★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
8%
★★★- Good game (2)
8%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (18)
72%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (2)
8%
25 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Rain vs Solar Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Rain vs Solar Game 2?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
8%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
8%
★★★- Good game (5)
19%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (15)
58%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (2)
8%
26 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Rain vs Solar Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Rain vs Solar Game 3?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (3)
23%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
8%
★★★- Good game (5)
38%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
8%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (3)
23%
13 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Rain vs Solar Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
36%
★★★- Good game (7)
64%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
11 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Life vs ParalyzE Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Life vs ParalyzE Game 2?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
13%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
27%
★★★- Good game (7)
47%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (2)
13%
15 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Life vs ParalyzE Game 2?
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Poll: Recommend Life vs ParalyzE Game 3?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
25%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
13%
★★★- Good game (0)
0%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (3)
38%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (2)
25%
8 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Life vs ParalyzE Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
50%
★★★- Good game (1)
17%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Winners' Match Game 2?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
14%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
14%
★★★- Good game (5)
71%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
7 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Winners' Match Game 3?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
17%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
50%
★★★- Good game (1)
17%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
17%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
4%
★★★- Good game (2)
8%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (7)
27%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (9)
35%
26 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Losers' Match Game 2?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (3)
23%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
31%
★★★- Good game (4)
31%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
8%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
8%
13 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Losers' Match Game 3?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (4)
40%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
20%
★★★- Good game (1)
10%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
10%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (2)
20%
10 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 3?
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★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
40%
★★★- Good game (2)
20%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (2)
20%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
10 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Final Match Game 2?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
29%
★★★- Good game (7)
33%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (5)
24%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (3)
14%
21 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Final Match Game 3?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (7)
15%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★★★- Good game (10)
22%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (22)
48%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (7)
15%
46 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Life has the #2 headband! This is a match for the #2 headband! - Life is at ~ 94.43 % chances for top 16 points of 2014 ~ 60.89 % of the time Life wins and their chances go up to ~ 99.73 %. ~ 39.11 % of the time Life loses and their chances go down to ~ 86.19 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Rain is at ~ 40.6 % chances for top 16 points of 2014 ~ 57.61 % of the time Rain wins and their chances go up to ~ 58.32 %. ~ 42.39 % of the time Rain loses and their chances go down to ~ 16.5 %. ------------------------------------------------- - ParalyzE is at ~ 2.06 % chances for top 16 points of 2014 ~ 31.92 % of the time ParalyzE wins and their chances go up to ~ 5.85 %. ~ 68.08 % of the time ParalyzE loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.29 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Solar is at ~ 11.55 % chances for top 16 points of 2014 ~ 49.57 % of the time Solar wins and their chances go up to ~ 20.61 %. ~ 50.43 % of the time Solar loses and their chances go down to ~ 2.63 %.
Shellybot said he is going to treat us to an LR tonight :D He said something about he owes us 4hoursr of his time to LR PvZ games because <3SwarmHosts<3
On June 04 2014 17:13 Pandemona wrote: Shellybot said he is going to treat us to an LR tonight :D He said something about he owes us 4hoursr of his time to LR PvZ games because <3SwarmHosts<3
Nah i'm going to bed. Seeing Life stomp 4-0 is so common it's almost boring now. I'll wait to see him in the GSL final
On June 04 2014 17:13 Pandemona wrote: Shellybot said he is going to treat us to an LR tonight :D He said something about he owes us 4hoursr of his time to LR PvZ games because <3SwarmHosts<3
Nah i'm going to bed. Seeing Life stomp 4-0 is so common it's almost boring now. I'll wait to see him in the GSL final
I think I'd actually rather see Solar and Life than Rain and Life. Even if that would result in a ton of Zerg, Solar's a cool dude with a very friendly personality (and bonus points for being part of NA's famed Zerg chat), and Rain...well, we know about Rain.
On June 04 2014 16:41 ballehatten wrote: Some nice games will commence today!! Is it possible to see the matches from the player perspective with or without commentators?
Alas not, tournies need to start adding this though, was an awesome feature when a couple of MLGs did it.
On June 04 2014 16:41 ballehatten wrote: Some nice games will commence today!! Is it possible to see the matches from the player perspective with or without commentators?
Alas not, tournies need to start adding this though, was an awesome feature when a couple of MLGs did it.
Have we got some new blood in the LR thread? Nice.
On June 04 2014 18:37 Pandemona wrote: Just a few corrupters to atleast tank the void rays and Solar would be walking Rains army imo, instead he just dieing to voidrays.
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
8%
★★★- Good game (2)
8%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (18)
72%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (2)
8%
25 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Rain vs Solar Game 1?
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I was only listening to the audio and it sounded as if Rain had the upper hand against Solar for the whole game. I check a few minutes later and Solar takes game 1? What happened?
Rain was throwing tons and tons of Zealots. Some of them did quite a bit of damage, but if out of 10 waves of 10+ Zealots only 2 or 3 do damage, you are on a lot bigger loss than the Zerg.
That was the worst late game play from Rain i have seen in a long while, his maxed out army was pretty weak and he (i think) was chilling on 1 robo for that whole game? Please, 2x Immortal production into that army and on top of the 10 voids the unit comp from Solar was even more dead. Oh well, he shall learn, well played Solar for getting a 3k 3k bank, he could of just muta switched if he ever lost his army and insta won as well.
i feel like rain lost because he anticipated the muta remax -> didn't build immortals -> got caught with his pants down in the middle of the map and lost his whole army.
On June 04 2014 18:45 Pandemona wrote: That was the worst late game play from Rain i have seen in a long while, his maxed out army was pretty weak and he (i think) was chilling on 1 robo for that whole game? Please, 2x Immortal production into that army and on top of the 10 voids the unit comp from Solar was even more dead. Oh well, he shall learn, well played Solar for getting a 3k 3k bank, he could of just muta switched if he ever lost his army and insta won as well.
He had dual robo for quite some time, 8-10 game minutes I reckon
I don't think Rain was ever ahead in that game. Solar didn't take critical damage from the zealot warp-ins and in fact had 4-5 bases and 80+ drones after it ended, and compounded his econ advantage with a better composition + consistently larger bank. Tasteless and Wolf couldn't have been more wrong.
On June 04 2014 18:44 Ramiz1989 wrote: Rain was throwing tons and tons of Zealots. Some of them did quite a bit of damage, but if out of 10 waves of 10+ Zealots only 2 or 3 do damage, you are on a lot bigger loss than the Zerg.
Also this. Killing 20 drones is nice. But if you are losing 20+ Zealots its actually pretty bad for you.
On June 04 2014 18:44 iremnant3847 wrote: I was only listening to the audio and it sounded as if Rain had the upper hand against Solar for the whole game. I check a few minutes later and Solar takes game 1? What happened?
Tasteless and Wolf got overly excited by a 3base Protoss sacrificing 50zealots to kill the 5th and 6th base of a zerg.
He lost multiple hatches, 40+ workers and his Hive and quite a few extractors. He stabilised well but Rain could have capitalised a lot better as well.
On June 04 2014 18:44 iremnant3847 wrote: I was only listening to the audio and it sounded as if Rain had the upper hand against Solar for the whole game. I check a few minutes later and Solar takes game 1? What happened?
He never had the upper hand, was pretty much even game. Rain decided to throw alot of zealots on herras, and eventually got the Hive for that, but i dont think it was worth it. Solar was just building up a deatharmy and a big bank
On June 04 2014 18:44 Wombat_NI wrote: Ffs hate games like that lol. Come on next time Rain!
You're not the only one, dude. Times like that I think, this is why you all-in the alien scum. Sigh.
HerO vs Leenock on Antiga Shipyard, never forget.
I do believe Rain made errors, nothing undeserved about Solar's win but I prefer the player who is more aggressive and positive to get rewarded as a vague rule of thumb.
On June 04 2014 18:44 iremnant3847 wrote: I was only listening to the audio and it sounded as if Rain had the upper hand against Solar for the whole game. I check a few minutes later and Solar takes game 1? What happened?
Tasteless and Wolf got overly excited by a 3base Protoss sacrificing 50zealots to kill the 5th and 6th base of a zerg.
Let's be fair guys: usually when protoss gets to the 200 supply colossus/VR deathball and snipes multiple hatcheries the game is over. I think Rain was simply too passive and didn't do lethal damage to Solar's economy while letting him build up a hard counter to his composition.
Who do I listen to ? the casters or the people in LR?
generally speaking casters have a good grasp on the game, lol ty very much. all the posts in this thread would never be there had solar not played perfectly to the situation, or had Rain not made mistakes in unit composition. he lost a big fight which he shouldn't have, no? smt like that.
On June 04 2014 18:44 Wombat_NI wrote: Ffs hate games like that lol. Come on next time Rain!
You're not the only one, dude. Times like that I think, this is why you all-in the alien scum. Sigh.
HerO vs Leenock on Antiga Shipyard, never forget.
I do believe Rain made errors, nothing undeserved about Solar's win but I prefer the player who is more aggressive and positive to get rewarded as a vague rule of thumb.
