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On December 01 2013 04:24 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 04:23 BigFan wrote:
hmm Patience taking out sOs, MMA, Polt and Innovation is unexpected. Dark horse? Expected from Azubu fans.
there are azubu fans ? unbelievable .. seriously i do know there are prime and startale fans but azubu fans ?
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On December 01 2013 04:24 rinnnedor321 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 04:22 Shikyo wrote:On December 01 2013 04:22 rinnnedor321 wrote:On December 01 2013 04:19 Vindicare605 wrote:On December 01 2013 03:59 rinnnedor321 wrote:
i hope flash will soon invent a build that gets a thor in a decent amount of time to shut down all the blink builds
thors are 300-200 and have such high dps they decimate stalkers and zealots and sentrys.
thors lose to immortals but have 7range. if you add 2 thors into your normal bio tactics, the immortals wont be shooting the thors and the thors high dps will help vaporize all the gateway units since the thors would likely target the immortals near the end of the engagement
1-2 thors nicely timed to supplement a bio build to make them immune to blink
the PROBLEM with blink is actually the forcefields. if there was no forcefields terrans could just go bio normally vs blink and be fine. thors are mostly to solve the forcefield problem
blink costs like 150/150 for the upgrade 150/100 for the twilight. thors 150/100 for the armory then 300/200 per thor. imo the cost could probably be worth it considering if you go a standard bio build into a few thors you dont need to spend 600 minerals on bunkers that you otherwise would need to get if you scout blink
getting a few thors in there imo is the best plan to combat the stupid blink stuff which put innovation behind 1000 minerals just cuz he scouted blink and tried to prepare for it
hope flash discovers the right way to everything soon! Not sure if trolling or just that clueless. i guess the way i see it is... mathematically you can scout blink and put yourself 1000+ minerals behind like innovation did making 4 bunkers and pulling like 5 SCV's for pre emptive repairs or spend 600/400 on 2 thors which you will put into your build around the time a full scale 2base blink attack would hit you. this makes you immune to the blink without being behind in army, but at the trade off of having zero offensive options against the protoss so the protoss and terran can both defensive tech/expand as much as they please to 200food this is bad considering terran has no lategame counter to protoss.... which may be true sadly. but i hope flash will find a way... soon hopefully What is this "2 thors makes you immune to blink" nonsense that you haven't even bothered to prove? your army would be equal size, but the protoss would be unable to FF your ramp removing the thing that makes blink overpowered vs terran the problem with blink is the forcefields. if there was no forcefield on your ramp innovation wouldnt even need to make those bunkers
Why do I feel like it's too high a price to pay to be able to walk through forcefields .-.
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On December 01 2013 04:24 rinnnedor321 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 04:22 Shikyo wrote:On December 01 2013 04:22 rinnnedor321 wrote:On December 01 2013 04:19 Vindicare605 wrote:On December 01 2013 03:59 rinnnedor321 wrote:
i hope flash will soon invent a build that gets a thor in a decent amount of time to shut down all the blink builds
thors are 300-200 and have such high dps they decimate stalkers and zealots and sentrys.
thors lose to immortals but have 7range. if you add 2 thors into your normal bio tactics, the immortals wont be shooting the thors and the thors high dps will help vaporize all the gateway units since the thors would likely target the immortals near the end of the engagement
1-2 thors nicely timed to supplement a bio build to make them immune to blink
the PROBLEM with blink is actually the forcefields. if there was no forcefields terrans could just go bio normally vs blink and be fine. thors are mostly to solve the forcefield problem
blink costs like 150/150 for the upgrade 150/100 for the twilight. thors 150/100 for the armory then 300/200 per thor. imo the cost could probably be worth it considering if you go a standard bio build into a few thors you dont need to spend 600 minerals on bunkers that you otherwise would need to get if you scout blink
getting a few thors in there imo is the best plan to combat the stupid blink stuff which put innovation behind 1000 minerals just cuz he scouted blink and tried to prepare for it
hope flash discovers the right way to everything soon! Not sure if trolling or just that clueless. i guess the way i see it is... mathematically you can scout blink and put yourself 1000+ minerals behind like innovation did making 4 bunkers and pulling like 5 SCV's for pre emptive repairs or spend 600/400 on 2 thors which you will put into your build around the time a full scale 2base blink attack would hit you. this makes you immune to the blink without being behind in army, but at the trade off of having zero offensive options against the protoss so the protoss and terran can both defensive tech/expand as much as they please to 200food this is bad considering terran has no lategame counter to protoss.... which may be true sadly. but i hope flash will find a way... soon hopefully What is this "2 thors makes you immune to blink" nonsense that you haven't even bothered to prove? your army would be equal size, but the protoss would be unable to FF your ramp removing the thing that makes blink overpowered vs terran the problem with blink is the forcefields. if there was no forcefield on your ramp innovation wouldnt even need to make those bunkers
You are not counting in the time it takes to create two Thors and how far behind you will be by doing so.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
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The way Patience plays is exactly what's wrong with P atm. Can be infinitely aggressive without any risk of being pressured at home
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Damn i hate recall and FF combo. Free damage.
