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On September 23 2013 17:46 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 17:45 Zheryn wrote:
Finally someone who understands that the Protoss can expand much more than the zerg with this swarm host spore style, AND understands that real skytoss is good, not just a shitty ground army with a few void rays. Who's playing on duckville?
San vs PiG
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On September 23 2013 17:46 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 17:45 Zheryn wrote:
Finally someone who understands that the Protoss can expand much more than the zerg with this swarm host spore style, AND understands that real skytoss is good, not just a shitty ground army with a few void rays. Who's playing on duckville?
San vs Pig
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Thanks, Zheryn and ottosec.
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I think this is why i dislike the current state of ZvT, you can be ahead in army and eco winning battles left and right and trading evenly and then a mine takes the win. Don't get me wrong, i like the matchup, but if you only require one good engagement to secure a win, opposed to someone who has to play the perfect game without flaws then the scales are always going to be weighted against the zerg. I feel at least.
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On September 23 2013 17:50 phrenzy wrote:
I think this is why i dislike the current state of ZvT, you can be ahead in army and eco winning battles left and right and trading evenly and then a mine takes the win. Don't get me wrong, i like the matchup, but if you only require one good engagement to secure a win, opposed to someone who has to play the perfect game without flaws then the scales are always going to be weighted against the zerg. I feel at least.
This is hilarious. Bogus is struggling to defeat a vastly inferior Zerg and you still find a way to complain?
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San bringing the textbook-game on how to play against swarm host/spore turtle, it is so rare to see that, and I'm so sick of watching protoss players trying to play a ground-based style and lose to it. This game was beautiful!
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On September 23 2013 17:52 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 17:50 phrenzy wrote:
I think this is why i dislike the current state of ZvT, you can be ahead in army and eco winning battles left and right and trading evenly and then a mine takes the win. Don't get me wrong, i like the matchup, but if you only require one good engagement to secure a win, opposed to someone who has to play the perfect game without flaws then the scales are always going to be weighted against the zerg. I feel at least. This is hilarious. Bogus is struggling to defeat a vastly inferior Zerg and you still find a way to complain?
How come you don't actually address his criticism and appeal to authority as if that is a good enough reason to dismiss his points?
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On September 23 2013 17:57 haffy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 17:52 TheDwf wrote:On September 23 2013 17:50 phrenzy wrote:
I think this is why i dislike the current state of ZvT, you can be ahead in army and eco winning battles left and right and trading evenly and then a mine takes the win. Don't get me wrong, i like the matchup, but if you only require one good engagement to secure a win, opposed to someone who has to play the perfect game without flaws then the scales are always going to be weighted against the zerg. I feel at least. This is hilarious. Bogus is struggling to defeat a vastly inferior Zerg and you still find a way to complain? How come you don't actually address his criticism and appeal to authority as if that is a good enough reason to dismiss his points?
Because he has no answer. The matchup IS imbalanced and he likes it that way. Players of all races including many terrans have pointed out how the zerg has such a small margin of error (mismicro one widow mine snipe, lose the game) in tvz but the terran has such a huge margin of error (lose 50 scvs, no problem, parade push ftw). Its only a few entitled terrans who still refuse to see a problem.
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On September 23 2013 17:57 haffy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 17:52 TheDwf wrote:On September 23 2013 17:50 phrenzy wrote:
I think this is why i dislike the current state of ZvT, you can be ahead in army and eco winning battles left and right and trading evenly and then a mine takes the win. Don't get me wrong, i like the matchup, but if you only require one good engagement to secure a win, opposed to someone who has to play the perfect game without flaws then the scales are always going to be weighted against the zerg. I feel at least. This is hilarious. Bogus is struggling to defeat a vastly inferior Zerg and you still find a way to complain? How come you don't actually address his criticism and appeal to authority as if that is a good enough reason to dismiss his points?
May I?the moment in Innovation's nature. he trailed at least as far behind as the kiwi zerg did after he recklessly tried to surround innovation's minefield, Inattentional blindness is so common among some zergs
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Haha, Bogus with the mind tricks, triple OC dual EB into pulling SCVs anyway.
