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mqto
Profile Joined August 2011
54 Posts
March 05 2014 11:07 GMT
#521
I heard msc vision range update was huge nerf to protoss and fixed the game already. So let's just enjoy the games.
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
March 05 2014 11:07 GMT
#522
On March 05 2014 20:04 VisonKai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2014 20:02 Qwerty85 wrote:
On March 05 2014 19:57 VisonKai wrote:
On March 05 2014 19:55 Qwerty85 wrote:
On March 05 2014 19:54 VisonKai wrote:
On March 05 2014 19:53 Panozen wrote:
On March 05 2014 19:52 Arceus wrote:
On March 05 2014 19:49 sharkie wrote:
sOs is one of the players who abuses his race to the max
i wonder what blizzard balance staff says about him

Hes the only one to do so and make it entertaining. You gotta respect that

The entertaining part is debatable imo


He's been doing it forever and always been entertaining. Your hate blinds you, my son.


Again, entertaining for you. Opinions are not facts.


Sure, and I have a friend that thinks TvZ is the worst matchup in the game. Doesn't mean that people are going to stop saying TvZ is the most entertaining.


Well interesting that you bring that up. Because the way the "most interesting matchup" (TvZ) usually unfolds is through long macro games. Usually the player with better macro and mechanics wins. Other than that it is pretty straight forward and based mostly on skill, not sucker punch moves. Compare it to PvZ and PvT where cheese is much more common.

So if majority prefers games like TvZ (and based on the best games of 2013 thread, they do) I don't understand how they could enjoy sOs type of PvZ as well at the same time.Or how could they enjoy the way HerO played against Innovation at IEM.


TvZ is popular because it's tense the whole game and back and forth. sOs PvZ is very similar, everything balances on a hair's edge when he's cheesing you because if you screw up once you KNOW sOs is going to punish it.

Cheeses and all-ins aren't similar to back and forth games.... when you cheese/all-in you win or you get crushed, I barely see any cheese that goes back and forth except if the winning guy fucks up badly(like Jaedong at IEM against HerO).
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Furikawari
Profile Joined February 2014
France2522 Posts
March 05 2014 11:08 GMT
#523
On March 05 2014 20:06 Scarecrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2014 20:01 Furikawari wrote:
On March 05 2014 19:58 RaFox17 wrote:
On March 05 2014 19:56 Scarecrow wrote:
Blame Life for going hatch first, sOs just played smart.

Someone could also say that protoss has too many ways to open against T and Z and those aggressive openings also drastically limits what Z and T can do and almost always end up with toss being ahead.

This. You play safe? You're far behind. You play more aggressive? You get "punished". You try a greedy approach? You get "punished" too.

Typical frenchman. Loves a good wine.

Thanks for this really interesting post.
Swiipii
Profile Joined January 2012
2195 Posts
March 05 2014 11:09 GMT
#524
On March 05 2014 20:01 Parcelleus wrote:
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On March 05 2014 19:56 Swiipii wrote:
On March 05 2014 19:53 Parcelleus wrote:
NO such thing as cheese, only strats. Cheese was invented by players who can only face a particular type of strat , an excuse (the word cheese) for not being able to face 'aggressive" strats.

Found the Protoss fanboy.


Found a player who cant face aggressive strats.

Lol. If protoss players could get "punished" the same way Zergs get punished they'll shut up.
Panozen
Profile Joined August 2013
248 Posts
March 05 2014 11:09 GMT
#525
On March 05 2014 20:04 VisonKai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2014 20:02 Qwerty85 wrote:
On March 05 2014 19:57 VisonKai wrote:
On March 05 2014 19:55 Qwerty85 wrote:
On March 05 2014 19:54 VisonKai wrote:
On March 05 2014 19:53 Panozen wrote:
On March 05 2014 19:52 Arceus wrote:
On March 05 2014 19:49 sharkie wrote:
sOs is one of the players who abuses his race to the max
i wonder what blizzard balance staff says about him

Hes the only one to do so and make it entertaining. You gotta respect that

The entertaining part is debatable imo


He's been doing it forever and always been entertaining. Your hate blinds you, my son.


Again, entertaining for you. Opinions are not facts.


Sure, and I have a friend that thinks TvZ is the worst matchup in the game. Doesn't mean that people are going to stop saying TvZ is the most entertaining.


Well interesting that you bring that up. Because the way the "most interesting matchup" (TvZ) usually unfolds is through long macro games. Usually the player with better macro and mechanics wins. Other than that it is pretty straight forward and based mostly on skill, not sucker punch moves. Compare it to PvZ and PvT where cheese is much more common.

So if majority prefers games like TvZ (and based on the best games of 2013 thread, they do) I don't understand how they could enjoy sOs type of PvZ as well at the same time.Or how could they enjoy the way HerO played against Innovation at IEM.


