isn't Bbyong alone who has faith in it. Games these important are not ones where you experiment. I mean, you don't know what happens in practice either. Maybe Bbyong gets megarekt with bio lately and slightly less rekt with mech, so he decides to do this over bio. You can't expect us to follow your idea based on what we don't know, we obviously need more than that (I think Maru said recently that mech was not so bad vs protoss, that would be an example of "more than that", but still not enough)
If that was the case then why send out Bbyong at all? It's not like CJ Entus doesn't have other good players. And I don't see how it working better than bio for a player of Bbyong's caliber can possibly be a point against it.
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Australia54784 Posts
soulkey-effort gonna be good
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herO kinda destroyed PartinG there.
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Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
Poll: Recommend PartinG vs herOGood Game (7) 47% Meh Game (4) 27% Excellent Game (3) 20% Bad Game (1) 7% 15 total votes Your vote: Recommend PartinG vs herO (Vote): Excellent Game
(Vote): Good Game
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Always pleasure to watch PartinG #getting rekt
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wow if Effort beats Soul Khan this is gonna become really interesting
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never seen PartinG so indecisive and lost. EffOrt will be the man yet againnn
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On July 22 2014 20:02 Exarl25 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:58 Nebuchad wrote:On July 22 2014 19:54 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:48 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 Exarl25 wrote:
It is viable. There is absolutely no chance in hell he would do the same thing 3 times on this map in such important games if it didn't have merit. Standard play fails too if your build isn't tight enough and you are slow on your transitions. If he got that AA up faster the game goes on. If he gets that AA up he still loses to the addition of Templars. Air/Templars wins everything in lategame TvP. Going to trust in the judgement of a team in the playoffs of Proleague over yours. Sure, the 0-2 record against answers that were not hilariously off speaks for itself. Broadcasted games represent a ridiculously small sample of what is actually played. Getting sent out 3 times in a row on this map and doing that build every time. It is working in practice, and it isn't Bbyong alone who has faith in it. Games these important are not ones where you experiment. I mean, you don't know what happens in practice either. Maybe Bbyong gets megarekt with bio lately and slightly less rekt with mech, so he decides to do this over bio. You can't expect us to follow your idea based on what we don't know, we obviously need more than that (I think Maru said recently that mech was not so bad vs protoss, that would be an example of "more than that", but still not enough) If that was the case then why send out Bbyong at all? It's not like CJ Entus doesn't have other good players. And I don't see how it working better than bio for a player of Bbyong's caliber can possibly be a point against it.
bbyong is their semi ace and at least their second biggest star. You cannot bench him in the semi finals unless he is literally getting pwned in every game on ladder/pratice.
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Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
On July 22 2014 20:03 Pandemona wrote:Poll: Recommend PartinG vs herOGood Game (7) 47% Meh Game (4) 27% Excellent Game (3) 20% Bad Game (1) 7% 15 total votes Your vote: Recommend PartinG vs herO (Vote): Excellent Game
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its been a while i watch sc2, since when coach park went to CJ lol
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Aaaaah... nice! Seriously this loss against parting yesterday was so disapointing, herO had to do something today.
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Austria24417 Posts
This got interesting really fast. Effort can beat Soulkey.
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Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
On July 22 2014 20:04 Lorning wrote:
God dammnit I overslept
Yeah...i need your mobile number brah. LR and op man i like old shellybot mode here. xD
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On July 22 2014 20:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:
This got interesting really fast. Effort can beat Soulkey.
I can beat Soulkey too
if his screen breaks after 10 seconds
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On July 22 2014 20:04 justiceknight wrote:
its been a while i watch sc2, since when coach park went to CJ lol
Before this PL season started.
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On July 22 2014 20:04 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:
This got interesting really fast. Effort can beat Soulkey. I can beat Soulkey too if his screen breaks after 10 seconds
#shots fired.
Better watch out sk.
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lol everyone votes against effOrt
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Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
WOW
Soulkey predicted to win by every caster xD
It's ZvZ after all anything can happen
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On July 22 2014 19:52 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:48 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 Exarl25 wrote:
It is viable. There is absolutely no chance in hell he would do the same thing 3 times on this map in such important games if it didn't have merit. Standard play fails too if your build isn't tight enough and you are slow on your transitions. If he got that AA up faster the game goes on. If he gets that AA up he still loses to the addition of Templars. Air/Templars wins everything in lategame TvP. Going to trust in the judgement of a team in the playoffs of Proleague over yours. Sure, the 0-2 record against answers that were not hilariously off speaks for itself. I don't know, would Bbyong really do this three times in a row if he hadn't practiced it a ton and wasn't confident with it? I like to think that herO's PvT is good enough to beat him the same way Rain and Parting did, at least a few times in practice
Well it's obvious he specifically practiced this to play it in important matches. But it still doesn't work. At all. Not only his build 100% loses to what PartinG did yesterday, but even when he gets away with mass CCs AND immediately scans the 3 Stargate answer, he still ends up in a losing position.
I would explain this mech build in the following sense (other than Bbyong having a fondness for iffy stuff). When you have abysmal odds in standard scenarii (I give Bbyong maybe 20% chances in a normal game against players like PartinG or Rain), you try to avoid them and drag your opponent into murky waters. There's always the small chance that your opponent gets stuck in the mud like Classic, doesn't deviate from his anti-bio autopilot and finds himself in a hopeless position.
Talked about all of this here if you're interested.
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gg CJ
You actually really impressed me in this playoff by getting it to game 6 of game three but unfortunately its over.
It's no shame to lose to SKT!
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On July 22 2014 20:04 justiceknight wrote:
its been a while i watch sc2, since when coach park went to CJ lol
After last year's proleague when EG-TL got out and this didn't renew his contract.
He did a good job overall, CJ kept on improving this season.
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On July 22 2014 20:04 robson1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:02 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:58 Nebuchad wrote:On July 22 2014 19:54 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:48 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 Exarl25 wrote:
It is viable. There is absolutely no chance in hell he would do the same thing 3 times on this map in such important games if it didn't have merit. Standard play fails too if your build isn't tight enough and you are slow on your transitions. If he got that AA up faster the game goes on. If he gets that AA up he still loses to the addition of Templars. Air/Templars wins everything in lategame TvP. Going to trust in the judgement of a team in the playoffs of Proleague over yours. Sure, the 0-2 record against answers that were not hilariously off speaks for itself. Broadcasted games represent a ridiculously small sample of what is actually played. Getting sent out 3 times in a row on this map and doing that build every time. It is working in practice, and it isn't Bbyong alone who has faith in it. Games these important are not ones where you experiment. I mean, you don't know what happens in practice either. Maybe Bbyong gets megarekt with bio lately and slightly less rekt with mech, so he decides to do this over bio. You can't expect us to follow your idea based on what we don't know, we obviously need more than that (I think Maru said recently that mech was not so bad vs protoss, that would be an example of "more than that", but still not enough) If that was the case then why send out Bbyong at all? It's not like CJ Entus doesn't have other good players. And I don't see how it working better than bio for a player of Bbyong's caliber can possibly be a point against it. bbyong is their semi ace and at least their second biggest star. You cannot bench him in the semi finals unless he is literally getting pwned in every game on ladder/pratice.
Him getting pwned in practice was kind of the foundation for that argument. Again, they are sending out this player on this map to do this built every time, I don't see how anyone can possibly argue against that indicating that at the very least this build is working well in practice and the team as a whole has faith in it.
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On July 22 2014 20:04 robson1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:02 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:58 Nebuchad wrote:On July 22 2014 19:54 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:48 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 Exarl25 wrote:
It is viable. There is absolutely no chance in hell he would do the same thing 3 times on this map in such important games if it didn't have merit. Standard play fails too if your build isn't tight enough and you are slow on your transitions. If he got that AA up faster the game goes on. If he gets that AA up he still loses to the addition of Templars. Air/Templars wins everything in lategame TvP. Going to trust in the judgement of a team in the playoffs of Proleague over yours. Sure, the 0-2 record against answers that were not hilariously off speaks for itself. Broadcasted games represent a ridiculously small sample of what is actually played. Getting sent out 3 times in a row on this map and doing that build every time. It is working in practice, and it isn't Bbyong alone who has faith in it. Games these important are not ones where you experiment. I mean, you don't know what happens in practice either. Maybe Bbyong gets megarekt with bio lately and slightly less rekt with mech, so he decides to do this over bio. You can't expect us to follow your idea based on what we don't know, we obviously need more than that (I think Maru said recently that mech was not so bad vs protoss, that would be an example of "more than that", but still not enough) If that was the case then why send out Bbyong at all? It's not like CJ Entus doesn't have other good players. And I don't see how it working better than bio for a player of Bbyong's caliber can possibly be a point against it. bbyong is their semi ace and at least their second biggest star. You cannot bench him in the semi finals unless he is literally getting pwned in every game on ladder/pratice.
well, they could have replaced their "semi-ace" with the play off ace
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On July 22 2014 20:06 Exarl25 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:04 robson1 wrote:On July 22 2014 20:02 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:58 Nebuchad wrote:On July 22 2014 19:54 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:48 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 Exarl25 wrote:
It is viable. There is absolutely no chance in hell he would do the same thing 3 times on this map in such important games if it didn't have merit. Standard play fails too if your build isn't tight enough and you are slow on your transitions. If he got that AA up faster the game goes on. If he gets that AA up he still loses to the addition of Templars. Air/Templars wins everything in lategame TvP. Going to trust in the judgement of a team in the playoffs of Proleague over yours. Sure, the 0-2 record against answers that were not hilariously off speaks for itself. Broadcasted games represent a ridiculously small sample of what is actually played. Getting sent out 3 times in a row on this map and doing that build every time. It is working in practice, and it isn't Bbyong alone who has faith in it. Games these important are not ones where you experiment. I mean, you don't know what happens in practice either. Maybe Bbyong gets megarekt with bio lately and slightly less rekt with mech, so he decides to do this over bio. You can't expect us to follow your idea based on what we don't know, we obviously need more than that (I think Maru said recently that mech was not so bad vs protoss, that would be an example of "more than that", but still not enough) If that was the case then why send out Bbyong at all? It's not like CJ Entus doesn't have other good players. And I don't see how it working better than bio for a player of Bbyong's caliber can possibly be a point against it. bbyong is their semi ace and at least their second biggest star. You cannot bench him in the semi finals unless he is literally getting pwned in every game on ladder/pratice. Him getting pwned in practice was kind of the foundation for that argument. Again, they are sending out this player on this map to do this built every time, I don't see how anyone can possibly argue against that indicating that at the very least this build is working well in practice and the team as a whole has faith in it.
I don't think anyone has
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Effort show us your OSL-winning skills
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On July 22 2014 20:06 Muffloe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:04 robson1 wrote:On July 22 2014 20:02 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:58 Nebuchad wrote:On July 22 2014 19:54 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:48 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 Exarl25 wrote:
It is viable. There is absolutely no chance in hell he would do the same thing 3 times on this map in such important games if it didn't have merit. Standard play fails too if your build isn't tight enough and you are slow on your transitions. If he got that AA up faster the game goes on. If he gets that AA up he still loses to the addition of Templars. Air/Templars wins everything in lategame TvP. Going to trust in the judgement of a team in the playoffs of Proleague over yours. Sure, the 0-2 record against answers that were not hilariously off speaks for itself. Broadcasted games represent a ridiculously small sample of what is actually played. Getting sent out 3 times in a row on this map and doing that build every time. It is working in practice, and it isn't Bbyong alone who has faith in it. Games these important are not ones where you experiment. I mean, you don't know what happens in practice either. Maybe Bbyong gets megarekt with bio lately and slightly less rekt with mech, so he decides to do this over bio. You can't expect us to follow your idea based on what we don't know, we obviously need more than that (I think Maru said recently that mech was not so bad vs protoss, that would be an example of "more than that", but still not enough) If that was the case then why send out Bbyong at all? It's not like CJ Entus doesn't have other good players. And I don't see how it working better than bio for a player of Bbyong's caliber can possibly be a point against it. bbyong is their semi ace and at least their second biggest star. You cannot bench him in the semi finals unless he is literally getting pwned in every game on ladder/pratice. well, they could have replaced their "semi-ace" with the play off ace
Can't risk him getting killed off by the booth 5 mins into the game.
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On July 22 2014 20:07 Pangpootata wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:06 Muffloe wrote:On July 22 2014 20:04 robson1 wrote:On July 22 2014 20:02 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:58 Nebuchad wrote:On July 22 2014 19:54 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:48 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 Exarl25 wrote:
It is viable. There is absolutely no chance in hell he would do the same thing 3 times on this map in such important games if it didn't have merit. Standard play fails too if your build isn't tight enough and you are slow on your transitions. If he got that AA up faster the game goes on. If he gets that AA up he still loses to the addition of Templars. Air/Templars wins everything in lategame TvP. Going to trust in the judgement of a team in the playoffs of Proleague over yours. Sure, the 0-2 record against answers that were not hilariously off speaks for itself. Broadcasted games represent a ridiculously small sample of what is actually played. Getting sent out 3 times in a row on this map and doing that build every time. It is working in practice, and it isn't Bbyong alone who has faith in it. Games these important are not ones where you experiment. I mean, you don't know what happens in practice either. Maybe Bbyong gets megarekt with bio lately and slightly less rekt with mech, so he decides to do this over bio. You can't expect us to follow your idea based on what we don't know, we obviously need more than that (I think Maru said recently that mech was not so bad vs protoss, that would be an example of "more than that", but still not enough) If that was the case then why send out Bbyong at all? It's not like CJ Entus doesn't have other good players. And I don't see how it working better than bio for a player of Bbyong's caliber can possibly be a point against it. bbyong is their semi ace and at least their second biggest star. You cannot bench him in the semi finals unless he is literally getting pwned in every game on ladder/pratice. well, they could have replaced their "semi-ace" with the play off ace Can't risk him getting killed off by the booth 5 mins into the game.
Well, there's always that I guess :p
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1-6 vs Z..
God speed effOrt.
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Oh hey, I'm a Goliath.
Good unit.
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On July 22 2014 20:06 Exarl25 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:04 robson1 wrote:On July 22 2014 20:02 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:58 Nebuchad wrote:On July 22 2014 19:54 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:48 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 Exarl25 wrote:
It is viable. There is absolutely no chance in hell he would do the same thing 3 times on this map in such important games if it didn't have merit. Standard play fails too if your build isn't tight enough and you are slow on your transitions. If he got that AA up faster the game goes on. If he gets that AA up he still loses to the addition of Templars. Air/Templars wins everything in lategame TvP. Going to trust in the judgement of a team in the playoffs of Proleague over yours. Sure, the 0-2 record against answers that were not hilariously off speaks for itself. Broadcasted games represent a ridiculously small sample of what is actually played. Getting sent out 3 times in a row on this map and doing that build every time. It is working in practice, and it isn't Bbyong alone who has faith in it. Games these important are not ones where you experiment. I mean, you don't know what happens in practice either. Maybe Bbyong gets megarekt with bio lately and slightly less rekt with mech, so he decides to do this over bio. You can't expect us to follow your idea based on what we don't know, we obviously need more than that (I think Maru said recently that mech was not so bad vs protoss, that would be an example of "more than that", but still not enough) If that was the case then why send out Bbyong at all? It's not like CJ Entus doesn't have other good players. And I don't see how it working better than bio for a player of Bbyong's caliber can possibly be a point against it. bbyong is their semi ace and at least their second biggest star. You cannot bench him in the semi finals unless he is literally getting pwned in every game on ladder/pratice. Him getting pwned in practice was kind of the foundation for that argument. Again, they are sending out this player on this map to do this built every time, I don't see how anyone can possibly argue against that indicating that at the very least this build is working well in practice and the team as a whole has faith in it.
