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Ok, the finals are on now. Stop derailing with complaints about WCS region system! - Begin page 109 |
On August 12 2013 00:54 Tobblish wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 00:54 Waxangel wrote:
Duckdeok is outdoing Sniper, holy fuck And they are on the same lovely team! ^_^
Remember when Monster went to DreamHack and trash-talked against foreigners/ThorZaIN in the pre-game interview?
Luckily for him he lost... =)
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On August 12 2013 00:51 Bowzar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 00:45 BigFan wrote:On August 12 2013 00:42 Bowzar wrote:
Im more sad about how fucking bad foreigners are. Its pathetic. cmon foreigners did pretty great this tourney. Heck, mvp was knocked out by foreigners! Three low/mid-tier Koreans managed to do massive damage. No, they fucking suck and something needs to change.
means foreigners are improving if they are able to compete decently with mid-tier Koreans imo.
On August 12 2013 00:51 Tobblish wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 00:47 BigFan wrote:On August 12 2013 00:46 Tobblish wrote:On August 12 2013 00:45 BigFan wrote:On August 12 2013 00:42 Bowzar wrote:
Im more sad about how fucking bad foreigners are. Its pathetic. cmon foreigners did pretty great this tourney. Heck, mvp was knocked out by foreigners! It's different if you actually watched the games and not just looked up the score sadly =/ wait, is that for me or him? lol. I missed yesterday's game but watched most of RO16. Maybe a bit too much lol. For you, Mvp's vP was really sad to watch and he wasn't really fit for fight.
it's still mvp though and its still foreigners who knocked him out. Maybe its not he best but its still mvp lol
On August 12 2013 00:52 grs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 00:47 marcesr wrote:On August 12 2013 00:44 grs wrote:On August 12 2013 00:43 marcesr wrote:On August 12 2013 00:39 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 12 2013 00:37 marcesr wrote:On August 12 2013 00:34 Lysanias wrote:On August 12 2013 00:29 NarutO wrote:
So many people being upset is fully understandable, on the other hand them blaming Blizzard, Korea or playstyles is not. Duckdeok is an aggressive player and I personally enjoyed the WCS regional finals very much. PvP has become a match up that you can actually watch and thats very tense.
I was cheering for Grubby and obviously I'm a bit sad that neither Naniwa, HasuObs nor Grubby made it to the finals, but thats the life of a progamer. Now we got MC vs duckdeok which should be entertaining as well. Don't understand the hate towards Korea or duckdeok by any means. People that hate now should leave the scene, because they really are not needed. I would fully agree with your post, but i think it's more frustration then hate. Really? "People that hate now should leave the scene". Well then you will go back to BW times in 2 seconds. A super nice and fun community but 2k viewers at max. Not sure if thats what you want. Oh so viewers is all that matters? I guess we better welcome a bunch of raging pre-teens and put up with all their whine and bullshit so we can have 200k viewers like LoL or whatever... -_- I dont know what your role in esport is but I assume that pretty much any professional would agree that viewer numbers are far more important than how "friendly" the community is. My role in epsorts is a viewer and I prefer less viewers and less idiots. Did you follow the BW scene? Because then you should know why more viewers is good for everyone. Please explain to me.
same, please explain. Much rather have less viewers, more close knit community members than more viewers and worst community etc....
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On August 12 2013 00:51 Sufinsil wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 00:51 Bowzar wrote:On August 12 2013 00:45 BigFan wrote:On August 12 2013 00:42 Bowzar wrote:
Im more sad about how fucking bad foreigners are. Its pathetic. cmon foreigners did pretty great this tourney. Heck, mvp was knocked out by foreigners! Three low/mid-tier Koreans managed to do massive damage. No, they fucking suck and something needs to change. Like foreigners stop losing to low/mid-tier Koreans?
