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ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
August 24 2013 16:04 GMT
#4241
On August 25 2013 01:01 mythandier wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 00:59 Misca wrote:
Rain his play is so boring, the only thing that makes it fun to watch him are his awesome storms. That's about it sadly

"awesome storms"...never gets old hearing that phrase...right up there with "amazing fungals"

Spoken like somebody who has never played a real Templar vs Ghost fight :D.
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
August 24 2013 16:04 GMT
#4242
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
August 24 2013 16:04 GMT
#4243
On August 25 2013 01:03 Undead1993 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 01:02 IntoTheheart wrote:
Hm... if TaeJa wins this, what'll happen to Scarlett?

Her ZvT is amazing, would we see her demolish him?

no. taeja wins this, if he goes through here

I was talking about the next round, since I'm banking that Scarlett's ZvT will be enough to make quick work out of her opponent.
kiss kiss fall in love
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
August 24 2013 16:04 GMT
#4244
On August 25 2013 01:02 IntoTheheart wrote:
Hm... if TaeJa wins this, what'll happen to Scarlett?

Her ZvT is amazing, would we see her demolish him?

You're assuming she gets passed Bomber.

She won't.
Long live the King of Wings
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
August 24 2013 16:05 GMT
#4245
On August 25 2013 01:01 shadymmj wrote:
i swear, sc2 is so dumb. champions come and go so fast, it's actually saying something that bogus held the top spot for the longest period of time.

anyway, all hopes on jaedong now. make me proud!


It's not dumb. It's not figured enough by somebody in a consistent manner yet.
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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
August 24 2013 16:05 GMT
#4246
On August 25 2013 01:01 NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 00:59 GhostOwl wrote:
Terran chose bad engagement and about to lose? Don't worry, just load up the medivac and turbo outta that fight

Protoss HT gets emp + sniped? Dead. I really dont see why ghosts snipe range is greater than HT's


TaeJa was ahead from the start, very ahead. The 3rd base of Rain was even more delayed than its usually so what do you expect. It would need a huge blunder to blow that lead. Rain usually puts himself behind in macro games to have safety early and midgame because he knows Protoss is strong in lategame and he is especially with his templars. But that also does mean that any advantage early/midgame and delay to his 3rd thats late to begin with hurts him.

Also if you play greedy you can have a lot more than him. On the other hand, what you say just shows you don't know stuff about TvP

Indeed: income graph, army value graph. Blue = TaeJa, red = Rain.

Rain's account is a 40-4 Gold by the way. He left two games, lost a Cannon rush and apparently failed a proxy 10/10 vs Zerg.
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-24 16:07:34
August 24 2013 16:05 GMT
#4247
On August 25 2013 01:03 Ragnarork wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 00:59 GhostOwl wrote:
Terran chose bad engagement and about to lose? Don't worry, just load up the medivac and turbo outta that fight

Protoss HT gets emp + sniped? Dead. I really dont see why ghosts snipe range is greater than HT's


Dem toss tears

Seriously, TvP is still Bioball + Ghosts + Vikings vs Colossi + HT + some gate units since forever, and it's not imbalanced in any way.


I agree. But it is really boring to watch. The matchup really hasn't changed from WOL, except that early aggression is riskier for both sides.

On August 25 2013 01:05 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 01:01 NarutO wrote:
On August 25 2013 00:59 GhostOwl wrote:
Terran chose bad engagement and about to lose? Don't worry, just load up the medivac and turbo outta that fight

Protoss HT gets emp + sniped? Dead. I really dont see why ghosts snipe range is greater than HT's


TaeJa was ahead from the start, very ahead. The 3rd base of Rain was even more delayed than its usually so what do you expect. It would need a huge blunder to blow that lead. Rain usually puts himself behind in macro games to have safety early and midgame because he knows Protoss is strong in lategame and he is especially with his templars. But that also does mean that any advantage early/midgame and delay to his 3rd thats late to begin with hurts him.

Also if you play greedy you can have a lot more than him. On the other hand, what you say just shows you don't know stuff about TvP

Indeed: income graph, army value graph. Blue = TaeJa, red = Rain.

Rain's account is a 40-4 Gold by the way. He left two games, lost a Cannon rush and apparently failed a proxy 10/10 vs Zerg.


You can't look at income or army graphs to show who is ahead in a non-mirror.
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
August 24 2013 16:05 GMT
#4248
On August 25 2013 01:03 NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 01:02 samurai80 wrote:
On August 25 2013 01:01 NarutO wrote:
On August 25 2013 00:59 GhostOwl wrote:
Terran chose bad engagement and about to lose? Don't worry, just load up the medivac and turbo outta that fight

Protoss HT gets emp + sniped? Dead. I really dont see why ghosts snipe range is greater than HT's


TaeJa was ahead from the start, very ahead. The 3rd base of Rain was even more delayed than its usually so what do you expect. It would need a huge blunder to blow that lead. Rain usually puts himself behind in macro games to have safety early and midgame because he knows Protoss is strong in lategame and he is especially with his templars. But that also does mean that any advantage early/midgame and delay to his 3rd thats late to begin with hurts him.