Yeah, I agree. But, it's easy to take that thinking too far though. Sometimes doing less is doing more.
I think Rain's Zealot harass was effective but cost him too much in minerals and delayed his fourth for too long. Also, Solar mindgamed him by sticking with the Ultra rather than anticipated Mutas. I think Solar just has Rain's number.
On June 04 2014 18:52 Incognoto wrote: Who do I listen to ? the casters or the people in LR?
generally speaking casters have a good grasp on the game, lol ty very much. all the posts in this thread would never be there had solar not played perfectly to the situation
Point is that they are blowing everything out of proportion. After the Zealot harassment, Solar was left on 4 bases with ~80 Drones, and Rain was still on 3 bases only... Casters were saying how he is way ahead, and he clearly wasn't...
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
8%
★★★- Good game (5)
19%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (15)
58%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (2)
8%
26 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Rain vs Solar Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Rain vs Solar Game 3?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (3)
23%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
8%
★★★- Good game (5)
38%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
8%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (3)
23%
13 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Rain vs Solar Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
On June 04 2014 19:00 Waxangel wrote: hmmm couldn't he have made a pylon there?
he lost the prism+probe somewhere after making that nexus, so he had no probes left GG solar, hoped for a 3rd game but this one was really good so ill take it
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
8%
★★★- Good game (5)
19%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (15)
58%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (2)
8%
26 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Rain vs Solar Game 2?
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Poll: Recommend Rain vs Solar Game 3?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (3)
23%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
8%
★★★- Good game (5)
38%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
8%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (3)
23%
13 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Rain vs Solar Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
On June 04 2014 19:01 Wombat_NI wrote: Can we please recycle some of these HUGE maps out for next season?
Indeed Alterzim Stronghold has to go, i don't mind Waystation because at least it is new. Another map like King Sejong Station would be sick. The games you get on that map can be anything from cheese all ins to long macro wars.
On June 04 2014 19:01 Wombat_NI wrote: Can we please recycle some of these HUGE maps out for next season?
Indeed Alterzim Stronghold has to go, i don't mind Waystation because at least it is new. Another map like King Sejong Station would be sick. The games you get on that map can be anything from cheese all ins to long macro wars.
On June 04 2014 19:11 Wombat_NI wrote: Btw to clarify I don't feel Rain deserved to win that series, but this map pool sucks :p
Go on, Wombat. You know you want to say it. Say it...
It was nothing compared to HerO vs Leenock tbf. Game 2 Rain's problems snowballed when his hatch snipe didn't work.
I just think they're bad maps, for Terran even more so. Especially at my level laddering on some of these monstrosities just equals the most boring passive games
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
36%
★★★- Good game (7)
64%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
11 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Life vs ParalyzE Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
wow tasteless said that zerg could lift up the hatchery and go to the gold, what a scrub he clearly doesn't know anything about the game why is he casting code S, gomtv should fire him
Gogo Paralyze, I don't want mirror matches today :D
wow tasteless said that zerg could lift up the hatchery and go to the gold, what a scrub he clearly doesn't know anything about the game why is he casting code S, gomtv should fire him
jesus id really appreciate if they'd talk about the game since there are roach speed and burrow movement coming but also melee upgrades... i dont get it
I think its pretty funny that protoss warp prism herras has absolutely no risk. Like if terran loses a drop its pretty big but protoss can just derp zealots in hots...
On June 04 2014 19:37 Wombat_NI wrote: Why don't Zergs spread creep to grant vision of their main btw, seems a small adjustment that nullifies WPs finding these blind spots?
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
27%
★★★- Good game (7)
47%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (2)
13%
15 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Life vs ParalyzE Game 2?
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Poll: Recommend Life vs ParalyzE Game 3?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
25%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
13%
★★★- Good game (0)
0%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (3)
38%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (2)
25%
8 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Life vs ParalyzE Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
- Well, Afrotoss, you have to win in 2 games because probably you're going to be eliminated. - Damn, but i will lose in PvP to you, senpai ;_; - Don't think about it, i will do everything for you.
On June 04 2014 19:37 Rainmansc wrote: I think its pretty funny that protoss warp prism herras has absolutely no risk. Like if terran loses a drop its pretty big but protoss can just derp zealots in hots...
Yea they should make Zealots and Warp Prisms cost money instead of being completely free, or at least take time to make. It's a bit silly that it costs no risk.
On June 04 2014 19:38 Pandemona wrote: Life playing like shite? Or is Paralyze playing really well? Not watched much of this series, just seeing two DTs decimate Life atm though
On June 04 2014 19:37 Wombat_NI wrote: Why don't Zergs spread creep to grant vision of their main btw, seems a small adjustment that nullifies WPs finding these blind spots?
yeah why has no zerg ever done this ever
I'm sure they have on occasion to be fair, it just seems a no-brainer!
On June 04 2014 19:37 Rainmansc wrote: I think its pretty funny that protoss warp prism herras has absolutely no risk. Like if terran loses a drop its pretty big but protoss can just derp zealots in hots...
Unless you overcommit and get very little done. Kinda like Rain vs Solar game 1.
I'm wondering if Alicia's +1 airweapons without stargate build was better or worse than Life's double roach warren tunneling claws without burrow build
On June 04 2014 19:37 Wombat_NI wrote: Why don't Zergs spread creep to grant vision of their main btw, seems a small adjustment that nullifies WPs finding these blind spots?
yeah why has no zerg ever done this ever
I'm sure they have on occasion to be fair, it just seems a no-brainer!
Even just placing some overlords over there and maybe even droppin some creep seems to do the job for me.
Missed the first two games. So disappointed to see Rain having lost! I thought he had the best PvZ in the world, with how perfectly he plays the matchup in proleauge. If Paralyze beats Solar now I will feel stupid.
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50%
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17%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
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0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 1?
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50%
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17%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 1?
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On June 04 2014 19:59 Rehio wrote: People have no faith in Solar.
It's so damn gratifying when I'm a fan of someone and he's stomping everyone after being underestimated. :D
I thought he had a very good chance to get through, but Rain and Life looked the strongest going into this group. Solar really pulling all the stops here.
Sonic Heroes was an alright game. It was also the last time we had a playable Big the Cat, which is sad. We need more Big the Cat.
EDIT:
On June 04 2014 20:05 AlternativeEgo wrote: Can't respect emulator gaming. It's cheap and wrong. And filthy. And wrong.
I have a rule about emulation. As long as the system in question is no longer having games made for it, and the game doesn't appear to have a re-release on the horizon, then it's OK.
I was watching Dark vs. Maru with family the other day, and 7 minutes into the game someone asked me why they hadn't said a single word about the game and were talking about arcade games instead. I felt kinda embarrassed.
Then again, after hearing that Rain vs. Solar game cast, maybe it's just better if they stick to chatting about how nerdy they are. ;D
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
14%
★★★- Good game (5)
71%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
7 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 2?
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Poll: Recommend Winners' Match Game 3?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
17%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
50%
★★★- Good game (1)
17%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
17%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 3?
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From the drone rush into Ro8. But dude, Solar is in wrong part of bracket, holy shit. There is good chance that whole bottom part will be ZvZs and i will favour Soulkey, TRUE and soO over Solar ezpz.
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
14%
★★★- Good game (5)
71%
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7 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 2?
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Poll: Recommend Winners' Match Game 3?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
17%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
50%
★★★- Good game (1)
17%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
17%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 3?
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On June 04 2014 20:07 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Solar is going to win GSL. Calling it now.
Maru will. There are no other Terrans other than Maru and Innovation so they get an edge in that people won't practice as much against Terran. This GSL is Maru's.
Solar can even win ZvP with Roach Hydra, guy has this match up locked down. Wonder how his ZvZ is though, going up against soOjwa is going be a test ^_^
Also he is going to head into the hardest side of the draw imo too, if he beats soOjwa he will then face TRUE/1st place Group D so either Soulkey or Innovation maybe...or he might finally meet his match in Zest
On June 04 2014 20:14 Pandemona wrote: Solar can even win ZvP with Roach Hydra, guy has this match up locked down. Wonder how his ZvZ is though, going up against soOjwa is going be a test ^_^
Also he is going to head into the hardest side of the draw imo too, if he beats soOjwa he will then face TRUE/1st place Group D so either Soulkey or Innovation maybe...or he might finally meet his match in Zest
Zest won't come out from the group even :D Maru is just praying in JinAir GreenWings house that Soulkey is going to win his group on Friday.
So... Life vs Rain - Life always sucked ZvP lategame - Rain was always one of the most solid Protoss when it comes to the late game - Life sucked pretty hard today
On June 04 2014 20:30 Swisslink wrote: So... Life vs Rain - Life always sucked ZvP lategame - Rain was always one of the most solid Protoss when it comes to the late game - Life sucked pretty hard today
... dnno... I don't think Life can do this...
Rain failed in a lategame today so hard... Rain sucks today as well, so who knows
OMG OMG, Rain cannon rushing? IS HE IN SUCH A DEEP HORROR?!! Ooooh....