People always talk about the lack of infrastructure in the foreign scene but its there, its not just being used properly. Get rid of the dead weight and invest in new talent that is willing to work hard and fill up the fucking team houses for fucks sake.
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On August 12 2013 00:53 XaCez wrote:
How to become the worst human on the planet according to the StarCraft II community:
Successfully defeat any of the following StarCraft II players in a Match:
Grubby, TLO, Snute
I'd tell you to add Stephano to that list, but he's no longer with us.
Looks like I'm going to have to avoid Grubby LR's as much as I avoided Stephano LR's. The fans are just unbearable.
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On August 12 2013 00:51 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 00:49 MrSourGit wrote:On August 12 2013 00:27 Kergy wrote:On August 12 2013 00:24 MrSourGit wrote:
I am not going to watch 2 Koreans fight for my regions championship .... boring.
What a load of shit.
Should have to stick to your region ...... so so stupid. The largest spectator crowds are NA and EU right ? We wanna see our players ..... uhhhhh.
Ladder time. well, tell them to l2p finale has a new fan :D Koreans are better , we all fkin know that , but for once i wanna see a competition won by OUR fking players .... on OUR fucking region .... Oh fuck it , Next European football in 2016 , Why dont we just invite Brazil and Argentina ? Who gives a shit they aint from Europe !!! You think it's fair that Korea has maybe 80-90% of the best players in the world, but they only have ONE WCS tournament with the same prize pool as the other regions? How about that? 
Boo hoo ?
Are they from Europe ? Do they live in Europe ?
Are they from America ? Do they live in America ?
Is it that hard to comprehend ?
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On August 12 2013 00:51 andrewlt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 00:45 Gr33d wrote:On August 12 2013 00:30 awesomoecalypse wrote:
And the whole "people should only play in their native region" argument is stupid. It's not like Premier League only features players native to the UK, or the only basketball players in the NBA are American. No sports league worth a damn excludes worthy players based on nationality, its sort of pathetic that some people want SC2 to be the lone exception. The premier league has players of many different nations, but all TEAMS are english. Its a teamgame afterall. Where are the brazilians,germans or dutch in the english national team? (Btw, a big reason why the english national team is shit is that they don't focus on their own players ^^) Where are the european teams getting easy spots for the WC in the south pacific region? Are there NBA Teams playing in the DBL? No? What a surprise. Take a look at 1v1 sports too. If there is an european tennis championship, there will be no american players. You will be able to see koreans in WCS KR, they will probably dominate the global season finals AND the WCS finals. Why not leave the regional brackets to players from that region. Its kinda a moot point though, because there will never be complete offline events, Blizzard does not care that much to pay for all this. Its just another missed opportunity with SC2. You screwed up your own argument. Wimbledon, the French Open, US Open and Australian Open are not region locked. In fact, a British player won Wimbledon recently for the first time in 70+ years or so.
Murray is only british when he wins when he loses he is Scottish
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On August 12 2013 00:54 marcesr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 00:52 grs wrote:On August 12 2013 00:47 marcesr wrote:On August 12 2013 00:44 grs wrote:On August 12 2013 00:43 marcesr wrote:On August 12 2013 00:39 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 12 2013 00:37 marcesr wrote:On August 12 2013 00:34 Lysanias wrote:On August 12 2013 00:29 NarutO wrote:
So many people being upset is fully understandable, on the other hand them blaming Blizzard, Korea or playstyles is not. Duckdeok is an aggressive player and I personally enjoyed the WCS regional finals very much. PvP has become a match up that you can actually watch and thats very tense.
