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geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8254 Posts
June 07 2013 06:00 GMT
#3181
On June 07 2013 14:56 vrok wrote:
What's with the music? And the black borders during the games?

Where's my GOMTV main stage production. OGN sucks.

I've been watching GOM all night..
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
June 07 2013 06:01 GMT
#3182
On June 07 2013 15:00 Oboeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 14:59 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On June 07 2013 14:59 Oboeman wrote:
On June 07 2013 14:57 usethis2 wrote:
On June 07 2013 14:53 Oboeman wrote:
oh man this is the losira i remember. mass roach baneling against anything and just have unbelievably so many units that he can a-move over everything.

this isn't just his answer to bio-mine, this is how he played in wings of liberty too.

Yah I remember him a-moving banelings on Shakura's backdoor all the way from his base to the Terran base. Hitting every tank on the way, rofl.

losira is remembered for two things.

a-moving banelings into tanks.
losing his hatchery to every single 2 rax.

and still winning games.

btw has he been 2 raxed yet since his "return"?

Yes. He played Maru in code A and Maru went 11-11 in all 3 games. Losira won 2-1

haha. did he lose the hatch?

I cant remember but I'm pretty sure he guessed Maru would 11-11 him and went pool first. I remember him going 1 base banelings in at least 1 of the games
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Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
June 07 2013 06:01 GMT
#3183
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
June 07 2013 06:01 GMT
#3184
On June 07 2013 14:59 movac wrote:
oh man so the winner here get's to play against soulkey?


If that's true I would say this is the end of the line for both of them, and they're fighting for 8th place $ and points.

Maybe Losira could win in ZvZ but I doubt it...
DeathProfessor
Profile Joined March 2012
United States1052 Posts
June 07 2013 06:01 GMT
#3185
On June 07 2013 14:56 Oboeman wrote:
what are those suits, what is that lounge, and what is this music?


Im imagining 70 year old ladies with drinks in their hands seeing them and going I gotta get me somma dat cabana boy man meat...
saddaromma
Profile Joined April 2013
1129 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-07 06:01:47
June 07 2013 06:01 GMT
#3186
tanks are not popular because mutas are faster now, they easily pickup tanks and do better at harassing.
Oboeman
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3980 Posts
June 07 2013 06:01 GMT
#3187
On June 07 2013 15:01 Emzeeshady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 14:59 Oboeman wrote:
On June 07 2013 14:57 usethis2 wrote:
On June 07 2013 14:53 Oboeman wrote:
oh man this is the losira i remember. mass roach baneling against anything and just have unbelievably so many units that he can a-move over everything.

this isn't just his answer to bio-mine, this is how he played in wings of liberty too.

Yah I remember him a-moving banelings on Shakura's backdoor all the way from his base to the Terran base. Hitting every tank on the way, rofl.

losira is remembered for two things.

a-moving banelings into tanks.
losing his hatchery to every single 2 rax.

and still winning games.

btw has he been 2 raxed yet since his "return"?

Maru 2 raxed him 3 games in a row at the end of WOL in Code A.

Losira lost his second hatch and won game 1, did the same thing but lost game 2 and then crushed it game three knowing it was coming by going 15 pool.

hahaha this is classic. somethings just never change.
GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
June 07 2013 06:01 GMT
#3188
On June 07 2013 14:56 Emzeeshady wrote:
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On June 07 2013 14:55 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On June 07 2013 14:53 Lunareste wrote:
On June 07 2013 14:50 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On June 07 2013 14:45 Talack wrote:
On June 07 2013 14:43 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On June 07 2013 14:40 SSVnormandy wrote:
ZvT meta : "just defend the damn allin"


I foresee this as the meta until blizzard hits terran with the nerf bat/buffs zerg. Macro games against terran are just so ridiculous with hellbats/mines. Mines act as an insane equalizer and for their cost they do so much versus zerg. I don't really know what the answer is because it seems like ZvP and TvP are pretty balanced and I don't know what changes they can make that won't destroy those match ups.


I think they're going to watch for zerg to figure out the matchup better first. Right now there isn't much innovation for zerg going on.



There isn't much to be had sadly. Using swarmhosts against a bio mine terran is just asking to have speedvacs assault you everywhere your SHs aren't. While muta regen has been an interesting help to mutas overseers are much too slow to keep up if you want to use them to snipe off mines, and if you don't you get games like Jaedong vs some T in proleague where he lost 6 or 7 mutas against random mines on the map.

Honestly depending on how the next few weeks/month goes I'd like to see some buff to infestors (some inbetween of where they are now and WoL). I think changing them in some way (either making ITs better or fungal better) will help both against terran (mine play/speedvacs/hellbats) and with Protoss with the new found popularity of voidrays.


About 80%+ of the community would rather stop watching than see Infestors get buffed again, especially since (according to May winrates) the game is balanced at pretty much all levels, and especially the pro level.


I would never want to see infestors get to WoL level but I could see them ending this "I'm just going to all in every game" ZvT and the "lololvoids" PvZ

I would like a Hydra buff so that going roach/hydra isn't an auto loss and Voids rays have a counter that can't be fed backed.


