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FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
July 23 2013 12:18 GMT
#1801
On July 23 2013 21:13 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 21:13 Thrillz wrote:
How many mines went off?

How many mutas did they kill?

Did anyone get the idea of the count??


I think it takes 3 Widow Mine hits to kill Mutas with splash damage.


Mutas were still damaged, I only saw two Widow mines go off and the Marines having fun with the rest that were above 80 hp.

And Mutas have 120 hp, so unless 3 Widow mines hit instantly you need 4.
Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
July 23 2013 12:18 GMT
#1802
On July 23 2013 21:15 Daralii wrote:
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On July 23 2013 21:13 DeCoder wrote:
Well that was fun. One widow mine hit decides the outcome of the games 3 and 1. Stupid as hell.

One mine hit doesn't do enough damage to kill over a dozen mutas with splash. That was at least 3 simultaneously.


Yeah, and in game one SK should not have amoved his clump on banelings up a ramp lol. The better player won today.
DidYuhim
Profile Joined September 2011
Ukraine1905 Posts
July 23 2013 12:18 GMT
#1803
On July 23 2013 21:17 nimdil wrote:
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On July 23 2013 21:14 TeeTS wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:12 FeyFey wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:11 Makro wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:10 Yonnua wrote:
OH MY GOD NO ZERGS IN THE SEMIFINALS! I always dreamed that this day would come! :')


you know what it means ? a terran nerf


Nah Terran nerfs gets applied if a Zerg beats up a mass of Terrans and wins GSL or if Thorzain wins a tournament using one unit a bit to much.


widow mine nerf inc! Could totally see that happen after those games. Blizzard likes to react in panic mode, if terran does well over a short period of time.
Unexpected beatdown though. I believed in Soulkey, but Innovation made him look really bad.

That was WoL Blizzard. HotS Blizzard keeps calm and lets INnoVation earn $$ / get WCS Points / win [image loading]s

Incomming the controversy about Innovation bribing Blizzard balance team?
Kommander
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines4950 Posts
July 23 2013 12:18 GMT
#1804
On July 23 2013 21:17 DidYuhim wrote:
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On July 23 2013 21:15 TheDwf wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:14 Kommander wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:13 DeCoder wrote:
Well that was fun. One widow mine hit decides the outcome of the games 3 and 1. Stupid as hell.


No, Innovation and his skill decided the outcome of all of the games. Seriously, stop with that crap.

Bogus has special Mines which auto-burrow in the best positions and automatically target in such a way they maximize damage. I wish I had the same Mines.

I'm not even sure if you're whining that Terran is OP, or if you're whining that Terran is too weak, or you're just whining just because.


Are you a Romanian living in Ukraine? :p
Douillos
Profile Joined May 2010
France3195 Posts
July 23 2013 12:18 GMT
#1805
On July 23 2013 21:17 Lock0n wrote:
Innovation with the never ending push of doom

Dunno why Zergs mass so many mutas anyway, if they had sense they would just keep about 10 and just use them to deny drops, whilst massing banelings,.

Innovation just has better control, knew it was gonna be 3-0 all along.



Mass muta counter attack style is really potent, but with innovation it's just not possible to get 2 seconds to breath.
Look a giraffe! Look a fist!!
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
July 23 2013 12:18 GMT
#1806
On July 23 2013 21:17 DidYuhim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 21:15 TheDwf wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:14 Kommander wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:13 DeCoder wrote:
Well that was fun. One widow mine hit decides the outcome of the games 3 and 1. Stupid as hell.


No, Innovation and his skill decided the outcome of all of the games. Seriously, stop with that crap.

Bogus has special Mines which auto-burrow in the best positions and automatically target in such a way they maximize damage. I wish I had the same Mines.

I'm not even sure if you're whining that Terran is OP, or if you're whining that Terran is too weak, or you're just whining just because.

I'm not whining at all, I'm mocking people who think Mine usage takes "no skill" and whatnot.
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16848 Posts
July 23 2013 12:18 GMT
#1807
INnoVation vs Bomber would be a sick finals.
The Bomber boy
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3764 Posts
July 23 2013 12:18 GMT
#1808
On July 23 2013 21:17 DidYuhim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 21:15 TheDwf wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:14 Kommander wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:13 DeCoder wrote:
Well that was fun. One widow mine hit decides the outcome of the games 3 and 1. Stupid as hell.


No, Innovation and his skill decided the outcome of all of the games. Seriously, stop with that crap.

Bogus has special Mines which auto-burrow in the best positions and automatically target in such a way they maximize damage. I wish I had the same Mines.

I'm not even sure if you're whining that Terran is OP, or if you're whining that Terran is too weak, or you're just whining just because.

He is whining that INnoVation is OP and should be nerfed. They should cut his right thumb or something.
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
July 23 2013 12:18 GMT
#1809
On July 23 2013 21:16 Prevolved wrote:
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On July 23 2013 21:15 dainbramage wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:14 Makro wrote:
good night ? americans aren't the only one to watch lol

It's night-time in Korea...