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Patience stopped the probe production to do that pressure.
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TLADT24920 Posts
On December 01 2013 04:24 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 04:23 BigFan wrote:
hmm Patience taking out sOs, MMA, Polt and Innovation is unexpected. Dark horse? Expected from Azubu fans.
huh? Azubu fans? who? me? lol.
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Nice attack. Life wasn't expecting it at all after seeing the 3rd
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"Life has a lot of Zerglings on the map now."
Well, that's GG.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On December 01 2013 04:26 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 04:24 stuchiu wrote:On December 01 2013 04:23 BigFan wrote:
hmm Patience taking out sOs, MMA, Polt and Innovation is unexpected. Dark horse? Expected from Azubu fans. huh? Azubu fans? who? me? lol.
They call themselves the Azubu Abuzus.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
4 collosus and Life's army will be useless.
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Look at dat supply count
Forcefields are a bitch though
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No spire no infestation pit. If Life doesn't do damage he is screwed.
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Wtf is that blue orb of energy???
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Life is in a good spot when those corruptors pop out
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On December 01 2013 04:25 Tobblish wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 04:24 rinnnedor321 wrote:On December 01 2013 04:22 Shikyo wrote:On December 01 2013 04:22 rinnnedor321 wrote:On December 01 2013 04:19 Vindicare605 wrote:On December 01 2013 03:59 rinnnedor321 wrote:
i hope flash will soon invent a build that gets a thor in a decent amount of time to shut down all the blink builds
thors are 300-200 and have such high dps they decimate stalkers and zealots and sentrys.
thors lose to immortals but have 7range. if you add 2 thors into your normal bio tactics, the immortals wont be shooting the thors and the thors high dps will help vaporize all the gateway units since the thors would likely target the immortals near the end of the engagement
1-2 thors nicely timed to supplement a bio build to make them immune to blink
the PROBLEM with blink is actually the forcefields. if there was no forcefields terrans could just go bio normally vs blink and be fine. thors are mostly to solve the forcefield problem
blink costs like 150/150 for the upgrade 150/100 for the twilight. thors 150/100 for the armory then 300/200 per thor. imo the cost could probably be worth it considering if you go a standard bio build into a few thors you dont need to spend 600 minerals on bunkers that you otherwise would need to get if you scout blink
getting a few thors in there imo is the best plan to combat the stupid blink stuff which put innovation behind 1000 minerals just cuz he scouted blink and tried to prepare for it
hope flash discovers the right way to everything soon! Not sure if trolling or just that clueless. i guess the way i see it is... mathematically you can scout blink and put yourself 1000+ minerals behind like innovation did making 4 bunkers and pulling like 5 SCV's for pre emptive repairs or spend 600/400 on 2 thors which you will put into your build around the time a full scale 2base blink attack would hit you. this makes you immune to the blink without being behind in army, but at the trade off of having zero offensive options against the protoss so the protoss and terran can both defensive tech/expand as much as they please to 200food this is bad considering terran has no lategame counter to protoss.... which may be true sadly. but i hope flash will find a way... soon hopefully What is this "2 thors makes you immune to blink" nonsense that you haven't even bothered to prove? your army would be equal size, but the protoss would be unable to FF your ramp removing the thing that makes blink overpowered vs terran the problem with blink is the forcefields. if there was no forcefield on your ramp innovation wouldnt even need to make those bunkers You are not counting in the time it takes to create two Thors and how far behind you will be by doing so.
2 thors cost 750/500 (including cost of armory)
2 thors are 12 food and combat effective against 12food of gateway units (even 0/0 vs 2/2)
however considering thors in the back deal their DPS without really taking damage until you already lost the fight. thors DPS is extremely high per cost so they are combat effective for their cost
so you are "behind" in mobility, not army. terran needs mobility to be offensive against the protoss
also remember blink costs 300/250
so by going the 2 thor plan, terran is "behind" in mobility, but NOT behind in army. meaning the terran can be defensive / expand to 200food as much as he wants but so can the protoss
so the protoss can tech to whatever he wants because the terran has no offensive options (until 200food)
this is bad considering terran has no lategame counter to protoss... which may be the case
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Fairly unimpressive FPOV.
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O.o Patience hold? I'm surprised.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
How does life make collosus run from lings o_0
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