No it wasn't. The foundation of my argument is that you're asking us to believe something based on what we don't know. That works in a few things in life, but it won't work here.
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smh every zerg knew soulkey was going to 15hatch, why did effort not early pool ! hopefully he plays well then.
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On July 22 2014 20:09 Phredxor wrote:
Oh hey, I'm a Goliath.
Good unit.
And you're online :O
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On July 22 2014 19:48 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:44 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 Exarl25 wrote:
It is viable. There is absolutely no chance in hell he would do the same thing 3 times on this map in such important games if it didn't have merit. Standard play fails too if your build isn't tight enough and you are slow on your transitions. If he got that AA up faster the game goes on. If he gets that AA up he still loses to the addition of Templars. Air/Templars wins everything in lategame TvP. Going to trust in the judgement of a team in the playoffs of Proleague over yours. Sure, the 0-2 record against answers that were not hilariously off speaks for itself.
This is as silly as saying that a bio player losing 0-2 proves that bio isn't viable, just because his composition wasn't hilariously off. You were tricked and have 2 vikings too few to defend his colossi. You didn't scout ahead enough and ran into some storms. And saying something as simple as "air/tempests wins everything in lategame TvP" is almost insulting to the beauty and complexity of the game. Neither player played perfectly and he had a plan as he didn't just immediately gg. I could say also that a terran that has a 190 supply army wins everything lategame, but there are so many factors to consider and still so many ways to lose. I don't think you can say something so conclusively.
In a pro game you can lose if anything is slightly off. That's common sense. You should know this.
I also choose to trust a professional gamer who was comfortable enough to let the game go that long and do it 3 times and surely has a much better understanding of the game than you.
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On July 22 2014 20:10 duckk wrote:
smh every zerg knew soulkey was going to 15hatch, why did effort not early pool ! hopefully he plays well then.
beacuse he does not want to gamble on his Teams life in Semi Finals i guess.
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On July 22 2014 20:10 Circumstance wrote:And you're online :O
Wish they were online in SC2.
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Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
so Classic vs Sora happened again with PartinG vs herO
Now soO vs Hydra is happening again
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On July 22 2014 20:11 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:48 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 Exarl25 wrote:
It is viable. There is absolutely no chance in hell he would do the same thing 3 times on this map in such important games if it didn't have merit. Standard play fails too if your build isn't tight enough and you are slow on your transitions. If he got that AA up faster the game goes on. If he gets that AA up he still loses to the addition of Templars. Air/Templars wins everything in lategame TvP. Going to trust in the judgement of a team in the playoffs of Proleague over yours. Sure, the 0-2 record against answers that were not hilariously off speaks for itself. This is as silly as saying that a bio player losing 0-2 proves that bio isn't viable, just because his composition wasn't hilariously off. You were tricked and have 2 vikings too few to defend his colossi. You didn't scout ahead enough and ran into some storms. Etc. etc. In a pro game you can lose if anything is slightly off. That's common sense. You should know this. I also choose to trust a professional gamer who was comfortable enough to let the game go that long and do it 3 times and surely has a much better understanding of the game than you to say it's not viable.
No it's not. There are plenty games were bio works, there is 1 game where mech vs toss worked, and it was basically a complete derp by Classic.
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sexy hold by effort, but it was not an allin.
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Hope lives.. Come on effort!
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On July 22 2014 20:12 robson1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:11 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On July 22 2014 19:48 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 Exarl25 wrote:
It is viable. There is absolutely no chance in hell he would do the same thing 3 times on this map in such important games if it didn't have merit. Standard play fails too if your build isn't tight enough and you are slow on your transitions. If he got that AA up faster the game goes on. If he gets that AA up he still loses to the addition of Templars. Air/Templars wins everything in lategame TvP. Going to trust in the judgement of a team in the playoffs of Proleague over yours. Sure, the 0-2 record against answers that were not hilariously off speaks for itself. This is as silly as saying that a bio player losing 0-2 proves that bio isn't viable, just because his composition wasn't hilariously off. You were tricked and have 2 vikings too few to defend his colossi. You didn't scout ahead enough and ran into some storms. Etc. etc. In a pro game you can lose if anything is slightly off. That's common sense. You should know this. I also choose to trust a professional gamer who was comfortable enough to let the game go that long and do it 3 times and surely has a much better understanding of the game than you to say it's not viable. No it's not. There are plenty games were bio works, there is 1 game where mech vs toss worked, and it was basically a complete derp by Classic.
There are more of them, actually, but they are few and relatively far between
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That was a surprisingly good hold. The intentional wall opening worked.
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On July 22 2014 20:09 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:06 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 20:04 robson1 wrote:On July 22 2014 20:02 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:58 Nebuchad wrote:On July 22 2014 19:54 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:48 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 Exarl25 wrote:
It is viable. There is absolutely no chance in hell he would do the same thing 3 times on this map in such important games if it didn't have merit. Standard play fails too if your build isn't tight enough and you are slow on your transitions. If he got that AA up faster the game goes on. If he gets that AA up he still loses to the addition of Templars. Air/Templars wins everything in lategame TvP. Going to trust in the judgement of a team in the playoffs of Proleague over yours. Sure, the 0-2 record against answers that were not hilariously off speaks for itself. Broadcasted games represent a ridiculously small sample of what is actually played. Getting sent out 3 times in a row on this map and doing that build every time. It is working in practice, and it isn't Bbyong alone who has faith in it. Games these important are not ones where you experiment. I mean, you don't know what happens in practice either. Maybe Bbyong gets megarekt with bio lately and slightly less rekt with mech, so he decides to do this over bio. You can't expect us to follow your idea based on what we don't know, we obviously need more than that (I think Maru said recently that mech was not so bad vs protoss, that would be an example of "more than that", but still not enough) If that was the case then why send out Bbyong at all? It's not like CJ Entus doesn't have other good players. And I don't see how it working better than bio for a player of Bbyong's caliber can possibly be a point against it. bbyong is their semi ace and at least their second biggest star. You cannot bench him in the semi finals unless he is literally getting pwned in every game on ladder/pratice. Him getting pwned in practice was kind of the foundation for that argument. Again, they are sending out this player on this map to do this built every time, I don't see how anyone can possibly argue against that indicating that at the very least this build is working well in practice and the team as a whole has faith in it. No it wasn't. The foundation of my argument is that you're asking us to believe something based on what we don't know. That works in a few things in life, but it won't work here.
What we don't know? What we know is that Bbyong has been sent out on this specific map 3 times in a row and done the same build all 3 times. What we know is that these are really important matches that the whole team are taking extremely seriously. We have the judgement of a team in the playoffs of Proleague, vs the naysaying of some guys on TL and a 3 game sample.
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On July 22 2014 20:13 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:12 robson1 wrote:On July 22 2014 20:11 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On July 22 2014 19:48 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 Exarl25 wrote:
It is viable. There is absolutely no chance in hell he would do the same thing 3 times on this map in such important games if it didn't have merit. Standard play fails too if your build isn't tight enough and you are slow on your transitions. If he got that AA up faster the game goes on. If he gets that AA up he still loses to the addition of Templars. Air/Templars wins everything in lategame TvP. Going to trust in the judgement of a team in the playoffs of Proleague over yours. Sure, the 0-2 record against answers that were not hilariously off speaks for itself. This is as silly as saying that a bio player losing 0-2 proves that bio isn't viable, just because his composition wasn't hilariously off. You were tricked and have 2 vikings too few to defend his colossi. You didn't scout ahead enough and ran into some storms. Etc. etc. In a pro game you can lose if anything is slightly off. That's common sense. You should know this. I also choose to trust a professional gamer who was comfortable enough to let the game go that long and do it 3 times and surely has a much better understanding of the game than you to say it's not viable. No it's not. There are plenty games were bio works, there is 1 game where mech vs toss worked, and it was basically a complete derp by Classic. There are more of them, actually, but they are few and relatively far between
on PL/GSL level? I don't remember any other game within the last 4-5 months. But I could be wrong obviously. Still, my point would not be any different if 2 out 9 games mech worked, and at least one of those games was basically a throw by the toss.
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god damn it effort, keep upgrading ffs!
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On July 22 2014 20:14 Exarl25 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:09 Nebuchad wrote:On July 22 2014 20:06 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 20:04 robson1 wrote:On July 22 2014 20:02 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:58 Nebuchad wrote:On July 22 2014 19:54 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:48 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 TheDwf wrote:
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If he gets that AA up he still loses to the addition of Templars. Air/Templars wins everything in lategame TvP. Going to trust in the judgement of a team in the playoffs of Proleague over yours. Sure, the 0-2 record against answers that were not hilariously off speaks for itself. Broadcasted games represent a ridiculously small sample of what is actually played. Getting sent out 3 times in a row on this map and doing that build every time. It is working in practice, and it isn't Bbyong alone who has faith in it. Games these important are not ones where you experiment. I mean, you don't know what happens in practice either. Maybe Bbyong gets megarekt with bio lately and slightly less rekt with mech, so he decides to do this over bio. You can't expect us to follow your idea based on what we don't know, we obviously need more than that (I think Maru said recently that mech was not so bad vs protoss, that would be an example of "more than that", but still not enough) If that was the case then why send out Bbyong at all? It's not like CJ Entus doesn't have other good players. And I don't see how it working better than bio for a player of Bbyong's caliber can possibly be a point against it. bbyong is their semi ace and at least their second biggest star. You cannot bench him in the semi finals unless he is literally getting pwned in every game on ladder/pratice. Him getting pwned in practice was kind of the foundation for that argument. Again, they are sending out this player on this map to do this built every time, I don't see how anyone can possibly argue against that indicating that at the very least this build is working well in practice and the team as a whole has faith in it. No it wasn't. The foundation of my argument is that you're asking us to believe something based on what we don't know. That works in a few things in life, but it won't work here. What we don't know? What we know is that Bbyong has been sent out on this specific map 3 times in a row and done the same build all 3 times. What we know is that these are really important matches that the whole team are taking extremely seriously. We have the judgement of a team in the playoffs of Proleague, vs the naysaying of some guys on TL and a 3 game sample.
Oh and the fact that he got murdered in those games. And the fact that nobody else tries mech on korean level. And the fact that he ONLY did mech on this specific map.
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On July 22 2014 20:12 robson1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:11 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On July 22 2014 19:48 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 Exarl25 wrote:
It is viable. There is absolutely no chance in hell he would do the same thing 3 times on this map in such important games if it didn't have merit. Standard play fails too if your build isn't tight enough and you are slow on your transitions. If he got that AA up faster the game goes on. If he gets that AA up he still loses to the addition of Templars. Air/Templars wins everything in lategame TvP. Going to trust in the judgement of a team in the playoffs of Proleague over yours. Sure, the 0-2 record against answers that were not hilariously off speaks for itself. This is as silly as saying that a bio player losing 0-2 proves that bio isn't viable, just because his composition wasn't hilariously off. You were tricked and have 2 vikings too few to defend his colossi. You didn't scout ahead enough and ran into some storms. Etc. etc. In a pro game you can lose if anything is slightly off. That's common sense. You should know this. I also choose to trust a professional gamer who was comfortable enough to let the game go that long and do it 3 times and surely has a much better understanding of the game than you to say it's not viable. No it's not. There are plenty games were bio works, there is 1 game where mech vs toss worked, and it was basically a complete derp by Classic.
That's not even the point. The point is that Bbyong could have played better and that you don't need to be hilariously off in order to lose. Thus, losing to something two times is in no way conclusive whether X works against Y or not.
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On July 22 2014 20:11 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:48 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 Exarl25 wrote:
It is viable. There is absolutely no chance in hell he would do the same thing 3 times on this map in such important games if it didn't have merit. Standard play fails too if your build isn't tight enough and you are slow on your transitions. If he got that AA up faster the game goes on. If he gets that AA up he still loses to the addition of Templars. Air/Templars wins everything in lategame TvP. Going to trust in the judgement of a team in the playoffs of Proleague over yours. Sure, the 0-2 record against answers that were not hilariously off speaks for itself. This is as silly as saying that a bio player losing 0-2 proves that bio isn't viable, just because his composition wasn't hilariously off. You were tricked and have 2 vikings too few to defend his colossi. You didn't scout ahead enough and ran into some storms. Etc. etc. In a pro game you can lose if anything is slightly off. That's common sense. You should know this. I also choose to trust a professional gamer who was comfortable enough to let the game go that long and do it 3 times and surely has a much better understanding of the game than you to say it's not viable.
Believe if you want to believe. The day the mech:bio ratio isn't 500:1 anymore in high level Korean TvP, the conversations about the viability of mech can start. Until that's it's pure faith from people who want to believe vs the trial of reality.
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Soulkey ain't that far behind.
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On July 22 2014 20:16 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:12 robson1 wrote:On July 22 2014 20:11 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On July 22 2014 19:48 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 Exarl25 wrote:
It is viable. There is absolutely no chance in hell he would do the same thing 3 times on this map in such important games if it didn't have merit. Standard play fails too if your build isn't tight enough and you are slow on your transitions. If he got that AA up faster the game goes on. If he gets that AA up he still loses to the addition of Templars. Air/Templars wins everything in lategame TvP. Going to trust in the judgement of a team in the playoffs of Proleague over yours. Sure, the 0-2 record against answers that were not hilariously off speaks for itself. This is as silly as saying that a bio player losing 0-2 proves that bio isn't viable, just because his composition wasn't hilariously off. You were tricked and have 2 vikings too few to defend his colossi. You didn't scout ahead enough and ran into some storms. Etc. etc. In a pro game you can lose if anything is slightly off. That's common sense. You should know this. I also choose to trust a professional gamer who was comfortable enough to let the game go that long and do it 3 times and surely has a much better understanding of the game than you to say it's not viable. No it's not. There are plenty games were bio works, there is 1 game where mech vs toss worked, and it was basically a complete derp by Classic. That's not even the point. The point is that Bbyong could have played better and that 2 games losing to something doesn't prove that mech isn't viable against specific strategy/composition.
You're off base with this I'm sorry. You cannot declare something viable based on a pro doing it 3 times and getting murderd 2 times, while confusing classic once.
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On July 22 2014 20:17 Zealously wrote:
Effort is ahead
but what does it mean???
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Effort loses his upgrade advantage....
*sighs*
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I don't get ZvZ but effort is winning?!
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What is the upgrade which is blue and has some kind of avian face on it?
edit: Oh, Burrow Movement
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Effort, take the gas in the main pls
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
On July 22 2014 20:19 Heartland wrote:
What is the upgrade which is blue and has some kind of avian face on it?
Tunneling claws? aka roach burrow movement xD
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On July 22 2014 20:19 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:19 Heartland wrote:
What is the upgrade which is blue and has some kind of avian face on it? Tunneling claws? aka roach burrow movement xD
Yeah, ty
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On July 22 2014 20:19 sashkata wrote:
Effort, take the gas in the main pls
No need, 5 gas on three bases is what you want when you go for Roach max.
