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NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
September 23 2013 09:31 GMT
#1361
On September 23 2013 18:28 pylonsalad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 18:25 mechengineer123 wrote:
On September 23 2013 18:21 pylonsalad wrote:
On September 23 2013 18:15 1nnovation wrote:
On September 23 2013 18:09 pylonsalad wrote:
On September 23 2013 17:57 haffy wrote:
On September 23 2013 17:52 TheDwf wrote:
On September 23 2013 17:50 phrenzy wrote:
I think this is why i dislike the current state of ZvT, you can be ahead in army and eco winning battles left and right and trading evenly and then a mine takes the win. Don't get me wrong, i like the matchup, but if you only require one good engagement to secure a win, opposed to someone who has to play the perfect game without flaws then the scales are always going to be weighted against the zerg. I feel at least.

This is hilarious. Bogus is struggling to defeat a vastly inferior Zerg and you still find a way to complain?


How come you don't actually address his criticism and appeal to authority as if that is a good enough reason to dismiss his points?


Because he has no answer. The matchup IS imbalanced and he likes it that way. Players of all races including many terrans have pointed out how the zerg has such a small margin of error (mismicro one widow mine snipe, lose the game) in tvz but the terran has such a huge margin of error (lose 50 scvs, no problem, parade push ftw). Its only a few entitled terrans who still refuse to see a problem.

curious beat the chinese terran 2:0 and u said nothing? tell me who's self entitled



I didn't see watch that game so I can't tell how that game went down. Was Curious massively behind at one point only to win it from one good engagement?

I can find a lot more examples of terran being behind to come back from one zerg mistake then the opposite situation. It's a general problem.

Once the terran is ahead, he just has to macro an a-move. The zerg still has to play perfect to win even when he is ahead.

How's this guy not banned.. This is TL, not reddit.


Yes, let's shut down all criticism because the game is perfect.

You're whining dude, balance whining.
Moderatorlickypiddy
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
September 23 2013 09:32 GMT
#1362
Argh, Bogus playing lategame. /:
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
September 23 2013 09:37 GMT
#1363
On September 23 2013 18:21 pylonsalad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 18:15 1nnovation wrote:
On September 23 2013 18:09 pylonsalad wrote:
On September 23 2013 17:57 haffy wrote:
On September 23 2013 17:52 TheDwf wrote:
On September 23 2013 17:50 phrenzy wrote:
I think this is why i dislike the current state of ZvT, you can be ahead in army and eco winning battles left and right and trading evenly and then a mine takes the win. Don't get me wrong, i like the matchup, but if you only require one good engagement to secure a win, opposed to someone who has to play the perfect game without flaws then the scales are always going to be weighted against the zerg. I feel at least.

This is hilarious. Bogus is struggling to defeat a vastly inferior Zerg and you still find a way to complain?


How come you don't actually address his criticism and appeal to authority as if that is a good enough reason to dismiss his points?


Because he has no answer. The matchup IS imbalanced and he likes it that way. Players of all races including many terrans have pointed out how the zerg has such a small margin of error (mismicro one widow mine snipe, lose the game) in tvz but the terran has such a huge margin of error (lose 50 scvs, no problem, parade push ftw). Its only a few entitled terrans who still refuse to see a problem.

curious beat the chinese terran 2:0 and u said nothing? tell me who's self entitled




Once the terran is ahead, he just has to macro an a-move. The zerg still has to play perfect to win even when he is ahead.




lol. Nice try.
pylonsalad
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada649 Posts
September 23 2013 09:41 GMT
#1364
On September 23 2013 18:31 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 18:28 pylonsalad wrote:
On September 23 2013 18:25 mechengineer123 wrote:
On September 23 2013 18:21 pylonsalad wrote:
On September 23 2013 18:15 1nnovation wrote:
On September 23 2013 18:09 pylonsalad wrote:
On September 23 2013 17:57 haffy wrote:
On September 23 2013 17:52 TheDwf wrote:
On September 23 2013 17:50 phrenzy wrote:
I think this is why i dislike the current state of ZvT, you can be ahead in army and eco winning battles left and right and trading evenly and then a mine takes the win. Don't get me wrong, i like the matchup, but if you only require one good engagement to secure a win, opposed to someone who has to play the perfect game without flaws then the scales are always going to be weighted against the zerg. I feel at least.

This is hilarious. Bogus is struggling to defeat a vastly inferior Zerg and you still find a way to complain?


How come you don't actually address his criticism and appeal to authority as if that is a good enough reason to dismiss his points?


Because he has no answer. The matchup IS imbalanced and he likes it that way. Players of all races including many terrans have pointed out how the zerg has such a small margin of error (mismicro one widow mine snipe, lose the game) in tvz but the terran has such a huge margin of error (lose 50 scvs, no problem, parade push ftw). Its only a few entitled terrans who still refuse to see a problem.

curious beat the chinese terran 2:0 and u said nothing? tell me who's self entitled



I didn't see watch that game so I can't tell how that game went down. Was Curious massively behind at one point only to win it from one good engagement?