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On September 23 2013 18:09 pylonsalad wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 17:57 haffy wrote:On September 23 2013 17:52 TheDwf wrote:On September 23 2013 17:50 phrenzy wrote:
I think this is why i dislike the current state of ZvT, you can be ahead in army and eco winning battles left and right and trading evenly and then a mine takes the win. Don't get me wrong, i like the matchup, but if you only require one good engagement to secure a win, opposed to someone who has to play the perfect game without flaws then the scales are always going to be weighted against the zerg. I feel at least. This is hilarious. Bogus is struggling to defeat a vastly inferior Zerg and you still find a way to complain? How come you don't actually address his criticism and appeal to authority as if that is a good enough reason to dismiss his points? Because he has no answer. The matchup IS imbalanced and he likes it that way. Players of all races including many terrans have pointed out how the zerg has such a small margin of error (mismicro one widow mine snipe, lose the game) in tvz but the terran has such a huge margin of error (lose 50 scvs, no problem, parade push ftw). Its only a few entitled terrans who still refuse to see a problem.
curious beat the chinese terran 2:0 and u said nothing? tell me who's self entitled
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On September 23 2013 18:15 1nnovation wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 18:09 pylonsalad wrote:On September 23 2013 17:57 haffy wrote:On September 23 2013 17:52 TheDwf wrote:On September 23 2013 17:50 phrenzy wrote:
I think this is why i dislike the current state of ZvT, you can be ahead in army and eco winning battles left and right and trading evenly and then a mine takes the win. Don't get me wrong, i like the matchup, but if you only require one good engagement to secure a win, opposed to someone who has to play the perfect game without flaws then the scales are always going to be weighted against the zerg. I feel at least. This is hilarious. Bogus is struggling to defeat a vastly inferior Zerg and you still find a way to complain? How come you don't actually address his criticism and appeal to authority as if that is a good enough reason to dismiss his points? Because he has no answer. The matchup IS imbalanced and he likes it that way. Players of all races including many terrans have pointed out how the zerg has such a small margin of error (mismicro one widow mine snipe, lose the game) in tvz but the terran has such a huge margin of error (lose 50 scvs, no problem, parade push ftw). Its only a few entitled terrans who still refuse to see a problem. curious beat the chinese terran 2:0 and u said nothing? tell me who's self entitled
Don't bother, it's hopeless. (;
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On September 23 2013 18:15 1nnovation wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 18:09 pylonsalad wrote:On September 23 2013 17:57 haffy wrote:On September 23 2013 17:52 TheDwf wrote:On September 23 2013 17:50 phrenzy wrote:
I think this is why i dislike the current state of ZvT, you can be ahead in army and eco winning battles left and right and trading evenly and then a mine takes the win. Don't get me wrong, i like the matchup, but if you only require one good engagement to secure a win, opposed to someone who has to play the perfect game without flaws then the scales are always going to be weighted against the zerg. I feel at least. This is hilarious. Bogus is struggling to defeat a vastly inferior Zerg and you still find a way to complain? How come you don't actually address his criticism and appeal to authority as if that is a good enough reason to dismiss his points? Because he has no answer. The matchup IS imbalanced and he likes it that way. Players of all races including many terrans have pointed out how the zerg has such a small margin of error (mismicro one widow mine snipe, lose the game) in tvz but the terran has such a huge margin of error (lose 50 scvs, no problem, parade push ftw). Its only a few entitled terrans who still refuse to see a problem. curious beat the chinese terran 2:0 and u said nothing? tell me who's self entitled
I didn't see watch that game so I can't tell how that game went down. Was Curious massively behind at one point only to win it from one good engagement?
I can find a lot more examples of terran being behind to come back from one zerg mistake then the opposite situation. It's a general problem.
Once the terran is ahead, he just has to macro an a-move. The zerg still has to play perfect to win even when he is ahead.
