• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 04:36
CEST 10:36
KST 17:36
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play1Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview8
Community News
[TLMC] Summer 2026 Ladder Map Rotation05.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start)83ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo37Weekly Cups (June 8-14): Clem and Solar double, PTR tested0RSL: S6 Finals played at BlizzCon 202611
StarCraft 2
General
Is the larve respawn broken? The Death of Cheese: From a Professional Cheeser 5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start) Old Replays From 1.4.6 The future of the SC game model
Tourneys
Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28) Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event INu's Battles#17 <BO.9> Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery Mutation # 530 One For All
Brood War
General
ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool ProGamer Paychecks Story Best thing happen to StarCraft since Remastered? Data needed BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Grand Finals The Casual Games of the Week Thread [BSL22] GosuLeague Casts - Tue & Thu 22:00 CEST
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies Why doesn't anyone use restoration?
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI Canadian Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Listen To The Coaches!
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 21882 users

[Code S] Ro16 Group A Season 1 2014 - Page 27

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 25 26 27 28 29 44 Next All
mqto
Profile Joined August 2011
54 Posts
March 05 2014 11:07 GMT
#521
I heard msc vision range update was huge nerf to protoss and fixed the game already. So let's just enjoy the games.
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
March 05 2014 11:07 GMT
#522
On March 05 2014 20:04 VisonKai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2014 20:02 Qwerty85 wrote:
On March 05 2014 19:57 VisonKai wrote:
On March 05 2014 19:55 Qwerty85 wrote:
On March 05 2014 19:54 VisonKai wrote:
On March 05 2014 19:53 Panozen wrote:
On March 05 2014 19:52 Arceus wrote:
On March 05 2014 19:49 sharkie wrote:
sOs is one of the players who abuses his race to the max
i wonder what blizzard balance staff says about him

Hes the only one to do so and make it entertaining. You gotta respect that

The entertaining part is debatable imo


He's been doing it forever and always been entertaining. Your hate blinds you, my son.


Again, entertaining for you. Opinions are not facts.


Sure, and I have a friend that thinks TvZ is the worst matchup in the game. Doesn't mean that people are going to stop saying TvZ is the most entertaining.


Well interesting that you bring that up. Because the way the "most interesting matchup" (TvZ) usually unfolds is through long macro games. Usually the player with better macro and mechanics wins. Other than that it is pretty straight forward and based mostly on skill, not sucker punch moves. Compare it to PvZ and PvT where cheese is much more common.

So if majority prefers games like TvZ (and based on the best games of 2013 thread, they do) I don't understand how they could enjoy sOs type of PvZ as well at the same time.Or how could they enjoy the way HerO played against Innovation at IEM.


TvZ is popular because it's tense the whole game and back and forth. sOs PvZ is very similar, everything balances on a hair's edge when he's cheesing you because if you screw up once you KNOW sOs is going to punish it.

Cheeses and all-ins aren't similar to back and forth games.... when you cheese/all-in you win or you get crushed, I barely see any cheese that goes back and forth except if the winning guy fucks up badly(like Jaedong at IEM against HerO).
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Furikawari
Profile Joined February 2014
France2522 Posts
March 05 2014 11:08 GMT
#523
On March 05 2014 20:06 Scarecrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2014 20:01 Furikawari wrote:
On March 05 2014 19:58 RaFox17 wrote:
On March 05 2014 19:56 Scarecrow wrote:
Blame Life for going hatch first, sOs just played smart.

Someone could also say that protoss has too many ways to open against T and Z and those aggressive openings also drastically limits what Z and T can do and almost always end up with toss being ahead.

This. You play safe? You're far behind. You play more aggressive? You get "punished". You try a greedy approach? You get "punished" too.

Typical frenchman. Loves a good wine.