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
4%
★★★- Good game (2)
8%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (7)
27%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (9)
35%
26 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 1?
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★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
4%
★★★- Good game (2)
8%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (7)
27%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (9)
35%
26 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 1?
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★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
31%
★★★- Good game (4)
31%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
8%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
8%
13 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 2?
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On June 04 2014 20:50 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Mass phoenix -> laser overload
Laser or get out! - Protoss army recruiter 2014
Oh hello there, my name is Void Ray, and I have 3 laser beams merged into 1 super beam. And if I want, this 1 super beam can be turned into OPsuper beam. It does damage to armored and as a bonus, it spreads fear into the heart of your opponent, resulting in chaos retreat of his units.
On June 04 2014 20:50 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Mass phoenix -> laser overload
Laser or get out! - Protoss army recruiter 2014
Oh hello there, my name is Void Ray, and I have 3 laser beams merged into 1 super beam. And if I want, this 1 super beam can be turned into OPsuper beam. It does damage to armored and as a bonus, it spreads fear into the heart of your opponent, resulting in chaos retreat of his units.
We'll buy your design and order a thousand. No need to ask congress for this one
On June 04 2014 20:50 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Mass phoenix -> laser overload
Laser or get out! - Protoss army recruiter 2014
Oh hello there, my name is Void Ray, and I have 3 laser beams merged into 1 super beam. And if I want, this 1 super beam can be turned into OPsuper beam. It does damage to armored and as a bonus, it spreads fear into the heart of your opponent, resulting in chaos retreat of his units.
We'll buy your design and order a thousand. No need to ask congress for this one
Now I am reading this and I realized - Void Ray army is like an army of Death Stars without any vent shaft!!!! And the storms from templars equals to dark side. Protoss = siths, confirmed!
On June 04 2014 20:50 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Mass phoenix -> laser overload
Laser or get out! - Protoss army recruiter 2014
Oh hello there, my name is Void Ray, and I have 3 laser beams merged into 1 super beam. And if I want, this 1 super beam can be turned into OPsuper beam. It does damage to armored and as a bonus, it spreads fear into the heart of your opponent, resulting in chaos retreat of his units.
We'll buy your design and order a thousand. No need to ask congress for this one
Now I am reading this and I realized - Void Ray army is like an army of Death Stars without any vent shaft!!!! And the storms from templars equals to dark side. Protoss = siths, confirmed!
Now that you have realized, young padawan, you are ready to embrace the dark side and join it. Muhahahaha!
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
20%
★★★- Good game (1)
10%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
10%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (2)
20%
10 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 3?
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On June 04 2014 20:50 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Mass phoenix -> laser overload
Laser or get out! - Protoss army recruiter 2014
Oh hello there, my name is Void Ray, and I have 3 laser beams merged into 1 super beam. And if I want, this 1 super beam can be turned into OPsuper beam. It does damage to armored and as a bonus, it spreads fear into the heart of your opponent, resulting in chaos retreat of his units.
We'll buy your design and order a thousand. No need to ask congress for this one
Now I am reading this and I realized - Void Ray army is like an army of Death Stars without any vent shaft!!!! And the storms from templars equals to dark side. Protoss = siths, confirmed!
Now that you have realized, young padawan, you are ready to embrace the dark side and join it. Muhahahaha!
On June 04 2014 21:05 sitromit wrote: Didn't Life lose to Paralyze once before in a group and then beat him in the rematch, or am I remembering that wrong?
Yes he did
On June 04 2014 21:05 KingofdaHipHop wrote: Awwwww Rain lost? How were the games vs Life?
The series I was most interested in seeing tonight ended up sucking the most. Solar definitely deserved his spot tonight, but I can't speak too well of any of the other three...
This group is a Paralyze win away from being EXACTLY the opposite of the preview predictions.
In general, I think writers' SC2 predictions once you get to this level shouldn't be so certain. Solar and Paralyze are certainly not on Life and Rain's level, but it's not as if they have no chance in any Bo3.
On June 04 2014 21:13 baubo wrote: This group is a Paralyze win away from being EXACTLY the opposite of the preview predictions.
In general, I think writers' SC2 predictions once you get to this level shouldn't be so certain. Solar and Paralyze are certainly not on Life and Rain's level, but it's not as if they have no chance in any Bo3.
You can't really fault them for that though, the whole purpose in writing previews is to generate hype.
Not really much hype generated if every preview is written with a very neutral tone.
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
40%
★★★- Good game (2)
20%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (2)
20%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
10 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 1?
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★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
40%
★★★- Good game (2)
20%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (2)
20%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
10 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 1?
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On June 04 2014 21:13 baubo wrote: This group is a Paralyze win away from being EXACTLY the opposite of the preview predictions.
In general, I think writers' SC2 predictions once you get to this level shouldn't be so certain. Solar and Paralyze are certainly not on Life and Rain's level, but it's not as if they have no chance in any Bo3.
You can't really fault them for that though, the whole purpose in writing previews is to generate hype.
Not really much hype generated if every preview is written with a very neutral tone.
Won't there be less hype if everyone believes there's no contest?
On June 04 2014 21:21 Megapenthes wrote: 'INCREDIBLE FORCEFIELDS'
I sometimes do forefields that good...
Time for your code S run!
Hearing "incredible force fields!" when someone slams down 3 FFs at the top of a ramp always makes me chuckle. It's the HOTS version of Amazing Fungals.
On June 04 2014 21:21 Megapenthes wrote: 'INCREDIBLE FORCEFIELDS'
I sometimes do forefields that good...
Time for your code S run!
Hearing "incredibly force fields!" when someone slams down 3 FFs at the top of a ramp always makes me chuckle. It's the HOTS version of Amazing Fungals.
On June 04 2014 21:13 baubo wrote: This group is a Paralyze win away from being EXACTLY the opposite of the preview predictions.
In general, I think writers' SC2 predictions once you get to this level shouldn't be so certain. Solar and Paralyze are certainly not on Life and Rain's level, but it's not as if they have no chance in any Bo3.
You can't really fault them for that though, the whole purpose in writing previews is to generate hype.
Not really much hype generated if every preview is written with a very neutral tone.
Won't there be less hype if everyone believes there's no contest?
Forum posters laughing at writer predictions is the life blood of LR threads
On June 04 2014 21:21 Megapenthes wrote: 'INCREDIBLE FORCEFIELDS'
I sometimes do forefields that good...
Time for your code S run!
Haha, wouldn't it be nice.
But for real I am a little tired of the overhyping. Like at the beginning of the game when they were like 'I think Life's just won this', when clearly, and as the game ended up proving, he wasn't even really ahead. There were times where I think if he had droned he might've been ahead, but he didn't
On June 04 2014 21:22 calh wrote: Should have gone all in in the main and get probes instead of attacking the natural nexus.
Life was dead the moment Paralyze put up his little zealot wall. Once he basically killed half of Life's lings, there really weren't enough left to do damage properly no matter how Life chose to use them.
On June 04 2014 21:21 Megapenthes wrote: 'INCREDIBLE FORCEFIELDS'
I sometimes do forefields that good...
Time for your code S run!
Haha, wouldn't it be nice.
But for real I am a little tired of the overhyping. Like at the beginning of the game when they were like 'I think Life's just won this', when clearly, and as the game ended up proving, he wasn't even really ahead. There were times where I think if he had droned he might've been ahead, but he didn't
Yeah I agree the casters are seriously just winging it today, they make so little sense.
On June 04 2014 21:13 baubo wrote: This group is a Paralyze win away from being EXACTLY the opposite of the preview predictions.
In general, I think writers' SC2 predictions once you get to this level shouldn't be so certain. Solar and Paralyze are certainly not on Life and Rain's level, but it's not as if they have no chance in any Bo3.
You can't really fault them for that though, the whole purpose in writing previews is to generate hype.
Not really much hype generated if every preview is written with a very neutral tone.
Won't there be less hype if everyone believes there's no contest?
Forum posters laughing at writer predictions is the life blood of LR threads
On June 04 2014 21:13 baubo wrote: This group is a Paralyze win away from being EXACTLY the opposite of the preview predictions.
In general, I think writers' SC2 predictions once you get to this level shouldn't be so certain. Solar and Paralyze are certainly not on Life and Rain's level, but it's not as if they have no chance in any Bo3.
You can't really fault them for that though, the whole purpose in writing previews is to generate hype.
Not really much hype generated if every preview is written with a very neutral tone.
Won't there be less hype if everyone believes there's no contest?
Forum posters laughing at writer predictions is the life blood of LR threads
laughing at zealously is the lifeblood of TL writers
On June 04 2014 21:21 Megapenthes wrote: 'INCREDIBLE FORCEFIELDS'
I sometimes do forefields that good...
Time for your code S run!
Haha, wouldn't it be nice.
But for real I am a little tired of the overhyping. Like at the beginning of the game when they were like 'I think Life's just won this', when clearly, and as the game ended up proving, he wasn't even really ahead. There were times where I think if he had droned he might've been ahead, but he didn't
Yeah I agree the casters are seriously just winging it today, they make so little sense.
