• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 08:31
CEST 14:31
KST 21:31
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins Maestros of the Game 238ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7
Community News
BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion5BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion5Weekly Cups (June 29-July 5): Solar Doubles0MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon445.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes40
StarCraft 2
General
Most successful SC2 players of Q2 2026 Serral wins Maestros of the Game 2 MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon Is the larve respawn broken? 5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start)
Tourneys
GSL CK #5 Race War RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event HomeStory Cup 29 Vespene Cup #1 — $300+ USD, July 10 Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
Mutation # 533 Die Together The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery
Brood War
General
ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool ASL22 General Discussion BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion
Tourneys
[ASL22] Wildcard Qualifier [Megathread] Daily Proleagues IPSL Spring 2026 Top 4! CSLAN 4 is Coming!
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies
Other Games
General Games
Summer Games Done Quick 2026! General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Power Rank Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Tennis[sport] Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard? Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Major Shifts in the Gaming I…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 10499 users

[OSL] RO8 Day 1 WCS Korea Season 2 2013 - Page 71

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 69 70 71 72 73 107 Next
mechengineer123
Profile Joined March 2013
Ukraine711 Posts
July 23 2013 11:37 GMT
#1401
On July 23 2013 20:34 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 20:33 Eufouria wrote:
On July 23 2013 20:31 NarutO wrote:
On July 23 2013 20:29 5unrise wrote:
On July 23 2013 20:28 NarutO wrote:
On July 23 2013 20:26 Zerg.Zilla wrote:
30 minutes in the game still pure marine marauder widow mine...gotta love terran.


Stupidity level infinite

you agreeing or disagreeing with him? just curious


Disagreeing obviously. If Terran had any other viable options in a constant trade-off game, he can elaborate me. Marine/Tank isn't viable against mass muta styles, as you cannot keep up. Also your push timings are delayed and ultralisks can hit you very hard.

Biomine is strong, but judging its strength based on INnoVations play is stupid, he's one of the best, if not the best Terran vs Zerg player right now and there are basically no Terrans that can match him in his mine control and hits what shows perfectly that the unit in itself isn't overpowered, but hard to use with a high reward.

You've gotta transition to those 0/0 BCs or Thors.

There's no reason you can't make those upgrades, late game terran floats a decent amount of gas.

Upgrades, factories, starports cost minerals too Inno has <500 minerals the whole time, if he starts upgrading he has to stop rallying bio across the map, which means an auto loss.
Scribble
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2077 Posts
July 23 2013 11:38 GMT
#1402
Was I seeing things or did Soulkey accidentally hold position his roaches for the first few seconds of that battle?
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16848 Posts
July 23 2013 11:38 GMT
#1403
Innovation fought that well because of the SCVs. TT
The Bomber boy
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16124 Posts
July 23 2013 11:38 GMT
#1404
On July 23 2013 20:35 Ketch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 20:32 Vindicare605 wrote:
On July 23 2013 20:30 Ketch wrote:
On July 23 2013 20:29 5unrise wrote:
On July 23 2013 20:28 NarutO wrote:
On July 23 2013 20:26 Zerg.Zilla wrote:
30 minutes in the game still pure marine marauder widow mine...gotta love terran.


Stupidity level infinite

you agreeing or disagreeing with him? just curious


Well, having transitions necessary would be fun. I like ghosts/ravens and bc's :o



Like I said already, transition into late game Terran units is actually counter-productive. They don't share upgrades and they give up the strengths that bio has which is mobility.

Bio is designed to not be played with higher tech units except in a support role.


Well yeah, I'd like to see Raven/Ghost support being made necessary, but it's not currently I totally agree of course


Ghosts are required vs Protoss, there's nothing on the Raven other than detection that will ever make it a mandatory unit especially vs Zerg since Zerg doesn't use ranged units other than Mutalisks vs Terran.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
July 23 2013 11:38 GMT
#1405
On July 23 2013 20:37 mechengineer123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 20:34 bo1b wrote:
On July 23 2013 20:33 Eufouria wrote:
On July 23 2013 20:31 NarutO wrote:
On July 23 2013 20:29 5unrise wrote:
On July 23 2013 20:28 NarutO wrote:
On July 23 2013 20:26 Zerg.Zilla wrote:
30 minutes in the game still pure marine marauder widow mine...gotta love terran.


Stupidity level infinite

you agreeing or disagreeing with him? just curious


Disagreeing obviously. If Terran had any other viable options in a constant trade-off game, he can elaborate me. Marine/Tank isn't viable against mass muta styles, as you cannot keep up. Also your push timings are delayed and ultralisks can hit you very hard.

