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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44277 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-30 19:25:35
November 30 2013 19:25 GMT
#2301
On December 01 2013 04:24 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 04:23 BigFan wrote:
hmm Patience taking out sOs, MMA, Polt and Innovation is unexpected. Dark horse?


Expected from Azubu fans.

there are azubu fans ? unbelievable .. seriously i do know there are prime and startale fans but azubu fans ?
this is a quote
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
November 30 2013 19:25 GMT
#2302
On December 01 2013 04:24 rinnnedor321 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 04:22 Shikyo wrote:
On December 01 2013 04:22 rinnnedor321 wrote:
On December 01 2013 04:19 Vindicare605 wrote:
On December 01 2013 03:59 rinnnedor321 wrote:
i hope flash will soon invent a build that gets a thor in a decent amount of time to shut down all the blink builds

thors are 300-200 and have such high dps they decimate stalkers and zealots and sentrys.

thors lose to immortals but have 7range. if you add 2 thors into your normal bio tactics, the immortals wont be shooting the thors and the thors high dps will help vaporize all the gateway units since the thors would likely target the immortals near the end of the engagement

1-2 thors nicely timed to supplement a bio build to make them immune to blink

the PROBLEM with blink is actually the forcefields. if there was no forcefields terrans could just go bio normally vs blink and be fine. thors are mostly to solve the forcefield problem

blink costs like 150/150 for the upgrade 150/100 for the twilight. thors 150/100 for the armory then 300/200 per thor. imo the cost could probably be worth it considering if you go a standard bio build into a few thors you dont need to spend 600 minerals on bunkers that you otherwise would need to get if you scout blink

getting a few thors in there imo is the best plan to combat the stupid blink stuff which put innovation behind 1000 minerals just cuz he scouted blink and tried to prepare for it


hope flash discovers the right way to everything soon!


Not sure if trolling or just that clueless.



i guess the way i see it is... mathematically

you can scout blink and put yourself 1000+ minerals behind like innovation did making 4 bunkers and pulling like 5 SCV's for pre emptive repairs

or spend 600/400 on 2 thors which you will put into your build around the time a full scale 2base blink attack would hit you. this makes you immune to the blink without being behind in army, but at the trade off of having zero offensive options against the protoss

so the protoss and terran can both defensive tech/expand as much as they please to 200food

this is bad considering terran has no lategame counter to protoss.... which may be true sadly. but i hope flash will find a way... soon hopefully

What is this "2 thors makes you immune to blink" nonsense that you haven't even bothered to prove?


your army would be equal size, but the protoss would be unable to FF your ramp removing the thing that makes blink overpowered vs terran

the problem with blink is the forcefields. if there was no forcefield on your ramp innovation wouldnt even need to make those bunkers

Why do I feel like it's too high a price to pay to be able to walk through forcefields .-.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
November 30 2013 19:25 GMT
#2303
On December 01 2013 04:24 rinnnedor321 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 04:22 Shikyo wrote:
On December 01 2013 04:22 rinnnedor321 wrote:
On December 01 2013 04:19 Vindicare605 wrote:
On December 01 2013 03:59 rinnnedor321 wrote:
i hope flash will soon invent a build that gets a thor in a decent amount of time to shut down all the blink builds

thors are 300-200 and have such high dps they decimate stalkers and zealots and sentrys.

thors lose to immortals but have 7range. if you add 2 thors into your normal bio tactics, the immortals wont be shooting the thors and the thors high dps will help vaporize all the gateway units since the thors would likely target the immortals near the end of the engagement

1-2 thors nicely timed to supplement a bio build to make them immune to blink

the PROBLEM with blink is actually the forcefields. if there was no forcefields terrans could just go bio normally vs blink and be fine. thors are mostly to solve the forcefield problem

blink costs like 150/150 for the upgrade 150/100 for the twilight. thors 150/100 for the armory then 300/200 per thor. imo the cost could probably be worth it considering if you go a standard bio build into a few thors you dont need to spend 600 minerals on bunkers that you otherwise would need to get if you scout blink

getting a few thors in there imo is the best plan to combat the stupid blink stuff which put innovation behind 1000 minerals just cuz he scouted blink and tried to prepare for it


hope flash discovers the right way to everything soon!


Not sure if trolling or just that clueless.



i guess the way i see it is... mathematically

you can scout blink and put yourself 1000+ minerals behind like innovation did making 4 bunkers and pulling like 5 SCV's for pre emptive repairs

or spend 600/400 on 2 thors which you will put into your build around the time a full scale 2base blink attack would hit you. this makes you immune to the blink without being behind in army, but at the trade off of having zero offensive options against the protoss

so the protoss and terran can both defensive tech/expand as much as they please to 200food

this is bad considering terran has no lategame counter to protoss.... which may be true sadly. but i hope flash will find a way... soon hopefully

What is this "2 thors makes you immune to blink" nonsense that you haven't even bothered to prove?


your army would be equal size, but the protoss would be unable to FF your ramp removing the thing that makes blink overpowered vs terran

the problem with blink is the forcefields. if there was no forcefield on your ramp innovation wouldnt even need to make those bunkers


You are not counting in the time it takes to create two Thors and how far behind you will be by doing so.
The curse is real
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
November 30 2013 19:25 GMT
#2304
Good moves.
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TimENT
Profile Joined November 2012
United States1425 Posts
November 30 2013 19:26 GMT
#2305
The way Patience plays is exactly what's wrong with P atm. Can be infinitely aggressive without any risk of being pressured at home
Barcelona / Arsenal Fan!
RaFox17
Profile Joined May 2013
Finland4581 Posts
November 30 2013 19:26 GMT
#2306
Damn i hate recall and FF combo. Free damage.
Magnifico
Profile Joined March 2013
1958 Posts
November 30 2013 19:26 GMT
#2307
Patience stopped the probe production to do that pressure.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
November 30 2013 19:26 GMT
#2308
On December 01 2013 04:24 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 04:23 BigFan wrote:
hmm Patience taking out sOs, MMA, Polt and Innovation is unexpected. Dark horse?