It's almost like the absence of a certain other caster, who typically supplies most of the technical analysis exposes some holes.
On June 04 2014 21:13 baubo wrote: This group is a Paralyze win away from being EXACTLY the opposite of the preview predictions.
In general, I think writers' SC2 predictions once you get to this level shouldn't be so certain. Solar and Paralyze are certainly not on Life and Rain's level, but it's not as if they have no chance in any Bo3.
You can't really fault them for that though, the whole purpose in writing previews is to generate hype.
Not really much hype generated if every preview is written with a very neutral tone.
Won't there be less hype if everyone believes there's no contest?
Forum posters laughing at writer predictions is the life blood of LR threads
laughing at zealously is the lifeblood of TL writers
blaming Olli for everything is the oxygen of TL writers
On June 04 2014 21:21 Megapenthes wrote: 'INCREDIBLE FORCEFIELDS'
I sometimes do forefields that good...
Time for your code S run!
Haha, wouldn't it be nice.
But for real I am a little tired of the overhyping. Like at the beginning of the game when they were like 'I think Life's just won this', when clearly, and as the game ended up proving, he wasn't even really ahead. There were times where I think if he had droned he might've been ahead, but he didn't
Yeah I agree the casters are seriously just winging it today, they make so little sense.
It's almost like the absence of a certain other caster, who typically supplies most of the technical analysis exposes some holes.
While that's true, I have definitely seen Wolf do some really good casting in the past. I remember one time when he solo casted Code S (can't remember why) and frankly I was really impressed. But yeah missing Artosis is so noticeable ;__;
On June 04 2014 21:13 baubo wrote: This group is a Paralyze win away from being EXACTLY the opposite of the preview predictions.
In general, I think writers' SC2 predictions once you get to this level shouldn't be so certain. Solar and Paralyze are certainly not on Life and Rain's level, but it's not as if they have no chance in any Bo3.
You can't really fault them for that though, the whole purpose in writing previews is to generate hype.
Not really much hype generated if every preview is written with a very neutral tone.
Won't there be less hype if everyone believes there's no contest?
Forum posters laughing at writer predictions is the life blood of LR threads
laughing at zealously is the lifeblood of TL writers
blaming Olli for everything is the oxygen of TL writers
Rewatching DLO vs Lichter is the lifeblood of those in the know.
Ugh this is driving me nuts. If he would just kill the damn Robotics Facility his roaches would eventually overrun him. The Immortals are all Paralyze has that's capable of trading well enough to keep him in this.
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
29%
★★★- Good game (7)
33%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (5)
24%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (3)
14%
21 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 2?
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On June 04 2014 21:38 lichter wrote: The fact that 8 people highly recommended that game is exactly why you will never see another Life game in best games ever
It's not like that doesn't happen with other players though :p
On June 04 2014 21:38 DarkLordOlli wrote: I will never understand why Paralyze made a warp prism after the first immortal.
i think he tought he was going to hold easily? moving pylon for the counter etc etc
That's really silly though and possibly cost him the game. if he has two immortals and a few sentries there when Life breaks the wall, he might not have lost a million probes and been way ahead. Instead he had a warp prism staring down the roaches
On June 04 2014 21:38 lichter wrote: The fact that 8 people highly recommended that game is exactly why you will never see another Life game in best games ever
It's not like that doesn't happen with other players though :p
Only foreigners beating Koreans is more overhyped than Life games
Internet finally came online after making me miss all the previous games. So sad to see Rain out. Now he needs to win Season 3 to even get to BlizzCon. Thanks Blizz.
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★★★- Good game (10)
22%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (22)
48%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (7)
15%
46 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 3?
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★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★★★- Good game (10)
22%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (22)
48%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (7)
15%
46 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 3?
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On June 04 2014 06:50 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote: Rain > Solar Rain < Solar Life > Paralyze Life < Paralyze Rain > Life Rain < Life Solar < ParalyzeSolar > Paralyze Life > Paralyze Life < Paralyze
With groups like these, I wish we could transfer one of the Ro8 spots to another more deserving group (one of Soulkey, Innovation, Zest will be eliminated!?). Only Solar deserved to advance today, Life and Rain were so disappointing.
Life just tries to do stuff that is never going to work, and he seems terminally incapable of revising his attitude to the MU. His multitasking was also abysmal for some reason.
Still, Solar is through, Parting is out so it's all good for me.
On June 04 2014 21:58 DarkLordOlli wrote: Great game by Paralyze. Not feeling too bad for Life... I hate muta/corruptor D:
You hate everything thats not PvP though
I do enjoy PvZ a lot if it involves lots of tech switching. Muta corruptor is the exact opposite though. There's just a giant blob of corruptors flying around all game, protecting mutas until someone messes up. Yesyes, infestors. Now that's just as obnoxious as it gets, adding fungal into that D:
On June 04 2014 22:01 Squat wrote: Life just tries to do stuff that is never going to work, and he seems terminally incapable of revising his attitude to the MU. His multitasking was also abysmal for some reason.
Still, Solar is through, Parting is out so it's all good for me.
Well, at least someone else understands why Life is losing when he is losing even if he has incredible potential.
On June 04 2014 21:58 DarkLordOlli wrote: Great game by Paralyze. Not feeling too bad for Life... I hate muta/corruptor D:
You hate everything thats not PvP though
I do enjoy PvZ a lot if it involves lots of tech switching. Muta corruptor is the exact opposite though. There's just a giant blob of corruptors flying around all game, protecting mutas until someone messes up. Yesyes, infestors. Now that's just as obnoxious as it gets, adding fungal into that D:
On June 04 2014 21:58 DarkLordOlli wrote: Great game by Paralyze. Not feeling too bad for Life... I hate muta/corruptor D:
You hate everything thats not PvP though
I do enjoy PvZ a lot if it involves lots of tech switching. Muta corruptor is the exact opposite though. There's just a giant blob of corruptors flying around all game, protecting mutas until someone messes up. Yesyes, infestors. Now that's just as obnoxious as it gets, adding fungal into that D:
Tech switching is dead. Its either muta/corruptor or SH/Corruptor/Spore/Viper.
On June 04 2014 21:58 DarkLordOlli wrote: Great game by Paralyze. Not feeling too bad for Life... I hate muta/corruptor D:
You hate everything thats not PvP though
I do enjoy PvZ a lot if it involves lots of tech switching. Muta corruptor is the exact opposite though. There's just a giant blob of corruptors flying around all game, protecting mutas until someone messes up. Yesyes, infestors. Now that's just as obnoxious as it gets, adding fungal into that D:
Well this is interesting. If Shine or Soulkey take first place in Group D and Innovation takes second we're looking at a Ro8 composed entirely of mirror matches.
Unlikely to happen I feel especially since I think Innovation will either dominate the group or get completely rolled, one or the other.
On June 04 2014 21:58 DarkLordOlli wrote: Great game by Paralyze. Not feeling too bad for Life... I hate muta/corruptor D:
You hate everything thats not PvP though
I do enjoy PvZ a lot if it involves lots of tech switching. Muta corruptor is the exact opposite though. There's just a giant blob of corruptors flying around all game, protecting mutas until someone messes up. Yesyes, infestors. Now that's just as obnoxious as it gets, adding fungal into that D:
On June 04 2014 21:58 DarkLordOlli wrote: Great game by Paralyze. Not feeling too bad for Life... I hate muta/corruptor D:
You hate everything thats not PvP though
I do enjoy PvZ a lot if it involves lots of tech switching. Muta corruptor is the exact opposite though. There's just a giant blob of corruptors flying around all game, protecting mutas until someone messes up. Yesyes, infestors. Now that's just as obnoxious as it gets, adding fungal into that D:
Tech switching is dead. Its either muta/corruptor or SH/Corruptor/Spore/Viper.
My friend just spine crawler rushes and queens pushes toss with decent sucess
On June 04 2014 21:58 DarkLordOlli wrote: Great game by Paralyze. Not feeling too bad for Life... I hate muta/corruptor D:
You hate everything thats not PvP though
I do enjoy PvZ a lot if it involves lots of tech switching. Muta corruptor is the exact opposite though. There's just a giant blob of corruptors flying around all game, protecting mutas until someone messes up. Yesyes, infestors. Now that's just as obnoxious as it gets, adding fungal into that D:
Tech switching is dead. Its either muta/corruptor or SH/Corruptor/Spore/Viper.
You'd think that but watch Impact play and he still does it with pretty good success. Even though HerO is ten times better blahblah
Also yes I enjoy HerO's original PvZ style the most. It was the best that sc2 had to offer.
On June 04 2014 21:58 DarkLordOlli wrote: Great game by Paralyze. Not feeling too bad for Life... I hate muta/corruptor D:
You hate everything thats not PvP though
I do enjoy PvZ a lot if it involves lots of tech switching. Muta corruptor is the exact opposite though. There's just a giant blob of corruptors flying around all game, protecting mutas until someone messes up. Yesyes, infestors. Now that's just as obnoxious as it gets, adding fungal into that D:
Tech switching is dead. Its either muta/corruptor or SH/Corruptor/Spore/Viper.