Also if you play greedy you can have a lot more than him. On the other hand, what you say just shows you don't know stuff about TvP

He was quite ahead, but Rain was not that far and was closing it up. Now it doesn't change anything to his point anyway.


Can play that game as well. Having huge lead over Protoss, still forced to retreat from the engagement while Protoss would have stomped. QQ much? As said, he is wrong.

His point is that terran CAN do that. If protoss is in the same spot it's pretty hard to retreat like this.
Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8095 Posts
August 24 2013 16:05 GMT
#4249
On August 25 2013 01:04 LimitSEA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 01:02 IntoTheheart wrote:
Hm... if TaeJa wins this, what'll happen to Scarlett?

Her ZvT is amazing, would we see her demolish him?

You're assuming she gets passed Bomber.

She won't.

Scarlett wins by default.
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
August 24 2013 16:05 GMT
#4250
On August 25 2013 01:04 LimitSEA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 01:02 IntoTheheart wrote:
Hm... if TaeJa wins this, what'll happen to Scarlett?

Her ZvT is amazing, would we see her demolish him?

You're assuming she gets passed Bomber.

She won't.

We'll see. His TvZ's not as good has hers is. And it's Bomber's law.
kiss kiss fall in love
shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
August 24 2013 16:06 GMT
#4251
i meant hots, of course, it's quite redundant talking about wol now when we know the game was left broken for over a year :/
There is no such thing is "e-sports". There is Brood War, and then there is crap for nerds.
Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
August 24 2013 16:06 GMT
#4252
On August 25 2013 01:03 NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 01:02 samurai80 wrote:
On August 25 2013 01:01 NarutO wrote:
On August 25 2013 00:59 GhostOwl wrote:
Terran chose bad engagement and about to lose? Don't worry, just load up the medivac and turbo outta that fight

Protoss HT gets emp + sniped? Dead. I really dont see why ghosts snipe range is greater than HT's


TaeJa was ahead from the start, very ahead. The 3rd base of Rain was even more delayed than its usually so what do you expect. It would need a huge blunder to blow that lead. Rain usually puts himself behind in macro games to have safety early and midgame because he knows Protoss is strong in lategame and he is especially with his templars. But that also does mean that any advantage early/midgame and delay to his 3rd thats late to begin with hurts him.

Also if you play greedy you can have a lot more than him. On the other hand, what you say just shows you don't know stuff about TvP

He was quite ahead, but Rain was not that far and was closing it up. Now it doesn't change anything to his point anyway.


Can play that game as well. Having huge lead over Protoss, still forced to retreat from the engagement while Protoss would have stomped. QQ much? As said, he is wrong.

it's also no secret that neither zealots nor colossi can't shoot up. build next to no AA and wonder why the enemy can elevator away? protoss logic whine.
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Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
August 24 2013 16:06 GMT
#4253
On August 25 2013 01:04 IntoTheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 01:03 Undead1993 wrote:
On August 25 2013 01:02 IntoTheheart wrote:
Hm... if TaeJa wins this, what'll happen to Scarlett?

Her ZvT is amazing, would we see her demolish him?

no. taeja wins this, if he goes through here

I was talking about the next round, since I'm banking that Scarlett's ZvT will be enough to make quick work out of her opponent.

with wins "THIS" i mean he wins the tournament if he can beat rain, therefore he also wins against scarlett
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-24 16:06:49
August 24 2013 16:06 GMT
#4254
On August 25 2013 01:05 samurai80 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 01:03 NarutO wrote:
On August 25 2013 01:02 samurai80 wrote:
On August 25 2013 01:01 NarutO wrote:
On August 25 2013 00:59 GhostOwl wrote:
Terran chose bad engagement and about to lose? Don't worry, just load up the medivac and turbo outta that fight

Protoss HT gets emp + sniped? Dead. I really dont see why ghosts snipe range is greater than HT's


TaeJa was ahead from the start, very ahead. The 3rd base of Rain was even more delayed than its usually so what do you expect. It would need a huge blunder to blow that lead. Rain usually puts himself behind in macro games to have safety early and midgame because he knows Protoss is strong in lategame and he is especially with his templars. But that also does mean that any advantage early/midgame and delay to his 3rd thats late to begin with hurts him.

Also if you play greedy you can have a lot more than him. On the other hand, what you say just shows you don't know stuff about TvP

He was quite ahead, but Rain was not that far and was closing it up. Now it doesn't change anything to his point anyway.