TvZ is popular because it's tense the whole game and back and forth. sOs PvZ is very similar, everything balances on a hair's edge when he's cheesing you because if you screw up once you KNOW sOs is going to punish it.


With TvZ there's just much more of a 'fighting on equal ground' feeling than there is PvX, everything Protoss does is just perceived as abusive, if they gain an advantage with a push 9/10 they just straight up win no coming back, no sniping the reinforcements etc. sos his style is just perceived as less annoying since it's not standard P play and he's innovative. If his play was the standard it would get hated all the same
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
March 05 2014 11:09 GMT
#526
Curious has too much multitask for this nerd.
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Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
March 05 2014 11:10 GMT
#527
On March 05 2014 20:04 RaFox17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2014 20:03 Scarecrow wrote:
On March 05 2014 19:58 RaFox17 wrote:
On March 05 2014 19:56 Scarecrow wrote:
Blame Life for going hatch first, sOs just played smart.

Someone could also say that protoss has too many ways to open against T and Z and those aggressive openings also drastically limits what Z and T can do and almost always end up with toss being ahead.

Ridiculous how warped your perspective on this game is.

Please educate me.

Saying aggressive openings "almost always" put toss ahead is bullshit. If it were true pro toss players must really suck for failing to convert so many leads.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
March 05 2014 11:10 GMT
#528
On March 05 2014 20:04 NovaMB wrote:
My cat paused the stream and now source is gone -.-


Apply some mustard to bunghole. That should teach cat not to fiddle with your stuff. One has got to be firm when raising felines.
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
March 05 2014 11:10 GMT
#529
You know, you couldn't really tell Curious vs Roro was happening from this thread at all.
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51485 Posts
March 05 2014 11:11 GMT
#530
On March 05 2014 20:09 stuchiu wrote:
Curious has too much multitask for this nerd.


Those who under estimate RorO power him up passed Super Sayian 4 and he just goes ham on everything.
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
March 05 2014 11:12 GMT
#531
Look guys, Hydras are viable now. Also I cant tell if its a Roach or creep.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
March 05 2014 11:12 GMT
#532
What Artosis? We maek roachz in this matchup!
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Swiipii
Profile Joined January 2012
2195 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-05 11:13:53
March 05 2014 11:13 GMT
#533
On March 05 2014 20:10 stuchiu wrote:
You know, you couldn't really tell Curious vs Roro was happening from this thread at all.

Curious is outplaying Roro. Not much to see. :d

Well until he attacked before 2-2.
herMan
Profile Joined November 2010
Japan2053 Posts
March 05 2014 11:13 GMT
#534
Where is tasteless? no passion????
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51485 Posts
March 05 2014 11:13 GMT
#535
ROACHES ERRYWHERE
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
rothsbury
Profile Joined January 2012
Australia1654 Posts
March 05 2014 11:13 GMT
#536
On March 05 2014 20:10 Scarecrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2014 20:04 RaFox17 wrote:
On March 05 2014 20:03 Scarecrow wrote:
On March 05 2014 19:58 RaFox17 wrote:
On March 05 2014 19:56 Scarecrow wrote:
Blame Life for going hatch first, sOs just played smart.

Someone could also say that protoss has too many ways to open against T and Z and those aggressive openings also drastically limits what Z and T can do and almost always end up with toss being ahead.

Ridiculous how warped your perspective on this game is.

Please educate me.

Saying aggressive openings "almost always" put toss ahead is bullshit. If it were true pro toss players must really suck for failing to convert so many leads.

That's a bingo!
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37024 Posts
March 05 2014 11:13 GMT
#537
ZvZ is so boring...
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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RaFox17
Profile Joined May 2013
Finland4581 Posts
March 05 2014 11:13 GMT
#538
On March 05 2014 20:10 Scarecrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2014 20:04 RaFox17 wrote:
On March 05 2014 20:03 Scarecrow wrote:
On March 05 2014 19:58 RaFox17 wrote:
On March 05 2014 19:56 Scarecrow wrote:
Blame Life for going hatch first, sOs just played smart.

Someone could also say that protoss has too many ways to open against T and Z and those aggressive openings also drastically limits what Z and T can do and almost always end up with toss being ahead.

Ridiculous how warped your perspective on this game is.

Please educate me.

Saying aggressive openings "almost always" put toss ahead is bullshit. If it were true pro toss players must really suck for failing to convert so many leads.

The thing is that those builds limit what T and Z can do by only existing. Also MSC allows you to nexus first v Z against any builds. (see oracle v t for easy reference)
Nomzter
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden2802 Posts
March 05 2014 11:14 GMT
#539
I wish zergs could cannon rush, maybe that would make zvz fun
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51485 Posts
March 05 2014 11:14 GMT
#540
RorO is being a sneaky snake ;o
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
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