Biomine is strong, but judging its strength based on INnoVations play is stupid, he's one of the best, if not the best Terran vs Zerg player right now and there are basically no Terrans that can match him in his mine control and hits what shows perfectly that the unit in itself isn't overpowered, but hard to use with a high reward.

You've gotta transition to those 0/0 BCs or Thors.

There's no reason you can't make those upgrades, late game terran floats a decent amount of gas.

Upgrades, factories, starports cost minerals too Inno has <500 minerals the whole time, if he starts upgrading he has to stop rallying bio across the map, which means an auto loss.

Or it means he has to start dropping mules a bit more.
robson1
Profile Joined March 2013
3632 Posts
July 23 2013 11:38 GMT
#1406
On July 23 2013 20:37 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 20:36 robson1 wrote:
On July 23 2013 20:36 bo1b wrote:
I actually think it's pretty cool innovation can use the same build every tvz. It's nice that there is a standard macro build which isn't too greedy or aggressive, and which makes you win or lose based on mechanics.


3 cc 26 supply into double upgrades. Not to greedy.

No it's not. Deal with it.


It is to greedy, but zergs let them get away with it.
Genius is that funny scientist who no one takes seriously until he kills you with a flame throwing trumpet. - stuchiu 2013
Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8096 Posts
July 23 2013 11:38 GMT
#1407
SK though he was Symbol and built a ton of roaches.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
July 23 2013 11:38 GMT
#1408
Excellent decision to instantly sacrifice all the SCVs at the third to kill the Roach stream before it snowballs out of control.
Yello
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany7411 Posts
July 23 2013 11:38 GMT
#1409
On July 23 2013 20:35 Yello wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 20:33 Yello wrote:
On July 23 2013 20:30 Yello wrote:
[image loading] (Z)Soulkey vs. [image loading] (T)INnoVation
Game 2: Star Station


Soulkey spawns in the top left
Innovation spawns in the bottom right


0:00-4:00min
CC first on the low ground by Innovation
Hatch first for Soulkey

Rax and Gas for Innovation
3rd Hatch before Pool for Soulkey


4:00-8:00min
Factory and Reactor for Innovation, quick third CC on the way
Lair and double Evo-Chamber for Soulkey, Roach Warren as well

Double E-Bay for Innovation
additional Raxes on the way


8:00-10:00min
Hellions starts harassing the third of Soulkey and kill up to 8 Drones with good micro
+1 melee and armor on the way for Soulkey, +1 attack and armor for Innovation

Starport on the way, more Raxes in production
Soulkey builds a lot of Roaches

10:00-12:00min
massive Roach timing with 1-1 upgrades incoming for Soulkey, Innovation scouts it very late
Soulkey attacks the third and Innovation is forced to pull all of his SCVs from the third

Innovation is able to hold off the timing but loses a lot of SCVs in the process
Soulkey tries to pressure some more with his Roaches but gets pushed back by Innovations growing Bio-force
Just ahead of time, know your addiction's not a crime. It's just a smaller part of who you want to become in the end.
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
July 23 2013 11:38 GMT
#1410
--- Nuked ---
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
July 23 2013 11:39 GMT
#1411
On July 23 2013 20:36 robson1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 20:36 bo1b wrote:
I actually think it's pretty cool innovation can use the same build every tvz. It's nice that there is a standard macro build which isn't too greedy or aggressive, and which makes you win or lose based on mechanics.


3 cc 26 supply into double upgrades. Not to greedy.

The only way to make it more greedy would be to take soulkeys birthday presents as well.

It's not greedy lol.
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
July 23 2013 11:39 GMT
#1412
On July 23 2013 20:34 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 20:33 Eufouria wrote:
On July 23 2013 20:31 NarutO wrote:
On July 23 2013 20:29 5unrise wrote:
On July 23 2013 20:28 NarutO wrote:
On July 23 2013 20:26 Zerg.Zilla wrote:
30 minutes in the game still pure marine marauder widow mine...gotta love terran.


Stupidity level infinite

you agreeing or disagreeing with him? just curious


Disagreeing obviously. If Terran had any other viable options in a constant trade-off game, he can elaborate me. Marine/Tank isn't viable against mass muta styles, as you cannot keep up. Also your push timings are delayed and ultralisks can hit you very hard.

Biomine is strong, but judging its strength based on INnoVations play is stupid, he's one of the best, if not the best Terran vs Zerg player right now and there are basically no Terrans that can match him in his mine control and hits what shows perfectly that the unit in itself isn't overpowered, but hard to use with a high reward.

You've gotta transition to those 0/0 BCs or Thors.

There's no reason you can't make those upgrades, late game terran floats a decent amount of gas.

