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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
July 22 2014 13:01 GMT
#861
On July 22 2014 21:16 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2014 21:12 sharkie wrote:
On July 22 2014 21:07 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On July 22 2014 21:03 sharkie wrote:
On July 22 2014 21:01 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On July 22 2014 20:59 TheDwf wrote:
On July 22 2014 20:56 Heartland wrote:
On July 22 2014 20:56 TheDwf wrote:
On July 22 2014 20:54 Undead1993 wrote:
On July 22 2014 20:51 TheDwf wrote:
I don't like PvP but this kind of game is perfect for the decisive game of a bo7. Now can someone explain me the point of herO's fast expand?

he forces rain to be agressive. he knows everything he has to do is to defend this nexus and he has this game pretty much because he has double probe production. rain knew it as well, he went to kill the nexus, realised it's not going to happen and his last possibility was the dark shrine, which won him the game

Surely Rain could have expanded as well given how early the Nexus was built and scouted?


Yeah, but once you're set on your path of tech then you usually don't deviate

Yeah, I mean before the Council; unless my memory fails me Rain's Probe scouted the Nexus, then he decided to go Council to all-in. That's what I don't understand with herO's decision to fast expand, to me it seems it gives Rain two options: a) reactively expand himself for an even game; b) reactively all-in with the tech of his choice.


The thing with fast expand PvPs is that you always get tech behind it really fast. So it forces the opponent to either take a slightly behind spot (tech won't be far ahead, expand will be behind) or all in where, even if they kill the nexus, the game doesn't necessarily end. They might not even be ahead if they kill the nexus.


This doesn't make sense.
The one pulling an all in has more probes, faster tech and more units and the fast expander has lost 400 minerals


The probe count is usually quite even because the all inner cuts probe production. Tech is NOT much faster as you saw this game. herO's blink finished only slightly after Rain's and his unit count was even as well. And, of course, he's got defender's advantage with overcharge.


The unit count isn't even.
Rain was building a dt shrine, lost his msc and still won a fight with DAMAGED stalkers outside herO's natural...

The last fight before the dt warpin shows all thats wrong with fast expands...


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On July 22 2014 20:51 Pandemona wrote:

11 vs 11 stalkers
DARK SHRINE COMPLETES!!
ROBO STARTS AS DT WARPED IN



herO cancelled his robo because he thought he needed more units, then got supply blocked when it mattered most. Had he made the right calls, he would've won the game.


Yeah he cancelled the robo ages ago? He didn't cancel the 2nd robo? Well if he did i missed that one xD
He got supply blocked when he needed the Obs?
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Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34171 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-22 15:07:40
July 22 2014 15:01 GMT
#862
We really need to ask Rain but im pretty sure he sacrificed his mothership to see if herO had a robo or no.
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
July 22 2014 15:17 GMT
#863
VODs are up and updated in OP
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vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
July 22 2014 15:55 GMT
#864
Wow GJ by SKT but well played by CJ bringing it to the last game!
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-22 16:21:17
July 22 2014 16:20 GMT
#865
iloveoov and PartinG hugging Rain in the end with soO smiling in 32 teeth is just best thing i've seen whole season.
What a team.

Gg, floating island is going to be our <3
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McRatyn
Profile Joined January 2013
Poland901 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-22 16:37:40
July 22 2014 16:37 GMT
#866
If it's not included in the last game's VOD is there a way to watch the winner's interview? Apart from subscribing and watching on TwitchVOD
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
July 22 2014 16:44 GMT
#867
On July 23 2014 01:37 McRatyn wrote:
If it's not included in the last game's VOD is there a way to watch the winner's interview? Apart from subscribing and watching on TwitchVOD

They usually upload the interview here: https://www.youtube.com/user/ESportsTV/videos?view=0&sort=dd&shelf_id=1
But it's not up yet
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McRatyn
Profile Joined January 2013
Poland901 Posts
July 22 2014 16:52 GMT
#868
On July 23 2014 01:44 Lorning wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 01:37 McRatyn wrote:
If it's not included in the last game's VOD is there a way to watch the winner's interview? Apart from subscribing and watching on TwitchVOD