Or Roach/Ling/Hydra/Vipers, or Hydra/Lings into Mutas, or Ultras/Queens/Infestors/Vipers into Mass Mutas, or mass Corruptors/Mutas into mass Swarm Hosts, or....
On June 04 2014 21:58 DarkLordOlli wrote: Great game by Paralyze. Not feeling too bad for Life... I hate muta/corruptor D:
You hate everything thats not PvP though
I do enjoy PvZ a lot if it involves lots of tech switching. Muta corruptor is the exact opposite though. There's just a giant blob of corruptors flying around all game, protecting mutas until someone messes up. Yesyes, infestors. Now that's just as obnoxious as it gets, adding fungal into that D:
All I understood was I like PvZ when HerO wins
You forgot "PvP is better than TvT"
That as well
Just for the fun of it, can someone quote a DLO quote up where he defends PVP?
On June 04 2014 21:58 DarkLordOlli wrote: Great game by Paralyze. Not feeling too bad for Life... I hate muta/corruptor D:
You hate everything thats not PvP though
I do enjoy PvZ a lot if it involves lots of tech switching. Muta corruptor is the exact opposite though. There's just a giant blob of corruptors flying around all game, protecting mutas until someone messes up. Yesyes, infestors. Now that's just as obnoxious as it gets, adding fungal into that D:
Tech switching is dead. Its either muta/corruptor or SH/Corruptor/Spore/Viper.
You'd think that but watch Impact play and he still does it with pretty good success. Even though HerO is ten times better blahblah
Also yes I enjoy HerO's original PvZ style the most. It was the best that sc2 had to offer.
On June 04 2014 21:58 DarkLordOlli wrote: Great game by Paralyze. Not feeling too bad for Life... I hate muta/corruptor D:
You hate everything thats not PvP though
I do enjoy PvZ a lot if it involves lots of tech switching. Muta corruptor is the exact opposite though. There's just a giant blob of corruptors flying around all game, protecting mutas until someone messes up. Yesyes, infestors. Now that's just as obnoxious as it gets, adding fungal into that D:
All I understood was I like PvZ when HerO wins
You forgot "PvP is better than TvT"
That as well
Just for the fun of it, can someone quote a DLO quote up where he defends PVP?
On June 04 2014 21:58 DarkLordOlli wrote: Great game by Paralyze. Not feeling too bad for Life... I hate muta/corruptor D:
You hate everything thats not PvP though
I do enjoy PvZ a lot if it involves lots of tech switching. Muta corruptor is the exact opposite though. There's just a giant blob of corruptors flying around all game, protecting mutas until someone messes up. Yesyes, infestors. Now that's just as obnoxious as it gets, adding fungal into that D:
Tech switching is dead. Its either muta/corruptor or SH/Corruptor/Spore/Viper.
You'd think that but watch Impact play and he still does it with pretty good success. Even though HerO is ten times better blahblah
Also yes I enjoy HerO's original PvZ style the most. It was the best that sc2 had to offer.
You're asking a player to switch from styles that are wildly successful to one thats just ok?
On June 04 2014 21:58 DarkLordOlli wrote: Great game by Paralyze. Not feeling too bad for Life... I hate muta/corruptor D:
You hate everything thats not PvP though
I do enjoy PvZ a lot if it involves lots of tech switching. Muta corruptor is the exact opposite though. There's just a giant blob of corruptors flying around all game, protecting mutas until someone messes up. Yesyes, infestors. Now that's just as obnoxious as it gets, adding fungal into that D:
All I understood was I like PvZ when HerO wins
You forgot "PvP is better than TvT"
That as well
Just for the fun of it, can someone quote a DLO quote up where he defends PVP?
What about this one right here
PvP is a super intelligent matchup where almost any unit has its place and can be useful.
On June 04 2014 21:58 DarkLordOlli wrote: Great game by Paralyze. Not feeling too bad for Life... I hate muta/corruptor D:
You hate everything thats not PvP though
I do enjoy PvZ a lot if it involves lots of tech switching. Muta corruptor is the exact opposite though. There's just a giant blob of corruptors flying around all game, protecting mutas until someone messes up. Yesyes, infestors. Now that's just as obnoxious as it gets, adding fungal into that D:
Tech switching is dead. Its either muta/corruptor or SH/Corruptor/Spore/Viper.
Tech switching is what you do when you just got trashed in a maxed engagement and you're trying to pretend you haven't lost the game.
For Life, he is just too creative for his own good in this MU. Patience and conservatism is what works in ZvP, slowly grinding away unless you're hitting a big timing. Constant trades a la ZvT is just a prolonged form of suicide.
On June 04 2014 21:58 DarkLordOlli wrote: Great game by Paralyze. Not feeling too bad for Life... I hate muta/corruptor D:
You hate everything thats not PvP though
I do enjoy PvZ a lot if it involves lots of tech switching. Muta corruptor is the exact opposite though. There's just a giant blob of corruptors flying around all game, protecting mutas until someone messes up. Yesyes, infestors. Now that's just as obnoxious as it gets, adding fungal into that D:
All I understood was I like PvZ when HerO wins
You forgot "PvP is better than TvT"
That as well
Just for the fun of it, can someone quote a DLO quote up where he defends PVP?
What about this one right here
PvP is a super intelligent matchup where almost any unit has its place and can be useful.
On June 04 2014 21:58 DarkLordOlli wrote: Great game by Paralyze. Not feeling too bad for Life... I hate muta/corruptor D:
You hate everything thats not PvP though
I do enjoy PvZ a lot if it involves lots of tech switching. Muta corruptor is the exact opposite though. There's just a giant blob of corruptors flying around all game, protecting mutas until someone messes up. Yesyes, infestors. Now that's just as obnoxious as it gets, adding fungal into that D:
All I understood was I like PvZ when HerO wins
You forgot "PvP is better than TvT"
That as well
Just for the fun of it, can someone quote a DLO quote up where he defends PVP?
On June 04 2014 21:58 DarkLordOlli wrote: Great game by Paralyze. Not feeling too bad for Life... I hate muta/corruptor D:
You hate everything thats not PvP though
I do enjoy PvZ a lot if it involves lots of tech switching. Muta corruptor is the exact opposite though. There's just a giant blob of corruptors flying around all game, protecting mutas until someone messes up. Yesyes, infestors. Now that's just as obnoxious as it gets, adding fungal into that D:
Tech switching is dead. Its either muta/corruptor or SH/Corruptor/Spore/Viper.
You'd think that but watch Impact play and he still does it with pretty good success. Even though HerO is ten times better blahblah
Also yes I enjoy HerO's original PvZ style the most. It was the best that sc2 had to offer.
You're asking a player to switch from styles that are wildly successful to one thats just ok?
I don't blame him for playing like that. But I also don't have to feel sorry if he loses with it.
On June 04 2014 21:58 DarkLordOlli wrote: Great game by Paralyze. Not feeling too bad for Life... I hate muta/corruptor D:
You hate everything thats not PvP though
I do enjoy PvZ a lot if it involves lots of tech switching. Muta corruptor is the exact opposite though. There's just a giant blob of corruptors flying around all game, protecting mutas until someone messes up. Yesyes, infestors. Now that's just as obnoxious as it gets, adding fungal into that D:
All I understood was I like PvZ when HerO wins
You forgot "PvP is better than TvT"
That as well
Just for the fun of it, can someone quote a DLO quote up where he defends PVP?
What about this one right here
PvP is a super intelligent matchup where almost any unit has its place and can be useful.
On June 04 2014 21:58 DarkLordOlli wrote: Great game by Paralyze. Not feeling too bad for Life... I hate muta/corruptor D:
You hate everything thats not PvP though
I do enjoy PvZ a lot if it involves lots of tech switching. Muta corruptor is the exact opposite though. There's just a giant blob of corruptors flying around all game, protecting mutas until someone messes up. Yesyes, infestors. Now that's just as obnoxious as it gets, adding fungal into that D:
All I understood was I like PvZ when HerO wins
You forgot "PvP is better than TvT"
That as well
Just for the fun of it, can someone quote a DLO quote up where he defends PVP?
What about this one right here
PvP is a super intelligent matchup where almost any unit has its place and can be useful.
On June 04 2014 21:58 DarkLordOlli wrote: Great game by Paralyze. Not feeling too bad for Life... I hate muta/corruptor D:
You hate everything thats not PvP though
I do enjoy PvZ a lot if it involves lots of tech switching. Muta corruptor is the exact opposite though. There's just a giant blob of corruptors flying around all game, protecting mutas until someone messes up. Yesyes, infestors. Now that's just as obnoxious as it gets, adding fungal into that D:
All I understood was I like PvZ when HerO wins
You forgot "PvP is better than TvT"
That as well
Just for the fun of it, can someone quote a DLO quote up where he defends PVP?
What about this one right here
PvP is a super intelligent matchup where almost any unit has its place and can be useful.