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On July 22 2014 20:17 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:11 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On July 22 2014 19:48 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 Exarl25 wrote:
It is viable. There is absolutely no chance in hell he would do the same thing 3 times on this map in such important games if it didn't have merit. Standard play fails too if your build isn't tight enough and you are slow on your transitions. If he got that AA up faster the game goes on. If he gets that AA up he still loses to the addition of Templars. Air/Templars wins everything in lategame TvP. Going to trust in the judgement of a team in the playoffs of Proleague over yours. Sure, the 0-2 record against answers that were not hilariously off speaks for itself. This is as silly as saying that a bio player losing 0-2 proves that bio isn't viable, just because his composition wasn't hilariously off. You were tricked and have 2 vikings too few to defend his colossi. You didn't scout ahead enough and ran into some storms. Etc. etc. In a pro game you can lose if anything is slightly off. That's common sense. You should know this. I also choose to trust a professional gamer who was comfortable enough to let the game go that long and do it 3 times and surely has a much better understanding of the game than you to say it's not viable. Believe if you want to believe. The day the mech:bio ratio isn't 500:1 anymore in high level Korean TvP, the conversations about the viability of mech can start. Until that's it's pure faith from people who want to believe vs the trial of reality.
Well when such an occurrence as the sudden burst of mech in TvT in MLG Anaheim (after people consider it not to be viable simply because it isn't played much) has happened, I can believe in anything. The one where Blue Flame was immediately nerfed afterwards and bio players auto-lost against mech players. Or in 2012 with mech finally being used in TvZ after being absent in GSL since virtually 2010. To me the amount of times a style is used isn't directly connected to how viable it is. Even Supernova mechs all the time in GM KR. Yeah yeah it's not a tournament match, but I doubt he would be wasting all his time practicing a strategy he doesn't think is viable.
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On July 22 2014 20:20 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:No need, 5 gas on three bases is what you want when you go for Roach max.
but they are going for hive tech and infestors now
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Belgica34432 Posts
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
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Man this is going to be a snorefest into one big fight into GG isn't it?
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On July 22 2014 20:20 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:17 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:11 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On July 22 2014 19:48 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 Exarl25 wrote:
It is viable. There is absolutely no chance in hell he would do the same thing 3 times on this map in such important games if it didn't have merit. Standard play fails too if your build isn't tight enough and you are slow on your transitions. If he got that AA up faster the game goes on. If he gets that AA up he still loses to the addition of Templars. Air/Templars wins everything in lategame TvP. Going to trust in the judgement of a team in the playoffs of Proleague over yours. Sure, the 0-2 record against answers that were not hilariously off speaks for itself. This is as silly as saying that a bio player losing 0-2 proves that bio isn't viable, just because his composition wasn't hilariously off. You were tricked and have 2 vikings too few to defend his colossi. You didn't scout ahead enough and ran into some storms. Etc. etc. In a pro game you can lose if anything is slightly off. That's common sense. You should know this. I also choose to trust a professional gamer who was comfortable enough to let the game go that long and do it 3 times and surely has a much better understanding of the game than you to say it's not viable. Believe if you want to believe. The day the mech:bio ratio isn't 500:1 anymore in high level Korean TvP, the conversations about the viability of mech can start. Until that's it's pure faith from people who want to believe vs the trial of reality. Well when such an occurrence as the sudden burst of mech in TvT in MLG Anaheim (after people consider it not to be viable simply because it isn't played much) has happened, I can believe in anything. Or in 2012 with mech finally being used in TvZ after being absent in GSL since virtually 2010. To me the amount of times a style is used isn't directly connected to how viable it is.
So 4 years of pros randomly throwing it in and getting punished for it don't convince you.... alrighty then. Keep believing.
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hahaha this is so boring nothing happens
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On July 22 2014 20:21 Thrillz wrote:
Man this is going to be a snorefest into one big fight into GG isn't it?
Do you believe in a thing called roach?
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
I'm liking Effort's position more and more I think
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Epitome of boring =\ except not really since this is pretty typical
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Belgica34432 Posts
The only thing that can redeem this game is swarm hosts
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we cant nerf the mothership core because of pvp but zvz is in this pathetic state for all of hots, first muta, now this...
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Belgica34432 Posts
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Stupid Effort building Infestors and Hydras in a Roach war. :D
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Soulkey multitasking a lot better qq
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Nice splitting by SK and not so much by Effort.
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On July 22 2014 20:22 Zealously wrote:
I'm liking Effort's position more and more I think
Effort is winning. ...
or his bank carrying him?
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On July 22 2014 20:23 Tsubbi wrote:
we cant nerf the mothership core because of pvp but zvz is in this pathetic state for all of hots, first muta, now this...
but it's fun now! Shame it has to be until 200 supply that Roach becomes fun
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soulkey wasted waay too much imo. effort wins
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On July 22 2014 20:21 robson1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:20 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On July 22 2014 20:17 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:11 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On July 22 2014 19:48 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 Exarl25 wrote:
It is viable. There is absolutely no chance in hell he would do the same thing 3 times on this map in such important games if it didn't have merit. Standard play fails too if your build isn't tight enough and you are slow on your transitions. If he got that AA up faster the game goes on. If he gets that AA up he still loses to the addition of Templars. Air/Templars wins everything in lategame TvP. Going to trust in the judgement of a team in the playoffs of Proleague over yours. Sure, the 0-2 record against answers that were not hilariously off speaks for itself. This is as silly as saying that a bio player losing 0-2 proves that bio isn't viable, just because his composition wasn't hilariously off. You were tricked and have 2 vikings too few to defend his colossi. You didn't scout ahead enough and ran into some storms. Etc. etc. In a pro game you can lose if anything is slightly off. That's common sense. You should know this. I also choose to trust a professional gamer who was comfortable enough to let the game go that long and do it 3 times and surely has a much better understanding of the game than you to say it's not viable. Believe if you want to believe. The day the mech:bio ratio isn't 500:1 anymore in high level Korean TvP, the conversations about the viability of mech can start. Until that's it's pure faith from people who want to believe vs the trial of reality. Well when such an occurrence as the sudden burst of mech in TvT in MLG Anaheim (after people consider it not to be viable simply because it isn't played much) has happened, I can believe in anything. Or in 2012 with mech finally being used in TvZ after being absent in GSL since virtually 2010. To me the amount of times a style is used isn't directly connected to how viable it is. So 4 years of pros randomly throwing it in and getting punished for it don't convince you.... alrighty then. Keep believing.
Getting punished for what? Air/HT in HotS? For 4 years?
If you're talking about WoL, Terran won in TvP with mech more often than lost. I found every single game in GSL and wrote the score down. The point is not popularity or if it's better than bio or not. If it can win, then that's what I consider to be viable. Again, that's like the people saying back in TvT and TvZ that mech isn't viable, because it's used so infrequently. There's such a thing as players not figuring something out until later.
Also if you're going to say players randomly threw it in and lost with it, then why are you judging a style's viability based on those?
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Effort seems really flustered, keeps running away with roaches and overseers when soulkeys roaches burrow in his bases. Still looking Ok though
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Belgica34432 Posts
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Oh wow. So Ultras don't work in zvz.... Good to know.
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Super game by Effort. SKT zergs still lousy.
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YES YES EFFORT!! ACE MATCH TIME
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OMG NO! Not an ace match. My blood pressure cant handle it.
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0-3 Ultras not very good?
I'm shocked.
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Except ultralisks aren't really that scary. lol
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these infested forcefields kick ass against ultras
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
Idiot soulkey, lets run ultra back into a choke and let 3 of them hit 101001 roaches lolol
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O.O
ace match, thank you SKT zergs
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
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Wow ultras are so stupid ^^
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ultras look way more scarier in zvt :/
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Austria24417 Posts
I'll be so mad if Rain doesn't ace
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Nice, this went to the ace, just as I wanted it!
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
Poll: Recommend Soulkey vs EffOrtExcellent Game (11) 65% Good Game (2) 12% Meh Game (2) 12% Bad Game (2) 12% 17 total votes Your vote: Recommend Soulkey vs EffOrt (Vote): Excellent Game
(Vote): Good Game
(Vote): Meh Game
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Ultras would have done a lot more dmg if he didn't take the fight in a choke.
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Just kept throwing away units for non-crippling damage vs Effort who had a bank and was constantly maxing. The ultra transition was ugly too, especially in that choke
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I will get so fucking pissed off if we don't make it to the finals
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Glad that this has gone to the ace match. I don't really care who wins I'm just glad it's been exciting.
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if soO aces, and loses, holy shit...I'll start to be a fan of the guy out of sympathy
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"And EffOrt shows he's not a weak force to be reckoned with!"
:D
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The ultra switch only works in the late late game when you have enough time to get melee upgrades as well
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On July 22 2014 20:27 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I'll be so mad if Rain doesn't ace
Fantasy to roll in with a mad new Terran strat.
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dis gon be hype
the ace players gonna be really nervous lol
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It has to be Rain. Only person to win all his games so far.
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fucking knew it^^
Hero coming out in ace game i would think? vs rain?
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herO vs whom? Don't tell me they are going to send soO lmao.
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The Ultras are an OK choice, but you need infestors with them so you cannot get kited and +1 or +2 melee. And obviously, you need to have the same army supply to begin with...
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On July 22 2014 20:27 Scarecrow wrote:
Just kept throwing away units for non-crippling damage vs Effort who had a bank and was constantly maxing. The ultra transition was ugly too, especially in that choke
But isn't it in an attempt to get ahead in bank and in larva for max-outs? I feel that the ultras lost him the game, but hydra/roach/infestor could probably have won
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Wow... effort being great only when no one believes in him... Love that guy
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
On July 22 2014 20:27 Pandemona wrote:Poll: Recommend Soulkey vs EffOrtExcellent Game (11) 65% Good Game (2) 12% Meh Game (2) 12% Bad Game (2) 12% 17 total votes Your vote: Recommend Soulkey vs EffOrt (Vote): Excellent Game
(Vote): Good Game
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Elimination or continuation - one team's Proleague season ends in one more map.
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On July 22 2014 20:26 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:21 robson1 wrote:On July 22 2014 20:20 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On July 22 2014 20:17 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:11 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On July 22 2014 19:48 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 Exarl25 wrote:
It is viable. There is absolutely no chance in hell he would do the same thing 3 times on this map in such important games if it didn't have merit. Standard play fails too if your build isn't tight enough and you are slow on your transitions. If he got that AA up faster the game goes on. If he gets that AA up he still loses to the addition of Templars. Air/Templars wins everything in lategame TvP. Going to trust in the judgement of a team in the playoffs of Proleague over yours. Sure, the 0-2 record against answers that were not hilariously off speaks for itself. This is as silly as saying that a bio player losing 0-2 proves that bio isn't viable, just because his composition wasn't hilariously off. You were tricked and have 2 vikings too few to defend his colossi. You didn't scout ahead enough and ran into some storms. Etc. etc. In a pro game you can lose if anything is slightly off. That's common sense. You should know this. I also choose to trust a professional gamer who was comfortable enough to let the game go that long and do it 3 times and surely has a much better understanding of the game than you to say it's not viable. Believe if you want to believe. The day the mech:bio ratio isn't 500:1 anymore in high level Korean TvP, the conversations about the viability of mech can start. Until that's it's pure faith from people who want to believe vs the trial of reality. Well when such an occurrence as the sudden burst of mech in TvT in MLG Anaheim (after people consider it not to be viable simply because it isn't played much) has happened, I can believe in anything. Or in 2012 with mech finally being used in TvZ after being absent in GSL since virtually 2010. To me the amount of times a style is used isn't directly connected to how viable it is. So 4 years of pros randomly throwing it in and getting punished for it don't convince you.... alrighty then. Keep believing. Getting punished for what? Air/HT in HotS? For 4 years? If you're talking about WoL, Terran won in TvP with mech more often than lost. I found every single game in GSL and wrote the score down. The point is not popularity or if it's better than bio or not. If it can win, then that's what I consider to be viable. Again, that's like the people saying back in TvT and TvZ that mech isn't viable, because it's used so infrequently. There's such a thing as players not figuring something out until later.
I'm okay with you saying that it's not impossible for mech to work. I'm not okay with Exarl saying "hey, we have to assume mech works, otherwise Bbyong wouldn't use it." That's what Dwf was answering to, and so maybe he didn't use the most precise phrasing he could have, but he's on the right side on this.
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Happy we get an ace match, but now SKT has to win. We need telecom wars final.
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On July 22 2014 20:28 WigglingSquid wrote:Fantasy to roll in with a mad new Terran strat.
I would LOVE it^^
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Woot! Really tense game with a happy ending!
(the lack of manner during these 3 days is hilarious btw)
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Belgica34432 Posts
On July 22 2014 20:28 Muffloe wrote:
Rain vs Gumiho! Please!!
If he sends out GuMi, Park becomes my favorite coach, over Ryu Won
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Hmm... Rain vs herO as ace?
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On July 22 2014 20:26 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:21 robson1 wrote:On July 22 2014 20:20 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On July 22 2014 20:17 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:11 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On July 22 2014 19:48 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 Exarl25 wrote:
It is viable. There is absolutely no chance in hell he would do the same thing 3 times on this map in such important games if it didn't have merit. Standard play fails too if your build isn't tight enough and you are slow on your transitions. If he got that AA up faster the game goes on. If he gets that AA up he still loses to the addition of Templars. Air/Templars wins everything in lategame TvP. Going to trust in the judgement of a team in the playoffs of Proleague over yours. Sure, the 0-2 record against answers that were not hilariously off speaks for itself. This is as silly as saying that a bio player losing 0-2 proves that bio isn't viable, just because his composition wasn't hilariously off. You were tricked and have 2 vikings too few to defend his colossi. You didn't scout ahead enough and ran into some storms. Etc. etc. In a pro game you can lose if anything is slightly off. That's common sense. You should know this. I also choose to trust a professional gamer who was comfortable enough to let the game go that long and do it 3 times and surely has a much better understanding of the game than you to say it's not viable. Believe if you want to believe. The day the mech:bio ratio isn't 500:1 anymore in high level Korean TvP, the conversations about the viability of mech can start. Until that's it's pure faith from people who want to believe vs the trial of reality. Well when such an occurrence as the sudden burst of mech in TvT in MLG Anaheim (after people consider it not to be viable simply because it isn't played much) has happened, I can believe in anything. Or in 2012 with mech finally being used in TvZ after being absent in GSL since virtually 2010. To me the amount of times a style is used isn't directly connected to how viable it is. So 4 years of pros randomly throwing it in and getting punished for it don't convince you.... alrighty then. Keep believing. Getting punished for what? Air/HT in HotS? For 4 years? If you're talking about WoL, Terran won in TvP with mech more often than lost. I found every single game and wrote the score down. The point is not popularity or if it's better than bio or not. If it can win, then that's what I consider to be viable.
everything can win. 11/11/11 rax in the base of your enemy can win. And your TvP Wol stats are most likley based on the fact that people were just: "what the fuck... mech?" and then they died. It's viable as a standard (pro) strat when you can reliably win with it on highest level consistently against a practiced opponent.