They usually upload the interview here: https://www.youtube.com/user/ESportsTV/videos?view=0&sort=dd&shelf_id=1
But it's not up yet


Dziękuję which means thank you
MosART
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1899 Posts
July 22 2014 16:53 GMT
#869
That was just a sick series! Hopefully, KT vs. Jin Air will be just as good. Rooting for Jin Air.
Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
July 22 2014 18:32 GMT
#870
Damn, some really good games in these games between SKT and CJ. Shame that CJ was so close to winning, but failed at the very end. Looking forward to Jin Air vs KT!
Flash | Mvp
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8588 Posts
July 22 2014 19:04 GMT
#871
On July 23 2014 01:53 MosART wrote:
That was just a sick series! Hopefully, KT vs. Jin Air will be just as good. Rooting for Jin Air.


Yeah absolutely insane how close it was. I leaned more towards SKT but would have been fine with CJ advancing as well, just for the fighting spirit and massive improvement they showed over the course of the whole season.

Jin Air would be great in the finals too, but thanks to the massive SKT/KT rivalry I think KT advancing would be the most hype combo
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
July 22 2014 20:01 GMT
#872
Passion gravely injured
AdministratorBreak the chains
GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
July 23 2014 01:05 GMT
#873
The sad part is that I doubt we're going to see any series as good as this for the rest of the postseason

Jin Air's B-Team is way better than KT's, and SKT is gonna drub Jin Air, and Jin Air's coach isn't Coach Park so I'm not expecting any killer snipe builds.

I don't wanna be pessimistic/egotistic but it's just a bummer that what feels like SKT's closest competitor with current form in mind is out before the finals T-T
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
July 23 2014 01:05 GMT
#874
On July 23 2014 10:05 GTPGlitch wrote:
The sad part is that I doubt we're going to see any series as good as this for the rest of the postseason

Jin Air's B-Team is way better than KT's, and SKT is gonna drub Jin Air, and Jin Air's coach isn't Coach Park so I'm not expecting any killer snipe builds.

I don't wanna be pessimistic/egotistic but it's just a bummer that what feels like SKT's closest competitor with current form in mind is out before the finals T-T

Jin Air's coach is Ryu Won
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oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
July 23 2014 01:26 GMT
#875
On July 23 2014 10:05 GTPGlitch wrote:
The sad part is that I doubt we're going to see any series as good as this for the rest of the postseason

Jin Air's B-Team is way better than KT's, and SKT is gonna drub Jin Air, and Jin Air's coach isn't Coach Park so I'm not expecting any killer snipe builds.

I don't wanna be pessimistic/egotistic but it's just a bummer that what feels like SKT's closest competitor with current form in mind is out before the finals T-T


When you have arguably top-3 for every race in your team and other Code S players like Rogue/Cure are not your top-3, you're ok.

So Ryu Won will have his shot in finals.
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Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37033 Posts
July 23 2014 02:50 GMT
#876
SK
TELECOM
MOTHER
FUCKING
T1
RAIN!!!!
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37033 Posts
July 23 2014 03:44 GMT
#877
Rofl... Translation of Rain's winner interview:

I practiced against mech by playing against FanTaSy hyung. But as it turned, Bbyong's mech was worse than FanTaSy hyung's so the win was rather easy compared to practice.

SHOTS = FIRED and FanTaSy is SKT's next hope apparently.
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WhiteZetsu
Profile Joined June 2014
11 Posts
July 23 2014 16:08 GMT
#878
Coach Park is an idiot. Hush goes nexus first and loses. Bbyong goes that stupid mech build for a third time. And then with everything on the line, early expand in PvP. He might be good at developing talent but his gameplans sucked big time.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18473 Posts
July 23 2014 16:25 GMT
#879
On July 24 2014 01:08 WhiteZetsu wrote:
Coach Park is an idiot. Hush goes nexus first and loses. Bbyong goes that stupid mech build for a third time. And then with everything on the line, early expand in PvP. He might be good at developing talent but his gameplans sucked big time.


Yeah, this loss has to be blamed on coaching staff
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34171 Posts
July 23 2014 16:42 GMT
#880
Jin Air B team ? what did i miss ? is Jin Air not going with their full rosteR ?
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
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