EPTToDs extra bases were somewhat nullified by him headbutting his units away allowing Stephano to at one stage being in a superior position DOWN in bases to ToD.
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_SpiRaL_
Afghanistan1636 Posts
ToDs extra bases were somewhat nullified by him headbutting his units away allowing Stephano to at one stage being in a superior position DOWN in bases to ToD. | ||
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Glubschauge
Austria1216 Posts
 (yeah it makes sense, still sad ) | ||
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rpgalon
Brazil1069 Posts
On June 17 2013 03:13 Taurent wrote: The lack of understanding/professionalism from casters is incredible. ToD getting so much shit for coming out with a brilliant strategy to deal with swarm hosts, focusing on mobility and multiple expansions while being extremely aggressive. But because he goes for something that is counter intuitive, you are stupid? Seeing a creative player getting abuse for being innovative annoys me so much. /rant the only reason he won with this strat was because he was so fucking far ahead from early game... not because he was doing aggressive stuff. | ||
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BakedButters
United States748 Posts
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jonich0n
United States1982 Posts
On June 17 2013 03:13 Taurent wrote: The lack of understanding/professionalism from casters is incredible. ToD getting so much shit for coming out with a brilliant strategy to deal with swarm hosts, focusing on mobility and multiple expansions while being extremely aggressive. But because he goes for something that is counter intuitive, you are stupid? Seeing a creative player getting abuse for being innovative annoys me so much. /rant +1 I loved watching ToD's strategies... against decent Z player snuffe he opened with what seemed like a terrible build fell behind massively in supply but the n started constant harassing, denying bases, and massed void rays.. against maxed zerg army mass hydra. and won. | ||
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Kisra
United Kingdom466 Posts
On June 17 2013 03:16 DarkLordOlli wrote: The point was that ToD's unit composition doesn't beat Stephano's unless Stephano is massively behind as he was. If ToD had added in tempests to slowly pick away at everything then that whole strategy makes sense. Honestly Stephano would have won the game if he hadn't taken that horrible fight at the end because ToD had no money and Stephano's unit composition beats his. Basically this. Stephano lost due to losing his infestors without getting a chance to use them. If he got even a half decent fungal with Swarm Hosts in position, ToD would've just died. He had no money in the bank because he lost so much of his ahead economy by just throwing zealots into a blender, and losing templar again and again. | ||
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Shikada
Serbia976 Posts
On June 17 2013 03:15 TheBB wrote: Players yet to lose a game: Violet, Hyun, Mana, Jaedong, Snute. Nice info. JaeDong fighting!!! | ||
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ETisME
12474 Posts
On June 17 2013 03:18 Musicus wrote: Because he starved him out, he neveer intended to "bang down the door" of Stephano, just deny the 5th forever. It takes time but it was cool and refreshing and nice to see, imo the cast really ruined it and if they had given more credit to Tod's style it would've been much more exciting. or in Babyknights words: doesn't make that much sense. why the immortals instead of colossus then? | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On June 17 2013 03:17 monkh wrote: I'm not the pro player here so should probably leave it to Tod but I've seen games with heavy muta switch's and staying on Archon, Templar to stop that you say explain why 12 supply of zealots better than 4 Collosi, I ask you how can you afford any Collosi with the price of 12 zealots (1200 minerals 0 gas)? If you're actually arguing that Tod couldn't have afforded four colossus in that late game scenario then you probably need to rewatch that game. And if heavy mutalisk switch is your concern, keep in mind that stephano had a severely limited economy for most of that game AND tod would have still have a ton of archons/storm lying around. Just because you have colossus doesn't mean you forgo other good lategame protoss units (like archons and templar) | ||
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shid0x
Korea (South)5014 Posts
Look at feast,tod,adel,neo...all rook same. | ||
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AgentW
United States7725 Posts
On June 17 2013 03:17 Poopi wrote: I have no clue about PvZ (and not much clue about the current state of HotS since I don't play / watch it atm), but it's a foreign protoss beating Stephano, so the strategy is good somehow. I disagree with this. The advantage was gained in the early game taking out Stephano's third (twice?). He then was a base up the whole game, eventually culminating in an inefficient conclusion. He didn't even have a Robo Bay or Stargates in case his army was crushed. Had he been caught out of position, I think he would have been in major trouble. | ||
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Azhrei16
United States284 Posts
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bbfg
30 Posts
On June 17 2013 02:48 Anonymous_Coward wrote: Because the Sc2 tournament is a very small and not that important part of Dreamhack. Isn't it the most important tournament going on? During breaks they show how much people are watching dreamhack streams, and SC2 had a very big % of those numbers. At least 40% I think, possibly more. | ||
Olli
Austria24417 Posts
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Dingodile
4135 Posts
About collossi: i think he avoided it in order viper are lesser useful. | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On June 17 2013 03:18 Musicus wrote: Because he starved him out, he neveer intended to "bang down the door" of Stephano, just deny the 5th forever. It takes time but it was cool and refreshing and nice to see, imo the cast really ruined it and if they had given more credit to Tod's style it would've been much more exciting. or in Babyknights words: It's like people who are praising tod's strategy to starve out stephano refuse to believe you can do the exact same thing with either a) tempests b) colossus and have much better results | ||
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Fjodorov
5007 Posts
On June 17 2013 03:18 AgentW wrote: What? The point is that ToD couldn't break Stephano with the lack of sufficient splash damage, and had to keep inefficiently trading until he finally won. It was frankly brutal to watch. But isnt that the whole point? To keep him defending until he is out of resources? Tod doesnt have to worry about efficiency as long as he denys bases | ||
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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vesicular
United States1310 Posts
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dsousa
United States1363 Posts
Then I looked at the standing and see that ToD needed 1 games to advance while Stephano already has advanced. Stephano's so nice. | ||
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