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United States23455 Posts
How long before people complain about Doa/Monte taking over for Day9/Apollo?
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Losira smelling his fingers
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On June 07 2013 15:08 Emzeeshady wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 15:04 SupLilSon wrote:On June 07 2013 15:03 Emzeeshady wrote:On June 07 2013 15:02 SupLilSon wrote:On June 07 2013 14:59 Emzeeshady wrote:On June 07 2013 14:56 SupLilSon wrote:On June 07 2013 14:47 scypio wrote:On June 07 2013 14:43 chipmonklord17 wrote:On June 07 2013 14:40 SSVnormandy wrote:
ZvT meta : "just defend the damn allin" I foresee this as the meta until blizzard hits terran with the nerf bat/buffs zerg. Macro games against terran are just so ridiculous with hellbats/mines. Mines act as an insane equalizer and for their cost they do so much versus zerg. I don't really know what the answer is because it seems like ZvP and TvP are pretty balanced and I don't know what changes they can make that won't destroy those match ups. That's a great idea! The zergs have won 5 GSLs in a row. They have 14 players in Code-S/Premier KR for the third time in a row. The terran is at all-time low with just 8 Code-S players. Last GSL they won was in May 2012, over a year ago. Let's nerf terran! :D Pshhhh.. get outa here with your statisticals and fancy jargon! The fact that Zergs have won a bunch of GSLs in a row isn't stats. It is just irrelevant information especially given that 4 of those were in WOL. Also if balance could be determined by how many players of that race were in Code S then Terran must have been OP for 3/4 of WOL. According to the community and based on which races got nerfs, they were... discussing balance in LR thread.. I'm just gonna stop here. When there was an abundance of GSL Terrans it was conclusive proof of imbalance. Now that Zerg has dominated the Korean scene for months on end GSL stats are "irrelevant information". lol Yes, because that was in WOL, how do you not understand this lol? I understand this... what do you not understand? It's not like we transitioned from BW to SC2... it's a continuation of the same game... Are you actually trying to argue that GSL stats in WOL are relevant to HOTS balance. Maybe they would be in say TvP but given how much TvZ has changed they just are not. Especially since a lot of the stuff people are debating about are the new units and abilities. Infestor/Broodlord, the main source of ZvT wins in WOL has been completely wiped out. Therefore Zerg wins using this strategy in WOL have no relevance towards HOTS balance.
No, I'm arguing that Zerg is winning everything in HotS... People complained to no end about window mines, hellbats and Terran imbalance... still Zerg is winning but apparently Terran is still OP. Just read through you and other's comments in here. "Oh tanks are not favored in TvZ because mines are so wtf imba".. Terran gets rolled by roach/bane while having shittons of mines... "You just need tanks... stupid Terrans." Like I said, I'm done discussing balance in the LR. It's WoL all over again, Zerg dominating but at the same time Terran is the OP race. Right...
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oh crap Losira no longer has the glasses D;
I haven't really been checking out the OGN stream
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whoever ok'ed these suits should probably be shot
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so day9 and apollo get the main stage...and then don't cast. why not just wait to switch them?
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sharp jackets and ties. i think they are better dressed than shaun/sean.
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Wow that jacket and tie combination....
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Austria24422 Posts
OK I'M HERE
So far so expected. Good job by Alicia though, now GO MVP
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On June 07 2013 15:13 Fionn wrote:
How long before people complain about Doa/Monte taking over for Day9/Apollo?
Quite a while, since, I guess, most watch Wolfdor.
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Gogo Mvp!
Play a mech game.
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It's like everyone on IM no longer wears glasses, except Nestea.
No Lasik till you actually do something Mr.Tea!
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Just tuning in after getting from work. how delayed will the hero , forgg series be? if at all?
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Poor artosis in the background lol
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Wow it's going to be a really late airing, wanted to watch hero and roro mainly too, but oh well >.<
I guess this time is better for the KR/EU viewers so there's that trade-off.
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On June 07 2013 15:15 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
It's like everyone on IM no longer wears glasses, except Nestea.