I was cheering for Grubby and obviously I'm a bit sad that neither Naniwa, HasuObs nor Grubby made it to the finals, but thats the life of a progamer. Now we got MC vs duckdeok which should be entertaining as well. Don't understand the hate towards Korea or duckdeok by any means. People that hate now should leave the scene, because they really are not needed. I would fully agree with your post, but i think it's more frustration then hate. Really? "People that hate now should leave the scene". Well then you will go back to BW times in 2 seconds. A super nice and fun community but 2k viewers at max. Not sure if thats what you want. Oh so viewers is all that matters? I guess we better welcome a bunch of raging pre-teens and put up with all their whine and bullshit so we can have 200k viewers like LoL or whatever... -_- I dont know what your role in esport is but I assume that pretty much any professional would agree that viewer numbers are far more important than how "friendly" the community is. My role in epsorts is a viewer and I prefer less viewers and less idiots. Did you follow the BW scene? Because then you should know why more viewers is good for everyone. Please explain to me. If we didnt have the highly entertaining Korean scene which was supported by a large mainstream audience in Korea we would have had 1 meaningful online tournament a year.
Sorry, if I am slow, but how does that explain how "more viewers is good for everyone"?
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On August 12 2013 00:54 Derez wrote:
If there was a crazy market for EU/US only tournaments they'd be happening anyway. Reality is that everyone claims to want EU/US tournaments but when they actually happen noone watches because its incredibly boring.
EU is not the same as US.
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Mother of god, I wake up late, sit down to breakfast over a nice game of StarCraft and this is thread is shitting itself.
Shut up and enjoy some games of StarCraft guys. :D
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On August 12 2013 00:55 LimitSEA wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 00:53 XaCez wrote:
How to become the worst human on the planet according to the StarCraft II community:
Successfully defeat any of the following StarCraft II players in a Match:
Grubby, TLO, Snute I'd tell you to add Stephano to that list, but he's no longer with us. Looks like I'm going to have to avoid Grubby LR's as much as I avoided Stephano LR's. The fans are just unbearable. It's really sad. No matter how nice the guy is fans are always pretty bad.
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I like the whining with the "koreans have so many players but the same amount of money in their regionals" argument.
They can win the regionals. The can (and probably will even with region lock) win the season finals and same goes for the global finals. Thats 3 tournaments to (with region lock) 1.
On August 12 2013 00:51 andrewlt wrote:
You screwed up your own argument. Wimbledon, the French Open, US Open and Australian Open are not region locked. In fact, a British player won Wimbledon recently for the first time in 70+ years or so.
Wow, the French Open or the US Open are not region locked. Thats quite a shock. Dreamhack is not (and should not) be region locked either.
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jesus christ finale. change your id back for the love of god.
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MC just chillin, probably reading some online web comics.
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On August 12 2013 00:55 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 00:54 marcesr wrote:On August 12 2013 00:52 grs wrote:On August 12 2013 00:47 marcesr wrote:On August 12 2013 00:44 grs wrote:On August 12 2013 00:43 marcesr wrote:On August 12 2013 00:39 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 12 2013 00:37 marcesr wrote:On August 12 2013 00:34 Lysanias wrote:On August 12 2013 00:29 NarutO wrote:
So many people being upset is fully understandable, on the other hand them blaming Blizzard, Korea or playstyles is not. Duckdeok is an aggressive player and I personally enjoyed the WCS regional finals very much. PvP has become a match up that you can actually watch and thats very tense.
I was cheering for Grubby and obviously I'm a bit sad that neither Naniwa, HasuObs nor Grubby made it to the finals, but thats the life of a progamer. Now we got MC vs duckdeok which should be entertaining as well. Don't understand the hate towards Korea or duckdeok by any means. People that hate now should leave the scene, because they really are not needed. I would fully agree with your post, but i think it's more frustration then hate. Really? "People that hate now should leave the scene". Well then you will go back to BW times in 2 seconds. A super nice and fun community but 2k viewers at max. Not sure if thats what you want. Oh so viewers is all that matters? I guess we better welcome a bunch of raging pre-teens and put up with all their whine and bullshit so we can have 200k viewers like LoL or whatever... -_- I dont know what your role in esport is but I assume that pretty much any professional would agree that viewer numbers are far more important than how "friendly" the community is. My role in epsorts is a viewer and I prefer less viewers and less idiots. Did you follow the BW scene? Because then you should know why more viewers is good for everyone. Please explain to me. If we didnt have the highly entertaining Korean scene which was supported by a large mainstream audience in Korea we would have had 1 meaningful online tournament a year. The large mainstream audience in Korea was mostly normal people, just like the normal people that enjoy mainstream sports. It was not full of whiny little children that rage all over the internet constantly and shit on everything.
