On July 23 2013 20:33 Eufouria wrote:
You've gotta transition to those 0/0 BCs or Thors.
You've gotta transition to those 0/0 BCs or Thors.
There's no reason you can't make those upgrades, late game terran floats a decent amount of gas.
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
July 23 2013 11:34 GMT
#1381
On July 23 2013 20:33 Eufouria wrote: Show nested quote + On July 23 2013 20:31 NarutO wrote: On July 23 2013 20:29 5unrise wrote: On July 23 2013 20:28 NarutO wrote: On July 23 2013 20:26 Zerg.Zilla wrote: 30 minutes in the game still pure marine marauder widow mine...gotta love terran. Stupidity level infinite you agreeing or disagreeing with him? just curious Disagreeing obviously. If Terran had any other viable options in a constant trade-off game, he can elaborate me. Marine/Tank isn't viable against mass muta styles, as you cannot keep up. Also your push timings are delayed and ultralisks can hit you very hard. Biomine is strong, but judging its strength based on INnoVations play is stupid, he's one of the best, if not the best Terran vs Zerg player right now and there are basically no Terrans that can match him in his mine control and hits what shows perfectly that the unit in itself isn't overpowered, but hard to use with a high reward. You've gotta transition to those 0/0 BCs or Thors. There's no reason you can't make those upgrades, late game terran floats a decent amount of gas. | ||
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robson1
3632 Posts
July 23 2013 11:34 GMT
#1382
On July 23 2013 20:33 DarkLordOlli wrote: Show nested quote + On July 23 2013 20:32 TheDwf wrote: On July 23 2013 20:31 DarkLordOlli wrote: I may be the only one but I find Innovation's playstyle boring. It's just... greed into rally things across the map for the rest of the game with great control. Oh, how unimpressive if it's just that. How about you just give us a break? Back off, I didn't say it wasn't hard as shit to do. I just don't enjoy watching it every single game he plays Well at least it's a fist in the mouth of all those guys who tell me that the top players cannot win games by being better at macro and mechanics because SC2 is soooo easy. | ||
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Cokefreak
Finland8095 Posts
July 23 2013 11:34 GMT
#1383
On July 23 2013 20:34 Ammanas wrote: GOM still has 3 times more viewers even though OGN stream is better in every regard ![]() Oh well, hopefully it will change in coming seasons. imo, GSL should be watched on GOM and OSL on OGN.. Except it has that weird camera angle.. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
July 23 2013 11:34 GMT
#1384
On July 23 2013 20:34 Wintex wrote: Show nested quote + On July 23 2013 20:34 Zerg.Zilla wrote: On July 23 2013 20:30 Emzeeshady wrote: On July 23 2013 20:26 Zerg.Zilla wrote: 30 minutes in the game still pure marine marauder widow mine...gotta love terran. I can't figure out what you mean by this? I'm saying it's starting to get boring as hell... Don't watch then... You ain't getting forced. but less boring games would be preferable, of course | ||
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Yonnua
United Kingdom2331 Posts
July 23 2013 11:35 GMT
#1385
On July 23 2013 20:34 Ammanas wrote: GOM still has 3 times more viewers even though OGN stream is better in every regard ![]() Oh well, hopefully it will change in coming seasons. imo, GSL should be watched on GOM and OSL on OGN.. The English GOM casters are more entertaining, in my opinion. That seems to be one of the major factors in why there are more foreign viewers watching GOM than OGN. | ||
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robson1
3632 Posts
July 23 2013 11:35 GMT
#1386
