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On June 07 2013 15:00 vult wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 14:58 oniman999 wrote:
I know for me personally, I avoid tanks in TvZ because of vipers. Blinding cloud is really strong against tanks, and every time I am like "Why don't I marine/tanks in TvZ anymore" blinding cloud is like "this is why". I am just a plat level scrub though, so maybe tanks are really effective still at higher level play when you have more speed to unsiege/siege them more often and split marines better and whatnot. Just my 2 cents on the debate. well i mean, marine tank is good vs roach/hydra comps, since WMs are garbage vs those. but really you can't let them get vipers.
Yeah and I realized after I posted that the main talking point is tanks early to calm the roach baneling all-ins. But I guess what I am saying is if you marine/tank it's going to mostly be defense oriented, making it harder to stop the "don't let them get vipers" battle plan. I dunno, I am not the one to look towards for answers in this time of roach baneling madness. I'm just gonna abuse hellbat drop every game and hope I win in the first 10 minutes.
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On June 07 2013 15:03 Emzeeshady wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 15:02 SupLilSon wrote:On June 07 2013 14:59 Emzeeshady wrote:On June 07 2013 14:56 SupLilSon wrote:On June 07 2013 14:47 scypio wrote:On June 07 2013 14:43 chipmonklord17 wrote:On June 07 2013 14:40 SSVnormandy wrote:
ZvT meta : "just defend the damn allin" I foresee this as the meta until blizzard hits terran with the nerf bat/buffs zerg. Macro games against terran are just so ridiculous with hellbats/mines. Mines act as an insane equalizer and for their cost they do so much versus zerg. I don't really know what the answer is because it seems like ZvP and TvP are pretty balanced and I don't know what changes they can make that won't destroy those match ups. That's a great idea! The zergs have won 5 GSLs in a row. They have 14 players in Code-S/Premier KR for the third time in a row. The terran is at all-time low with just 8 Code-S players. Last GSL they won was in May 2012, over a year ago. Let's nerf terran! :D Pshhhh.. get outa here with your statisticals and fancy jargon! The fact that Zergs have won a bunch of GSLs in a row isn't stats. It is just irrelevant information especially given that 4 of those were in WOL. Also if balance could be determined by how many players of that race were in Code S then Terran must have been OP for 3/4 of WOL. According to the community and based on which races got nerfs, they were... discussing balance in LR thread.. I'm just gonna stop here. When there was an abundance of GSL Terrans it was conclusive proof of imbalance. Now that Zerg has dominated the Korean scene for months on end GSL stats are "irrelevant information". lol Yes, because that was in WOL, how do you not understand this lol?
I understand this... what do you not understand? It's not like we transitioned from BW to SC2... it's a continuation of the same game...
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On June 07 2013 15:03 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 15:02 Laryleprakon wrote:On June 07 2013 15:01 Dodgin wrote:On June 07 2013 14:59 movac wrote:
oh man so the winner here get's to play against soulkey? If that's true I would say this is the end of the line for both of them, and they're fighting for 8th place $ and points. Maybe Losira could win in ZvZ but I doubt it... I still want to see Mvp play a Bo5 (??) vs Soulkey! See if his hellbat/marador timings do anything or if he can win a mech game. I don't really want to see Mvp get destroyed that badly >_>
Maybe, I didn't think he would even get this far before WCS so getting to the ro8 and winning another championship is amazing +so many WCS points.
And he might win, maybe
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On June 07 2013 14:57 ThomasR wrote:
imagine if this tournament had life, flash, parting etc. instead of the likes of revival, tlo and forgg
Imagine if wcs eu and am would have been region locked like people wanted. This is as good as you could have hoped for.
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well this sucks. Teamkill for 2nd ;;
Even though I want Losira to win more, I think I'd rather cheer for MVP simply because I'd trust him more than Losira to go far.
ro32-ro16 MVP and ro8+ MVP is like the difference between super saiyan and super saiyan 3
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Just logged back in. How long until MvP vs Losira?
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On June 07 2013 15:05 aZealot wrote:
Just logged back in. How long until MvP vs Losira?
1 minute if you believe the overlay.
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On June 07 2013 15:05 aZealot wrote:
Just logged back in. How long until MvP vs Losira?
It should be any minute now
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On June 07 2013 14:59 saddaromma wrote:
this style makes me nostalgic about fruitdealer era
FD used a bunch of baneling drops on top of the terran army in major engagements..losira didn't even get drops
plus FD threw in ultras into the composition
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On June 07 2013 15:03 IPeePeeALLDAY wrote:
Mvp is gonna teach Ryung how to defend Lorisa's roach/bane/ling
I hope so, but Mvp has proven vulnerable to those types of things in the past. Frankly, just building tanks before mines would probably be sufficient, and then switch into full-on mine when tunneling claws is being researched. This would slow down bio upgrades and/or medivac production, but the fact that standard bio-mine play allows those to come out so early is part of why it's so incredibly strong if the Zerg doesn't try to punish it.
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So much downtime.... ugh.
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On June 07 2013 15:04 Emzeeshady wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 15:03 Dodgin wrote:On June 07 2013 15:02 Laryleprakon wrote:On June 07 2013 15:01 Dodgin wrote:On June 07 2013 14:59 movac wrote:
oh man so the winner here get's to play against soulkey? If that's true I would say this is the end of the line for both of them, and they're fighting for 8th place $ and points. Maybe Losira could win in ZvZ but I doubt it... I still want to see Mvp play a Bo5 (??) vs Soulkey! See if his hellbat/marador timings do anything or if he can win a mech game. I don't really want to see Mvp get destroyed that badly >_> idk, Mvp usually plays pretty safe and is good at scouting. Plus he is smarter then most Terrans and won't die to all ins 3 games in a row (Bomber -_-).
I don't think soulkey would all in vs mvp, he would just play macro and crush.
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On June 07 2013 14:59 Dvriel wrote:http://drop.sc/340756IF you dont believe me, going for 2-3 tanks is TOTALLY POSSBILE and transition into bio+mines without being so far behind. And this is only Diamond execution...I tried to adapt the Bombers TvZ from WoL. http://day9.tv/d/Day9/day9-daily-530/
Yeah i'm sure it's possible against zergs that float 800/400 at 61 supply and 8 minutes while on ~40 drones
Not against zergs that know how to macro though.
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OH yes that's the music, gsl music boy
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On June 07 2013 15:01 saddaromma wrote:
tanks are not popular because mutas are faster now, they easily pickup tanks and do better at harassing.
Or is it because Mines do more splash damage for cheaper both in terms of cost and supply at the most crucial time of an engagement (the beginning)? The only reason they dont cost more is because of that timer, but their damage is so heavily front loaded that the timer doesnt matter in a lot of engagements.
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On June 07 2013 15:07 Zinthar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 15:03 IPeePeeALLDAY wrote:
Mvp is gonna teach Ryung how to defend Lorisa's roach/bane/ling I hope so, but Mvp has proven vulnerable to those types of things in the past. Frankly, just building tanks before mines would probably be sufficient, and then switch into full-on mine when tunneling claws is being researched. This would slow down bio upgrades and/or medivac production, but the fact that standard bio-mine play allows those to come out so early is part of why it's so incredibly strong if the Zerg doesn't try to punish it.
pretty sure he's going to 11/11
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Thanks chaps. I thought I had gotten the time wrong or something. But I guess delays are not unusual.
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