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[OSL] Grand Finals WCS Korea Season 2 2013 - Page 62

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regizer239
Profile Joined March 2012
Guam327 Posts
August 10 2013 08:43 GMT
#1221
On August 10 2013 17:42 DustbinBieber wrote:
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On August 10 2013 17:40 EpiK wrote:
On August 10 2013 17:39 DustbinBieber wrote:
On August 10 2013 17:38 stuchiu wrote:
There is a reason every Terran I've seen from Innovation to Supernova to Bomber all pull scvs. I've seen no Terran go to the late game and win against a top Korean toss.


what does that tell you about game design?

oh no, not this again...


barely 30k viewers for the OSL finals, so oh yes, this again.


twitch isn't the only place to watch this
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
August 10 2013 08:43 GMT
#1222
--- Nuked ---
scCassius
Profile Joined March 2011
United States254 Posts
August 10 2013 08:43 GMT
#1223
On August 10 2013 17:39 SaberNodoka wrote:
The numbers are really low, 16k at gom, 11k at ogn.


dude its like 4am.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33699 Posts
August 10 2013 08:43 GMT
#1224
I'm sorry that your personal enjoyment of the event is predicated on how others enjoy it
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
August 10 2013 08:43 GMT
#1225
On August 10 2013 17:43 DJHelium wrote:
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On August 10 2013 17:40 Dodgin wrote:
hold in your tears for a bit longer terran and maru fans, it will soon be over.


Wanna bet? I'm thinking something for our sigs...!?


I'm willing to make this bet
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16125 Posts
August 10 2013 08:43 GMT
#1226
On August 10 2013 17:41 Raambo11 wrote:
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On August 10 2013 17:39 Sabu113 wrote:
On August 10 2013 17:37 Raambo11 wrote:
Blows my mind all Korean Protoss don't play this way instead of going for gimmicky builds, rain basically just sat in his base macroing up a deathball and won. Why anyone thinks Protoss is supposed to be played a different way is beyond me, its almost unbeatable.


That's because Rain is simply better than every toss by a significant amount. His control, multitasking and most importantly positioning make him such a tough nut to crack.


Most Protoss could have done that exact game rain just played, at least the ones in Korea. Most korean protoss easily have the mechanics to play that style. In fact, going for any aggression as protoss can be more taxing mechanically. He literally sat in his base just macroing up, never had to defend against any drops because his build was airtight with the late 3rd base.


Which is why Maru if he wants to win here needs to force Rain into something by taking an earlier third or by hitting him hard early neglecting upgrades.

If he lets Rain tech to both techs freely then Rain can devote all his focus to his army, and he's really good with late game armies.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
August 10 2013 08:43 GMT
#1227
On August 10 2013 17:42 skatblast wrote:
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On August 10 2013 17:39 SaberNodoka wrote:
The numbers are really low, 16k at gom, 11k at ogn.



stop worrying about numbers nobody cares


Nothing else to do during the break, might as well go full chicken little.
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
August 10 2013 08:43 GMT
#1228
On August 10 2013 17:41 Hryul wrote:
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On August 10 2013 17:39 NarutO wrote:
On August 10 2013 17:37 Raambo11 wrote:
Blows my mind all Korean Protoss don't play this way instead of going for gimmicky builds, rain basically just sat in his base macroing up a deathball and won. Why anyone thinks Protoss is supposed to be played a different way is beyond me, its almost unbeatable.


The hard call is on Terrans part. I am on Teamspeak with several Protoss - no one could clearly tell if its a super safe macro build or a timing. Its that hard to make that call, even if you have complete information. I believe Maru should take the risk and go piss greedy, because other than that, he will not win vs a super safe rain.

given the fact that rain even took a 4th i thought it's super safe macro.


Oh you are smart, so after he took his 3rd and then 4th you called its a macrogame? The crucial time is before he takes his third. The difference between an allin timing and safe macro really is just +2 / +3 gates or the nexus. Before he puts down the 3rd nexus, you cannot know. Thats the hard part. Obviously if he puts it down at 13:30 its macro, but how the hell do you know beforehand.

As mentioned, the correct response would be greed / early 3rd and 4th for Terran but he will hit the timing if he spots it.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
mongoose22
Profile Joined July 2012
174 Posts
August 10 2013 08:43 GMT
#1229
Am I the only one who finds it humorous that so many are clamoring for cheese, considering that anyone who cheeses in matches is normally panned with equal fervor?
Raambo11
Profile Joined April 2011
United States828 Posts
August 10 2013 08:43 GMT
#1230
On August 10 2013 17:40 blobrus wrote:
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On August 10 2013 17:37 Raambo11 wrote:
Blows my mind all Korean Protoss don't play this way instead of going for gimmicky builds, rain basically just sat in his base macroing up a deathball and won. Why anyone thinks Protoss is supposed to be played a different way is beyond me, its almost unbeatable.