Expected from Azubu fans.

huh? Azubu fans? who? me? lol.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Snijjer
Profile Joined September 2011
United States989 Posts
November 30 2013 19:26 GMT
#2309
Nice attack. Life wasn't expecting it at all after seeing the 3rd
VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
November 30 2013 19:27 GMT
#2310
"Life has a lot of Zerglings on the map now."

Well, that's GG.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
November 30 2013 19:27 GMT
#2311
On December 01 2013 04:26 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 04:24 stuchiu wrote:
On December 01 2013 04:23 BigFan wrote:
hmm Patience taking out sOs, MMA, Polt and Innovation is unexpected. Dark horse?


Expected from Azubu fans.

huh? Azubu fans? who? me? lol.


They call themselves the Azubu Abuzus.
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
November 30 2013 19:28 GMT
#2312
4 collosus and Life's army will be useless.
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Keeemy
Profile Joined November 2012
Finland7855 Posts
November 30 2013 19:28 GMT
#2313
Look at dat supply count

Forcefields are a bitch though
Hello
Swiipii
Profile Joined January 2012
2195 Posts
November 30 2013 19:28 GMT
#2314
No spire no infestation pit. If Life doesn't do damage he is screwed.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
November 30 2013 19:28 GMT
#2315
Wtf is that blue orb of energy???
Keeemy
Profile Joined November 2012
Finland7855 Posts
November 30 2013 19:29 GMT
#2316
Life is in a good spot when those corruptors pop out
Hello
rinnnedor321
Profile Joined August 2013
53 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-30 19:30:18
November 30 2013 19:29 GMT
#2317
On December 01 2013 04:25 Tobblish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 04:24 rinnnedor321 wrote:
On December 01 2013 04:22 Shikyo wrote:
On December 01 2013 04:22 rinnnedor321 wrote:
On December 01 2013 04:19 Vindicare605 wrote:
On December 01 2013 03:59 rinnnedor321 wrote:
i hope flash will soon invent a build that gets a thor in a decent amount of time to shut down all the blink builds

thors are 300-200 and have such high dps they decimate stalkers and zealots and sentrys.

thors lose to immortals but have 7range. if you add 2 thors into your normal bio tactics, the immortals wont be shooting the thors and the thors high dps will help vaporize all the gateway units since the thors would likely target the immortals near the end of the engagement

1-2 thors nicely timed to supplement a bio build to make them immune to blink

the PROBLEM with blink is actually the forcefields. if there was no forcefields terrans could just go bio normally vs blink and be fine. thors are mostly to solve the forcefield problem

blink costs like 150/150 for the upgrade 150/100 for the twilight. thors 150/100 for the armory then 300/200 per thor. imo the cost could probably be worth it considering if you go a standard bio build into a few thors you dont need to spend 600 minerals on bunkers that you otherwise would need to get if you scout blink

getting a few thors in there imo is the best plan to combat the stupid blink stuff which put innovation behind 1000 minerals just cuz he scouted blink and tried to prepare for it


hope flash discovers the right way to everything soon!


Not sure if trolling or just that clueless.



i guess the way i see it is... mathematically

you can scout blink and put yourself 1000+ minerals behind like innovation did making 4 bunkers and pulling like 5 SCV's for pre emptive repairs

or spend 600/400 on 2 thors which you will put into your build around the time a full scale 2base blink attack would hit you. this makes you immune to the blink without being behind in army, but at the trade off of having zero offensive options against the protoss

so the protoss and terran can both defensive tech/expand as much as they please to 200food

this is bad considering terran has no lategame counter to protoss.... which may be true sadly. but i hope flash will find a way... soon hopefully

What is this "2 thors makes you immune to blink" nonsense that you haven't even bothered to prove?


your army would be equal size, but the protoss would be unable to FF your ramp removing the thing that makes blink overpowered vs terran

the problem with blink is the forcefields. if there was no forcefield on your ramp innovation wouldnt even need to make those bunkers


You are not counting in the time it takes to create two Thors and how far behind you will be by doing so.


2 thors cost 750/500 (including cost of armory)

2 thors are 12 food and combat effective against 12food of gateway units (even 0/0 vs 2/2)

however considering thors in the back deal their DPS without really taking damage until you already lost the fight. thors DPS is extremely high per cost so they are combat effective for their cost

so you are "behind" in mobility, not army. terran needs mobility to be offensive against the protoss

also remember blink costs 300/250

so by going the 2 thor plan, terran is "behind" in mobility, but NOT behind in army. meaning the terran can be defensive / expand to 200food as much as he wants but so can the protoss

so the protoss can tech to whatever he wants because the terran has no offensive options (until 200food)

this is bad considering terran has no lategame counter to protoss... which may be the case
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
November 30 2013 19:29 GMT
#2318
Fairly unimpressive FPOV.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 30 2013 19:29 GMT
#2319
O.o Patience hold? I'm surprised.
liftlift > tsm
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
November 30 2013 19:29 GMT
#2320
How does life make collosus run from lings o_0
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