On July 23 2013 20:34 bo1b wrote: Show nested quote + On July 23 2013 20:33 Eufouria wrote: On July 23 2013 20:31 NarutO wrote: On July 23 2013 20:29 5unrise wrote: On July 23 2013 20:28 NarutO wrote: On July 23 2013 20:26 Zerg.Zilla wrote: 30 minutes in the game still pure marine marauder widow mine...gotta love terran. Stupidity level infinite you agreeing or disagreeing with him? just curious Disagreeing obviously. If Terran had any other viable options in a constant trade-off game, he can elaborate me. Marine/Tank isn't viable against mass muta styles, as you cannot keep up. Also your push timings are delayed and ultralisks can hit you very hard. Biomine is strong, but judging its strength based on INnoVations play is stupid, he's one of the best, if not the best Terran vs Zerg player right now and there are basically no Terrans that can match him in his mine control and hits what shows perfectly that the unit in itself isn't overpowered, but hard to use with a high reward. You've gotta transition to those 0/0 BCs or Thors. There's no reason you can't make those upgrades, late game terran floats a decent amount of gas. There is no real reason to make those upgrades in most cases though. | ||
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Chr15t
Denmark1103 Posts
July 23 2013 11:35 GMT
#1387
On July 23 2013 20:34 Cokefreak wrote: I wish Mech was actually a viable alternative. My man! | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
July 23 2013 11:35 GMT
#1388
On July 23 2013 20:34 Ammanas wrote: GOM still has 3 times more viewers even though OGN stream is better in every regard ![]() Oh well, hopefully it will change in coming seasons. imo, GSL should be watched on GOM and OSL on OGN.. that's for entertaining. sc2 viewers have been used to GOMtv due to the lack of starleague so far. and of course, tastosis. they're more entertaining then serious casters. they do have game knowledge, but they rather create hype and fill pauses with pretty much empty words. boring for me. I enjoy artosis with khaldor though much more then tastosis. tasteless is just overrated. | ||
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Wintex
Norway16838 Posts
July 23 2013 11:35 GMT
#1389
On July 23 2013 20:34 opterown wrote: Show nested quote + On July 23 2013 20:34 Wintex wrote: On July 23 2013 20:34 Zerg.Zilla wrote: On July 23 2013 20:30 Emzeeshady wrote: On July 23 2013 20:26 Zerg.Zilla wrote: 30 minutes in the game still pure marine marauder widow mine...gotta love terran. I can't figure out what you mean by this? I'm saying it's starting to get boring as hell... Don't watch then... You ain't getting forced. but less boring games would be preferable, of course If that game was boring.... | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16121 Posts
July 23 2013 11:35 GMT
#1390
On July 23 2013 20:34 Emzeeshady wrote: Show nested quote + On July 23 2013 20:32 Vindicare605 wrote: On July 23 2013 20:30 Ketch wrote: On July 23 2013 20:29 5unrise wrote: On July 23 2013 20:28 NarutO wrote: On July 23 2013 20:26 Zerg.Zilla wrote: 30 minutes in the game still pure marine marauder widow mine...gotta love terran. Stupidity level infinite you agreeing or disagreeing with him? just curious Well, having transitions necessary would be fun. I like ghosts/ravens and bc's :o Like I said already, transition into late game Terran units is actually counter-productive. They don't share upgrades and they give up the strengths that bio has which is mobility. Bio is designed to not be played with higher tech units except in a support role. It really depends on the map more than anything. It can definitely be viable imo. A tech switch to raven/BC is crazy good vs Ultra tech (Polt vs Hyun is a decent example). It worked vs Hyun because Hyun played a hyper defensive style on a map that where Polt could take an easy 4th base. Yea if you leave a Terran 100% alone and let him tech, a mix of Ravens and upgraded Battlecruisers CAN be a deadly army, but that's not normally possible under normal gameplay circumstances. | ||
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Ketch
Netherlands7285 Posts
July 23 2013 11:35 GMT
#1391
On July 23 2013 20:32 Vindicare605 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 23 2013 20:30 Ketch wrote: On July 23 2013 20:29 5unrise wrote: On July 23 2013 20:28 NarutO wrote: On July 23 2013 20:26 Zerg.Zilla wrote: 30 minutes in the game still pure marine marauder widow mine...gotta love terran. Stupidity level infinite you agreeing or disagreeing with him? just curious Well, having transitions necessary would be fun. I like ghosts/ravens and bc's :o Like I said already, transition into late game Terran units is actually counter-productive. They don't share upgrades and they give up the strengths that bio has which is mobility. Bio is designed to not be played with higher tech units except in a support role. Well yeah, I'd like to see Raven/Ghost support being made necessary, but it's not currently I totally agree of course | ||