No Lasik to you actually do something Mr.Tea!
Yonghwa, First and Squirtle all got lasik right?
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Forgg doing some shopping!
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On June 07 2013 15:12 ymir233 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 15:01 GTPGlitch wrote:On June 07 2013 14:54 Emzeeshady wrote:On June 07 2013 14:47 GTPGlitch wrote:On June 07 2013 14:44 Emzeeshady wrote:On June 07 2013 14:43 GTPGlitch wrote:On June 07 2013 14:38 Dvriel wrote:On June 07 2013 14:34 IshinShishi wrote:On June 07 2013 14:28 Emzeeshady wrote:On June 07 2013 14:26 Dvriel wrote:
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Very well said Blade!! I want to see the Terrans finally change their stupid greedy style with 5CC in 5 minutes and understand this is TOO greedy. Not even koreans are able to defend it and Innovation lost finals because of this. Lets try some old WoL style and begin defending poking here and there with hellion till be prepared to go out.Every time Terran diez like this I am so happy and they deserve it. Terrans are stubborn in their ways. Yes, make those siege tanks and watch how your 43 scvs fare against 75 drones. 43 SCVs? You can have 52 SCVs in 10 min with only 2 bases and still make 3rd CC and expand at 12:30 with it landed!!! Just need to remember the Bombers TvZ from Day9s daily. Just got 2-3 Tanks to defend and switch to WM+bio with early upgrades as well. Yeah no. "2-3 Tanks to defend" is also known as shooting yourself in the foot so you can't attack anything, and 52 scv's in 10 minutes is nothing compared to 80 drones on 3 bases with a fourth coming up, 2/2 done, hive and 3/3 on the way. You can't afford mines, tanks, upgrades, and bio at the same time, and tanks mean you can't put pressure on in TvZ because just zerglings hardcounter them so zerg sees the tanks and gets a free pass to do whatever until like 15:00 because the hardest attack that you'll face is like 6 hellions or 8 marine drop. You really don't know anything about ZvT do you? Oh yeah sure I mean I guess I just missed all those games where the pros did tank pushes in TvZ after 2010 Yeah, because that was what was wrong with your post... First of all they don't have to blindly build tanks. The second a Terran sees the Zerg committing to Roaches they can go for them knowing that the Zerg is going to be very aggressive. No one builds roaches with the intention of heading to the lategame. Secondly the Terran doesn't have to get all those things at once. That is the greedy play we are talking about. The Zerg forgoes a shitload of tech and economy to do that attack so you don't need super fast ups and lots of bio. What you need are bunkers, tanks, widow mines and marauders. The Zerg forgoes Mutas so drop play is amazingly effective if the push is held off. Also lings don't hard counter tanks, that is a stupid statement. With +1 mechanical tanks destroy lings. 1) See roach warren-build tanks or pray it's for hellion defense. Larva means you don't know an allin is coming until it's done producing. You don't see what eggs are building until it's done, and crossmap distances mean you get one, MAYBE two tanks out by the time the allin hits. 2) If you don't get upgrades+3CC fast, you are going to be on equal ground in the time when terran needs to do damage instead of ahead, which reduces the ability to do damage and in turn reduces chances of victory the longer the game goes on. 3) Building tanks, marauders, mines, and bunkers is also forgoing a shitload of tech and economy, and if you start it when you see the first roach come out you don't know if the zerg is just making a few for defense or if it's actually an allin. Delaying your third until after you have multiple tanks is also dumb because tanks delay tech to mine/medivac really hard and without gasses 5/6 it becomes a massive block. Can't afford medivacs on 2base going mine/marauder/tank/bunker, so drop play isn't actually effective because it happens just as well as mutas do. I don't exactly get why Terrans want tanks AND mines AND medivacs AND bunkers AND a third base all at a reasonable time, but I'm fine with the ZvT matchup becoming 50/50 chance allins until hilarity ensues.
Well you need the tanks and bunkers and marauders and mines to defend an allin that you can't scout until you have like 40 seconds until it hits, and you need a third if you don't want to die at 12 minutes instead of 10
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