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What the fuck was Parting and Soulkey doing today. Go home.
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Well that was strange. I missed the early game, how did effort end up so ahead?
On another note why did Soulkey throw by going ultras when he seemed to make things even by killing Effort's 4th and 3rd?
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
Sorry but SKT how on earth did you let this happen lol xD
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On July 22 2014 20:29 TheDwf wrote:
Hmm... Rain vs herO as ace?
Yeah
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Soulkey vs herO coming up I guess
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SK Telecom will send out a Zerg. CJ will send herO
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On July 22 2014 20:28 Lorning wrote:If he sends out GuMi, Park becomes my favorite coach, over Ryu Won
would be so sweet
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
On July 22 2014 20:29 Megapenthes wrote:
Well that was strange. I missed the early game, how did effort end up so ahead?
On another note why did Soulkey throw by going ultras when he seemed to make things even by killing Effort's 4th and 3rd?
Look at the LR
He went for an early roach bust and got rekt and did 0 damage
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On July 22 2014 20:28 sashkata wrote:
Happy we get an ace match, but now SKT has to win. We need telecom wars final.
This. Only bad thing is that SKT is all Protoss and Zerg active players. =\
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iloveoov vs coach park for ace
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On July 22 2014 20:29 TheDwf wrote:
Hmm... Rain vs herO as ace?
bbyong vs classic rematch. Just to see mech be viable again.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
Yeah by the looks i think it is going to be Rain and we all know CJ ace is herO
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On July 22 2014 20:29 purakushi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:28 sashkata wrote:
Happy we get an ace match, but now SKT has to win. We need telecom wars final. This. Only bad thing is, other than Fantasy who never gets to play, SKT is all Protoss and Zerg. =\
There's Bravo!
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Belgica34432 Posts
On July 22 2014 20:29 purakushi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:28 sashkata wrote:
Happy we get an ace match, but now SKT has to win. We need telecom wars final. This. Only bad thing is, other than Fantasy who never gets to play, SKT is all Protoss and Zerg. =\
CJ vs KT/Jin Air would be best. Atleast 2 terrans at each side
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
The answer is soojwa sons
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Pretty cool that after 3 days of games it all comes down to this last ace match!
The two expected players. Gogo!
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On July 22 2014 20:30 Fusilero wrote:
The answer is soojwa sons
choOke
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Argh, I was away for most of this. Did Bbyong go mech again?
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On July 22 2014 20:29 Gwavajuice wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:28 Lorning wrote:On July 22 2014 20:28 Muffloe wrote:
Rain vs Gumiho! Please!! If he sends out GuMi, Park becomes my favorite coach, over Ryu Won would be so sweet
:/
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On July 22 2014 20:31 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Argh, I was away for most of this. Did Bbyong go mech again?
Mech vs Carriers. :D
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On July 22 2014 20:31 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Argh, I was away for most of this. Did Bbyong go mech again?
Yeah
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Go herO! CJ deserves the win!
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
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I will punch myself in the face if we lose
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
Yeah Rain vs herO good choices both teams. PVP for the right to go to the river island :D
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On July 22 2014 20:31 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:31 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Argh, I was away for most of this. Did Bbyong go mech again? Mech vs Carriers. :D
Seriously? ARGH!
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CJ already has caused a massive upset. Winning now would be already more than any fan expected!
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On July 22 2014 20:30 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:29 purakushi wrote:On July 22 2014 20:28 sashkata wrote:
Happy we get an ace match, but now SKT has to win. We need telecom wars final. This. Only bad thing is, other than Fantasy who never gets to play, SKT is all Protoss and Zerg. =\ There's Bravo!
They let gold slip out of their hands when they released Journey.
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On July 22 2014 20:31 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Argh, I was away for most of this. Did Bbyong go mech again?
Yep and it got scouted and put down hard by Rain
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On July 22 2014 20:31 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Argh, I was away for most of this. Did Bbyong go mech again?
Yes
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Good ol herO. What would CJ do without you?
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uh oh herO is 10:5 against Rain
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SPL semi-finals delivering! I hope Jin Air - KT will be as good
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On July 22 2014 20:31 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Argh, I was away for most of this. Did Bbyong go mech again?
Yes. He lost to carriers and mass tempest
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On July 22 2014 20:30 Lorning wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:29 purakushi wrote:On July 22 2014 20:28 sashkata wrote:
Happy we get an ace match, but now SKT has to win. We need telecom wars final. This. Only bad thing is, other than Fantasy who never gets to play, SKT is all Protoss and Zerg. =\ CJ vs KT/Jin Air would be best. Atleast 2 terrans at each side
It's a tradeoff between number of Terrans and KT/SKT rivalry (more audience). Don't want to see an awesome rivalry but terribleless than ideal games in that nice venue.
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On July 22 2014 20:32 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:30 Heartland wrote:On July 22 2014 20:29 purakushi wrote:On July 22 2014 20:28 sashkata wrote:
Happy we get an ace match, but now SKT has to win. We need telecom wars final. This. Only bad thing is, other than Fantasy who never gets to play, SKT is all Protoss and Zerg. =\ There's Bravo! They let gold slip out of their hands when they released Journey.
Or Sacsri
Has Journey done anything lately?
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On July 22 2014 20:29 Megapenthes wrote:
Well that was strange. I missed the early game, how did effort end up so ahead?
On another note why did Soulkey throw by going ultras when he seemed to make things even by killing Effort's 4th and 3rd?
SK went for an early roach push that cost him a lot of gaz, then effort was always ahead in army and a upgrades (not massivly ahead but still)
Then the harass was good but he lost a lot of army do achieve it, dunno what woud have happened if he had made roach instead of ultras, he may just have had not enough roach to win a straight up fight.
Moreover the harrass was also meant to free food to make ultras so it was part of his switch strategy...
edit : grammar
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Belgica34432 Posts
On July 22 2014 20:32 Undead1993 wrote:
uh oh herO is 10:5 against Rain
But Rain is less of a chokey player in games that matter
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On July 22 2014 20:32 sharkie wrote:
CJ already has caused a massive upset. Winning now would be already more than any fan expected!
well, you know there are also those real fans who always believe in their team, even if it looks hopeless
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I wonder how many players will get fired from SKT if they lose
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On July 22 2014 20:33 Lorning wrote:But Rain is less of a chokey player in games that matter
Hmm, I've seen Rain chocke a couple of times actually, but he's looking good now.
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On July 22 2014 20:33 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:32 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:30 Heartland wrote:On July 22 2014 20:29 purakushi wrote:On July 22 2014 20:28 sashkata wrote:
Happy we get an ace match, but now SKT has to win. We need telecom wars final. This. Only bad thing is, other than Fantasy who never gets to play, SKT is all Protoss and Zerg. =\ There's Bravo! They let gold slip out of their hands when they released Journey. Or Sacsri Has Journey done anything lately?
Not really, but I'm optimistic for the future. Hopefully he can deliver here.
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On July 22 2014 20:33 Calthrash wrote:
I wonder how many players will get fired from SKT if they lose
They will just buy herO and CJ wont even make the playoffs next season.
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#worsethantasteless
#nopassion
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On July 22 2014 20:34 Bowzar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:33 Calthrash wrote:
I wonder how many players will get fired from SKT if they lose They will just buy herO and CJ wont even make the playoffs next season.
They also pick up Maru, sOs, TY and RorO. And then they'll still be mediocre in PL
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On July 22 2014 20:35 Heartland wrote:
Meanwhile Bisu streams BW
#worsethantasteless
#nopassion
It's fine as long as you dont start a Hearthstone youtube channel and stream
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On July 22 2014 20:36 Lorning wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:34 Bowzar wrote:On July 22 2014 20:33 Calthrash wrote:
I wonder how many players will get fired from SKT if they lose They will just buy herO and CJ wont even make the playoffs next season. They also pick up Maru, sOs, TY and RorO. And then they'll still be mediocre in PL
Mediocre? : P
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On July 22 2014 20:34 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:33 Heartland wrote:On July 22 2014 20:32 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:30 Heartland wrote:On July 22 2014 20:29 purakushi wrote:On July 22 2014 20:28 sashkata wrote:
Happy we get an ace match, but now SKT has to win. We need telecom wars final. This. Only bad thing is, other than Fantasy who never gets to play, SKT is all Protoss and Zerg. =\ There's Bravo! They let gold slip out of their hands when they released Journey. Or Sacsri Has Journey done anything lately? Not really, but I'm optimistic for the future. Hopefully he can deliver here.
Speaking of players that SKT dropped. Does anyone know if Sorry is on the SKT roster or not?
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On July 22 2014 20:29 robson1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:26 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On July 22 2014 20:21 robson1 wrote:On July 22 2014 20:20 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On July 22 2014 20:17 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:11 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On July 22 2014 19:48 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 Exarl25 wrote:
It is viable. There is absolutely no chance in hell he would do the same thing 3 times on this map in such important games if it didn't have merit. Standard play fails too if your build isn't tight enough and you are slow on your transitions. If he got that AA up faster the game goes on. If he gets that AA up he still loses to the addition of Templars. Air/Templars wins everything in lategame TvP. Going to trust in the judgement of a team in the playoffs of Proleague over yours. Sure, the 0-2 record against answers that were not hilariously off speaks for itself. This is as silly as saying that a bio player losing 0-2 proves that bio isn't viable, just because his composition wasn't hilariously off. You were tricked and have 2 vikings too few to defend his colossi. You didn't scout ahead enough and ran into some storms. Etc. etc. In a pro game you can lose if anything is slightly off. That's common sense. You should know this. I also choose to trust a professional gamer who was comfortable enough to let the game go that long and do it 3 times and surely has a much better understanding of the game than you to say it's not viable. Believe if you want to believe. The day the mech:bio ratio isn't 500:1 anymore in high level Korean TvP, the conversations about the viability of mech can start. Until that's it's pure faith from people who want to believe vs the trial of reality. Well when such an occurrence as the sudden burst of mech in TvT in MLG Anaheim (after people consider it not to be viable simply because it isn't played much) has happened, I can believe in anything. Or in 2012 with mech finally being used in TvZ after being absent in GSL since virtually 2010. To me the amount of times a style is used isn't directly connected to how viable it is. So 4 years of pros randomly throwing it in and getting punished for it don't convince you.... alrighty then. Keep believing. Getting punished for what? Air/HT in HotS? For 4 years? If you're talking about WoL, Terran won in TvP with mech more often than lost. I found every single game and wrote the score down. The point is not popularity or if it's better than bio or not. If it can win, then that's what I consider to be viable. everything can win. 11/11/11 rax in the base of your enemy can win. And your TvP Wol stats are most likley based on the fact that people were just: "what the fuck... mech?" and then they died. It's viable as a standard (pro) strat when you can reliably win with it on highest level consistently against a practiced opponent.
If you say that, then the only thing that can be concluded is that there was no definitive answer whether it was viable or not. If you use that explanation for why it may have won in the past, then you could also use the explanation that people just haven't learned mech well enough yet. Which is definitely possible as not only happened in the TvT and TvZ incidents but with any style that emerges in any match-up.
Of course, we'll all have our own personal perspectives of why things are as they are, and I guess our definitions of viable are a bit different, so I'll agree to disagree. I don't think a strategy with a really low chance of winning counts as viable, but anything close to 50%, just to clarify. Or if a pro like Bbyong uses it a few times in a short time span and thus believes to some extent it has a good enough chance of winning.
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Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
Amgerd reckful went live ;o
Hurry up pro league xd
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On July 22 2014 20:36 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:36 Lorning wrote:On July 22 2014 20:34 Bowzar wrote:On July 22 2014 20:33 Calthrash wrote:
I wonder how many players will get fired from SKT if they lose They will just buy herO and CJ wont even make the playoffs next season. They also pick up Maru, sOs, TY and RorO. And then they'll still be mediocre in PL Mediocre? : P
for a team with 7 code S players kinda. Getting beaten by CJ in a bo3 (and thank the all kill round) would be awful.
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On July 22 2014 20:36 prabhbhambra13 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:34 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:33 Heartland wrote:On July 22 2014 20:32 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:30 Heartland wrote:On July 22 2014 20:29 purakushi wrote:On July 22 2014 20:28 sashkata wrote:
Happy we get an ace match, but now SKT has to win. We need telecom wars final. This. Only bad thing is, other than Fantasy who never gets to play, SKT is all Protoss and Zerg. =\ There's Bravo! They let gold slip out of their hands when they released Journey. Or Sacsri Has Journey done anything lately? Not really, but I'm optimistic for the future. Hopefully he can deliver here. Speaking of players that SKT dropped. Does anyone know if Sorry is on the SKT roster or not?
Apparently no reliable source could be found on that matter.
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Let's go CJ, I BELIEVE!!!!!!
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On July 22 2014 20:36 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:36 Lorning wrote:On July 22 2014 20:34 Bowzar wrote:On July 22 2014 20:33 Calthrash wrote:
I wonder how many players will get fired from SKT if they lose They will just buy herO and CJ wont even make the playoffs next season. They also pick up Maru, sOs, TY and RorO. And then they'll still be mediocre in PL Mediocre? : P
They should be winning every PL round with this lineup
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On July 22 2014 20:36 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:36 Lorning wrote:On July 22 2014 20:34 Bowzar wrote:On July 22 2014 20:33 Calthrash wrote:
I wonder how many players will get fired from SKT if they lose They will just buy herO and CJ wont even make the playoffs next season. They also pick up Maru, sOs, TY and RorO. And then they'll still be mediocre in PL Mediocre? : P
Gotta judge by PRIME standards.
(Sorry Lorning, this was too tempting.)
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Bisutopia19213 Posts
On July 22 2014 20:35 Heartland wrote:
Meanwhile Bisu streams BW
#worsethantasteless
#nopassion
You are banned from the church of Bisu.
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damn I almost forgot how crazy this soO vs Maru was
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On July 22 2014 20:38 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:36 Heartland wrote:On July 22 2014 20:36 Lorning wrote:On July 22 2014 20:34 Bowzar wrote:On July 22 2014 20:33 Calthrash wrote:
I wonder how many players will get fired from SKT if they lose They will just buy herO and CJ wont even make the playoffs next season. They also pick up Maru, sOs, TY and RorO. And then they'll still be mediocre in PL Mediocre? : P for a team with 7 code S players kinda. Getting beaten by CJ in a bo3 (and thank the all kill round) would be awful.
They should have won 4-0 but soO decided to throw.
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On July 22 2014 20:35 Heartland wrote:
Meanwhile Bisu streams BW
#worsethantasteless
#nopassion
Watching proleague ATM
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On July 22 2014 20:40 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:35 Heartland wrote:
Meanwhile Bisu streams BW
#worsethantasteless
#nopassion You are banned from the church of Bisu.
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Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
What we know will happen at the end of this game, there will be tears.....