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On September 23 2013 18:21 pylonsalad wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 18:15 1nnovation wrote:On September 23 2013 18:09 pylonsalad wrote:On September 23 2013 17:57 haffy wrote:On September 23 2013 17:52 TheDwf wrote:On September 23 2013 17:50 phrenzy wrote:
I think this is why i dislike the current state of ZvT, you can be ahead in army and eco winning battles left and right and trading evenly and then a mine takes the win. Don't get me wrong, i like the matchup, but if you only require one good engagement to secure a win, opposed to someone who has to play the perfect game without flaws then the scales are always going to be weighted against the zerg. I feel at least. This is hilarious. Bogus is struggling to defeat a vastly inferior Zerg and you still find a way to complain? How come you don't actually address his criticism and appeal to authority as if that is a good enough reason to dismiss his points? Because he has no answer. The matchup IS imbalanced and he likes it that way. Players of all races including many terrans have pointed out how the zerg has such a small margin of error (mismicro one widow mine snipe, lose the game) in tvz but the terran has such a huge margin of error (lose 50 scvs, no problem, parade push ftw). Its only a few entitled terrans who still refuse to see a problem. curious beat the chinese terran 2:0 and u said nothing? tell me who's self entitled I didn't see watch that game so I can't tell how that game went down. Was Curious massively behind at one point only to win it from one good engagement? I can find a lot more examples of terran being behind to come back from one zerg mistake then the opposite situation. It's a general problem. Once the terran is ahead, he just has to macro an a-move. The zerg still has to play perfect to win even when he is ahead.
How's this guy not banned.. This is TL, not reddit.
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On September 23 2013 18:21 pylonsalad wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 18:15 1nnovation wrote:On September 23 2013 18:09 pylonsalad wrote:On September 23 2013 17:57 haffy wrote:On September 23 2013 17:52 TheDwf wrote:On September 23 2013 17:50 phrenzy wrote:
I think this is why i dislike the current state of ZvT, you can be ahead in army and eco winning battles left and right and trading evenly and then a mine takes the win. Don't get me wrong, i like the matchup, but if you only require one good engagement to secure a win, opposed to someone who has to play the perfect game without flaws then the scales are always going to be weighted against the zerg. I feel at least. This is hilarious. Bogus is struggling to defeat a vastly inferior Zerg and you still find a way to complain? How come you don't actually address his criticism and appeal to authority as if that is a good enough reason to dismiss his points? Because he has no answer. The matchup IS imbalanced and he likes it that way. Players of all races including many terrans have pointed out how the zerg has such a small margin of error (mismicro one widow mine snipe, lose the game) in tvz but the terran has such a huge margin of error (lose 50 scvs, no problem, parade push ftw). Its only a few entitled terrans who still refuse to see a problem. curious beat the chinese terran 2:0 and u said nothing? tell me who's self entitled I didn't see watch that game so I can't tell how that game went down. Was Curious massively behind at one point only to win it from one good engagement? I can find a lot more examples of terran being behind to come back from one zerg mistake then the opposite situation. It's a general problem. Once the terran is ahead, he just has to macro an a-move. The zerg still has to play perfect to win even when he is ahead.
I guess terrans don't think it is a big deal since TvP has been like this forever. You can build a lead with drops and such but letting one HT through and hitting 1-2 storms and the game is over. This is the nature of AoEs in SC2. The come back potential is huge.
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On September 23 2013 18:25 mechengineer123 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 18:21 pylonsalad wrote:On September 23 2013 18:15 1nnovation wrote:On September 23 2013 18:09 pylonsalad wrote:On September 23 2013 17:57 haffy wrote:On September 23 2013 17:52 TheDwf wrote:On September 23 2013 17:50 phrenzy wrote:
I think this is why i dislike the current state of ZvT, you can be ahead in army and eco winning battles left and right and trading evenly and then a mine takes the win. Don't get me wrong, i like the matchup, but if you only require one good engagement to secure a win, opposed to someone who has to play the perfect game without flaws then the scales are always going to be weighted against the zerg. I feel at least. This is hilarious. Bogus is struggling to defeat a vastly inferior Zerg and you still find a way to complain? How come you don't actually address his criticism and appeal to authority as if that is a good enough reason to dismiss his points? Because he has no answer. The matchup IS imbalanced and he likes it that way. Players of all races including many terrans have pointed out how the zerg has such a small margin of error (mismicro one widow mine snipe, lose the game) in tvz but the terran has such a huge margin of error (lose 50 scvs, no problem, parade push ftw). Its only a few entitled terrans who still refuse to see a problem. curious beat the chinese terran 2:0 and u said nothing? tell me who's self entitled I didn't see watch that game so I can't tell how that game went down. Was Curious massively behind at one point only to win it from one good engagement? I can find a lot more examples of terran being behind to come back from one zerg mistake then the opposite situation. It's a general problem. Once the terran is ahead, he just has to macro an a-move. The zerg still has to play perfect to win even when he is ahead. How's this guy not banned.. This is TL, not reddit.
