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United States23455 Posts
On June 04 2014 22:11 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2014 22:10 Darkhorse wrote:On June 04 2014 22:09 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 04 2014 22:08 Lorning wrote:On June 04 2014 22:07 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 04 2014 22:07 boxerfred wrote:On June 04 2014 22:05 GumBa wrote:On June 04 2014 22:05 lichter wrote:On June 04 2014 22:04 GumBa wrote:On June 04 2014 22:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:
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I do enjoy PvZ a lot if it involves lots of tech switching. Muta corruptor is the exact opposite though. There's just a giant blob of corruptors flying around all game, protecting mutas until someone messes up. Yesyes, infestors. Now that's just as obnoxious as it gets, adding fungal into that D: All I understood was I like PvZ when HerO wins You forgot "PvP is better than TvT" That as well Just for the fun of it, can someone quote a DLO quote up where he defends PVP? What about this one right here PvP is a super intelligent matchup where almost any unit has its place and can be useful. How much more intelligent is it than TvT? Very How dare you. HAHAHAHAHA
Something funny boi?!
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On June 04 2014 22:06 Ramiz1989 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2014 22:04 stuchiu wrote:On June 04 2014 22:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 04 2014 21:59 GumBa wrote:On June 04 2014 21:58 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Great game by Paralyze. Not feeling too bad for Life... I hate muta/corruptor D: You hate everything thats not PvP though I do enjoy PvZ a lot if it involves lots of tech switching. Muta corruptor is the exact opposite though. There's just a giant blob of corruptors flying around all game, protecting mutas until someone messes up. Yesyes, infestors. Now that's just as obnoxious as it gets, adding fungal into that D: Tech switching is dead. Its either muta/corruptor or SH/Corruptor/Spore/Viper. Or Roach/Ling/Hydra/Vipers, or Hydra/Lings into Mutas, or Ultras/Queens/Infestors/Vipers into Mass Mutas, or mass Corruptors/Mutas into mass Swarm Hosts, or....
Tech switching is not the same as teching up. Also,mass muta switches only work if you're opponent is way behind, has no infrastructure or gets caught completely unawares.
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
On June 04 2014 22:11 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2014 22:11 GumBa wrote:On June 04 2014 22:10 Darkhorse wrote:On June 04 2014 22:09 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 04 2014 22:08 Lorning wrote:On June 04 2014 22:07 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 04 2014 22:07 boxerfred wrote:On June 04 2014 22:05 GumBa wrote:On June 04 2014 22:05 lichter wrote:On June 04 2014 22:04 GumBa wrote:
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All I understood was I like PvZ when HerO wins You forgot "PvP is better than TvT" That as well Just for the fun of it, can someone quote a DLO quote up where he defends PVP? What about this one right here PvP is a super intelligent matchup where almost any unit has its place and can be useful. How much more intelligent is it than TvT? Very How dare you. HAHAHAHAHA Something funny boi?!
DLO, boyo
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On June 04 2014 22:10 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2014 22:09 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 04 2014 22:07 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 04 2014 22:07 boxerfred wrote:On June 04 2014 22:05 GumBa wrote:On June 04 2014 22:05 lichter wrote:On June 04 2014 22:04 GumBa wrote:On June 04 2014 22:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 04 2014 21:59 GumBa wrote:On June 04 2014 21:58 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Great game by Paralyze. Not feeling too bad for Life... I hate muta/corruptor D: You hate everything thats not PvP though I do enjoy PvZ a lot if it involves lots of tech switching. Muta corruptor is the exact opposite though. There's just a giant blob of corruptors flying around all game, protecting mutas until someone messes up. Yesyes, infestors. Now that's just as obnoxious as it gets, adding fungal into that D: All I understood was I like PvZ when HerO wins You forgot "PvP is better than TvT" That as well Just for the fun of it, can someone quote a DLO quote up where he defends PVP? What about this one right here PvP is a super intelligent matchup where almost any unit has its place and can be useful. Every mirror match up is like that DLO. The last ZvZ I saw was 60 roaches vs 65 roaches. With burrow.
Ok and what's your point?
The last PvP I saw was decided by a concave of Immortals vs a convex of Immortals. It's the exact same dynamic just with filler units.
Doesn't change the fact that ZvZ can be played in a huge variety of ways even though the dominant strategy in Korean televised matches is Roach v Roach.