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While you can maybe argue that the current performance is less than what they ought to be I think calling them mediocre is a bit.. much. Samsung Khan is mediocre.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On July 22 2014 20:36 prabhbhambra13 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:34 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:33 Heartland wrote:On July 22 2014 20:32 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:30 Heartland wrote:On July 22 2014 20:29 purakushi wrote:On July 22 2014 20:28 sashkata wrote:
Happy we get an ace match, but now SKT has to win. We need telecom wars final. This. Only bad thing is, other than Fantasy who never gets to play, SKT is all Protoss and Zerg. =\ There's Bravo! They let gold slip out of their hands when they released Journey. Or Sacsri Has Journey done anything lately? Not really, but I'm optimistic for the future. Hopefully he can deliver here. Speaking of players that SKT dropped. Does anyone know if Sorry is on the SKT roster or not?
He is
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On July 22 2014 20:40 Bowzar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:38 sAsImre wrote:On July 22 2014 20:36 Heartland wrote:On July 22 2014 20:36 Lorning wrote:On July 22 2014 20:34 Bowzar wrote:On July 22 2014 20:33 Calthrash wrote:
I wonder how many players will get fired from SKT if they lose They will just buy herO and CJ wont even make the playoffs next season. They also pick up Maru, sOs, TY and RorO. And then they'll still be mediocre in PL Mediocre? : P for a team with 7 code S players kinda. Getting beaten by CJ in a bo3 (and thank the all kill round) would be awful. They should have won 4-0 but soO decided to throw.
Soulkey and parting as well apparently.
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On July 22 2014 20:41 Pino wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:35 Heartland wrote:
Meanwhile Bisu streams BW
#worsethantasteless
#nopassion Watching proleague ATM
I take it all back!
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2 team's year of starcraft coming down to a pvp bo1... this is the stuff of nightmares
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On July 22 2014 20:28 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:26 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On July 22 2014 20:21 robson1 wrote:On July 22 2014 20:20 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On July 22 2014 20:17 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:11 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On July 22 2014 19:48 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 Exarl25 wrote:
It is viable. There is absolutely no chance in hell he would do the same thing 3 times on this map in such important games if it didn't have merit. Standard play fails too if your build isn't tight enough and you are slow on your transitions. If he got that AA up faster the game goes on. If he gets that AA up he still loses to the addition of Templars. Air/Templars wins everything in lategame TvP. Going to trust in the judgement of a team in the playoffs of Proleague over yours. Sure, the 0-2 record against answers that were not hilariously off speaks for itself. This is as silly as saying that a bio player losing 0-2 proves that bio isn't viable, just because his composition wasn't hilariously off. You were tricked and have 2 vikings too few to defend his colossi. You didn't scout ahead enough and ran into some storms. Etc. etc. In a pro game you can lose if anything is slightly off. That's common sense. You should know this. I also choose to trust a professional gamer who was comfortable enough to let the game go that long and do it 3 times and surely has a much better understanding of the game than you to say it's not viable. Believe if you want to believe. The day the mech:bio ratio isn't 500:1 anymore in high level Korean TvP, the conversations about the viability of mech can start. Until that's it's pure faith from people who want to believe vs the trial of reality. Well when such an occurrence as the sudden burst of mech in TvT in MLG Anaheim (after people consider it not to be viable simply because it isn't played much) has happened, I can believe in anything. Or in 2012 with mech finally being used in TvZ after being absent in GSL since virtually 2010. To me the amount of times a style is used isn't directly connected to how viable it is. So 4 years of pros randomly throwing it in and getting punished for it don't convince you.... alrighty then. Keep believing. Getting punished for what? Air/HT in HotS? For 4 years? If you're talking about WoL, Terran won in TvP with mech more often than lost. I found every single game in GSL and wrote the score down. The point is not popularity or if it's better than bio or not. If it can win, then that's what I consider to be viable. Again, that's like the people saying back in TvT and TvZ that mech isn't viable, because it's used so infrequently. There's such a thing as players not figuring something out until later. I'm okay with you saying that it's not impossible for mech to work. I'm not okay with Exarl saying "hey, we have to assume mech works, otherwise Bbyong wouldn't use it." That's what Dwf was answering to, and so maybe he didn't use the most precise phrasing he could have, but he's on the right side on this.
Well to me if something has a decent chance of working, I consider it working. And it seems it's the same with Exarl too, as he only said that it has "merit" (an unspecified amount). He pointed out some things Bbyong could have improved to win the game but thedwf dismissed it with a blanketing statement about lategame TvP. At least, this is how I was interpreting it. So perhaps part of the problem is in miscommunication there regarding the extent of it "working" as well as what "viable" means to each person
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herO already kicked out SKT with Rain as ace once in his career :o
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On July 22 2014 20:41 Heartland wrote:
While you can maybe argue that the current performance is less than what they ought to be I think calling them mediocre is a bit.. much. Samsung Khan is mediocre.
this game will weight a lot in the post season analysis, if Rain lose not sure how you can say they did worse than Khan when you take into account the rosters. (and Khan blew)
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Did SK Telecom Protoss stop using their old way of walling in PvP?
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Bisutopia19213 Posts
On July 22 2014 20:42 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:41 Pino wrote:On July 22 2014 20:35 Heartland wrote:
Meanwhile Bisu streams BW
#worsethantasteless
#nopassion Watching proleague ATM I take it all back!
So does Bisu. He would never turn his back on an SKT fan. All are welcome to the church. Mass tonight on my BW Weekly show later today! (shameless advertising)
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On July 22 2014 20:42 sharkie wrote:
herO already kicked out SKT with Rain as ace once in his career :o
Twice very soon.
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On July 22 2014 20:42 wl4d wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:40 Bowzar wrote:On July 22 2014 20:38 sAsImre wrote:On July 22 2014 20:36 Heartland wrote:On July 22 2014 20:36 Lorning wrote:On July 22 2014 20:34 Bowzar wrote:On July 22 2014 20:33 Calthrash wrote:
I wonder how many players will get fired from SKT if they lose They will just buy herO and CJ wont even make the playoffs next season. They also pick up Maru, sOs, TY and RorO. And then they'll still be mediocre in PL Mediocre? : P for a team with 7 code S players kinda. Getting beaten by CJ in a bo3 (and thank the all kill round) would be awful. They should have won 4-0 but soO decided to throw. Soulkey and parting as well apparently.
If they play standard I think they easily win, at least Soulkey does.
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On July 22 2014 20:42 Scarecrow wrote:
2 team's year of starcraft coming down to a pvp bo1... this is the stuff of nightmares
Let's hope it's going to be DT's.
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On July 22 2014 20:43 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:42 Heartland wrote:On July 22 2014 20:41 Pino wrote:On July 22 2014 20:35 Heartland wrote:
Meanwhile Bisu streams BW
#worsethantasteless
#nopassion Watching proleague ATM I take it all back! So does Bisu. He would never turn his back on an SKT fan. All are welcome to the church. Mass tonight on my BW Weekly show later today! (shameless advertising)
Thank you, archpope.
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On July 22 2014 20:43 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:42 Heartland wrote:On July 22 2014 20:41 Pino wrote:On July 22 2014 20:35 Heartland wrote:
Meanwhile Bisu streams BW
#worsethantasteless
#nopassion Watching proleague ATM I take it all back! So does Bisu. He would never turn his back on an SKT fan. All are welcome to the church. Mass tonight on my BW Weekly show later today! (shameless advertising)
Rain approves
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It would be so helpful if they'd show worker counts on gas in the early game
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wth herO
FAST EXPAND IN PVP IN THE ACE MATCH OF THE ACE MATCHES O.O
;_; ;_; ;_;
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Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
Well this isn't destined for a long game haha
Rain TC as soon as sees expansion
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Awww, no DT's.
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Umm.. Why on earth did Rain do that? :/
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Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
Oh shit
Cancelled robo
more stalkers
NOW DARK SHRINE
eek gl herO u need to scout!
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hahaha rain, just why????
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
CJ ARE GOING TO THE FINALS AISDAHGA
OR ARE THEY
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it was to check for DTs to determine if he needs to proxy robo
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GG
Now, KT has to win, so there will be some old fans (not to say there aren't any of the other teams).
edit: oh wait
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zealots should be a giveaway...
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Ok so I was right, DT's to decide it all :D
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WHY would you warp in in front of him???
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Omg if herO killed that pylon it would be GG
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Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
DAT MOFO SUPPLY BLOCK OMG
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losing the nexus supply blocked him
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yei... ace match, superhyped... coinflip moves win the game...
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Was herO supply blocked 50/50 right when the Robo finished?
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SKT VS KT FINALS DREAMS NOT CRUSHED
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RAINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!!!!11
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supply block of the year ;(
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Damn herO.
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omg, i don't think rain deserves this victory but this is pvp.
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OMG YES YES YES SKT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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What an intense way to end three days of games
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It's over.... lol
Sad that it came down to PvP. Wolf overhyping the shit out of surprise dt's.
Wolf's favorite game of all time.... wtf .... it wasn't even that close
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Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
Poll: Recommend Ace MatchExcellent Game (48) 81% Bad Game (7) 12% Meh Game (3) 5% Good Game (1) 2% 59 total votes Your vote: Recommend Ace Match (Vote): Excellent Game
(Vote): Good Game
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Wow, this was a great game
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On July 22 2014 20:50 Big J wrote:
yei... ace match, superhyped... coinflip moves win the game...
This was not a coinflip situation, this was a "herO what the fuck do you think you are doing????" situation
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dts :'(. Well lucking into the finals talks a lot about SKT strength haha.
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Great way to finish a great 3-day match. Well done, Rain!
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poor herO
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Austria24417 Posts
RAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
I love you so much
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the cancel on the robo may be the reason he lost?
really maybe?
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
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Australia18228 Posts
Almost as good as INno vs SuperNova
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I don't ever think I've seen Rain that happy
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I don't like PvP but this kind of game is perfect for the decisive game of a bo7. Now can someone explain me the point of herO's fast expand?
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Not cool. Not cool at all.
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Said yesterday, saying it again : you(re not funny Rain, you're not funny!
#disgrunted
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Oov is like "thank god I saved my job"
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Rain 4-0 in playoffs, so good! :D
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SO CLOSE, but SK Telecom T1 is going to the Han River!
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On July 22 2014 20:51 TheDwf wrote:
I don't like PvP but this kind of game is perfect for the decisive game of a bo7. Now can someone explain me the point of herO's fast expand?
To give Rain a free win?
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sorry cj fans. You put up a good fight
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PvP fast expands has been losing games since the beginning of starcraft -.-
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That was a really cool game.
Perfect way to finish off the day and the series.
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SKT SKT SKT SKT SKT SKT SKT SKT SKT SKT SKT SKT SKT SKT SKT SKT
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
On July 22 2014 20:50 Pandemona wrote:Poll: Recommend Ace MatchExcellent Game (48) 81% Bad Game (7) 12% Meh Game (3) 5% Good Game (1) 2% 59 total votes Your vote: Recommend Ace Match (Vote): Excellent Game
(Vote): Good Game
(Vote): Meh Game
(Vote): Bad Game
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Ah damn it TT Oh well, I guess its better for general hype that SKT made it to the finals. Poor CJ though, they put up such a great fight. Whatever the case, I hope the 2nd semifinal lives up to the awesomeness of this one. Proleague is seriously the most hype tournament for me there is right now!
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Amazing game CJ. Too bad skt had to face you guys. CJ my second favorite team. Amazing series.
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man brandon...
Rain didnt know if herO had a robo or not but he had to gamble -.-
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Bisutopia19213 Posts
RAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SK Telecom to the finals baby!!!!!!!
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On July 22 2014 20:44 iNsaNe- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:42 Scarecrow wrote:
2 team's year of starcraft coming down to a pvp bo1... this is the stuff of nightmares Let's hope it's going to be DT's.
:7
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No Gumi, no chance.
Great effort by CJ though.
Can't wait for next week. Hopefully it'll be just as good!
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On July 22 2014 20:53 Zealously wrote:
Jesus shit I am so upset
sorry man :/
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That was some great casting by Wolf in the final fight.
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What an amazing fucking beautiful play by rain
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So the sacrifice of the MC was to check if any robo was being warped?
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Well played Rain....... sad for CJ, they came so far T_T
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On July 22 2014 20:53 Gwavajuice wrote:
So the sacrifice of the MC was to check if any robo was being warped?
no just a huge blunder.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
On July 22 2014 20:53 Zealously wrote:
Jesus shit I am so upset
Was tremendously unlucky though.
Cancelled robo which was the right thing to do to squeeze more stalkers out.
Perfectly blocks DT when it came with stalker ramp and overcharge.
Then robo is up to get supply blocked because was to busy holding on for dear life and his nexus died.
Such such bad luck
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Russian Federation145 Posts
On July 22 2014 20:41 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:40 BisuDagger wrote:On July 22 2014 20:35 Heartland wrote:
Meanwhile Bisu streams BW
#worsethantasteless
#nopassion You are banned from the church of Bisu.
BIsu is watching it on stream
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CJ went from 7th place in Round 1 to a single map short of the finals. They should be proud of the performance that they put up this season.
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On July 22 2014 20:53 Gwavajuice wrote:
So the sacrifice of the MC was to check if any robo was being warped?
No, MSC suicide was a bop
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Bisutopia19213 Posts
On July 22 2014 20:53 Zealously wrote:
Jesus shit I am so upset
Rofl. Just make that quote the headline for the recap article please.
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On July 22 2014 20:51 TheDwf wrote:
I don't like PvP but this kind of game is perfect for the decisive game of a bo7. Now can someone explain me the point of herO's fast expand?
he forces rain to be agressive. he knows everything he has to do is to defend this nexus and he has this game pretty much because he has double probe production. rain knew it as well, he went to kill the nexus, realised it's not going to happen and his last possibility was the dark shrine, which won him the game
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I want it to be, but if it is a KT vs SKT finals, it's a conspiracy to get more people to come out. XD
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On July 22 2014 20:53 Gwavajuice wrote:
So the sacrifice of the MC was to check if any robo was being warped?
maybe looking for a dt shrine
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man what a great series, either way
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
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We're going to the Floating Island.
SKT best KT
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wtf canata with the sandals....
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On July 22 2014 20:54 Undead1993 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:51 TheDwf wrote:
I don't like PvP but this kind of game is perfect for the decisive game of a bo7. Now can someone explain me the point of herO's fast expand? he forces rain to be agressive. he knows everything he has to do is to defend this nexus and he has this game pretty much because he has double probe production. rain knew it as well, he went to kill the nexus, realised it's not going to happen and his last possibility was the dark shrine, which won him the game
Surely Rain could have expanded as well given how early the Nexus was built and scouted?
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On July 22 2014 20:55 GTR wrote:
nice pants canata
Ready for the finals
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Wow Canata looks so happy . True SKT!
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On July 22 2014 18:54 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 18:44 ilikeredheads wrote:
No sojung
No GG girls
why am i even watching????? Now you got me worried; Has anyone seen Barbie yet!?
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Oh my god how is this Korean caster dressed? ROFLMAO
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Are these the pants the casters wear behind the desk always? lol
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On July 22 2014 20:56 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:54 Undead1993 wrote:On July 22 2014 20:51 TheDwf wrote:
I don't like PvP but this kind of game is perfect for the decisive game of a bo7. Now can someone explain me the point of herO's fast expand? he forces rain to be agressive. he knows everything he has to do is to defend this nexus and he has this game pretty much because he has double probe production. rain knew it as well, he went to kill the nexus, realised it's not going to happen and his last possibility was the dark shrine, which won him the game Surely Rain could have expanded as well given how early the Nexus was built and scouted?