Yes, let's shut down all criticism because the game is perfect.
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On September 23 2013 18:27 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 18:21 pylonsalad wrote:On September 23 2013 18:15 1nnovation wrote:On September 23 2013 18:09 pylonsalad wrote:On September 23 2013 17:57 haffy wrote:On September 23 2013 17:52 TheDwf wrote:On September 23 2013 17:50 phrenzy wrote:
I think this is why i dislike the current state of ZvT, you can be ahead in army and eco winning battles left and right and trading evenly and then a mine takes the win. Don't get me wrong, i like the matchup, but if you only require one good engagement to secure a win, opposed to someone who has to play the perfect game without flaws then the scales are always going to be weighted against the zerg. I feel at least. This is hilarious. Bogus is struggling to defeat a vastly inferior Zerg and you still find a way to complain? How come you don't actually address his criticism and appeal to authority as if that is a good enough reason to dismiss his points? Because he has no answer. The matchup IS imbalanced and he likes it that way. Players of all races including many terrans have pointed out how the zerg has such a small margin of error (mismicro one widow mine snipe, lose the game) in tvz but the terran has such a huge margin of error (lose 50 scvs, no problem, parade push ftw). Its only a few entitled terrans who still refuse to see a problem. curious beat the chinese terran 2:0 and u said nothing? tell me who's self entitled I didn't see watch that game so I can't tell how that game went down. Was Curious massively behind at one point only to win it from one good engagement? I can find a lot more examples of terran being behind to come back from one zerg mistake then the opposite situation. It's a general problem. Once the terran is ahead, he just has to macro an a-move. The zerg still has to play perfect to win even when he is ahead. I guess terrans don't think it is a big deal since TvP has been like this forever. You can build a lead with drops and such but letting one HT through and hitting 1-2 storms and the game is over. This is the nature of AoEs in SC2. The come back potential is huge.
We can address both problems instead of pretending they don't exist. They don't cancel each other out.
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On September 23 2013 18:28 pylonsalad wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 18:25 mechengineer123 wrote:On September 23 2013 18:21 pylonsalad wrote:On September 23 2013 18:15 1nnovation wrote:On September 23 2013 18:09 pylonsalad wrote:On September 23 2013 17:57 haffy wrote:On September 23 2013 17:52 TheDwf wrote:On September 23 2013 17:50 phrenzy wrote:
I think this is why i dislike the current state of ZvT, you can be ahead in army and eco winning battles left and right and trading evenly and then a mine takes the win. Don't get me wrong, i like the matchup, but if you only require one good engagement to secure a win, opposed to someone who has to play the perfect game without flaws then the scales are always going to be weighted against the zerg. I feel at least. This is hilarious. Bogus is struggling to defeat a vastly inferior Zerg and you still find a way to complain? How come you don't actually address his criticism and appeal to authority as if that is a good enough reason to dismiss his points? Because he has no answer. The matchup IS imbalanced and he likes it that way. Players of all races including many terrans have pointed out how the zerg has such a small margin of error (mismicro one widow mine snipe, lose the game) in tvz but the terran has such a huge margin of error (lose 50 scvs, no problem, parade push ftw). Its only a few entitled terrans who still refuse to see a problem. curious beat the chinese terran 2:0 and u said nothing? tell me who's self entitled I didn't see watch that game so I can't tell how that game went down. Was Curious massively behind at one point only to win it from one good engagement? I can find a lot more examples of terran being behind to come back from one zerg mistake then the opposite situation. It's a general problem. Once the terran is ahead, he just has to macro an a-move. The zerg still has to play perfect to win even when he is ahead. How's this guy not banned.. This is TL, not reddit. Yes, let's shut down all criticism because the game is perfect.
Then spur your criticism somewhere productive and dont annoy the shit out of people who want to enjoy some games
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On September 23 2013 18:21 pylonsalad wrote:
Once the terran is ahead, he just has to macro an a-move. The zerg still has to play perfect to win even when he is ahead.
2/10, I'm sure you can do better.
Pity Bogus tried to claim back his natural too early in the second game, he had it.
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