Every mirror match up is like that DLO. It's hardly something you can hold over PvP as a prime example of its superiority.
On June 04 2014 21:58 DarkLordOlli wrote: Great game by Paralyze. Not feeling too bad for Life... I hate muta/corruptor D:
You hate everything thats not PvP though
I do enjoy PvZ a lot if it involves lots of tech switching. Muta corruptor is the exact opposite though. There's just a giant blob of corruptors flying around all game, protecting mutas until someone messes up. Yesyes, infestors. Now that's just as obnoxious as it gets, adding fungal into that D:
All I understood was I like PvZ when HerO wins
You forgot "PvP is better than TvT"
That as well
Just for the fun of it, can someone quote a DLO quote up where he defends PVP?
What about this one right here
PvP is a super intelligent matchup where almost any unit has its place and can be useful.
On June 04 2014 21:58 DarkLordOlli wrote: Great game by Paralyze. Not feeling too bad for Life... I hate muta/corruptor D:
You hate everything thats not PvP though
I do enjoy PvZ a lot if it involves lots of tech switching. Muta corruptor is the exact opposite though. There's just a giant blob of corruptors flying around all game, protecting mutas until someone messes up. Yesyes, infestors. Now that's just as obnoxious as it gets, adding fungal into that D:
All I understood was I like PvZ when HerO wins
You forgot "PvP is better than TvT"
That as well
Just for the fun of it, can someone quote a DLO quote up where he defends PVP?
What about this one right here
PvP is a super intelligent matchup where almost any unit has its place and can be useful.
On June 04 2014 21:58 DarkLordOlli wrote: Great game by Paralyze. Not feeling too bad for Life... I hate muta/corruptor D:
You hate everything thats not PvP though
I do enjoy PvZ a lot if it involves lots of tech switching. Muta corruptor is the exact opposite though. There's just a giant blob of corruptors flying around all game, protecting mutas until someone messes up. Yesyes, infestors. Now that's just as obnoxious as it gets, adding fungal into that D:
All I understood was I like PvZ when HerO wins
You forgot "PvP is better than TvT"
That as well
Just for the fun of it, can someone quote a DLO quote up where he defends PVP?
What about this one right here
PvP is a super intelligent matchup where almost any unit has its place and can be useful.
On June 04 2014 21:58 DarkLordOlli wrote: Great game by Paralyze. Not feeling too bad for Life... I hate muta/corruptor D:
You hate everything thats not PvP though
I do enjoy PvZ a lot if it involves lots of tech switching. Muta corruptor is the exact opposite though. There's just a giant blob of corruptors flying around all game, protecting mutas until someone messes up. Yesyes, infestors. Now that's just as obnoxious as it gets, adding fungal into that D:
All I understood was I like PvZ when HerO wins
You forgot "PvP is better than TvT"
That as well
Just for the fun of it, can someone quote a DLO quote up where he defends PVP?
What about this one right here
PvP is a super intelligent matchup where almost any unit has its place and can be useful.
Good strategy or not, Muta/Corrupter is painful to watch for entertainment purposes.
Also, Life has a habit of playing like Shine on some days. And when you do that, sometimes you win in trolling fashion. And sometimes you fail epically like today.
On June 04 2014 21:59 GumBa wrote: [quote] You hate everything thats not PvP though
I do enjoy PvZ a lot if it involves lots of tech switching. Muta corruptor is the exact opposite though. There's just a giant blob of corruptors flying around all game, protecting mutas until someone messes up. Yesyes, infestors. Now that's just as obnoxious as it gets, adding fungal into that D:
All I understood was I like PvZ when HerO wins
You forgot "PvP is better than TvT"
That as well
Just for the fun of it, can someone quote a DLO quote up where he defends PVP?
What about this one right here
PvP is a super intelligent matchup where almost any unit has its place and can be useful.
On June 04 2014 21:58 DarkLordOlli wrote: Great game by Paralyze. Not feeling too bad for Life... I hate muta/corruptor D:
You hate everything thats not PvP though
I do enjoy PvZ a lot if it involves lots of tech switching. Muta corruptor is the exact opposite though. There's just a giant blob of corruptors flying around all game, protecting mutas until someone messes up. Yesyes, infestors. Now that's just as obnoxious as it gets, adding fungal into that D:
All I understood was I like PvZ when HerO wins
You forgot "PvP is better than TvT"
That as well
Just for the fun of it, can someone quote a DLO quote up where he defends PVP?
What about this one right here
PvP is a super intelligent matchup where almost any unit has its place and can be useful.
Every mirror match up is like that DLO. It's hardly something you can hold over PvP as a prime example of its superiority.
I do enjoy PvZ a lot if it involves lots of tech switching. Muta corruptor is the exact opposite though. There's just a giant blob of corruptors flying around all game, protecting mutas until someone messes up. Yesyes, infestors. Now that's just as obnoxious as it gets, adding fungal into that D:
All I understood was I like PvZ when HerO wins
You forgot "PvP is better than TvT"
That as well
Just for the fun of it, can someone quote a DLO quote up where he defends PVP?
What about this one right here
PvP is a super intelligent matchup where almost any unit has its place and can be useful.
On June 04 2014 21:58 DarkLordOlli wrote: Great game by Paralyze. Not feeling too bad for Life... I hate muta/corruptor D:
You hate everything thats not PvP though
I do enjoy PvZ a lot if it involves lots of tech switching. Muta corruptor is the exact opposite though. There's just a giant blob of corruptors flying around all game, protecting mutas until someone messes up. Yesyes, infestors. Now that's just as obnoxious as it gets, adding fungal into that D:
Tech switching is dead. Its either muta/corruptor or SH/Corruptor/Spore/Viper.
Or Roach/Ling/Hydra/Vipers, or Hydra/Lings into Mutas, or Ultras/Queens/Infestors/Vipers into Mass Mutas, or mass Corruptors/Mutas into mass Swarm Hosts, or....
Tech switching is not the same as teching up. Also,mass muta switches only work if you're opponent is way behind, has no infrastructure or gets caught completely unawares.
On June 04 2014 21:58 DarkLordOlli wrote: Great game by Paralyze. Not feeling too bad for Life... I hate muta/corruptor D:
You hate everything thats not PvP though
I do enjoy PvZ a lot if it involves lots of tech switching. Muta corruptor is the exact opposite though. There's just a giant blob of corruptors flying around all game, protecting mutas until someone messes up. Yesyes, infestors. Now that's just as obnoxious as it gets, adding fungal into that D:
All I understood was I like PvZ when HerO wins
You forgot "PvP is better than TvT"
That as well
Just for the fun of it, can someone quote a DLO quote up where he defends PVP?
What about this one right here
PvP is a super intelligent matchup where almost any unit has its place and can be useful.
Every mirror match up is like that DLO.
The last ZvZ I saw was 60 roaches vs 65 roaches.
With burrow.
Ok and what's your point?
The last PvP I saw was decided by a concave of Immortals vs a convex of Immortals. It's the exact same dynamic just with filler units.
Doesn't change the fact that ZvZ can be played in a huge variety of ways even though the dominant strategy in Korean televised matches is Roach v Roach.
On June 04 2014 21:59 GumBa wrote: [quote] You hate everything thats not PvP though
I do enjoy PvZ a lot if it involves lots of tech switching. Muta corruptor is the exact opposite though. There's just a giant blob of corruptors flying around all game, protecting mutas until someone messes up. Yesyes, infestors. Now that's just as obnoxious as it gets, adding fungal into that D:
All I understood was I like PvZ when HerO wins
You forgot "PvP is better than TvT"
That as well
Just for the fun of it, can someone quote a DLO quote up where he defends PVP?
What about this one right here
PvP is a super intelligent matchup where almost any unit has its place and can be useful.
Every mirror match up is like that DLO.
The last ZvZ I saw was 60 roaches vs 65 roaches.
With burrow.
Ok and what's your point?
The last PvP I saw was decided by a concave of Immortals vs a convex of Immortals. It's the exact same dynamic just with filler units.
Doesn't change the fact that ZvZ can be played in a huge variety of ways even though the dominant strategy in Korean televised matches is Roach v Roach.
On June 04 2014 21:58 DarkLordOlli wrote: Great game by Paralyze. Not feeling too bad for Life... I hate muta/corruptor D:
You hate everything thats not PvP though
I do enjoy PvZ a lot if it involves lots of tech switching. Muta corruptor is the exact opposite though. There's just a giant blob of corruptors flying around all game, protecting mutas until someone messes up. Yesyes, infestors. Now that's just as obnoxious as it gets, adding fungal into that D:
All I understood was I like PvZ when HerO wins
You forgot "PvP is better than TvT"
That as well
Just for the fun of it, can someone quote a DLO quote up where he defends PVP?
Which one? I got a million of them
The best one!