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Yello
Germany7411 Posts
July 23 2013 11:35 GMT
#1392
On July 23 2013 20:33 Yello wrote: Show nested quote + On July 23 2013 20:30 Yello wrote: Soulkey spawns in the top left Innovation spawns in the bottom right0:00-4:00min CC first on the low ground by Innovation Hatch first for Soulkey Rax and Gas for Innovation 3rd Hatch before Pool for Soulkey 4:00-8:00min Factory and Reactor for Innovation, quick third CC on the way Lair and double Evo-Chamber for Soulkey, Roach Warren as well Double E-Bay for Innovation additional Raxes on the way | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
July 23 2013 11:35 GMT
#1393
On July 23 2013 20:34 bo1b wrote: Show nested quote + On July 23 2013 20:33 Eufouria wrote: On July 23 2013 20:31 NarutO wrote: On July 23 2013 20:29 5unrise wrote: On July 23 2013 20:28 NarutO wrote: On July 23 2013 20:26 Zerg.Zilla wrote: 30 minutes in the game still pure marine marauder widow mine...gotta love terran. Stupidity level infinite you agreeing or disagreeing with him? just curious Disagreeing obviously. If Terran had any other viable options in a constant trade-off game, he can elaborate me. Marine/Tank isn't viable against mass muta styles, as you cannot keep up. Also your push timings are delayed and ultralisks can hit you very hard. Biomine is strong, but judging its strength based on INnoVations play is stupid, he's one of the best, if not the best Terran vs Zerg player right now and there are basically no Terrans that can match him in his mine control and hits what shows perfectly that the unit in itself isn't overpowered, but hard to use with a high reward. You've gotta transition to those 0/0 BCs or Thors. There's no reason you can't make those upgrades, late game terran floats a decent amount of gas. But no minerals. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
July 23 2013 11:35 GMT
#1394
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
July 23 2013 11:36 GMT
#1395
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robson1
3632 Posts
July 23 2013 11:36 GMT
#1396
On July 23 2013 20:36 bo1b wrote: I actually think it's pretty cool innovation can use the same build every tvz. It's nice that there is a standard macro build which isn't too greedy or aggressive, and which makes you win or lose based on mechanics. 3 cc 26 supply into double upgrades. Not to greedy. The only way to make it more greedy would be to take soulkeys birthday presents as well. | ||
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Emzeeshady
Canada4203 Posts
July 23 2013 11:36 GMT
#1397
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Breach_hu
Hungary2431 Posts
July 23 2013 11:37 GMT
#1398
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KOtical
Germany451 Posts
July 23 2013 11:37 GMT
#1399
On July 23 2013 20:35 Yonnua wrote: Show nested quote + On July 23 2013 20:34 Ammanas wrote: GOM still has 3 times more viewers even though OGN stream is better in every regard ![]() Oh well, hopefully it will change in coming seasons. imo, GSL should be watched on GOM and OSL on OGN.. The English GOM casters are more entertaining, in my opinion. That seems to be one of the major factors in why there are more foreign viewers watching GOM than OGN. couldnt agree more... idk why but i dont really like the OGN casters... | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
July 23 2013 11:37 GMT
#1400
On July 23 2013 20:36 robson1 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 23 2013 20:36 bo1b wrote: I actually think it's pretty cool innovation can use the same build every tvz. It's nice that there is a standard macro build which isn't too greedy or aggressive, and which makes you win or lose based on mechanics. 3 cc 26 supply into double upgrades. Not to greedy. No it's not. Deal with it. | ||
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