Thanks for this really interesting post.
Swiipii
Profile Joined January 2012
2195 Posts
March 05 2014 11:09 GMT
#524
On March 05 2014 20:01 Parcelleus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2014 19:56 Swiipii wrote:
On March 05 2014 19:53 Parcelleus wrote:
NO such thing as cheese, only strats. Cheese was invented by players who can only face a particular type of strat , an excuse (the word cheese) for not being able to face 'aggressive" strats.

Found the Protoss fanboy.


Found a player who cant face aggressive strats.

Lol. If protoss players could get "punished" the same way Zergs get punished they'll shut up.
Panozen
Profile Joined August 2013
248 Posts
March 05 2014 11:09 GMT
#525
On March 05 2014 20:04 VisonKai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2014 20:02 Qwerty85 wrote:
On March 05 2014 19:57 VisonKai wrote:
On March 05 2014 19:55 Qwerty85 wrote:
On March 05 2014 19:54 VisonKai wrote:
On March 05 2014 19:53 Panozen wrote:
On March 05 2014 19:52 Arceus wrote:
On March 05 2014 19:49 sharkie wrote:
sOs is one of the players who abuses his race to the max
i wonder what blizzard balance staff says about him

Hes the only one to do so and make it entertaining. You gotta respect that

The entertaining part is debatable imo


He's been doing it forever and always been entertaining. Your hate blinds you, my son.


Again, entertaining for you. Opinions are not facts.


Sure, and I have a friend that thinks TvZ is the worst matchup in the game. Doesn't mean that people are going to stop saying TvZ is the most entertaining.


Well interesting that you bring that up. Because the way the "most interesting matchup" (TvZ) usually unfolds is through long macro games. Usually the player with better macro and mechanics wins. Other than that it is pretty straight forward and based mostly on skill, not sucker punch moves. Compare it to PvZ and PvT where cheese is much more common.

So if majority prefers games like TvZ (and based on the best games of 2013 thread, they do) I don't understand how they could enjoy sOs type of PvZ as well at the same time.Or how could they enjoy the way HerO played against Innovation at IEM.


TvZ is popular because it's tense the whole game and back and forth. sOs PvZ is very similar, everything balances on a hair's edge when he's cheesing you because if you screw up once you KNOW sOs is going to punish it.


With TvZ there's just much more of a 'fighting on equal ground' feeling than there is PvX, everything Protoss does is just perceived as abusive, if they gain an advantage with a push 9/10 they just straight up win no coming back, no sniping the reinforcements etc. sos his style is just perceived as less annoying since it's not standard P play and he's innovative. If his play was the standard it would get hated all the same
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
March 05 2014 11:09 GMT
#526
Curious has too much multitask for this nerd.
Moderator
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9174 Posts
March 05 2014 11:10 GMT
#527
On March 05 2014 20:04 RaFox17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2014 20:03 Scarecrow wrote:
On March 05 2014 19:58 RaFox17 wrote:
On March 05 2014 19:56 Scarecrow wrote:
Blame Life for going hatch first, sOs just played smart.

Someone could also say that protoss has too many ways to open against T and Z and those aggressive openings also drastically limits what Z and T can do and almost always end up with toss being ahead.

Ridiculous how warped your perspective on this game is.

Please educate me.

Saying aggressive openings "almost always" put toss ahead is bullshit. If it were true pro toss players must really suck for failing to convert so many leads.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
March 05 2014 11:10 GMT
#528
On March 05 2014 20:04 NovaMB wrote:
My cat paused the stream and now source is gone -.-


Apply some mustard to bunghole. That should teach cat not to fiddle with your stuff. One has got to be firm when raising felines.
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
March 05 2014 11:10 GMT
#529
You know, you couldn't really tell Curious vs Roro was happening from this thread at all.
Moderator
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
March 05 2014 11:11 GMT
#530
On March 05 2014 20:09 stuchiu wrote:
Curious has too much multitask for this nerd.