The thing is, those upgrades cost just as much minerals as they do gas, and you don't float minerals when you play this style.
Denar
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France1633 Posts
July 23 2013 11:39 GMT
#1413
Damn Bogus....

too good
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
July 23 2013 11:39 GMT
#1414
3-0
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
TL+ Member
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
July 23 2013 11:39 GMT
#1415
for a second I thought SoulKey is gonna do EffOrt ZvT -_-
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
July 23 2013 11:40 GMT
#1416
--- Nuked ---
robson1
Profile Joined March 2013
3632 Posts
July 23 2013 11:40 GMT
#1417
On July 23 2013 20:39 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 20:36 robson1 wrote:
On July 23 2013 20:36 bo1b wrote:
I actually think it's pretty cool innovation can use the same build every tvz. It's nice that there is a standard macro build which isn't too greedy or aggressive, and which makes you win or lose based on mechanics.


3 cc 26 supply into double upgrades. Not to greedy.

The only way to make it more greedy would be to take soulkeys birthday presents as well.

It's not greedy lol.


What would be greedy?
Genius is that funny scientist who no one takes seriously until he kills you with a flame throwing trumpet. - stuchiu 2013
Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8096 Posts
July 23 2013 11:40 GMT
#1418
robson1
bo1b

Anyone else getting confused about these two quoting each other all the time?
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
July 23 2013 11:40 GMT
#1419
On July 23 2013 20:38 robson1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 20:37 TheDwf wrote:
On July 23 2013 20:36 robson1 wrote:
On July 23 2013 20:36 bo1b wrote:
I actually think it's pretty cool innovation can use the same build every tvz. It's nice that there is a standard macro build which isn't too greedy or aggressive, and which makes you win or lose based on mechanics.


3 cc 26 supply into double upgrades. Not to greedy.

No it's not. Deal with it.


It is to greedy, but zergs let them get away with it.

No it's not since you can defend everything with it. If there was a reliable way to punish it, the build wouldn't be standard...
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
July 23 2013 11:40 GMT
#1420
On July 23 2013 20:38 robson1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 20:37 TheDwf wrote:
On July 23 2013 20:36 robson1 wrote:
On July 23 2013 20:36 bo1b wrote:
I actually think it's pretty cool innovation can use the same build every tvz. It's nice that there is a standard macro build which isn't too greedy or aggressive, and which makes you win or lose based on mechanics.


3 cc 26 supply into double upgrades. Not to greedy.

No it's not. Deal with it.


It is to greedy, but zergs let them get away with it.

How is it too greedy? He doesn't take the 3rd until the 10 minute mark. Zerg gets a 3rd at like 7 minutes.
Prev 1 69 70 71 72 73 107 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Sparkling Tuna Cup
10:00
Weekly #137
herO vs PercivalLIVE!
TBD vs ByuN
CranKy Ducklings292
CranKy Ducklings SOOP26
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Ryung 861
Rex 151
MindelVK 10
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 47956
Calm 7665
Shuttle 962
Jaedong 888
Hyuk 867
Soma 464
EffOrt 413
Mini 355
firebathero 323
BeSt 312
[ Show more ]
Light 247
Stork 223
Last 208
actioN 177
ZerO 139
Soulkey 118
Mong 109
ggaemo 76
hero 74
ToSsGirL 56
Sharp 43
sorry 38
soO 38
scan(afreeca) 32
Aegong 27
Free 25
HiyA 25
Killer 22
ajuk12(nOOB) 15
Sacsri 13
Sexy 12
Hm[arnc] 11
Noble 11
JulyZerg 9
Purpose 8
zelot 8
Dota 2
Gorgc5733
Dendi784
Counter-Strike
x6flipin372
Sick172
kRYSTAL_56
Other Games
FrodaN4253
B2W.Neo469
DeMusliM315
KnowMe311
Pyrionflax278
crisheroes273
Happy273
Livibee137
ZerO(Twitch)13
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 20
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 34
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1663
Upcoming Events
IPSL
3h 29m
Bonyth vs Hawk
OSC
11h 29m
GSL
22h 29m
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 3h
Replay Cast
1d 11h
WardiTV Weekly
1d 22h
The PondCast
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
CrankTV Team League
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
[ Show More ]
CrankTV Team League
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Clem vs Lambo
Scarlett vs Cure
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Classic vs Trap
herO vs SHIN
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 22: Wild Card Qualifier
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
YSL S3
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
Eternal Conflict S2 E2
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W3
ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 1
Escore Tournament S3: W4
ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 2
Escore Tournament S3: W5
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Logitech G Connect 2026
StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.