I can find a lot more examples of terran being behind to come back from one zerg mistake then the opposite situation. It's a general problem.

Once the terran is ahead, he just has to macro an a-move. The zerg still has to play perfect to win even when he is ahead.

How's this guy not banned.. This is TL, not reddit.


Yes, let's shut down all criticism because the game is perfect.

You're whining dude, balance whining.


I still watch hoping for good games. When I see something that ruins the potential of good games I gotta say something.
pylonsalad
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada649 Posts
September 23 2013 09:42 GMT
#1365
On September 23 2013 18:37 AxionSteel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 18:21 pylonsalad wrote:
On September 23 2013 18:15 1nnovation wrote:
On September 23 2013 18:09 pylonsalad wrote:
On September 23 2013 17:57 haffy wrote:
On September 23 2013 17:52 TheDwf wrote:
On September 23 2013 17:50 phrenzy wrote:
I think this is why i dislike the current state of ZvT, you can be ahead in army and eco winning battles left and right and trading evenly and then a mine takes the win. Don't get me wrong, i like the matchup, but if you only require one good engagement to secure a win, opposed to someone who has to play the perfect game without flaws then the scales are always going to be weighted against the zerg. I feel at least.

This is hilarious. Bogus is struggling to defeat a vastly inferior Zerg and you still find a way to complain?


How come you don't actually address his criticism and appeal to authority as if that is a good enough reason to dismiss his points?


Because he has no answer. The matchup IS imbalanced and he likes it that way. Players of all races including many terrans have pointed out how the zerg has such a small margin of error (mismicro one widow mine snipe, lose the game) in tvz but the terran has such a huge margin of error (lose 50 scvs, no problem, parade push ftw). Its only a few entitled terrans who still refuse to see a problem.

curious beat the chinese terran 2:0 and u said nothing? tell me who's self entitled




Once the terran is ahead, he just has to macro an a-move. The zerg still has to play perfect to win even when he is ahead.




lol. Nice try.


Nice argument.
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8707 Posts
September 23 2013 09:43 GMT
#1366
pretty sick game by zest, though innovation - as usual - played pretty well too.
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
1nnovation
Profile Joined June 2013
United States26 Posts
September 23 2013 09:44 GMT
#1367
On September 23 2013 18:28 pylonsalad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 18:25 mechengineer123 wrote:
On September 23 2013 18:21 pylonsalad wrote:
On September 23 2013 18:15 1nnovation wrote:
On September 23 2013 18:09 pylonsalad wrote:
On September 23 2013 17:57 haffy wrote:
On September 23 2013 17:52 TheDwf wrote:
On September 23 2013 17:50 phrenzy wrote:
I think this is why i dislike the current state of ZvT, you can be ahead in army and eco winning battles left and right and trading evenly and then a mine takes the win. Don't get me wrong, i like the matchup, but if you only require one good engagement to secure a win, opposed to someone who has to play the perfect game without flaws then the scales are always going to be weighted against the zerg. I feel at least.

This is hilarious. Bogus is struggling to defeat a vastly inferior Zerg and you still find a way to complain?


How come you don't actually address his criticism and appeal to authority as if that is a good enough reason to dismiss his points?


Because he has no answer. The matchup IS imbalanced and he likes it that way. Players of all races including many terrans have pointed out how the zerg has such a small margin of error (mismicro one widow mine snipe, lose the game) in tvz but the terran has such a huge margin of error (lose 50 scvs, no problem, parade push ftw). Its only a few entitled terrans who still refuse to see a problem.

curious beat the chinese terran 2:0 and u said nothing? tell me who's self entitled



I didn't see watch that game so I can't tell how that game went down. Was Curious massively behind at one point only to win it from one good engagement?

I can find a lot more examples of terran being behind to come back from one zerg mistake then the opposite situation. It's a general problem.

Once the terran is ahead, he just has to macro an a-move. The zerg still has to play perfect to win even when he is ahead.

How's this guy not banned.. This is TL, not reddit.


Yes, let's shut down all criticism because the game is perfect.

theres a dedicated place for balance, learn to use tl, OK?
SamirDuran
Profile Joined May 2012
Philippines895 Posts
September 23 2013 09:44 GMT
#1368
zest so good
Don't practice until you can get it right, practice until you can't get it wrong.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
September 23 2013 09:45 GMT
#1369
Bogus with the confirmation test. ;(
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5599 Posts
September 23 2013 09:45 GMT
#1370
f yeah Zest!

Inno will tilt and not qualify now?
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
ottosec
Profile Joined April 2013
505 Posts
September 23 2013 09:45 GMT
#1371
What a game by Zest!
SKT1-PartinG&Rain, MC
1nnovation
Profile Joined June 2013
United States26 Posts
September 23 2013 09:46 GMT
#1372
On September 23 2013 18:25 mechengineer123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 18:21 pylonsalad wrote:
On September 23 2013 18:15 1nnovation wrote:
On September 23 2013 18:09 pylonsalad wrote:
On September 23 2013 17:57 haffy wrote:
On September 23 2013 17:52 TheDwf wrote:
On September 23 2013 17:50 phrenzy wrote:
I think this is why i dislike the current state of ZvT, you can be ahead in army and eco winning battles left and right and trading evenly and then a mine takes the win. Don't get me wrong, i like the matchup, but if you only require one good engagement to secure a win, opposed to someone who has to play the perfect game without flaws then the scales are always going to be weighted against the zerg. I feel at least.