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
On June 04 2014 22:14 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2014 22:10 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 04 2014 22:09 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 04 2014 22:07 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 04 2014 22:07 boxerfred wrote:On June 04 2014 22:05 GumBa wrote:On June 04 2014 22:05 lichter wrote:On June 04 2014 22:04 GumBa wrote:On June 04 2014 22:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 04 2014 21:59 GumBa wrote:
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You hate everything thats not PvP though I do enjoy PvZ a lot if it involves lots of tech switching. Muta corruptor is the exact opposite though. There's just a giant blob of corruptors flying around all game, protecting mutas until someone messes up. Yesyes, infestors. Now that's just as obnoxious as it gets, adding fungal into that D: All I understood was I like PvZ when HerO wins You forgot "PvP is better than TvT" That as well Just for the fun of it, can someone quote a DLO quote up where he defends PVP? What about this one right here PvP is a super intelligent matchup where almost any unit has its place and can be useful. Every mirror match up is like that DLO. The last ZvZ I saw was 60 roaches vs 65 roaches. With burrow. Ok and what's your point? The last PvP I saw was decided by a concave of Immortals vs a convex of Immortals. It's the exact same dynamic just with filler units. Doesn't change the fact that ZvZ can be played in a huge variety of ways even though the dominant strategy in Korean televised matches is Roach v Roach.
Are you trolling? I can't quite tell
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
I'd weigh in with my expert opinion but I enjoy watching Olli argue
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God damnit how is Paralyze still in Code S? Ugh Life was close.
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Sad for Rain, but happy for Afrotoss.
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On June 04 2014 22:08 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2014 22:07 Lorning wrote:On June 04 2014 22:07 boxerfred wrote:On June 04 2014 22:05 GumBa wrote:On June 04 2014 22:05 lichter wrote:On June 04 2014 22:04 GumBa wrote:On June 04 2014 22:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 04 2014 21:59 GumBa wrote:On June 04 2014 21:58 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Great game by Paralyze. Not feeling too bad for Life... I hate muta/corruptor D: You hate everything thats not PvP though I do enjoy PvZ a lot if it involves lots of tech switching. Muta corruptor is the exact opposite though. There's just a giant blob of corruptors flying around all game, protecting mutas until someone messes up. Yesyes, infestors. Now that's just as obnoxious as it gets, adding fungal into that D: All I understood was I like PvZ when HerO wins You forgot "PvP is better than TvT" That as well Just for the fun of it, can someone quote a DLO quote up where he defends PVP? Which one? I got a million of them The best one!
Here are some, actually really easy to find cause 99% of Olli's post are about HerO or PvP
+ Show Spoiler +On March 12 2014 19:32 DarkLordOlli wrote:
PVP RULES On March 12 2014 18:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Sitting in an internet cafe at 10am to watch a PvP group
Life without internet is terrible On March 16 2014 05:33 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 05:32 stuchiu wrote:On March 16 2014 05:30 DarkLordOlli wrote:On March 16 2014 05:29 Dinotramp wrote:On March 16 2014 05:29 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
I have no problem of PvP final and never had.