Some players have different playstyles that they prefer. Not everyone is good at making an airtight defense. sOs wouldn't really be too good if he played like this, he plays to his strength, which is wonky builds and better strategies/decisions. Rain is definitely the best toss right now though.


I can understand people wanting to play different ways, It's just surprising we don't see more protoss at least play this way. IMO it is superior to any aggressive play. Why roll the dice in the early game when their is an advantage for Protoss in the late game? Makes no sense. Obviously some aggressive play works like in sOs's case, I just don't think its as good in general.
TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
August 10 2013 08:43 GMT
#1231
On August 10 2013 17:39 Noonius wrote:
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On August 10 2013 17:38 Corrosive wrote:
late ghosts and bad defense in main is why he lost


you mean, no ghosts, right?




he was afraid of a high coloss allin and went for a 2nd starport. hard to tell if protoss switches to templar after 3 colossi or goes for 5-6 at the point you decide between 2nd starport and ghost academy. but you can't know that.
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
August 10 2013 08:44 GMT
#1232
well, NA is sleeping still and most of EU is waiting for WCS EU, this is just an appetizer
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
jimothyjim
Profile Joined August 2011
Great Britain836 Posts
August 10 2013 08:44 GMT
#1233
On August 10 2013 17:40 EnumaAvalon wrote:
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On August 10 2013 17:39 SaberNodoka wrote:
The numbers are really low, 16k at gom, 11k at ogn.

People are tired from TI3. )


I know I am. Should be plenty of time for sleep between this and day 4 (of the playoffs).
Go Hyvaa, Hyun, Maru, DRG, NaNiwa, MaNa, Genius, Dimaga, Scarlett, Soulkey, First! Elfi is God.
jonich0n
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1982 Posts
August 10 2013 08:44 GMT
#1234
On August 10 2013 17:41 Odoakar wrote:
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On August 10 2013 17:39 SaberNodoka wrote:
The numbers are really low, 16k at gom, 11k at ogn.


Yeah:|. Yesterday I watched Dota stream with 150k people watching.

I tuned in but mostly cuz it's such a big tournament. the little interviewy segments are good in between matches but... I've feel asleep during the day both of the past two days watching Dota... make of that what you will
(>'.')>
Nirel
Profile Joined September 2011
Israel1526 Posts
August 10 2013 08:44 GMT
#1235
If the rest of the games are going to look like this I'm going to call Maru the ultimate villein. He took our Symbol and Innovation, at least he has to show good games.
asdfOu
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2089 Posts
August 10 2013 08:44 GMT
#1236
i don't know what all this whining about maru stealing a good finals and bogus woulda won that game. just go with what you got. if you actually payed any attention that game you woulda realized how sick that was by both parts
rip prime
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
August 10 2013 08:44 GMT
#1237
On August 10 2013 17:43 Qwerty85 wrote:
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On August 10 2013 17:38 bittman wrote:
On August 10 2013 17:37 sparklyresidue wrote:
That was one of the worst games I've seen in a while from an entertainment perspective, one of the best from "don't attack me until I get perfect army, then roll you" perspective.

Too turtley for my taste.


It's my issue with watching starcraft.

Macro into one battle win is boring from an observer point of view. If you don't think it is, it's because you are understanding at a higher level. The average joe doesn't care about things not dying.


Yes but it is not always the case... TvZ with bio+ widow mine against ling bane muta has tons of back and forth engagements when terran tries to kill the 4th.. But yes TvP macro games are incredibly boring to watch, especially if you have somebody like Rain in it.




Indeed, playing too safe in TvZ can backfire quite seriously for both Terran and Zerg. I don't know whether or not this is the case in TvP however.
maru lover forever
SSVnormandy
Profile Joined July 2012
France392 Posts
August 10 2013 08:44 GMT
#1238
this was so boring if the other games are like this just afk the first 15min
Battlecruisers.... Just Battlecruisers...
6NR
Profile Joined March 2012
United States1472 Posts
August 10 2013 08:44 GMT
#1239
I see 4-0
Nomzter
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden2802 Posts
August 10 2013 08:44 GMT
#1240
Proxy battlecruiser please
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