Here are some, actually really easy to find cause 99% of Olli's post are about HerO or PvP + Show Spoiler +
On March 12 2014 19:32 DarkLordOlli wrote: PVP RULES
On March 12 2014 18:13 DarkLordOlli wrote: Sitting in an internet cafe at 10am to watch a PvP group
On May 18 2014 18:57 ReMinD_ wrote: How did that happen? Ok, herO lost all his Collosi, but for whatever reason Flash flew his CC to those Stalkers. 22 SCVs vs. 45 probes, 2 base vs. 2 base.
MULEs + Flash's exceptional macro.
Don't be silly everyone knows you can't have exceptional macro in SC2
→ Insert random phrase about how everyone can have good macro in SC2.
I'm always surprised when people seriously claim that there is no difference in macro between someone like Flash or Bomber and a lower tier foreign Terran or something, it feels kind of obvious that there is.
It's probably something to do with SC2 being a no-skill game or something.
On May 21 2014 03:07 Squat wrote: That's what happens when you stack lots of terrans in a group, you get great games. Funny how that works.
That's what happens when a race you like has many matches, you like the matches. Funny how that works.
How many people do you know that dislike TvT? Best mirror by far, maybe best MU period.
Not even best mirror, PvP beats it. I stand by it.
On September 25 2013 21:38 DarkLordOlli wrote: PvP probably has the widest range of viable builds, strategies and tech routes out of any matchup. Every unit has a role in PvP. It's pretty cool.
On November 16 2013 23:56 DarkLordOlli wrote: This game is a prime example of why I prefer PvP over TvT
On February 02 2014 03:25 DarkLordOlli wrote: PvP is really fun at the highest level
On February 08 2014 08:42 DarkLordOlli wrote: PvP is a great matchup, haters gon hate
On February 09 2014 08:40 DarkLordOlli wrote: HerO 0 - 1 viOLet
10pool gamble on Frost caught HerO's nexus first
10 POOL IS THE TRUTH
Nexus first gamble gets caught by God of all Builds 10 pool.
Yeah except it was blind. if HerO had spawned in the bottom left Violet would have lost instantly
the nexus first was blind too, no?
There's no forge opening as protoss that doesn't put you behind if zerg doesn't early pool. So you might say that protoss always has to gamble a bit vs zerg with the openings.
or he could just go gateway first
Then viOLet can gamble on a 3hatch before pool (like he did successfully this game).
I've always wondered. Naniwa called Duckdeok a coin flipper, but when he did it himself, he called it mindgames. What is the difference?
The difference is that PvP is about flipping coins and you can flip them responsibly or carelessly.
On June 04 2014 21:59 GumBa wrote: [quote] You hate everything thats not PvP though
I do enjoy PvZ a lot if it involves lots of tech switching. Muta corruptor is the exact opposite though. There's just a giant blob of corruptors flying around all game, protecting mutas until someone messes up. Yesyes, infestors. Now that's just as obnoxious as it gets, adding fungal into that D:
All I understood was I like PvZ when HerO wins
You forgot "PvP is better than TvT"
That as well
Just for the fun of it, can someone quote a DLO quote up where he defends PVP?
What about this one right here
PvP is a super intelligent matchup where almost any unit has its place and can be useful.
Every mirror match up is like that DLO.
The last ZvZ I saw was 60 roaches vs 65 roaches.
With burrow.
Ok and what's your point?
The last PvP I saw was decided by a concave of Immortals vs a convex of Immortals. It's the exact same dynamic just with filler units.
Doesn't change the fact that ZvZ can be played in a huge variety of ways even though the dominant strategy in Korean televised matches is Roach v Roach.
The point is that every ZvZ is roach vs roach. And it's been that way for a long time. If it gets past that stage we get free units vs free units.
PvP is the matchup with the most possible openings that each can be dissected and ripped apart if you analyze them and are smart enough to come up with a counter. There's room for a lot more variety in PvP than the other two mirrors. Of course that goes both ways because we can get herO vs sOs finals just as we can get Warer Invitational MC vs HerO finals which was amazing.
All in all I find PvP the most interesting mirror because absolutely everything is possible. Once you wrap your head around the different openings and their purpose/how they play out against other ones, it's a very enjoyable matchup.
On June 04 2014 22:01 Morphage wrote: Ro8 is looking pretty boring so far imo
Because who wants underdogs or breakout players? Why on Earth would we tune in to watch the unexpected or the surprising? We are Starcraft fans, and we demand nothing but the best! And don't you try to say someone deserves it more for little things like "beating" or "outplaying" others. We know who the best are, that's why we keep inviting them to every tournament in every corner of the globe!
Seriously, dude, this bracket looks sick as hell. Classic, an unexpected breakout performer who isn't afraid to go for absurd cheese. Solar, the team league master whose always had his Achilles heel in the GSL. Paralyze, the most doubted player in all of Code S, who just keeps knocking off the biggest names. TRUE, a player whose style is anything but cookie-cutter, who will redefine SO MANY BANELINGS if you let him.
And then the stars. Maru, best Terran in the world. soO, The Man who Would be Kong.
And then we see the final group. Soulkey, often seen as the top Zerg. Innovation, the robotic Terran who proves you can succeed on a foreign team. Zest, the all-powerful defending GSL champion. Or we might just see another new story unfold with a little cheeser that knocked out the World Champ.
I do enjoy PvZ a lot if it involves lots of tech switching. Muta corruptor is the exact opposite though. There's just a giant blob of corruptors flying around all game, protecting mutas until someone messes up. Yesyes, infestors. Now that's just as obnoxious as it gets, adding fungal into that D:
All I understood was I like PvZ when HerO wins
You forgot "PvP is better than TvT"
That as well
Just for the fun of it, can someone quote a DLO quote up where he defends PVP?
What about this one right here
PvP is a super intelligent matchup where almost any unit has its place and can be useful.
Every mirror match up is like that DLO.
The last ZvZ I saw was 60 roaches vs 65 roaches.
With burrow.
Ok and what's your point?
The last PvP I saw was decided by a concave of Immortals vs a convex of Immortals. It's the exact same dynamic just with filler units.
Doesn't change the fact that ZvZ can be played in a huge variety of ways even though the dominant strategy in Korean televised matches is Roach v Roach.
The point is that every ZvZ is roach vs roach. And it's been that way for a long time. If it gets past that stage we get free units vs free units.
PvP is the matchup with the most possible openings that each can be dissected and ripped apart if you analyze them and are smart enough to come up with a counter. There's room for a lot more variety in PvP than the other two mirrors. Of course that goes both ways because we can get herO vs sOs finals just as we can get Warer Invitational MC vs HerO finals which was amazing.
All in all I find PvP the most interesting mirror because absolutely everything is possible. Once you wrap your head around the different openings and their purpose/how they play out against other ones, it's a very enjoyable matchup.
It's also the matchup that gives the world the most build order losses and wins of all time, which is kind of a pain in the ass. You can tell me that "Oh well that shows how smart and brilliant and godlike Protoss players have to be to scout literally everything" but top top TOP players get beaten in PvP based on builds all the time which sometimes can be a real shame.
On June 04 2014 22:01 Morphage wrote: Ro8 is looking pretty boring so far imo
Because who wants underdogs or breakout players? Why on Earth would we tune in to watch the unexpected or the surprising? We are Starcraft fans, and we demand nothing but the best! And don't you try to say someone deserves it more for little things like "beating" or "outplaying" others. We know who the best are, that's why we keep inviting them to every tournament in every corner of the globe!
Seriously, dude, this bracket looks sick as hell. Classic, an unexpected breakout performer who isn't afraid to go for absurd cheese. Solar, the team league master whose always had his Achilles heel in the GSL. Paralyze, the most doubted player in all of Code S, who just keeps knocking off the biggest names. TRUE, a player whose style is anything but cookie-cutter, who will redefine SO MANY BANELINGS if you let him.
And then the stars. Maru, best Terran in the world. soO, The Man who Would be Kong.
And then we see the final group. Soulkey, often seen as the top Zerg. Innovation, the robotic Terran who proves you can succeed on a foreign team. Zest, the all-powerful defending GSL champion. Or we might just see another new story unfold with a little cheeser that knocked out the World Champ.
Eh but Afrotoss got a haircut. What are we supposed to call him now? Boring season boring game.
On June 04 2014 22:23 stuchiu wrote: Everything is possible in TvT too. There are a dozen different openings with a dozen more ways to react and counter react to everything.
On June 04 2014 22:23 stuchiu wrote: Everything is possible in TvT too. There are a dozen different openings with a dozen more ways to react and counter react to everything.
I'm willing to bet that there aren't half as many as there are in PvP.
On June 04 2014 22:23 stuchiu wrote: Everything is possible in TvT too. There are a dozen different openings with a dozen more ways to react and counter react to everything.
I'm willing to bet that there aren't half as many as there are in PvP.
On June 04 2014 22:23 stuchiu wrote: Everything is possible in TvT too. There are a dozen different openings with a dozen more ways to react and counter react to everything.
I'm willing to bet that there aren't half as many as there are in PvP.
I'm willing to bet that SuperNova has more TvT build orders than there are PvP build orders
On June 04 2014 22:23 stuchiu wrote: Everything is possible in TvT too. There are a dozen different openings with a dozen more ways to react and counter react to everything.