"Normal" people came in after whiny little nerds made it a big thing.
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On August 12 2013 00:56 Zambrah wrote:
Mother of god, I wake up late, sit down to breakfast over a nice game of StarCraft and this is thread is shitting itself.
Shut up and enjoy some games of StarCraft guys. :D
rofl. way too much to ask..
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On August 12 2013 00:54 c0ldfusion wrote:
now you know how we all feel here in NA lol
nah, the NA Koreans are actually good.
players like MC, MVP or duckdeok who wouldn't even be able to get into Code A on the other hand...
If this finals would be something like sOs vs Rain, everyone would be OK with that, because they are clearly among the best Protoss players in the world.
MC and duckdeok on the other hand are not and their games gonna be boring~
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On August 12 2013 00:55 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 00:54 Tobblish wrote:On August 12 2013 00:54 Waxangel wrote:
Duckdeok is outdoing Sniper, holy fuck And they are on the same lovely team! ^_^ Remember when Monster went to DreamHack and trash-talked against foreigners/ThorZaIN in the pre-game interview? Luckily for him he lost... =)
The shame made him retire.
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women's golf is prolly a better example :o
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On August 12 2013 00:55 MrSourGit wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 00:51 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 12 2013 00:49 MrSourGit wrote:On August 12 2013 00:27 Kergy wrote:On August 12 2013 00:24 MrSourGit wrote:
I am not going to watch 2 Koreans fight for my regions championship .... boring.
What a load of shit.
Should have to stick to your region ...... so so stupid. The largest spectator crowds are NA and EU right ? We wanna see our players ..... uhhhhh.
Ladder time. well, tell them to l2p finale has a new fan :D Koreans are better , we all fkin know that , but for once i wanna see a competition won by OUR fking players .... on OUR fucking region .... Oh fuck it , Next European football in 2016 , Why dont we just invite Brazil and Argentina ? Who gives a shit they aint from Europe !!! You think it's fair that Korea has maybe 80-90% of the best players in the world, but they only have ONE WCS tournament with the same prize pool as the other regions? How about that? Boo hoo ? Are they from Europe ? Do they live in Europe ? Are they from America ? Do they live in America ? Is it that hard to comprehend ?
Are your players good? No? Then maybe they shouldn't win.
Is it that hard to comprehend?
See how easy it is to not give a shit about what the other guy is saying?
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if this nationality angers you guys so much maybe write a letter to Blizzard and tell them to make rules stricter on who can play in which region etc. but then you'll run into problems... what happens to the Australians, South American, African, Chinese, SEA players etc who want to advance. where will they play how would they ever have a chance to qualify?
some of us kinda just want to see the best talent at an event like the Season Finals and Global Finals, if you're good enough you'll go and you deserve it. a bunch of notable Europeans failed pretty hard in the ro16 and ro8... played some shit Starcraft, and it's not like they were just unlucky. it's not like it's all that easy for a bunch of Koreans to come over and swarm the entire region finals... most in WCS EU are on European-based teams and most in WCS AM are on American teams (EG, TL...) or like Polt living and studying in the US. I don't mind not seeing a true USA representative since they're just sadly massively outclassed and it showed in the ro32 and ro16, happy to see Scarlett make it at least... but yeah if you plopped a bunch of US players into Season and Global finals it would be embarrassing, even though you'd like them to be successful.
Sounds like some of you just want a "World Cup of Starcraft" but well this isn't that tournament.
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