But maybe after after San vs herO more people would understand that PvP is the best mirror mu better than tvt, what are you smoking? The truth You may like it more and there may be great games from it but MMA vs Gumiho and Innovation vs Taeja will live on forever. Only cause the internet hivemind doesn't understand the intricacies of PvP On March 19 2014 18:37 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 18:35 Lorning wrote:
I don't get it Olli, how can you love this match up Because it's fun. This game could've gone either way but Zest's defensive execution was PERFECT No other matchup puts you on the spot like PvP does. On March 19 2014 18:02 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Why hallo there, I stayed at home for more PvP. Man do I love protoss On March 21 2014 19:35 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I want the PvP finals. On March 26 2014 06:33 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I still don't like TvT nearly as much as PvP D: On April 24 2014 18:37 DarkLordOlli wrote:
PvP is wonderful On April 28 2014 19:46 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 19:45 Heartland wrote:
these are my favourite kind of LRs : ) Yeah, I enjoy PvP too On May 03 2014 02:31 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Yes, PvP love. On May 18 2014 19:08 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2014 19:07 Zealously wrote:On May 18 2014 19:07 aZealot wrote:On May 18 2014 19:05 Zealously wrote:On May 18 2014 19:02 TheDwf wrote:On May 18 2014 18:58 Zealously wrote:On May 18 2014 18:57 TheDwf wrote:On May 18 2014 18:57 ReMinD_ wrote:
How did that happen? Ok, herO lost all his Collosi, but for whatever reason Flash flew his CC to those Stalkers. 22 SCVs vs. 45 probes, 2 base vs. 2 base. MULEs + Flash's exceptional macro. Don't be silly everyone knows you can't have exceptional macro in SC2 → Insert random phrase about how everyone can have good macro in SC2. I'm always surprised when people seriously claim that there is no difference in macro between someone like Flash or Bomber and a lower tier foreign Terran or something, it feels kind of obvious that there is. It's probably something to do with SC2 being a no-skill game or something. Literally just a coinflip Except for PvP On May 21 2014 03:22 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 03:20 Squat wrote:On May 21 2014 03:17 Nebuchad wrote:On May 21 2014 03:07 Squat wrote:
That's what happens when you stack lots of terrans in a group, you get great games. Funny how that works. That's what happens when a race you like has many matches, you like the matches. Funny how that works. How many people do you know that dislike TvT? Best mirror by far, maybe best MU period. Not even best mirror, PvP beats it. I stand by it. On September 25 2013 21:38 DarkLordOlli wrote:
PvP probably has the widest range of viable builds, strategies and tech routes out of any matchup. Every unit has a role in PvP. It's pretty cool. On November 16 2013 23:56 DarkLordOlli wrote:
This game is a prime example of why I prefer PvP over TvT On February 02 2014 03:25 DarkLordOlli wrote:
PvP is really fun at the highest level On February 08 2014 08:42 DarkLordOlli wrote:
PvP is a great matchup, haters gon hate On February 09 2014 09:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 08:57 stuchiu wrote:On February 09 2014 08:56 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 09 2014 08:55 Paljas wrote:On February 09 2014 08:46 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 09 2014 08:45 Paljas wrote:On February 09 2014 08:44 Yorkie wrote:On February 09 2014 08:43 stuchiu wrote:On February 09 2014 08:40 DarkLordOlli wrote: HerO 0 - 1  viOLet10pool gamble on Frost caught HerO's nexus first 10 POOL IS THE TRUTH Nexus first gamble gets caught by God of all Builds 10 pool. Yeah except it was blind. if HerO had spawned in the bottom left Violet would have lost instantly the nexus first was blind too, no? There's no forge opening as protoss that doesn't put you behind if zerg doesn't early pool. So you might say that protoss always has to gamble a bit vs zerg with the openings. or he could just go gateway first Then viOLet can gamble on a 3hatch before pool (like he did successfully this game). I've always wondered. Naniwa called Duckdeok a coin flipper, but when he did it himself, he called it mindgames. What is the difference? The difference is that PvP is about flipping coins and you can flip them responsibly or carelessly.
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All we need is pre-patch hellbats, BL-infestor and 4-gate back!
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Classic and Paralyze advanced. Zest must be really happy... so am I :D
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Preview predictions was about right this time. :D
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Paralyze should get to play some PL game now. He's earned it.
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Austria24417 Posts
On June 04 2014 22:14 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2014 22:10 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 04 2014 22:09 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 04 2014 22:07 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 04 2014 22:07 boxerfred wrote:On June 04 2014 22:05 GumBa wrote:On June 04 2014 22:05 lichter wrote:On June 04 2014 22:04 GumBa wrote:On June 04 2014 22:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 04 2014 21:59 GumBa wrote:
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You hate everything thats not PvP though I do enjoy PvZ a lot if it involves lots of tech switching. Muta corruptor is the exact opposite though. There's just a giant blob of corruptors flying around all game, protecting mutas until someone messes up. Yesyes, infestors. Now that's just as obnoxious as it gets, adding fungal into that D: All I understood was I like PvZ when HerO wins You forgot "PvP is better than TvT" That as well Just for the fun of it, can someone quote a DLO quote up where he defends PVP? What about this one right here PvP is a super intelligent matchup where almost any unit has its place and can be useful. Every mirror match up is like that DLO. The last ZvZ I saw was 60 roaches vs 65 roaches. With burrow. Ok and what's your point? The last PvP I saw was decided by a concave of Immortals vs a convex of Immortals. It's the exact same dynamic just with filler units. Doesn't change the fact that ZvZ can be played in a huge variety of ways even though the dominant strategy in Korean televised matches is Roach v Roach.