Yeah, but once you're set on your path of tech then you usually don't deviate
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Suit jacket, tie, shorts, sandals. I have no name for this outfit.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
Right GGs!
Full Recap
Full LR thread
all complete, ill slack on VODs as i need to go get my car washed and go post office/banking which going take like 1hour cuz bank and post office suck.
Grats SKT
Ul CJ, like seriously ul
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Belgica34432 Posts
Prime beat SKT the last time they met, so if Prime was standing here, they'd be in the finals right now
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Bisutopia19213 Posts
Did Oov get hit in the face with something during the celebration?
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On July 22 2014 20:56 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:54 Undead1993 wrote:On July 22 2014 20:51 TheDwf wrote:
I don't like PvP but this kind of game is perfect for the decisive game of a bo7. Now can someone explain me the point of herO's fast expand? he forces rain to be agressive. he knows everything he has to do is to defend this nexus and he has this game pretty much because he has double probe production. rain knew it as well, he went to kill the nexus, realised it's not going to happen and his last possibility was the dark shrine, which won him the game Surely Rain could have expanded as well given how early the Nexus was built and scouted?
No need. PvP fast expand is almost an auto loss
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On July 22 2014 20:56 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:54 Undead1993 wrote:On July 22 2014 20:51 TheDwf wrote:
I don't like PvP but this kind of game is perfect for the decisive game of a bo7. Now can someone explain me the point of herO's fast expand? he forces rain to be agressive. he knows everything he has to do is to defend this nexus and he has this game pretty much because he has double probe production. rain knew it as well, he went to kill the nexus, realised it's not going to happen and his last possibility was the dark shrine, which won him the game Surely Rain could have expanded as well given how early the Nexus was built and scouted?
Yea but then herO has the potential to do a lot of damage when he pushes with his Blink.
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On July 22 2014 20:56 Pino wrote:Wow Canata looks so happy . True SKT!
I was thinking the same thing,true SKT fan indeed
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Bisutopia19213 Posts
On July 22 2014 20:57 Pandemona wrote:
Right GGs!
Full Recap
Full LR thread
all complete, ill slack on VODs as i need to go get my car washed and go post office/banking which going take like 1hour cuz bank and post office suck.
Grats SKT
Ul CJ, like seriously ul
Thanks Pandemona.
Now to prepare my hype banner for the finals. SKT bias whaiting!
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Austria24417 Posts
On July 22 2014 20:57 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:56 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:54 Undead1993 wrote:On July 22 2014 20:51 TheDwf wrote:
I don't like PvP but this kind of game is perfect for the decisive game of a bo7. Now can someone explain me the point of herO's fast expand? he forces rain to be agressive. he knows everything he has to do is to defend this nexus and he has this game pretty much because he has double probe production. rain knew it as well, he went to kill the nexus, realised it's not going to happen and his last possibility was the dark shrine, which won him the game Surely Rain could have expanded as well given how early the Nexus was built and scouted? No need. PvP fast expand is almost an auto loss
That's just wrong.
Rain had two options: expand and be behind or attack and be basically all in (he needs to break the nexus and not lose his army to be even/ahead)
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Bbyong looking like he's gonna fucking murder Rain in his sleep tonight at the SKT house LOOOOL
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Fantasy is the secret prophet of TvP mech?
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damn, rain rubbing it in on bbyong
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sojung should've been casting along with wolf and brendan.
or did wolf creep her out? lol
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Woah so much trash talk, do these team hate each other that much?
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On July 22 2014 20:58 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:57 sharkie wrote:On July 22 2014 20:56 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:54 Undead1993 wrote:On July 22 2014 20:51 TheDwf wrote:
I don't like PvP but this kind of game is perfect for the decisive game of a bo7. Now can someone explain me the point of herO's fast expand? he forces rain to be agressive. he knows everything he has to do is to defend this nexus and he has this game pretty much because he has double probe production. rain knew it as well, he went to kill the nexus, realised it's not going to happen and his last possibility was the dark shrine, which won him the game Surely Rain could have expanded as well given how early the Nexus was built and scouted? No need. PvP fast expand is almost an auto loss That's just wrong. Rain had two options: expand and be behind or attack and be basically all in (he needs to break the nexus and not lose his army to be even/ahead)
I am sure a huge majority of fast expand PvPs have been losses.
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On July 22 2014 20:58 Lunareste wrote:
Bbyong looking like he's gonna fucking murder Rain in his sleep tonight at the SKT house LOOOOL
Lol yeah. I half expected him to fling something at rain on stage.
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Mute City2363 Posts
my heart is broken
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hate to break it to you rain, but KT isn't beating Jin Air
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Im not upset since CJ put up great fight instead of choking horribly in the PO like they used to do. At least the outlook of a telecom derby grand final doesnt look so bad, and a FvF maybe. Gj T1
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
So Bbyong actually meched again on Outboxer against Protoss?
That's just stupid
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Austria24417 Posts
On July 22 2014 20:58 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:58 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 22 2014 20:57 sharkie wrote:On July 22 2014 20:56 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:54 Undead1993 wrote:On July 22 2014 20:51 TheDwf wrote:
I don't like PvP but this kind of game is perfect for the decisive game of a bo7. Now can someone explain me the point of herO's fast expand? he forces rain to be agressive. he knows everything he has to do is to defend this nexus and he has this game pretty much because he has double probe production. rain knew it as well, he went to kill the nexus, realised it's not going to happen and his last possibility was the dark shrine, which won him the game Surely Rain could have expanded as well given how early the Nexus was built and scouted? No need. PvP fast expand is almost an auto loss That's just wrong. Rain had two options: expand and be behind or attack and be basically all in (he needs to break the nexus and not lose his army to be even/ahead) I am sure a huge majority of fast expand PvPs have been losses.
That says just about nothing about how viable they are.
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On July 22 2014 20:56 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:56 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:54 Undead1993 wrote:On July 22 2014 20:51 TheDwf wrote:
I don't like PvP but this kind of game is perfect for the decisive game of a bo7. Now can someone explain me the point of herO's fast expand? he forces rain to be agressive. he knows everything he has to do is to defend this nexus and he has this game pretty much because he has double probe production. rain knew it as well, he went to kill the nexus, realised it's not going to happen and his last possibility was the dark shrine, which won him the game Surely Rain could have expanded as well given how early the Nexus was built and scouted? Yeah, but once you're set on your path of tech then you usually don't deviate
Yeah, I mean before the Council; unless my memory fails me Rain's Probe scouted the Nexus, then he decided to go Council to all-in. That's what I don't understand with herO's decision to fast expand, to me it seems it gives Rain two options: a) reactively expand himself for an even game; b) reactively all-in with the tech of his choice.
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On July 22 2014 20:56 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:54 Undead1993 wrote:On July 22 2014 20:51 TheDwf wrote:
I don't like PvP but this kind of game is perfect for the decisive game of a bo7. Now can someone explain me the point of herO's fast expand? he forces rain to be agressive. he knows everything he has to do is to defend this nexus and he has this game pretty much because he has double probe production. rain knew it as well, he went to kill the nexus, realised it's not going to happen and his last possibility was the dark shrine, which won him the game Surely Rain could have expanded as well given how early the Nexus was built and scouted?
he can but then he is behind anyway, it's tough in pvp, rain could have gone for other things but these are most of the time mind games. the best out is just to try and end it there.
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On July 22 2014 20:58 jekku wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:58 Lunareste wrote:
Bbyong looking like he's gonna fucking murder Rain in his sleep tonight at the SKT house LOOOOL Lol yeah. I half expected him to fling something at rain on stage.
Went AFK for a bit, what'd he say?
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I like the fact that he keeps bringing facts from sc1 era.so nice
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On July 22 2014 20:59 Arceus wrote:
Im not upset since CJ put up great fight instead of choking horribly in the PO like they used to do. At least the outlook of a telecom derby grand final doesnt look so bad, and a FvF maybe. Gj T1
I think the days of CJ choking in the playoffs are behind them. You guys did win mutant/hybrid proleague . So i dont think that distinction holds anymore.
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On July 22 2014 20:58 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:58 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 22 2014 20:57 sharkie wrote:On July 22 2014 20:56 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:54 Undead1993 wrote:On July 22 2014 20:51 TheDwf wrote:
I don't like PvP but this kind of game is perfect for the decisive game of a bo7. Now can someone explain me the point of herO's fast expand? he forces rain to be agressive. he knows everything he has to do is to defend this nexus and he has this game pretty much because he has double probe production. rain knew it as well, he went to kill the nexus, realised it's not going to happen and his last possibility was the dark shrine, which won him the game Surely Rain could have expanded as well given how early the Nexus was built and scouted? No need. PvP fast expand is almost an auto loss That's just wrong. Rain had two options: expand and be behind or attack and be basically all in (he needs to break the nexus and not lose his army to be even/ahead) I am sure a huge majority of fast expand PvPs have been losses.
I think it's part of the rock-paper-scissor-spock-twilight-stargate-robo thing. The nex+robo build should usually hold the three-gate Blink and maybe the four-gate. Should win vs DT. Up to micro vs SG, lose to some Gateway attacks, etc
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On July 22 2014 21:00 lastride wrote:
I like the fact that he keeps bringing facts from sc1 era.so nice
uh, canata was a former player for skt so the interview is much more laid back than if barbie did it.
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On July 22 2014 20:59 purakushi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:58 jekku wrote:On July 22 2014 20:58 Lunareste wrote:
Bbyong looking like he's gonna fucking murder Rain in his sleep tonight at the SKT house LOOOOL Lol yeah. I half expected him to fling something at rain on stage. Went AFK for a bit, what'd he say?
Mech so strong, Bbyong using a bad build.
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On July 22 2014 20:59 purakushi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:58 jekku wrote:On July 22 2014 20:58 Lunareste wrote:
Bbyong looking like he's gonna fucking murder Rain in his sleep tonight at the SKT house LOOOOL Lol yeah. I half expected him to fling something at rain on stage. Went AFK for a bit, what'd he say?
Pretty much that fantasy was playing well with mech in practice and that bbyong didnt play it play well at all (as the camera was on bbyong glaring at him )
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On July 22 2014 20:59 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:56 Heartland wrote:On July 22 2014 20:56 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:54 Undead1993 wrote:On July 22 2014 20:51 TheDwf wrote:
I don't like PvP but this kind of game is perfect for the decisive game of a bo7. Now can someone explain me the point of herO's fast expand? he forces rain to be agressive. he knows everything he has to do is to defend this nexus and he has this game pretty much because he has double probe production. rain knew it as well, he went to kill the nexus, realised it's not going to happen and his last possibility was the dark shrine, which won him the game Surely Rain could have expanded as well given how early the Nexus was built and scouted? Yeah, but once you're set on your path of tech then you usually don't deviate Yeah, I mean before the Council; unless my memory fails me Rain's Probe scouted the Nexus, then he decided to go Council to all-in. That's what I don't understand with herO's decision to fast expand, to me it seems it gives Rain two options: a) reactively expand himself for an even game; b) reactively all-in with the tech of his choice.
Yeah. Usually you go Robo to fight off Stalkers and DTs with immo/obs. Surprised to see him go Blink
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On July 22 2014 20:57 Lorning wrote:
Prime beat SKT the last time they met, so if Prime was standing here, they'd be in the finals right now
And IM 3-0 Cj! Should have been IM vs Prime semi in all honesty
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On July 22 2014 20:59 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:58 sharkie wrote:On July 22 2014 20:58 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 22 2014 20:57 sharkie wrote:On July 22 2014 20:56 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:54 Undead1993 wrote:On July 22 2014 20:51 TheDwf wrote:
I don't like PvP but this kind of game is perfect for the decisive game of a bo7. Now can someone explain me the point of herO's fast expand? he forces rain to be agressive. he knows everything he has to do is to defend this nexus and he has this game pretty much because he has double probe production. rain knew it as well, he went to kill the nexus, realised it's not going to happen and his last possibility was the dark shrine, which won him the game Surely Rain could have expanded as well given how early the Nexus was built and scouted? No need. PvP fast expand is almost an auto loss That's just wrong. Rain had two options: expand and be behind or attack and be basically all in (he needs to break the nexus and not lose his army to be even/ahead) I am sure a huge majority of fast expand PvPs have been losses. That says just about nothing about how viable they are.
Really? Why not?
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On July 22 2014 21:00 Thrillz wrote:
No sojung for this? T.T
Where's Barbie!?
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Austria24417 Posts
On July 22 2014 20:59 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:56 Heartland wrote:On July 22 2014 20:56 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:54 Undead1993 wrote:On July 22 2014 20:51 TheDwf wrote:
I don't like PvP but this kind of game is perfect for the decisive game of a bo7. Now can someone explain me the point of herO's fast expand? he forces rain to be agressive. he knows everything he has to do is to defend this nexus and he has this game pretty much because he has double probe production. rain knew it as well, he went to kill the nexus, realised it's not going to happen and his last possibility was the dark shrine, which won him the game Surely Rain could have expanded as well given how early the Nexus was built and scouted? Yeah, but once you're set on your path of tech then you usually don't deviate Yeah, I mean before the Council; unless my memory fails me Rain's Probe scouted the Nexus, then he decided to go Council to all-in. That's what I don't understand with herO's decision to fast expand, to me it seems it gives Rain two options: a) reactively expand himself for an even game; b) reactively all-in with the tech of his choice.
The thing with fast expand PvPs is that you always get tech behind it really fast. So it forces the opponent to either take a slightly behind spot (tech won't be far ahead, expand will be behind) or all in where, even if they kill the nexus, the game doesn't necessarily end. They might not even be ahead if they kill the nexus.
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On July 22 2014 20:58 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:57 sharkie wrote:On July 22 2014 20:56 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:54 Undead1993 wrote:On July 22 2014 20:51 TheDwf wrote:
I don't like PvP but this kind of game is perfect for the decisive game of a bo7. Now can someone explain me the point of herO's fast expand? he forces rain to be agressive. he knows everything he has to do is to defend this nexus and he has this game pretty much because he has double probe production. rain knew it as well, he went to kill the nexus, realised it's not going to happen and his last possibility was the dark shrine, which won him the game Surely Rain could have expanded as well given how early the Nexus was built and scouted? No need. PvP fast expand is almost an auto loss That's just wrong. Rain had two options: expand and be behind or attack and be basically all in (he needs to break the nexus and not lose his army to be even/ahead)
Why would he be behind? Just because his Nexus timing would be later or is there something else?
On July 22 2014 21:01 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:59 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:56 Heartland wrote:On July 22 2014 20:56 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:54 Undead1993 wrote:On July 22 2014 20:51 TheDwf wrote:
I don't like PvP but this kind of game is perfect for the decisive game of a bo7. Now can someone explain me the point of herO's fast expand? he forces rain to be agressive. he knows everything he has to do is to defend this nexus and he has this game pretty much because he has double probe production. rain knew it as well, he went to kill the nexus, realised it's not going to happen and his last possibility was the dark shrine, which won him the game Surely Rain could have expanded as well given how early the Nexus was built and scouted? Yeah, but once you're set on your path of tech then you usually don't deviate Yeah, I mean before the Council; unless my memory fails me Rain's Probe scouted the Nexus, then he decided to go Council to all-in. That's what I don't understand with herO's decision to fast expand, to me it seems it gives Rain two options: a) reactively expand himself for an even game; b) reactively all-in with the tech of his choice. The thing with fast expand PvPs is that you always get tech behind it really fast. So it forces the opponent to either take a slightly behind spot (tech won't be far ahead, expand will be behind) or all in where, even if they kill the nexus, the game doesn't necessarily end. They might not even be ahead if they kill the nexus.