This is hilarious. Bogus is struggling to defeat a vastly inferior Zerg and you still find a way to complain?


How come you don't actually address his criticism and appeal to authority as if that is a good enough reason to dismiss his points?


Because he has no answer. The matchup IS imbalanced and he likes it that way. Players of all races including many terrans have pointed out how the zerg has such a small margin of error (mismicro one widow mine snipe, lose the game) in tvz but the terran has such a huge margin of error (lose 50 scvs, no problem, parade push ftw). Its only a few entitled terrans who still refuse to see a problem.

curious beat the chinese terran 2:0 and u said nothing? tell me who's self entitled



I didn't see watch that game so I can't tell how that game went down. Was Curious massively behind at one point only to win it from one good engagement?

I can find a lot more examples of terran being behind to come back from one zerg mistake then the opposite situation. It's a general problem.

Once the terran is ahead, he just has to macro an a-move. The zerg still has to play perfect to win even when he is ahead.

How's this guy not banned.. This is TL, not reddit.

I have no idea either, he just said terran can A move after gaining some edge! WOW! I mean WOW!
SamirDuran
Profile Joined May 2012
Philippines895 Posts
September 23 2013 09:46 GMT
#1373
On September 23 2013 18:45 Elroi wrote:
f yeah Zest!

Inno will tilt and not qualify now?

I think he will be in the losers bracket
Don't practice until you can get it right, practice until you can't get it wrong.
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
September 23 2013 09:46 GMT
#1374
Downfall dodging skype ! INnoVation T_T
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
September 23 2013 09:46 GMT
#1375
On September 23 2013 18:42 pylonsalad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 18:37 AxionSteel wrote:
On September 23 2013 18:21 pylonsalad wrote:
On September 23 2013 18:15 1nnovation wrote:
On September 23 2013 18:09 pylonsalad wrote:
On September 23 2013 17:57 haffy wrote:
On September 23 2013 17:52 TheDwf wrote:
On September 23 2013 17:50 phrenzy wrote:
I think this is why i dislike the current state of ZvT, you can be ahead in army and eco winning battles left and right and trading evenly and then a mine takes the win. Don't get me wrong, i like the matchup, but if you only require one good engagement to secure a win, opposed to someone who has to play the perfect game without flaws then the scales are always going to be weighted against the zerg. I feel at least.

This is hilarious. Bogus is struggling to defeat a vastly inferior Zerg and you still find a way to complain?


How come you don't actually address his criticism and appeal to authority as if that is a good enough reason to dismiss his points?


Because he has no answer. The matchup IS imbalanced and he likes it that way. Players of all races including many terrans have pointed out how the zerg has such a small margin of error (mismicro one widow mine snipe, lose the game) in tvz but the terran has such a huge margin of error (lose 50 scvs, no problem, parade push ftw). Its only a few entitled terrans who still refuse to see a problem.

curious beat the chinese terran 2:0 and u said nothing? tell me who's self entitled




Once the terran is ahead, he just has to macro an a-move. The zerg still has to play perfect to win even when he is ahead.




lol. Nice try.


Nice argument.

Don't need one, can't remember the last time I've seen a terran beat a zerg player by "macroiing and amoving" but yeh. OKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!
panzercrusher
Profile Joined April 2013
Poland457 Posts
September 23 2013 09:46 GMT
#1376
I hope Zest will qualify Maybe he`s not playing super clean, but it`s fun to watch.
I never asked for this
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8707 Posts
September 23 2013 09:50 GMT
#1377
On September 23 2013 18:46 NarutO wrote:
Downfall dodging skype ! INnoVation T_T


Haha, so you two can plot something evil against the sons of Aiur?



Though I am pretty sure if Innovation had built more turrets at crucial locations to thwart the warpprism when he still was in good shape economically he would have won this for sure - was really impressive how long he held on there even with that massive deficit o_O
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5599 Posts
September 23 2013 09:50 GMT
#1378
On September 23 2013 18:46 panzercrusher wrote:
I hope Zest will qualify Maybe he`s not playing super clean, but it`s fun to watch.

i think that was "super clean" though. and i was very impressed by him in PL.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-23 09:57:30
September 23 2013 09:51 GMT
#1379
On September 23 2013 18:50 Doublemint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 18:46 NarutO wrote:
Downfall dodging skype ! INnoVation T_T


Haha, so you two can plot something evil against the sons of Aiur?



Though I am pretty sure if Innovation had built more turrets at crucial locations to thwart the warpprism when he still was in good shape economically he would have won this for sure - was really impressive how long he held on there even with that massive deficit o_O

Yeah, a bit unfortunate he didn't park a Viking in air space or complete his Turret ring.
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5599 Posts
September 23 2013 10:07 GMT
#1380
roflstomp by zest!
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
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