The point is that every ZvZ is roach vs roach. And it's been that way for a long time. If it gets past that stage we get free units vs free units.
PvP is the matchup with the most possible openings that each can be dissected and ripped apart if you analyze them and are smart enough to come up with a counter. There's room for a lot more variety in PvP than the other two mirrors. Of course that goes both ways because we can get herO vs sOs finals just as we can get Warer Invitational MC vs HerO finals which was amazing.
All in all I find PvP the most interesting mirror because absolutely everything is possible. Once you wrap your head around the different openings and their purpose/how they play out against other ones, it's a very enjoyable matchup.
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Well no Rain but kespa still reigns supreme.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Everything is possible in TvT too. There are a dozen different openings with a dozen more ways to react and counter react to everything.
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On June 04 2014 22:01 Morphage wrote:
Ro8 is looking pretty boring so far imo
Because who wants underdogs or breakout players? Why on Earth would we tune in to watch the unexpected or the surprising? We are Starcraft fans, and we demand nothing but the best! And don't you try to say someone deserves it more for little things like "beating" or "outplaying" others. We know who the best are, that's why we keep inviting them to every tournament in every corner of the globe!
Seriously, dude, this bracket looks sick as hell. Classic, an unexpected breakout performer who isn't afraid to go for absurd cheese. Solar, the team league master whose always had his Achilles heel in the GSL. Paralyze, the most doubted player in all of Code S, who just keeps knocking off the biggest names. TRUE, a player whose style is anything but cookie-cutter, who will redefine SO MANY BANELINGS if you let him.
And then the stars. Maru, best Terran in the world. soO, The Man who Would be Kong.
And then we see the final group. Soulkey, often seen as the top Zerg. Innovation, the robotic Terran who proves you can succeed on a foreign team. Zest, the all-powerful defending GSL champion. Or we might just see another new story unfold with a little cheeser that knocked out the World Champ.
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United States23455 Posts
On June 04 2014 22:20 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2014 22:14 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 04 2014 22:10 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 04 2014 22:09 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 04 2014 22:07 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 04 2014 22:07 boxerfred wrote:On June 04 2014 22:05 GumBa wrote:On June 04 2014 22:05 lichter wrote:On June 04 2014 22:04 GumBa wrote:On June 04 2014 22:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:
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I do enjoy PvZ a lot if it involves lots of tech switching. Muta corruptor is the exact opposite though. There's just a giant blob of corruptors flying around all game, protecting mutas until someone messes up. Yesyes, infestors. Now that's just as obnoxious as it gets, adding fungal into that D: All I understood was I like PvZ when HerO wins You forgot "PvP is better than TvT" That as well Just for the fun of it, can someone quote a DLO quote up where he defends PVP? What about this one right here PvP is a super intelligent matchup where almost any unit has its place and can be useful. Every mirror match up is like that DLO. The last ZvZ I saw was 60 roaches vs 65 roaches. With burrow. Ok and what's your point? The last PvP I saw was decided by a concave of Immortals vs a convex of Immortals. It's the exact same dynamic just with filler units. Doesn't change the fact that ZvZ can be played in a huge variety of ways even though the dominant strategy in Korean televised matches is Roach v Roach. The point is that every ZvZ is roach vs roach. And it's been that way for a long time. If it gets past that stage we get free units vs free units. PvP is the matchup with the most possible openings that each can be dissected and ripped apart if you analyze them and are smart enough to come up with a counter. There's room for a lot more variety in PvP than the other two mirrors. Of course that goes both ways because we can get herO vs sOs finals just as we can get Warer Invitational MC vs HerO finals which was amazing. All in all I find PvP the most interesting mirror because absolutely everything is possible. Once you wrap your head around the different openings and their purpose/how they play out against other ones, it's a very enjoyable matchup.
It's also the matchup that gives the world the most build order losses and wins of all time, which is kind of a pain in the ass. You can tell me that "Oh well that shows how smart and brilliant and godlike Protoss players have to be to scout literally everything" but top top TOP players get beaten in PvP based on builds all the time which sometimes can be a real shame.
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Canada8157 Posts
herO always had interesting PvP, esp. in that one final vs MC
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Anyways, we figured out PvP. 2 Proxy gate > everything else.
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