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[OSL] Grand Finals WCS Korea Season 2 2013 - Page 60

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EnumaAvalon
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Philippines3613 Posts
August 10 2013 08:40 GMT
#1181
On August 10 2013 17:39 SaberNodoka wrote:
The numbers are really low, 16k at gom, 11k at ogn.

People are tired from TI3. )
(._.) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l ) (._.) They see me rolling. They hating.
Odoakar
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia1837 Posts
August 10 2013 08:41 GMT
#1182
On August 10 2013 17:39 SaberNodoka wrote:
The numbers are really low, 16k at gom, 11k at ogn.


Yeah:|. Yesterday I watched Dota stream with 150k people watching.
DidYuhim
Profile Joined September 2011
Ukraine1905 Posts
August 10 2013 08:41 GMT
#1183
On August 10 2013 17:40 Sakkreth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 17:39 HotGlueGun wrote:
Innovation would have won that game... Maru robbing us of an epic finals


No way lol, if he played macro similar to what maru played he wouldn't won... I'd even go as far and say that Rain is better player, he's basically Innovation that does defend cheeses.

This is the major flaw in your logic.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
August 10 2013 08:41 GMT
#1184
On August 10 2013 17:37 Lazzi wrote:
Interesting, Rain made a lot of colossus, 5 instead of the usual 3.


Artosis told us that it was in case Maru pulled an SCV train, I think.
maru lover forever
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16124 Posts
August 10 2013 08:41 GMT
#1185
On August 10 2013 17:40 Wintex wrote:
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On August 10 2013 17:39 Vindicare605 wrote:
On August 10 2013 17:39 Wintex wrote:
gogo tvp mech!!!


We won't see it at all.

Let me believe!


No, because on the offchance your desire to see Mech means we'll actually SEE a game of Mech that's going to lead an automatic loss for Maru.

No thanks. I want Maru to beat this guy, and he won't do that if he's meching.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
August 10 2013 08:41 GMT
#1186
On August 10 2013 17:39 NarutO wrote:
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On August 10 2013 17:37 Raambo11 wrote:
Blows my mind all Korean Protoss don't play this way instead of going for gimmicky builds, rain basically just sat in his base macroing up a deathball and won. Why anyone thinks Protoss is supposed to be played a different way is beyond me, its almost unbeatable.


The hard call is on Terrans part. I am on Teamspeak with several Protoss - no one could clearly tell if its a super safe macro build or a timing. Its that hard to make that call, even if you have complete information. I believe Maru should take the risk and go piss greedy, because other than that, he will not win vs a super safe rain.

given the fact that rain even took a 4th i thought it's super safe macro.
Countdown to victory: 1 200!
blobrus
Profile Joined August 2011
4297 Posts
August 10 2013 08:41 GMT
#1187
On August 10 2013 17:39 DustbinBieber wrote:
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On August 10 2013 17:38 stuchiu wrote:
There is a reason every Terran I've seen from Innovation to Supernova to Bomber all pull scvs. I've seen no Terran go to the late game and win against a top Korean toss.


what does that tell you about game design?

It tells me you guys are using Rain completely outplaying Maru as an excuse to whine.
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
August 10 2013 08:41 GMT
#1188
--- Nuked ---
Reasonable
Profile Joined September 2010
Ukraine1432 Posts
August 10 2013 08:41 GMT
#1189
I think Maru hasn't gotten a memo about not hitting 200/200 against protoss. He should strongly consider pulling SCVs at about 160 supply
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16848 Posts
August 10 2013 08:41 GMT
#1190
BAR BAR BAR! :D Man Crayon Pop is so good
The Bomber boy
Raambo11
Profile Joined April 2011
United States828 Posts
August 10 2013 08:41 GMT
#1191
On August 10 2013 17:39 Sabu113 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 17:37 Raambo11 wrote:
Blows my mind all Korean Protoss don't play this way instead of going for gimmicky builds, rain basically just sat in his base macroing up a deathball and won. Why anyone thinks Protoss is supposed to be played a different way is beyond me, its almost unbeatable.


That's because Rain is simply better than every toss by a significant amount. His control, multitasking and most importantly positioning make him such a tough nut to crack.