Haha yes night time in korea and as for myself an american, good morning would be more appropriate since its 7am lol


Korean Starcraft events make for fantastic breakfast entertainment, and make me horribly unproductive in the morning.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
July 23 2013 12:18 GMT
#1810
On July 23 2013 21:15 sneirac wrote:
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On July 23 2013 21:11 TheDwf wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:06 Douillos wrote:
It's a risk reward thing, 3 CC double UP gives you such a powerful midgame, it seems logical that it should be difficult to hold early game.

But it is difficult to hold certain things. And why don't you ask the same thing for the other side? 70 drones 7'30 dual evo gives a powerful midgame, and the only thing Terran can do to prevent that is to commit to 2-bases timings into third, i. e. a fragile build relying on Zerg not scouting and/or misreacting. And still, it's not "greed" from the Zerg since May 2012.



So to summarize this OSL's TvZ

15:6 maps in favor of Terran, with only two macro map wins for Zerg, both coming after a failed 8/8/8.
I think your estimation of fast three base Zergs being able to keep up with fast 3 OCs is outdated.


Before you blame it on balance perhaps the maps need to be looked at, remember that maps can affect the makeup of MUs as much as strategies and stats can.
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
YyapSsap
Profile Joined September 2010
New Zealand1511 Posts
July 23 2013 12:19 GMT
#1811
Would this give blizz an incentive to nerf the widow mines?

Ive always felt that zerg in SC2 needs a solid AOE damage dealing unit that doesn't a) suicide - bling and b) ability - infestor based.
DidYuhim
Profile Joined September 2011
Ukraine1905 Posts
July 23 2013 12:19 GMT
#1812
On July 23 2013 21:18 Kommander wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 21:17 DidYuhim wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:15 TheDwf wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:14 Kommander wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:13 DeCoder wrote:
Well that was fun. One widow mine hit decides the outcome of the games 3 and 1. Stupid as hell.


No, Innovation and his skill decided the outcome of all of the games. Seriously, stop with that crap.

Bogus has special Mines which auto-burrow in the best positions and automatically target in such a way they maximize damage. I wish I had the same Mines.

I'm not even sure if you're whining that Terran is OP, or if you're whining that Terran is too weak, or you're just whining just because.


Are you a Romanian living in Ukraine? :p

I don't get this
Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
July 23 2013 12:19 GMT
#1813
On July 23 2013 21:18 DidYuhim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 21:17 nimdil wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:14 TeeTS wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:12 FeyFey wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:11 Makro wrote:
On July 23 2013 21:10 Yonnua wrote:
OH MY GOD NO ZERGS IN THE SEMIFINALS! I always dreamed that this day would come! :')


you know what it means ? a terran nerf


Nah Terran nerfs gets applied if a Zerg beats up a mass of Terrans and wins GSL or if Thorzain wins a tournament using one unit a bit to much.


widow mine nerf inc! Could totally see that happen after those games. Blizzard likes to react in panic mode, if terran does well over a short period of time.
Unexpected beatdown though. I believed in Soulkey, but Innovation made him look really bad.

That was WoL Blizzard. HotS Blizzard keeps calm and lets INnoVation earn $$ / get WCS Points / win [image loading]s

Incomming the controversy about Innovation bribing Blizzard balance team?


They already took his hellbats. Leave him alone.
JoeCool
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany2520 Posts
July 23 2013 12:19 GMT
#1814
On July 23 2013 21:15 bo1b wrote:
I reallly want to see a jaedong vs innovation tvz series. The whole balance of the game hinges so much on who can micro better in the midgame, which is absolutely what jaedongs good at.


That would be so one-sided...
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
July 23 2013 12:19 GMT
#1815
Unstoppable Bogus vs in-form resurgent title defense legend of the fall Rain is my ideal, most skillful OSL final
robson1
Profile Joined March 2013
3632 Posts
July 23 2013 12:20 GMT
#1816
On July 23 2013 21:19 YyapSsap wrote:
Would this give blizz an incentive to nerf the widow mines?

Ive always felt that zerg in SC2 needs a solid AOE damage dealing unit that doesn't a) suicide - bling and b) ability - infestor based.


I've felt that as well. Especially in 2012 Zerg clearly had not enough Aoe.
Genius is that funny scientist who no one takes seriously until he kills you with a flame throwing trumpet. - stuchiu 2013
Killmouse
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria5700 Posts
July 23 2013 12:20 GMT
#1817
was maru interviewed? i missed it
yo
Valikyr
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
July 23 2013 12:20 GMT
#1818
On July 23 2013 21:18 GTR wrote:
man, he looks so dopey.

Doesn't quite have the swagger of a Flash or Jaedong yet. Hopefully he'll get there with even more success.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
July 23 2013 12:20 GMT
#1819
On July 23 2013 21:19 JoeCool wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 21:15 bo1b wrote:
I reallly want to see a jaedong vs innovation tvz series. The whole balance of the game hinges so much on who can micro better in the midgame, which is absolutely what jaedongs good at.


That would be so one-sided...

I think it would be pretty good tbh, jaedong annihilated innovation pre hellbat nerf.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
July 23 2013 12:20 GMT
#1820
On July 23 2013 21:20 Killmouse wrote:
was maru interviewed? i missed it

yah he was
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