Can play that game as well. Having huge lead over Protoss, still forced to retreat from the engagement while Protoss would have stomped. QQ much? As said, he is wrong.

His point is that terran CAN do that. If protoss is in the same spot it's pretty hard to retreat like this.


Recall-_-? Next to no anti-air, no blink. As said, he was way behind that allows Terran to "retreat easily"
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
August 24 2013 16:06 GMT
#4255
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lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 24 2013 16:06 GMT
#4256
On August 25 2013 01:05 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 01:01 NarutO wrote:
On August 25 2013 00:59 GhostOwl wrote:
Terran chose bad engagement and about to lose? Don't worry, just load up the medivac and turbo outta that fight

Protoss HT gets emp + sniped? Dead. I really dont see why ghosts snipe range is greater than HT's


TaeJa was ahead from the start, very ahead. The 3rd base of Rain was even more delayed than its usually so what do you expect. It would need a huge blunder to blow that lead. Rain usually puts himself behind in macro games to have safety early and midgame because he knows Protoss is strong in lategame and he is especially with his templars. But that also does mean that any advantage early/midgame and delay to his 3rd thats late to begin with hurts him.

Also if you play greedy you can have a lot more than him. On the other hand, what you say just shows you don't know stuff about TvP

Indeed: income graph, army value graph. Blue = TaeJa, red = Rain.

Rain's account is a 40-4 Gold by the way. He left two games, lost a Cannon rush and apparently failed a proxy 10/10 vs Zerg.

I wonder why their accounts get placed in gold. To my knowledge winning all placements places you in platinum, not gold. Maybe they leave games in placements or smth?
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
unigolyn
Profile Joined August 2013
Estonia1272 Posts
August 24 2013 16:06 GMT
#4257
On August 25 2013 01:03 Ragnarork wrote:

Seriously, TvP is still Bioball + Ghosts + Vikings vs Colossi + HT + some gate units since forever


Except for that mass tempest thing earlier. But I guess he was so far ahead he could have gone mass phoenix and lifted individual marines.
Show me what passes for fury amongst your misbegotten kind.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 24 2013 16:06 GMT
#4258
On August 25 2013 01:04 Schelim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 01:01 shadymmj wrote:
i swear, sc2 is so dumb. champions come and go so fast, it's actually saying something that bogus held the top spot for the longest period of time.

anyway, all hopes on jaedong now. make me proud!

Innovation had the top spot for the longest period of time? more like one of the shortest times of a player everyone thought was gonna win everything. when did you start following sc2? 6 months ago?

the names Mvp, Nestea, MC ring a bell?

Innovations period of dominance involved looking invincible for about a month, during which he choked incredibly vs soulkey and almost again vs Mvp. He has nothing on the names you listed above or rain or drg.
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
August 24 2013 16:06 GMT
#4259
On August 25 2013 01:05 IntoTheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 01:04 LimitSEA wrote:
On August 25 2013 01:02 IntoTheheart wrote:
Hm... if TaeJa wins this, what'll happen to Scarlett?

Her ZvT is amazing, would we see her demolish him?

You're assuming she gets passed Bomber.

She won't.

We'll see. His TvZ's not as good has hers is. And it's Bomber's law.

He already disappointed in WCS KR. Surely he won't disappoint here. Surely this is his tournament.
Long live the King of Wings
Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
August 24 2013 16:07 GMT
#4260
On August 25 2013 01:05 samurai80 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 01:03 NarutO wrote:
On August 25 2013 01:02 samurai80 wrote:
On August 25 2013 01:01 NarutO wrote:
On August 25 2013 00:59 GhostOwl wrote:
Terran chose bad engagement and about to lose? Don't worry, just load up the medivac and turbo outta that fight

Protoss HT gets emp + sniped? Dead. I really dont see why ghosts snipe range is greater than HT's


TaeJa was ahead from the start, very ahead. The 3rd base of Rain was even more delayed than its usually so what do you expect. It would need a huge blunder to blow that lead. Rain usually puts himself behind in macro games to have safety early and midgame because he knows Protoss is strong in lategame and he is especially with his templars. But that also does mean that any advantage early/midgame and delay to his 3rd thats late to begin with hurts him.

Also if you play greedy you can have a lot more than him. On the other hand, what you say just shows you don't know stuff about TvP

He was quite ahead, but Rain was not that far and was closing it up. Now it doesn't change anything to his point anyway.


Can play that game as well. Having huge lead over Protoss, still forced to retreat from the engagement while Protoss would have stomped. QQ much? As said, he is wrong.

His point is that terran CAN do that. If protoss is in the same spot it's pretty hard to retreat like this.

are we at the point of "asymmetric race design"-whine now?
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