OK thanks.
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Bisutopia19213 Posts
When mech gets a buff in LoTV and hellions/hellbats get the vulture transformation and spider mine upgrade, then Fantasy will be the best terran again.
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On July 22 2014 21:01 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:59 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:56 Heartland wrote:On July 22 2014 20:56 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:54 Undead1993 wrote:On July 22 2014 20:51 TheDwf wrote:
I don't like PvP but this kind of game is perfect for the decisive game of a bo7. Now can someone explain me the point of herO's fast expand? he forces rain to be agressive. he knows everything he has to do is to defend this nexus and he has this game pretty much because he has double probe production. rain knew it as well, he went to kill the nexus, realised it's not going to happen and his last possibility was the dark shrine, which won him the game Surely Rain could have expanded as well given how early the Nexus was built and scouted? Yeah, but once you're set on your path of tech then you usually don't deviate Yeah, I mean before the Council; unless my memory fails me Rain's Probe scouted the Nexus, then he decided to go Council to all-in. That's what I don't understand with herO's decision to fast expand, to me it seems it gives Rain two options: a) reactively expand himself for an even game; b) reactively all-in with the tech of his choice. The thing with fast expand PvPs is that you always get tech behind it really fast. So it forces the opponent to either take a slightly behind spot (tech won't be far ahead, expand will be behind) or all in where, even if they kill the nexus, the game doesn't necessarily end. They might not even be ahead if they kill the nexus.
This doesn't make sense.
The one pulling an all in has more probes, faster tech and more units and the fast expander has lost 400 minerals
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On July 22 2014 21:02 BisuDagger wrote:
When mech gets a buff in LoTV and hellions/hellbats get the vulture transformation and spider mine upgrade, then Fantasy will be the second best terran again.
Fixed that for you
Breaks my heart to type that...
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Still, even if we won this bo3 this and the last playoffs are really worrying. The best team in sc2 isn't supposed to go to the very ace like this. Whoever comes to the grand finals has a real good shot at winning. Hoping for Jin Air because I cheer for them after SK Telecom, but KT vs SKT is a classic that everyone will love. Good vs evil. Light vs darkness.
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On July 22 2014 21:03 Lunareste wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 21:02 BisuDagger wrote:
When mech gets a buff in LoTV and hellions/hellbats get the vulture transformation and spider mine upgrade, then Fantasy will be the second best terran again. Fixed that for you Breaks my heart to type that...
I doubt Mvp will be King again.
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Belgica34432 Posts
Wow, Canata asking the real questions
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On July 22 2014 21:02 BisuDagger wrote:
When mech gets a buff in LoTV and hellions/hellbats get the vulture transformation and spider mine upgrade, then Fantasy will be the best terran again.
You misspelled Flash.
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"skt t1 is known for their quality zerg players"
well didn't think i'd ever hear that in my lifetime.
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Austria24417 Posts
On July 22 2014 21:01 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:59 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 22 2014 20:58 sharkie wrote:On July 22 2014 20:58 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 22 2014 20:57 sharkie wrote:On July 22 2014 20:56 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:54 Undead1993 wrote:On July 22 2014 20:51 TheDwf wrote:
I don't like PvP but this kind of game is perfect for the decisive game of a bo7. Now can someone explain me the point of herO's fast expand? he forces rain to be agressive. he knows everything he has to do is to defend this nexus and he has this game pretty much because he has double probe production. rain knew it as well, he went to kill the nexus, realised it's not going to happen and his last possibility was the dark shrine, which won him the game Surely Rain could have expanded as well given how early the Nexus was built and scouted? No need. PvP fast expand is almost an auto loss That's just wrong. Rain had two options: expand and be behind or attack and be basically all in (he needs to break the nexus and not lose his army to be even/ahead) I am sure a huge majority of fast expand PvPs have been losses. That says just about nothing about how viable they are. Really? Why not?
Because PvP is a very volatile matchup where everything has weaknesses. There was a period of time when every time someone did 3gate blink they'd die to a 3gate attack before blink was done. 3gate blink is still probably the most common PvP build though and it's perfectly viable. It just got countered a lot. If something gets countered often in broadcasted games it can still be perfectly viable.
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Oov trying to set a record for longest interview ever?
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On July 22 2014 21:04 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 21:02 BisuDagger wrote:
When mech gets a buff in LoTV and hellions/hellbats get the vulture transformation and spider mine upgrade, then Fantasy will be the best terran again. You misspelled Flash.
You mean MarineKing?
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On July 22 2014 21:03 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 21:01 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 22 2014 20:59 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:56 Heartland wrote:On July 22 2014 20:56 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:54 Undead1993 wrote:On July 22 2014 20:51 TheDwf wrote:
I don't like PvP but this kind of game is perfect for the decisive game of a bo7. Now can someone explain me the point of herO's fast expand? he forces rain to be agressive. he knows everything he has to do is to defend this nexus and he has this game pretty much because he has double probe production. rain knew it as well, he went to kill the nexus, realised it's not going to happen and his last possibility was the dark shrine, which won him the game Surely Rain could have expanded as well given how early the Nexus was built and scouted? Yeah, but once you're set on your path of tech then you usually don't deviate Yeah, I mean before the Council; unless my memory fails me Rain's Probe scouted the Nexus, then he decided to go Council to all-in. That's what I don't understand with herO's decision to fast expand, to me it seems it gives Rain two options: a) reactively expand himself for an even game; b) reactively all-in with the tech of his choice. The thing with fast expand PvPs is that you always get tech behind it really fast. So it forces the opponent to either take a slightly behind spot (tech won't be far ahead, expand will be behind) or all in where, even if they kill the nexus, the game doesn't necessarily end. They might not even be ahead if they kill the nexus. This doesn't make sense. The one pulling an all in has more probes, faster tech and more units and the fast expander has lost 400 minerals
Probe count was 25 to 22 in Rain's favor but herO had as many units.
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On July 22 2014 21:01 Penev wrote:Where's Barbie!?
None apparently.
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On July 22 2014 21:06 Thrillz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 21:01 Penev wrote:On July 22 2014 21:00 Thrillz wrote:
No sojung for this? T.T Where's Barbie!? Both not there T.T
I can hear sojung tho
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Bisutopia19213 Posts
On July 22 2014 21:03 Lunareste wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 21:02 BisuDagger wrote:
When mech gets a buff in LoTV and hellions/hellbats get the vulture transformation and spider mine upgrade, then Fantasy will be the second best terran again. Fixed that for you Breaks my heart to type that...
Some of you SKT fans are breaking my heart. This is the latest elo ranking for SC1. Flash isn't even top two. What a scrub.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/x7qZgjp.png)
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On July 22 2014 21:04 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 21:03 Lunareste wrote:On July 22 2014 21:02 BisuDagger wrote:
When mech gets a buff in LoTV and hellions/hellbats get the vulture transformation and spider mine upgrade, then Fantasy will be the second best terran again. Fixed that for you Breaks my heart to type that... I doubt Mvp will be King again.
Flash, son.
Flash.
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On July 22 2014 21:06 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 21:03 Lunareste wrote:On July 22 2014 21:02 BisuDagger wrote:
When mech gets a buff in LoTV and hellions/hellbats get the vulture transformation and spider mine upgrade, then Fantasy will be the second best terran again. Fixed that for you Breaks my heart to type that... Some of you SKT fans are breaking my heart. This is the latest elo ranking for SC1. Flash isn't even top two. What a scrub. + Show Spoiler +
That Flash peak tho
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On July 22 2014 21:05 Lorning wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 21:04 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 21:02 BisuDagger wrote:
When mech gets a buff in LoTV and hellions/hellbats get the vulture transformation and spider mine upgrade, then Fantasy will be the best terran again. You misspelled Flash. You mean MarineKing?
+ Show Spoiler +
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On July 22 2014 21:05 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 21:03 sharkie wrote:On July 22 2014 21:01 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 22 2014 20:59 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:56 Heartland wrote:On July 22 2014 20:56 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:54 Undead1993 wrote:On July 22 2014 20:51 TheDwf wrote:
I don't like PvP but this kind of game is perfect for the decisive game of a bo7. Now can someone explain me the point of herO's fast expand? he forces rain to be agressive. he knows everything he has to do is to defend this nexus and he has this game pretty much because he has double probe production. rain knew it as well, he went to kill the nexus, realised it's not going to happen and his last possibility was the dark shrine, which won him the game Surely Rain could have expanded as well given how early the Nexus was built and scouted? Yeah, but once you're set on your path of tech then you usually don't deviate Yeah, I mean before the Council; unless my memory fails me Rain's Probe scouted the Nexus, then he decided to go Council to all-in. That's what I don't understand with herO's decision to fast expand, to me it seems it gives Rain two options: a) reactively expand himself for an even game; b) reactively all-in with the tech of his choice. The thing with fast expand PvPs is that you always get tech behind it really fast. So it forces the opponent to either take a slightly behind spot (tech won't be far ahead, expand will be behind) or all in where, even if they kill the nexus, the game doesn't necessarily end. They might not even be ahead if they kill the nexus. This doesn't make sense. The one pulling an all in has more probes, faster tech and more units and the fast expander has lost 400 minerals Probe count was 25 to 22 in Rain's favor but herO had as many units.
Rain lost a msc, built a dt shrine (meaning no time warps, no NO, less resources to spend on stalkers) and still won the fight outside herO's natural...
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On July 22 2014 21:06 Lorning wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 21:06 Thrillz wrote:On July 22 2014 21:01 Penev wrote:On July 22 2014 21:00 Thrillz wrote:
No sojung for this? T.T Where's Barbie!? Both not there T.T I can hear sojung tho
Yeah I can hear her lol.
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Austria24417 Posts
On July 22 2014 21:03 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 21:01 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 22 2014 20:59 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:56 Heartland wrote:On July 22 2014 20:56 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:54 Undead1993 wrote:On July 22 2014 20:51 TheDwf wrote:
I don't like PvP but this kind of game is perfect for the decisive game of a bo7. Now can someone explain me the point of herO's fast expand? he forces rain to be agressive. he knows everything he has to do is to defend this nexus and he has this game pretty much because he has double probe production. rain knew it as well, he went to kill the nexus, realised it's not going to happen and his last possibility was the dark shrine, which won him the game Surely Rain could have expanded as well given how early the Nexus was built and scouted? Yeah, but once you're set on your path of tech then you usually don't deviate Yeah, I mean before the Council; unless my memory fails me Rain's Probe scouted the Nexus, then he decided to go Council to all-in. That's what I don't understand with herO's decision to fast expand, to me it seems it gives Rain two options: a) reactively expand himself for an even game; b) reactively all-in with the tech of his choice. The thing with fast expand PvPs is that you always get tech behind it really fast. So it forces the opponent to either take a slightly behind spot (tech won't be far ahead, expand will be behind) or all in where, even if they kill the nexus, the game doesn't necessarily end. They might not even be ahead if they kill the nexus. This doesn't make sense. The one pulling an all in has more probes, faster tech and more units and the fast expander has lost 400 minerals
The probe count is usually quite even because the all inner cuts probe production. Tech is NOT much faster as you saw this game. herO's blink finished only slightly after Rain's and his unit count was even as well. And, of course, he's got defender's advantage with overcharge.
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Still a good showing from CJ I think.
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Bisutopia19213 Posts
On July 22 2014 21:07 Lorning wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 21:06 BisuDagger wrote:On July 22 2014 21:03 Lunareste wrote:On July 22 2014 21:02 BisuDagger wrote:
When mech gets a buff in LoTV and hellions/hellbats get the vulture transformation and spider mine upgrade, then Fantasy will be the second best terran again. Fixed that for you Breaks my heart to type that... Some of you SKT fans are breaking my heart. This is the latest elo ranking for SC1. Flash isn't even top two. What a scrub. + Show Spoiler + That Flash peak tho
Yeah peaked right into double loss to Bisu and Fantasy in the greatest PL finals of all time. I'm still smiling from it.
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On July 22 2014 21:08 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 21:07 Lorning wrote:On July 22 2014 21:06 BisuDagger wrote:On July 22 2014 21:03 Lunareste wrote:On July 22 2014 21:02 BisuDagger wrote:
When mech gets a buff in LoTV and hellions/hellbats get the vulture transformation and spider mine upgrade, then Fantasy will be the second best terran again. Fixed that for you Breaks my heart to type that... Some of you SKT fans are breaking my heart. This is the latest elo ranking for SC1. Flash isn't even top two. What a scrub. + Show Spoiler + That Flash peak tho Yeah peaked right into double loss to Bisu and Fantasy in the greatest PL finals of all time. I'm still smiling from it.
Soon we will see Zealots gut Flash in the ace again : )
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On July 22 2014 20:53 BisuDagger wrote:
RAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SK Telecom to the finals baby!!!!!!!
Yeah, Rain too good, he is the only player in these three nights to not lose a game he went 4-0, best player on SKT confirmed.
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Yeah, good showing for CJ. They have a lot of character in their team
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Damn bw nostalgia hit me seeing canata and oov together with all the fangirls screeming.
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On July 22 2014 21:08 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 21:07 Lorning wrote:On July 22 2014 21:06 BisuDagger wrote:On July 22 2014 21:03 Lunareste wrote:On July 22 2014 21:02 BisuDagger wrote:
When mech gets a buff in LoTV and hellions/hellbats get the vulture transformation and spider mine upgrade, then Fantasy will be the second best terran again. Fixed that for you Breaks my heart to type that... Some of you SKT fans are breaking my heart. This is the latest elo ranking for SC1. Flash isn't even top two. What a scrub. + Show Spoiler + That Flash peak tho Yeah peaked right into double loss to Bisu and Fantasy in the greatest PL finals of all time. I'm still smiling from it.
Oh god, he was so sad after that TT
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Allright, there is always next year from CJ. With effort on top from the get go and bunny as well they could really get an awesome year.
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Bisutopia19213 Posts
On July 22 2014 21:08 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 21:08 BisuDagger wrote:On July 22 2014 21:07 Lorning wrote:On July 22 2014 21:06 BisuDagger wrote:On July 22 2014 21:03 Lunareste wrote:On July 22 2014 21:02 BisuDagger wrote:
When mech gets a buff in LoTV and hellions/hellbats get the vulture transformation and spider mine upgrade, then Fantasy will be the second best terran again. Fixed that for you Breaks my heart to type that... Some of you SKT fans are breaking my heart. This is the latest elo ranking for SC1. Flash isn't even top two. What a scrub. + Show Spoiler + That Flash peak tho Yeah peaked right into double loss to Bisu and Fantasy in the greatest PL finals of all time. I'm still smiling from it. Soon we will see Zealots gut Flash in the ace again : )
Indeed. Happy Zealot club ho!
On July 22 2014 21:08 MiniFotToss wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:53 BisuDagger wrote:
RAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SK Telecom to the finals baby!!!!!!! Yeah, Rain too good, he is the only player in these three nights to not lose a game he went 4-0, best player on SKT confirmed.