Those who under estimate RorO power him up passed Super Sayian 4 and he just goes ham on everything.
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
March 05 2014 11:12 GMT
#531
Look guys, Hydras are viable now. Also I cant tell if its a Roach or creep.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
March 05 2014 11:12 GMT
#532
What Artosis? We maek roachz in this matchup!
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Swiipii
Profile Joined January 2012
2195 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-05 11:13:53
March 05 2014 11:13 GMT
#533
On March 05 2014 20:10 stuchiu wrote:
You know, you couldn't really tell Curious vs Roro was happening from this thread at all.

Curious is outplaying Roro. Not much to see. :d

Well until he attacked before 2-2.
herMan
Profile Joined November 2010
Japan2057 Posts
March 05 2014 11:13 GMT
#534
Where is tasteless? no passion????
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
March 05 2014 11:13 GMT
#535
ROACHES ERRYWHERE
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
rothsbury
Profile Joined January 2012
Australia1654 Posts
March 05 2014 11:13 GMT
#536
On March 05 2014 20:10 Scarecrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2014 20:04 RaFox17 wrote:
On March 05 2014 20:03 Scarecrow wrote:
On March 05 2014 19:58 RaFox17 wrote:
On March 05 2014 19:56 Scarecrow wrote:
Blame Life for going hatch first, sOs just played smart.

Someone could also say that protoss has too many ways to open against T and Z and those aggressive openings also drastically limits what Z and T can do and almost always end up with toss being ahead.

Ridiculous how warped your perspective on this game is.

Please educate me.

Saying aggressive openings "almost always" put toss ahead is bullshit. If it were true pro toss players must really suck for failing to convert so many leads.

That's a bingo!
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37095 Posts
March 05 2014 11:13 GMT
#537
ZvZ is so boring...
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
TL+ Member
RaFox17
Profile Joined May 2013
Finland4581 Posts
March 05 2014 11:13 GMT
#538
On March 05 2014 20:10 Scarecrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2014 20:04 RaFox17 wrote:
On March 05 2014 20:03 Scarecrow wrote:
On March 05 2014 19:58 RaFox17 wrote:
On March 05 2014 19:56 Scarecrow wrote:
Blame Life for going hatch first, sOs just played smart.

Someone could also say that protoss has too many ways to open against T and Z and those aggressive openings also drastically limits what Z and T can do and almost always end up with toss being ahead.

Ridiculous how warped your perspective on this game is.

Please educate me.

Saying aggressive openings "almost always" put toss ahead is bullshit. If it were true pro toss players must really suck for failing to convert so many leads.

The thing is that those builds limit what T and Z can do by only existing. Also MSC allows you to nexus first v Z against any builds. (see oracle v t for easy reference)
Nomzter
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden2802 Posts
March 05 2014 11:14 GMT
#539
I wish zergs could cannon rush, maybe that would make zvz fun
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
March 05 2014 11:14 GMT
#540
RorO is being a sneaky snake ;o
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Prev 1 25 26 27 28 29 44 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
RSL Revival
02:00
S6 Americas Server Qualifier
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech58
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 1340
Leta 751
BeSt 626
Hyuk 448
Larva 125
ToSsGirL 27
yabsab 26
Soma 21
ZergMaN 18
Noble 16
[ Show more ]
Bale 10
Purpose 9
Britney 0
League of Legends
JimRising 616
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K943
shoxiejesuss494
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King89
Other Games
summit1g10601
Pyrionflax140
crisheroes109
RuFF_SC254
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 12
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 30
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 11
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos2402
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Weekly
2h 24m
RSL Revival
1d 1h
RSL Revival
1d 8h
Bombastic Starleague
1d 11h
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
OSC
2 days
CrankTV Team League
3 days
Bombastic Starleague
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
[ Show More ]
HomeStory Cup
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
HomeStory Cup
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
HomeStory Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
Douyu Cup 2026
Murky Cup 2026

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
CSL Season 21: Qualifier 2
SCTL 2026 Spring
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026

Upcoming

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
ASL Season 22:Wild Card Qualifier
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
BCC 2026
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E1
Heroes Pulsing #3
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.