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gg in the beginning of game.
Offensive GG! Life is so cheeky :>
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On December 01 2013 04:18 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 04:14 stuchiu wrote:On December 01 2013 04:12 Shikyo wrote:On December 01 2013 04:10 Qwerty85 wrote:On December 01 2013 04:06 samurai80 wrote:On December 01 2013 04:03 Rinny wrote:On December 01 2013 03:52 Shikyo wrote:
How on earth does a bo3 benefit "a style"? Consider the following, there are two starcraft players X and Y, X is slightly better at starcraft and he wins 60% of the games he plays against Y leaving Y to win only 40% . It is entirely possible for Y to play a set number of games with X and win more than him, but if X and Y were to play a million games of starcraft the probability that Y would win more games than X is VERY close to 0 like .000000001% . However if they were to play a 3 games (as in a bo3) the probability that Y would win more games is like 32 percent. Most of the time playing cheesy doesn't result in a win rate of >50% in starcraft II (the exception being in the early days when tournaments were dominated by 1 base scv pulls) because as the game gets figured out and some of those strategies are patched out they lose their effectiveness. But even without a >50% winrate it's totally possible to beat superior opponents. TL;DR Lower amounts of games in a series mean it is more likely for inferior opponents to advance. Which benefits inferior players that is protoss. Is that what you mean ? More like it benefits the player with more opening options. Protoss have much more builds that just straight up kill you if caught by surprise. Flying 4 medivacs full of units into a protoss's army benefits the protoss player. And so is being able to open with: Proxy oracles Proxy gate fast HT Blink aggression DTs Robo with DTs Robo collosus 2 base stalker collosus Zealot ht all-in Protoss just has more variety, but having said all that, none of that had to do with why Patience beat Innovation. lol, you should try to hide your whining better
May I link some online dictionary so you learn the definition of "whine"?
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Haha Apollo has a clear list in his head about who is better than who. Life > Inno > MMA :D. I want to see the full list.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On December 01 2013 04:18 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 04:14 stuchiu wrote:On December 01 2013 04:12 Shikyo wrote:On December 01 2013 04:10 Qwerty85 wrote:On December 01 2013 04:06 samurai80 wrote:On December 01 2013 04:03 Rinny wrote:On December 01 2013 03:52 Shikyo wrote:
How on earth does a bo3 benefit "a style"? Consider the following, there are two starcraft players X and Y, X is slightly better at starcraft and he wins 60% of the games he plays against Y leaving Y to win only 40% . It is entirely possible for Y to play a set number of games with X and win more than him, but if X and Y were to play a million games of starcraft the probability that Y would win more games than X is VERY close to 0 like .000000001% . However if they were to play a 3 games (as in a bo3) the probability that Y would win more games is like 32 percent. Most of the time playing cheesy doesn't result in a win rate of >50% in starcraft II (the exception being in the early days when tournaments were dominated by 1 base scv pulls) because as the game gets figured out and some of those strategies are patched out they lose their effectiveness. But even without a >50% winrate it's totally possible to beat superior opponents. TL;DR Lower amounts of games in a series mean it is more likely for inferior opponents to advance. Which benefits inferior players that is protoss. Is that what you mean ? More like it benefits the player with more opening options. Protoss have much more builds that just straight up kill you if caught by surprise. Flying 4 medivacs full of units into a protoss's army benefits the protoss player. And so is being able to open with: Proxy oracles Proxy gate fast HT Blink aggression DTs Robo with DTs Robo collosus 2 base stalker collosus Zealot ht all-in Protoss just has more variety, but having said all that, none of that had to do with why Patience beat Innovation. lol, you should try to hide your whining better
The only thing that has ever bothered me is indecision. Byun vs Seed g5.
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On December 01 2013 04:20 hansonslee wrote:
gg in the beginning of game.
Offensive GG! Life is so cheeky :>
maybe he wanted Patience to tap out since Life typed gg heheheeeee
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On December 01 2013 04:19 Noonius wrote:Elämä on laiffii. Finnish people will get it 
"Life is life"
Well, that's sort of included in the definition.
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On December 01 2013 04:19 opisska wrote:So i don't know who to root for. Let me help choose: which of these player is easier for Taeja?
I don't know Kev.
I think Life is a much stronger player, but Taeja did so well vs him yesterday. Patience's pvt seems very good though, 2:0 MMA and Innovation... Seems like no easy finals for Taeja either way.
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On December 01 2013 04:19 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 03:59 rinnnedor321 wrote:
i hope flash will soon invent a build that gets a thor in a decent amount of time to shut down all the blink builds
thors are 300-200 and have such high dps they decimate stalkers and zealots and sentrys.
thors lose to immortals but have 7range. if you add 2 thors into your normal bio tactics, the immortals wont be shooting the thors and the thors high dps will help vaporize all the gateway units since the thors would likely target the immortals near the end of the engagement
1-2 thors nicely timed to supplement a bio build to make them immune to blink
the PROBLEM with blink is actually the forcefields. if there was no forcefields terrans could just go bio normally vs blink and be fine. thors are mostly to solve the forcefield problem
blink costs like 150/150 for the upgrade 150/100 for the twilight. thors 150/100 for the armory then 300/200 per thor. imo the cost could probably be worth it considering if you go a standard bio build into a few thors you dont need to spend 600 minerals on bunkers that you otherwise would need to get if you scout blink
getting a few thors in there imo is the best plan to combat the stupid blink stuff which put innovation behind 1000 minerals just cuz he scouted blink and tried to prepare for it
hope flash discovers the right way to everything soon! Not sure if trolling or just that clueless.
i guess the way i see it is... mathematically
you can scout blink and put yourself 1000+ minerals behind like innovation did stopping SCV production + making 4 bunkers + pulling like 5 SCV's for pre emptive repairs
or spend 600/400 on 2 thors which you will put into your build around the time a full scale 2base blink attack would hit you. this makes you immune to the blink without being behind in army, but at the trade off of having zero offensive options against the protoss
so the protoss and terran can both defensive tech/expand as much as they please to 200food
this is bad considering terran has no lategame counter to protoss.... which may be true sadly. but i hope flash will find a way... soon hopefully
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TLADT24920 Posts
wait, patience won Innovation? Who's updating the OP?