I gotta say, Rain has finally beaten his playoffs curse. It's good to see.
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Bisutopia19213 Posts
On July 22 2014 21:10 wl4d wrote:
Allright, there is always next year from CJ. With effort on top from the get go and bunny as well they could really get an awesome year.
Gotta give major credit to Coach Park too. He did that much with a team that doesn't have quite the star power of SKT1 when he was there. It's very impressive.
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On July 22 2014 21:07 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 21:03 sharkie wrote:On July 22 2014 21:01 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 22 2014 20:59 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:56 Heartland wrote:On July 22 2014 20:56 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:54 Undead1993 wrote:On July 22 2014 20:51 TheDwf wrote:
I don't like PvP but this kind of game is perfect for the decisive game of a bo7. Now can someone explain me the point of herO's fast expand? he forces rain to be agressive. he knows everything he has to do is to defend this nexus and he has this game pretty much because he has double probe production. rain knew it as well, he went to kill the nexus, realised it's not going to happen and his last possibility was the dark shrine, which won him the game Surely Rain could have expanded as well given how early the Nexus was built and scouted? Yeah, but once you're set on your path of tech then you usually don't deviate Yeah, I mean before the Council; unless my memory fails me Rain's Probe scouted the Nexus, then he decided to go Council to all-in. That's what I don't understand with herO's decision to fast expand, to me it seems it gives Rain two options: a) reactively expand himself for an even game; b) reactively all-in with the tech of his choice. The thing with fast expand PvPs is that you always get tech behind it really fast. So it forces the opponent to either take a slightly behind spot (tech won't be far ahead, expand will be behind) or all in where, even if they kill the nexus, the game doesn't necessarily end. They might not even be ahead if they kill the nexus. This doesn't make sense. The one pulling an all in has more probes, faster tech and more units and the fast expander has lost 400 minerals The probe count is usually quite even because the all inner cuts probe production. Tech is NOT much faster as you saw this game. herO's blink finished only slightly after Rain's and his unit count was even as well. And, of course, he's got defender's advantage with overcharge.
The unit count isn't even.
Rain was building a dt shrine, lost his msc and still won a fight with DAMAGED stalkers outside herO's natural...
The last fight before the dt warpin shows all thats wrong with fast expands...
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Man what a close series, 3 days with several heart-breaking moments
Glad Rain made it through, but CJ was still so close
Wonder why they were lacking of manner lately? for more intense??
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On July 22 2014 21:07 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 21:05 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 21:03 sharkie wrote:On July 22 2014 21:01 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 22 2014 20:59 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:56 Heartland wrote:On July 22 2014 20:56 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:54 Undead1993 wrote:On July 22 2014 20:51 TheDwf wrote:
I don't like PvP but this kind of game is perfect for the decisive game of a bo7. Now can someone explain me the point of herO's fast expand? he forces rain to be agressive. he knows everything he has to do is to defend this nexus and he has this game pretty much because he has double probe production. rain knew it as well, he went to kill the nexus, realised it's not going to happen and his last possibility was the dark shrine, which won him the game Surely Rain could have expanded as well given how early the Nexus was built and scouted? Yeah, but once you're set on your path of tech then you usually don't deviate Yeah, I mean before the Council; unless my memory fails me Rain's Probe scouted the Nexus, then he decided to go Council to all-in. That's what I don't understand with herO's decision to fast expand, to me it seems it gives Rain two options: a) reactively expand himself for an even game; b) reactively all-in with the tech of his choice. The thing with fast expand PvPs is that you always get tech behind it really fast. So it forces the opponent to either take a slightly behind spot (tech won't be far ahead, expand will be behind) or all in where, even if they kill the nexus, the game doesn't necessarily end. They might not even be ahead if they kill the nexus. This doesn't make sense. The one pulling an all in has more probes, faster tech and more units and the fast expander has lost 400 minerals Probe count was 25 to 22 in Rain's favor but herO had as many units. Rain lost a msc, built a dt shrine (meaning no time warps, no NO, less resources to spend on stalkers) and still won the fight outside herO's natural...
#micro
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On July 22 2014 21:12 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 21:07 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 22 2014 21:03 sharkie wrote:On July 22 2014 21:01 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 22 2014 20:59 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:56 Heartland wrote:On July 22 2014 20:56 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:54 Undead1993 wrote:On July 22 2014 20:51 TheDwf wrote:
I don't like PvP but this kind of game is perfect for the decisive game of a bo7. Now can someone explain me the point of herO's fast expand? he forces rain to be agressive. he knows everything he has to do is to defend this nexus and he has this game pretty much because he has double probe production. rain knew it as well, he went to kill the nexus, realised it's not going to happen and his last possibility was the dark shrine, which won him the game Surely Rain could have expanded as well given how early the Nexus was built and scouted? Yeah, but once you're set on your path of tech then you usually don't deviate Yeah, I mean before the Council; unless my memory fails me Rain's Probe scouted the Nexus, then he decided to go Council to all-in. That's what I don't understand with herO's decision to fast expand, to me it seems it gives Rain two options: a) reactively expand himself for an even game; b) reactively all-in with the tech of his choice. The thing with fast expand PvPs is that you always get tech behind it really fast. So it forces the opponent to either take a slightly behind spot (tech won't be far ahead, expand will be behind) or all in where, even if they kill the nexus, the game doesn't necessarily end. They might not even be ahead if they kill the nexus. This doesn't make sense. The one pulling an all in has more probes, faster tech and more units and the fast expander has lost 400 minerals The probe count is usually quite even because the all inner cuts probe production. Tech is NOT much faster as you saw this game. herO's blink finished only slightly after Rain's and his unit count was even as well. And, of course, he's got defender's advantage with overcharge. The unit count isn't even. Rain was building a dt shrine, lost his msc and still won a fight with DAMAGED stalkers outside herO's natural... The last fight before the dt warpin shows all thats wrong with fast expands...
From memory Rain built the Dark shrine after a 3 Stalkers warp-in, which means he could not have spent the extra gas without extra production anyway. He didn't rebuild his MSC either.
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On July 22 2014 19:10 BisuDagger wrote
I gotta say, Rain has finally beaten his playoffs curse. It's good to see.
Oh I thought during the old broodwar time Rain had been unbeaten in playoffs
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Austria24417 Posts
On July 22 2014 21:12 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 21:07 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 22 2014 21:03 sharkie wrote:On July 22 2014 21:01 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 22 2014 20:59 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:56 Heartland wrote:On July 22 2014 20:56 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:54 Undead1993 wrote:On July 22 2014 20:51 TheDwf wrote:
I don't like PvP but this kind of game is perfect for the decisive game of a bo7. Now can someone explain me the point of herO's fast expand? he forces rain to be agressive. he knows everything he has to do is to defend this nexus and he has this game pretty much because he has double probe production. rain knew it as well, he went to kill the nexus, realised it's not going to happen and his last possibility was the dark shrine, which won him the game Surely Rain could have expanded as well given how early the Nexus was built and scouted? Yeah, but once you're set on your path of tech then you usually don't deviate Yeah, I mean before the Council; unless my memory fails me Rain's Probe scouted the Nexus, then he decided to go Council to all-in. That's what I don't understand with herO's decision to fast expand, to me it seems it gives Rain two options: a) reactively expand himself for an even game; b) reactively all-in with the tech of his choice. The thing with fast expand PvPs is that you always get tech behind it really fast. So it forces the opponent to either take a slightly behind spot (tech won't be far ahead, expand will be behind) or all in where, even if they kill the nexus, the game doesn't necessarily end. They might not even be ahead if they kill the nexus. This doesn't make sense. The one pulling an all in has more probes, faster tech and more units and the fast expander has lost 400 minerals The probe count is usually quite even because the all inner cuts probe production. Tech is NOT much faster as you saw this game. herO's blink finished only slightly after Rain's and his unit count was even as well. And, of course, he's got defender's advantage with overcharge. The unit count isn't even. Rain was building a dt shrine, lost his msc and still won a fight with DAMAGED stalkers outside herO's natural... The last fight before the dt warpin shows all thats wrong with fast expands...
On July 22 2014 20:51 Pandemona wrote:
11 vs 11 stalkers
DARK SHRINE COMPLETES!!
ROBO STARTS AS DT WARPED IN
herO cancelled his robo because he thought he needed more units, then got supply blocked when it mattered most. Had he made the right calls, he would've won the game.
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Bisutopia19213 Posts
On July 22 2014 21:15 Kurte_Idumin wrote:Oh I thought during the old broodwar time Rain had been unbeaten in playoffs
Since hybrid proleague, rain has had one of the worst playoff records for SKT. This year he shows his growth!
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
Jin air vs KT rosters will be revealed on Friday
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
On July 22 2014 21:16 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 21:12 sharkie wrote:On July 22 2014 21:07 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 22 2014 21:03 sharkie wrote:On July 22 2014 21:01 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 22 2014 20:59 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:56 Heartland wrote:On July 22 2014 20:56 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:54 Undead1993 wrote:On July 22 2014 20:51 TheDwf wrote:
I don't like PvP but this kind of game is perfect for the decisive game of a bo7. Now can someone explain me the point of herO's fast expand? he forces rain to be agressive. he knows everything he has to do is to defend this nexus and he has this game pretty much because he has double probe production. rain knew it as well, he went to kill the nexus, realised it's not going to happen and his last possibility was the dark shrine, which won him the game Surely Rain could have expanded as well given how early the Nexus was built and scouted? Yeah, but once you're set on your path of tech then you usually don't deviate Yeah, I mean before the Council; unless my memory fails me Rain's Probe scouted the Nexus, then he decided to go Council to all-in. That's what I don't understand with herO's decision to fast expand, to me it seems it gives Rain two options: a) reactively expand himself for an even game; b) reactively all-in with the tech of his choice. The thing with fast expand PvPs is that you always get tech behind it really fast. So it forces the opponent to either take a slightly behind spot (tech won't be far ahead, expand will be behind) or all in where, even if they kill the nexus, the game doesn't necessarily end. They might not even be ahead if they kill the nexus. This doesn't make sense. The one pulling an all in has more probes, faster tech and more units and the fast expander has lost 400 minerals The probe count is usually quite even because the all inner cuts probe production. Tech is NOT much faster as you saw this game. herO's blink finished only slightly after Rain's and his unit count was even as well. And, of course, he's got defender's advantage with overcharge. The unit count isn't even. Rain was building a dt shrine, lost his msc and still won a fight with DAMAGED stalkers outside herO's natural... The last fight before the dt warpin shows all thats wrong with fast expands... Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:51 Pandemona wrote:
11 vs 11 stalkers
DARK SHRINE COMPLETES!!
ROBO STARTS AS DT WARPED IN
herO cancelled his robo because he thought he needed more units, then got supply blocked when it mattered most. Had he made the right calls, he would've won the game.
Yeah he cancelled the robo ages ago? He didn't cancel the 2nd robo? Well if he did i missed that one xD
He got supply blocked when he needed the Obs?
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We really need to ask Rain but im pretty sure he sacrificed his mothership to see if herO had a robo or no.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
VODs are up and updated in OP
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Wow GJ by SKT but well played by CJ bringing it to the last game!
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
iloveoov and PartinG hugging Rain in the end with soO smiling in 32 teeth is just best thing i've seen whole season.
What a team.
Gg, floating island is going to be our <3
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If it's not included in the last game's VOD is there a way to watch the winner's interview? Apart from subscribing and watching on TwitchVOD
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
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Dziękuję which means thank you
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That was just a sick series! Hopefully, KT vs. Jin Air will be just as good. Rooting for Jin Air.
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Damn, some really good games in these games between SKT and CJ. Shame that CJ was so close to winning, but failed at the very end. Looking forward to Jin Air vs KT!
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On July 23 2014 01:53 MosART wrote:
That was just a sick series! Hopefully, KT vs. Jin Air will be just as good. Rooting for Jin Air.
Yeah absolutely insane how close it was. I leaned more towards SKT but would have been fine with CJ advancing as well, just for the fighting spirit and massive improvement they showed over the course of the whole season.
Jin Air would be great in the finals too, but thanks to the massive SKT/KT rivalry I think KT advancing would be the most hype combo
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
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The sad part is that I doubt we're going to see any series as good as this for the rest of the postseason
Jin Air's B-Team is way better than KT's, and SKT is gonna drub Jin Air, and Jin Air's coach isn't Coach Park so I'm not expecting any killer snipe builds.
I don't wanna be pessimistic/egotistic but it's just a bummer that what feels like SKT's closest competitor with current form in mind is out before the finals T-T
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United States97276 Posts
On July 23 2014 10:05 GTPGlitch wrote:The sad part is that I doubt we're going to see any series as good as this for the rest of the postseason Jin Air's B-Team is way better than KT's, and SKT is gonna drub Jin Air, and Jin Air's coach isn't Coach Park so I'm not expecting any killer snipe builds. I don't wanna be pessimistic/egotistic but it's just a bummer that what feels like SKT's closest competitor with current form in mind is out before the finals T-T
Jin Air's coach is Ryu Won
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On July 23 2014 10:05 GTPGlitch wrote:The sad part is that I doubt we're going to see any series as good as this for the rest of the postseason Jin Air's B-Team is way better than KT's, and SKT is gonna drub Jin Air, and Jin Air's coach isn't Coach Park so I'm not expecting any killer snipe builds. I don't wanna be pessimistic/egotistic but it's just a bummer that what feels like SKT's closest competitor with current form in mind is out before the finals T-T
When you have arguably top-3 for every race in your team and other Code S players like Rogue/Cure are not your top-3, you're ok.
So Ryu Won will have his shot in finals.
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36961 Posts
SK
TELECOM
MOTHER
FUCKING
T1
RAIN!!!!
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36961 Posts
Rofl... Translation of Rain's winner interview:
I practiced against mech by playing against FanTaSy hyung. But as it turned, Bbyong's mech was worse than FanTaSy hyung's so the win was rather easy compared to practice.
SHOTS = FIRED and FanTaSy is SKT's next hope apparently.
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Coach Park is an idiot. Hush goes nexus first and loses. Bbyong goes that stupid mech build for a third time. And then with everything on the line, early expand in PvP. He might be good at developing talent but his gameplans sucked big time.
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On July 24 2014 01:08 WhiteZetsu wrote:
Coach Park is an idiot. Hush goes nexus first and loses. Bbyong goes that stupid mech build for a third time. And then with everything on the line, early expand in PvP. He might be good at developing talent but his gameplans sucked big time.
Yeah, this loss has to be blamed on coaching staff
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Jin Air B team ? what did i miss ? is Jin Air not going with their full rosteR ?
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On July 24 2014 01:42 Faruko wrote:
Jin Air B team ? what did i miss ? is Jin Air not going with their full rosteR ?
What are you talking about?
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On July 24 2014 01:08 WhiteZetsu wrote:
Coach Park is an idiot. Hush goes nexus first and loses. Bbyong goes that stupid mech build for a third time. And then with everything on the line, early expand in PvP. He might be good at developing talent but his gameplans sucked big time.
Coach WhiteZetsu is much better (I did get a laugh when you complained about 15 Nexus 15 Gate in PvZ lol).
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your Country52797 Posts
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