Most Protoss could have done that exact game rain just played, at least the ones in Korea. Most korean protoss easily have the mechanics to play that style. In fact, going for any aggression as protoss can be more taxing mechanically. He literally sat in his base just macroing up, never had to defend against any drops because his build was airtight with the late 3rd base.
asdfOu
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2089 Posts
August 10 2013 08:41 GMT
#1192
On August 10 2013 17:40 DidYuhim wrote:
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On August 10 2013 17:39 Noonius wrote:
On August 10 2013 17:38 Corrosive wrote:
late ghosts and bad defense in main is why he lost


you mean, no ghosts, right?



Rain read Maru like a book there. There's nothing else to say, really.

his build looked like it was to counter scv pulls and maru made it look like he was doing an scv pull so it was more like maru read rain like a book
rip prime
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
August 10 2013 08:41 GMT
#1193
about 5 minutes to the next game - OGN has the NASL style countdown up in the corner.
Yes, I email sponsors... to thank them. Don't post drunk, kids. My king, what has become of you?
robson1
Profile Joined March 2013
3632 Posts
August 10 2013 08:41 GMT
#1194
On August 10 2013 17:39 SaberNodoka wrote:
The numbers are really low, 16k at gom, 11k at ogn.


OGN is on TV. Also Gom is split between twitch and gom.
Genius is that funny scientist who no one takes seriously until he kills you with a flame throwing trumpet. - stuchiu 2013
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
August 10 2013 08:41 GMT
#1195
this style only looks unbeatable because rain is a god, watch sOs try to do this against innovation and see what happens.
Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
August 10 2013 08:41 GMT
#1196
On August 10 2013 17:39 SaberNodoka wrote:
The numbers are really low, 16k at gom, 11k at ogn.


With EU/NA on this weekend as well I doubt we will see massive numbers + it did start an hour earlier than normal and I'm sure people would have forgotten that.
PerSe
Profile Joined June 2013
United Kingdom550 Posts
August 10 2013 08:42 GMT
#1197
Inno is more vulnerable to cheese but has superior mechanics to Rain. The whole multi-drop while not missing a beat macro, is what you need to beat Rain's PvT
asdfOu
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2089 Posts
August 10 2013 08:42 GMT
#1198
On August 10 2013 17:41 Raambo11 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 17:39 Sabu113 wrote:
On August 10 2013 17:37 Raambo11 wrote:
Blows my mind all Korean Protoss don't play this way instead of going for gimmicky builds, rain basically just sat in his base macroing up a deathball and won. Why anyone thinks Protoss is supposed to be played a different way is beyond me, its almost unbeatable.


That's because Rain is simply better than every toss by a significant amount. His control, multitasking and most importantly positioning make him such a tough nut to crack.


Most Protoss could have done that exact game rain just played, at least the ones in Korea. Most korean protoss easily have the mechanics to play that style. In fact, going for any aggression as protoss can be more taxing mechanically. He literally sat in his base just macroing up, never had to defend against any drops because his build was airtight with the late 3rd base.

^truth
rip prime
BlackCompany
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany8388 Posts
August 10 2013 08:42 GMT
#1199
On August 10 2013 17:39 Raambo11 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 17:38 BlackCompany wrote:
On August 10 2013 17:37 Raambo11 wrote:
Blows my mind all Korean Protoss don't play this way instead of going for gimmicky builds, rain basically just sat in his base macroing up a deathball and won. Why anyone thinks Protoss is supposed to be played a different way is beyond me, its almost unbeatable.


Because this only works if the Terrans plays super safe aswell and not very fast 3 cc. Then you got a problem as Toss


What? This is the opposite of what Rain's build is designed for. Notice how he did not get a 3rd base until 140 supply? He was behind in supply all game because in exchange for economy he was basically defended vs all drop play and aggression.


eh im not sure if we understand each other correctly. This late 3rd base from Rain and not going for a 2 base timing is bad if the T goes fast 3ccs. Maru played safe aswell and got a late 3rd, thats why Rains build was good this game
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
August 10 2013 08:42 GMT
#1200
WCG Korea finals on 13, 15, 17, 18 of August. TOO MUCH STARCRAFT
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