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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-16 18:26:25
June 16 2013 18:25 GMT
#2301
On June 17 2013 03:23 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2013 03:20 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Starving a player out is a good strategic plan. But you have to build an army behind it that they can't beat when they inevitably all in you. And ToD's army was NOT unbeatable. Stephano's army was better in fact. That's the one thing I don't understand. The fight Stephano took in the end was horrible which is why ToD's win seemed easy in the end. But honestly ToD should have added mass voidrays or tempests that Stephano couldn't take out no matter how many SHs he has. But ToD's army actually wasn't safe. It doesn't beat mass SH/infestor/Viper, especially because ToD has no money


Tod would've just basetraded if Stephano went all in and sent his swarmhosts cross map, he never needed an army that could beat Stephano's. But I will stop now with this topic and enjoy the rest of the series^^.


That doesn't make sense because how does Stephano actually all in? He waits until ToD is mined out and keeps rallying free units while abducting every now and then until ToD has mined out the whole map and has to trade actual units against free units. Stephano wins that. The one who actually has to attack Stephano before that happens is ToD. And he did NOT have a unit composition that could break Stephano except if he catches Stephano completely out of position like he did.

That's exactly why he needed something like Tempests that will actually slowly but steadily kill Stephano.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
June 16 2013 18:25 GMT
#2302
On June 17 2013 03:24 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2013 03:23 AgentW wrote:
On June 17 2013 03:23 AlternativeEgo wrote:
pdd's against tempests is cheating :p

Haha, reminds me of NonY's stream one day: "How does your redneck with a gun shoot down my spaceship?"


The trick is to shoot at the same spot twice

"Aim for the open spot!"
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12486 Posts
June 16 2013 18:26 GMT
#2303
I think the main point is that ToD was trying to constantly run away from the locusts. If you're running away, it's very hard to feedback vipers, you need them at the tail of the army, and then they risk getting hit by the locusts. So if your goal isn't to engage, and you can do that without colossi, why build colossi?
No will to live, no wish to die
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
June 16 2013 18:27 GMT
#2304
Thorzain vs Naniwa summarized in a video:

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ssxsilver
Profile Joined June 2007
United States4409 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-16 18:27:36
June 16 2013 18:27 GMT
#2305
Damn those FFs!!
Err scratch that...
Msr
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)495 Posts
June 16 2013 18:27 GMT
#2306
You can tell stephano is already advanced. Looks like his build is to warm him up for the next group stage today rather than being efficient
_SpiRaL_
Profile Joined December 2012
Afghanistan1636 Posts
June 16 2013 18:28 GMT
#2307
LOL Incontrol not noticing that Stephano had a huge army lead.
Red and yellow are all I see
4ZakeN87
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1071 Posts
June 16 2013 18:28 GMT
#2308
This Naniwa Thorzain game is getting really stupid... I can almost see neurons burning inside Naniwa´s head now x) If he loses one or two games like this think we might see a probe rush in game 3 ^
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler" Einstein
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8254 Posts
June 16 2013 18:28 GMT
#2309
The decision making by Tod and Stephano is really bad imo...
Straxis
Profile Joined August 2012
85 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-16 18:29:39
June 16 2013 18:28 GMT
#2310
jesus, he sees the hydras and hasnt even started his robo bay--

Hey, where i can see naniwa?
Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
June 16 2013 18:29 GMT
#2311
Why does Tod Hate colossus, he would have won this game 10 minutes ago with 3 colossus
"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
June 16 2013 18:29 GMT
#2312
Stephano doing the starvation tactic now it seems
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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 16 2013 18:29 GMT
#2313
t3 ToD please get some.
I had a good night of sleep.
_SpiRaL_
Profile Joined December 2012
Afghanistan1636 Posts
June 16 2013 18:29 GMT
#2314
Pretty badly played by both here but ToDs multitasking and engagements are losing him this game.
Red and yellow are all I see
wUndertUnge
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1125 Posts
June 16 2013 18:29 GMT
#2315
Had he expended a 4th forcefiled to cut off the army, taken down the 4th, then recalled, that might have been better for ToD
Clan: QQGC - wundertunge#1850
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Nolot
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom271 Posts
June 16 2013 18:30 GMT
#2316
Tempest is supposed to kill late game turtle, but looks like that isn't working
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
June 16 2013 18:30 GMT
#2317
gotta say Incontrol and Mr Bitter are a bit of an awkward caster combo
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DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
June 16 2013 18:30 GMT
#2318
On June 17 2013 03:28 4ZakeN87 wrote:
This Naniwa Thorzain game is getting really stupid... I can almost see neurons burning inside Naniwa´s head now x) If he loses one or two games like this think we might see a probe rush in game 3 ^


Is it bo5?
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
June 16 2013 18:30 GMT
#2319
tempests can never break through that many pdds lol
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forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
June 16 2013 18:30 GMT
#2320
On June 17 2013 03:30 Schelim wrote:
gotta say Incontrol and Mr Bitter are a bit of an awkward caster combo

Bitter...?
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