On June 04 2014 22:23 stuchiu wrote: Everything is possible in TvT too. There are a dozen different openings with a dozen more ways to react and counter react to everything.
I'm willing to bet that there aren't half as many as there are in PvP.
I'm willing to bet that TvT is still the preferred matchup for a large majority of the viewing audience. And no it's not because we're not all as smart as you
On June 04 2014 22:23 stuchiu wrote: Everything is possible in TvT too. There are a dozen different openings with a dozen more ways to react and counter react to everything.
I'm willing to bet that there aren't half as many as there are in PvP.
I'm willing to bet that SuperNova has more TvT build orders than there are PvP build orders
Can confirm, have been watching his stream lately. Dude does some wild ass shit in TvT.
On June 04 2014 22:23 stuchiu wrote: Everything is possible in TvT too. There are a dozen different openings with a dozen more ways to react and counter react to everything.
I'm willing to bet that there aren't half as many as there are in PvP.
I'm willing to bet that TvT is still the preferred matchup for a large majority of the viewing audience. And no it's not because we're not all as smart as you
I was never arguing that though
I don't really know what I'm arguing actually, people are arguing against my liking of PvP
On June 04 2014 22:23 stuchiu wrote: Everything is possible in TvT too. There are a dozen different openings with a dozen more ways to react and counter react to everything.
I'm willing to bet that there aren't half as many as there are in PvP.
I'm willing to bet that TvT is still the preferred matchup for a large majority of the viewing audience. And no it's not because we're not all as smart as you
I was never arguing that though
I don't really know what I'm arguing actually, people are arguing against my liking of PvP
I imagine if you say "I like PvP" you won't get much of a reaction. But when you say "PvP is the best matchup" (I'm not actually sure if you've said this) then you get some people who know TvT and TvZ exist kinda riled up. :D
On June 04 2014 22:23 stuchiu wrote: Everything is possible in TvT too. There are a dozen different openings with a dozen more ways to react and counter react to everything.
I'm willing to bet that there aren't half as many as there are in PvP.
1 gas banshee 2 gas banshee wm/marine openings marine/hellion openings reaper/hellion proxy maruader proxy reaper proxy mine proxy tank rax lift Hellbat drop cc first into multi marines proxy rax into triple cc rax first into cc mass hellions proxy thor rush Viking hellion openings Raven rush into a bust Raven rush into macro games 1 banshee into triple cc Ghost Cloak Rush
Off the top of my head. WIthouteven going into the subtlties of gas timings, where you build the natural cc, the difference between an agro/efensive build, are builds that look he same but play completely different because you're either TY or Supernova.
And a majority of these builds were back from WoL, when I used to play Terran before the queen patch.
I said I enjoy PvP the most out of all three mirrors. There was like one instance where I may have said PvP is better than TvT but what I meant was I THINK that.
On June 04 2014 22:23 stuchiu wrote: Everything is possible in TvT too. There are a dozen different openings with a dozen more ways to react and counter react to everything.
I'm willing to bet that there aren't half as many as there are in PvP.
I'm willing to bet that TvT is still the preferred matchup for a large majority of the viewing audience. And no it's not because we're not all as smart as you
I was never arguing that though
I don't really know what I'm arguing actually, people are arguing against my liking of PvP
I imagine if you say "I like PvP" you won't get much of a reaction. But when you say "PvP is the best matchup" (I'm not actually sure if you've said this) then you get some people who know TvT and TvZ exist kinda riled up. :D
Oh he's definitely said it. I still have the bruise on my forehead from when I facepalmed reading it.
I've definitely also read him say before that PvP is only disliked because "people don't understand it."
On June 04 2014 22:33 DarkLordOlli wrote: I said I enjoy PvP the most out of all three mirrors. There was like one instance where I may have said PvP is better than TvT but what I meant was I THINK that.
I just think you're underrating the complexities of TvT though D:
On June 04 2014 22:37 Vindicare605 wrote: BTW Stuchiu reading through your post on TvT got me wondering.
What units have you ever NOT seen proxy rushed in TvT?
The only one I can think of is a Raven or a Ghost. I've seen every other unit proxy rushed.
I've seen ghosts proxy rushed on streams a few times. SeleCT killed a terran who was 1 rax expanding (for some reason) with a ghost rush because he just sniped all the marines that were out.
On June 04 2014 22:37 Vindicare605 wrote: BTW Stuchiu reading through your post on TvT got me wondering.
What units have you ever NOT seen proxy rushed in TvT?
The only one I can think of is a Raven or a Ghost. I've seen every other unit proxy rushed.
I've seen ghosts proxy rushed on streams a few times. SeleCT killed a terran who was 1 rax expanding (for some reason) with a ghost rush because he just sniped all the marines that were out.
I suppose pre-Snipe nerf that's possible, I think I remember seeing QXC do something similar.
So it's just Raven then? Every other Terran unit has been successfully proxy rushed?
On June 04 2014 22:37 Vindicare605 wrote: BTW Stuchiu reading through your post on TvT got me wondering.
What units have you ever NOT seen proxy rushed in TvT?
The only one I can think of is a Raven or a Ghost. I've seen every other unit proxy rushed.
I've seen ghosts proxy rushed on streams a few times. SeleCT killed a terran who was 1 rax expanding (for some reason) with a ghost rush because he just sniped all the marines that were out.
Ghost rush is a really old school TvT build where you attack really early because snipes killed marines in one shot.
On June 04 2014 22:37 Vindicare605 wrote: BTW Stuchiu reading through your post on TvT got me wondering.
What units have you ever NOT seen proxy rushed in TvT?
The only one I can think of is a Raven or a Ghost. I've seen every other unit proxy rushed.
I've seen ghosts proxy rushed on streams a few times. SeleCT killed a terran who was 1 rax expanding (for some reason) with a ghost rush because he just sniped all the marines that were out.
I suppose pre-Snipe nerf that's possible, I think I remember seeing QXC do something similar.
So it's just Raven then? Every other Terran unit has been successfully proxy rushed?
Raven proxy is innovation's hidden strat for his group.
I don't know why people are so surprised. Solar has been Samsung's vP sniper since his debut so at least to me, he was #1 or #2 to advance from the group + Rain hasn't been playing like he used to for looong time. Was hoping for Solar and Life to advance but at least I got Solar. Congrats to Solar and ParalyzE!
On June 04 2014 23:17 TR wrote: I don't know why people are so surprised. Solar has been Samsung's vP sniper since his debut so at least to me, he was #1 or #2 to advance from the group + Rain hasn't been playing like he used to for looong time. Was hoping for Solar and Life to advance but at least I got Solar. Congrats to Solar and ParalyzE!
Have you watched PL since Round 1 though? That was the last time Solar played well vs P pretty much.
On June 04 2014 23:17 TR wrote: I don't know why people are so surprised. Solar has been Samsung's vP sniper since his debut so at least to me, he was #1 or #2 to advance from the group + Rain hasn't been playing like he used to for looong time. Was hoping for Solar and Life to advance but at least I got Solar. Congrats to Solar and ParalyzE!
Have you watched PL since Round 1 though? That was the last time Solar played well vs P pretty much.
I know but it's still one of his better MU's and he's definitely capable of playing pretty well vs P.
On June 04 2014 22:37 Vindicare605 wrote: BTW Stuchiu reading through your post on TvT got me wondering.
What units have you ever NOT seen proxy rushed in TvT?
The only one I can think of is a Raven or a Ghost. I've seen every other unit proxy rushed.
I've seen ghosts proxy rushed on streams a few times. SeleCT killed a terran who was 1 rax expanding (for some reason) with a ghost rush because he just sniped all the marines that were out.
I believe I've seen TLO do that too a very very long time ago on his stream, he annihilated every marine with snipe, it was hilarious.
On June 04 2014 23:17 TR wrote: I don't know why people are so surprised.
lol.
Not sure what you mean by "lol." but I guess you're saying it was a huge surprise or something and everyone should be surprised. 2 big fan favorites who aren't as "dominant" as they used to be long-ish time ago lose to two other Code S RO16 players that are just less known and not as big names and some people are almost shocked. I'm not saying Life or Rain are bad, they are both really really good and for sure still favored over ParalyzE and Solar, but it's not like they are gonna win 90% sure.
Now...if one of the Zergs wins the last group, and Innovation makes it out 2nd, we will have 4 mirror matchups in the Ro8 (2 ZvZs, one PvP, and holy fuck, a TvT!)
It might be because I don't watch as many games as I used to but Starcraft II has looked very volatile to me for a very long time now (Dare I say since HOTS?). I was worried this would happen and hence I'm not that surprised. I miss the time where I could be confident that the player I was rooting for would win (and this was easy because it was Mvp !!)
On June 05 2014 03:29 Loccstana wrote: Poor life, poor rain. Both of them lost :/
Yeah, feel similar about them not advancing. On the other hand, Code S is the most brutal SC2 tournament there is. If you don't perform your absolute best upsets are bound to happen. Solar and Paralyze played better when it mattered.
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