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Patience: Is He The New Sora? Or The New Sniper?
News at 11
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On December 01 2013 04:22 rinnnedor321 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 04:19 Vindicare605 wrote:On December 01 2013 03:59 rinnnedor321 wrote:
i hope flash will soon invent a build that gets a thor in a decent amount of time to shut down all the blink builds
thors are 300-200 and have such high dps they decimate stalkers and zealots and sentrys.
thors lose to immortals but have 7range. if you add 2 thors into your normal bio tactics, the immortals wont be shooting the thors and the thors high dps will help vaporize all the gateway units since the thors would likely target the immortals near the end of the engagement
1-2 thors nicely timed to supplement a bio build to make them immune to blink
the PROBLEM with blink is actually the forcefields. if there was no forcefields terrans could just go bio normally vs blink and be fine. thors are mostly to solve the forcefield problem
blink costs like 150/150 for the upgrade 150/100 for the twilight. thors 150/100 for the armory then 300/200 per thor. imo the cost could probably be worth it considering if you go a standard bio build into a few thors you dont need to spend 600 minerals on bunkers that you otherwise would need to get if you scout blink
getting a few thors in there imo is the best plan to combat the stupid blink stuff which put innovation behind 1000 minerals just cuz he scouted blink and tried to prepare for it
hope flash discovers the right way to everything soon! Not sure if trolling or just that clueless. i guess the way i see it is... mathematically you can scout blink and put yourself 1000+ minerals behind like innovation did making 4 bunkers and pulling like 5 SCV's for pre emptive repairs or spend 600/400 on 2 thors which you will put into your build around the time a full scale 2base blink attack would hit you. this makes you immune to the blink without being behind in army, but at the trade off of having zero offensive options against the protoss so the protoss and terran can both defensive tech/expand as much as they please to 200food this is bad considering terran has no lategame counter to protoss.... which may be true sadly. but i hope flash will find a way... soon hopefully
What is this "2 thors makes you immune to blink" nonsense that you haven't even bothered to prove?
I mean, thors are slow and going around them is easy. They do everything worse than Immortals and cost far more.
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Did nathanias just call zerglings a "classic startale life unit"?
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TLADT24920 Posts
hmm Patience taking out sOs, MMA, Polt and Innovation is unexpected. Dark horse?
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On December 01 2013 04:23 BigFan wrote:
hmm Patience taking out sOs, MMA, Polt and Innovation is unexpected. Dark horse?
more like the unicorn
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On December 01 2013 04:22 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 04:22 rinnnedor321 wrote:On December 01 2013 04:19 Vindicare605 wrote:On December 01 2013 03:59 rinnnedor321 wrote:
i hope flash will soon invent a build that gets a thor in a decent amount of time to shut down all the blink builds
thors are 300-200 and have such high dps they decimate stalkers and zealots and sentrys.
thors lose to immortals but have 7range. if you add 2 thors into your normal bio tactics, the immortals wont be shooting the thors and the thors high dps will help vaporize all the gateway units since the thors would likely target the immortals near the end of the engagement
1-2 thors nicely timed to supplement a bio build to make them immune to blink
the PROBLEM with blink is actually the forcefields. if there was no forcefields terrans could just go bio normally vs blink and be fine. thors are mostly to solve the forcefield problem
blink costs like 150/150 for the upgrade 150/100 for the twilight. thors 150/100 for the armory then 300/200 per thor. imo the cost could probably be worth it considering if you go a standard bio build into a few thors you dont need to spend 600 minerals on bunkers that you otherwise would need to get if you scout blink
getting a few thors in there imo is the best plan to combat the stupid blink stuff which put innovation behind 1000 minerals just cuz he scouted blink and tried to prepare for it
hope flash discovers the right way to everything soon! Not sure if trolling or just that clueless. i guess the way i see it is... mathematically you can scout blink and put yourself 1000+ minerals behind like innovation did making 4 bunkers and pulling like 5 SCV's for pre emptive repairs or spend 600/400 on 2 thors which you will put into your build around the time a full scale 2base blink attack would hit you. this makes you immune to the blink without being behind in army, but at the trade off of having zero offensive options against the protoss so the protoss and terran can both defensive tech/expand as much as they please to 200food this is bad considering terran has no lategame counter to protoss.... which may be true sadly. but i hope flash will find a way... soon hopefully What is this "2 thors makes you immune to blink" nonsense that you haven't even bothered to prove?
your army would be equal size, but the protoss would be unable to FF your ramp removing the thing that makes blink overpowered vs terran
the problem with blink is the forcefields. if there was no forcefield on your ramp innovation wouldnt even need to make those bunkers
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On December 01 2013 04:23 BigFan wrote:
hmm Patience taking out sOs, MMA, Polt and Innovation is unexpected. Dark horse?
Expected from Azubu fans.
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On December 01 2013 04:24 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 04:23 BigFan wrote:
hmm Patience taking out sOs, MMA, Polt and Innovation is unexpected. Dark horse? Expected from Azubu fans.
nah, I doubt it.
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On December 01 2013 04:22 VisonKai wrote:
Patience: Is He The New Sora? Or The New Sniper?
News at 11
Sniper: Protoss Edition
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