I don't really think they need a buff, but some sort of change in the game for sure. I hate how the main zerg anti air unit is countered by every stargate unit except maybe oracle -.-
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GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
June 07 2013 06:01 GMT
#3189
On June 07 2013 14:54 Emzeeshady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 14:47 GTPGlitch wrote:
On June 07 2013 14:44 Emzeeshady wrote:
On June 07 2013 14:43 GTPGlitch wrote:
On June 07 2013 14:38 Dvriel wrote:
On June 07 2013 14:34 IshinShishi wrote:
On June 07 2013 14:28 Emzeeshady wrote:
On June 07 2013 14:26 Dvriel wrote:
On June 07 2013 14:22 blade55555 wrote:
On June 07 2013 14:22 SupLilSon wrote:
[quote]

Mine field + siege tanks and still got rolled -.- Dunno what has to be done to stop that 3 base roach/bane stuff.


Stop being as greedy


Very well said Blade!! I want to see the Terrans finally change their stupid greedy style with 5CC in 5 minutes and understand this is TOO greedy. Not even koreans are able to defend it and Innovation lost finals because of this. Lets try some old WoL style and begin defending poking here and there with hellion till be prepared to go out.Every time Terran diez like this I am so happy and they deserve it.

Terrans are stubborn in their ways.

Yes, make those siege tanks and watch how your 43 scvs fare against 75 drones.


43 SCVs? You can have 52 SCVs in 10 min with only 2 bases and still make 3rd CC and expand at 12:30 with it landed!!! Just need to remember the Bombers TvZ from Day9s daily. Just got 2-3 Tanks to defend and switch to WM+bio with early upgrades as well.


Yeah no. "2-3 Tanks to defend" is also known as shooting yourself in the foot so you can't attack anything, and 52 scv's in 10 minutes is nothing compared to 80 drones on 3 bases with a fourth coming up, 2/2 done, hive and 3/3 on the way. You can't afford mines, tanks, upgrades, and bio at the same time, and tanks mean you can't put pressure on in TvZ because just zerglings hardcounter them so zerg sees the tanks and gets a free pass to do whatever until like 15:00 because the hardest attack that you'll face is like 6 hellions or 8 marine drop.

You really don't know anything about ZvT do you?


Oh yeah sure I mean I guess I just missed all those games where the pros did tank pushes in TvZ after 2010

Yeah, because that was what was wrong with your post...

First of all they don't have to blindly build tanks. The second a Terran sees the Zerg committing to Roaches they can go for them knowing that the Zerg is going to be very aggressive. No one builds roaches with the intention of heading to the lategame. Secondly the Terran doesn't have to get all those things at once. That is the greedy play we are talking about. The Zerg forgoes a shitload of tech and economy to do that attack so you don't need super fast ups and lots of bio. What you need are bunkers, tanks, widow mines and marauders. The Zerg forgoes Mutas so drop play is amazingly effective if the push is held off.

Also lings don't hard counter tanks, that is a stupid statement. With +1 mechanical tanks destroy lings.


1) See roach warren-build tanks or pray it's for hellion defense. Larva means you don't know an allin is coming until it's done producing. You don't see what eggs are building until it's done, and crossmap distances mean you get one, MAYBE two tanks out by the time the allin hits.

2) If you don't get upgrades+3CC fast, you are going to be on equal ground in the time when terran needs to do damage instead of ahead, which reduces the ability to do damage and in turn reduces chances of victory the longer the game goes on.

3) Building tanks, marauders, mines, and bunkers is also forgoing a shitload of tech and economy, and if you start it when you see the first roach come out you don't know if the zerg is just making a few for defense or if it's actually an allin. Delaying your third until after you have multiple tanks is also dumb because tanks delay tech to mine/medivac really hard and without gasses 5/6 it becomes a massive block. Can't afford medivacs on 2base going mine/marauder/tank/bunker, so drop play isn't actually effective because it happens just as well as mutas do.
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SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
June 07 2013 06:02 GMT
#3190
On June 07 2013 14:59 Emzeeshady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 14:56 SupLilSon wrote:
On June 07 2013 14:47 scypio wrote:
On June 07 2013 14:43 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On June 07 2013 14:40 SSVnormandy wrote:
ZvT meta : "just defend the damn allin"


I foresee this as the meta until blizzard hits terran with the nerf bat/buffs zerg. Macro games against terran are just so ridiculous with hellbats/mines. Mines act as an insane equalizer and for their cost they do so much versus zerg. I don't really know what the answer is because it seems like ZvP and TvP are pretty balanced and I don't know what changes they can make that won't destroy those match ups.


That's a great idea! The zergs have won 5 GSLs in a row. They have 14 players in Code-S/Premier KR for the third time in a row.

The terran is at all-time low with just 8 Code-S players. Last GSL they won was in May 2012, over a year ago.

Let's nerf terran! :D


Pshhhh.. get outa here with your statisticals and fancy jargon!

The fact that Zergs have won a bunch of GSLs in a row isn't stats. It is just irrelevant information especially given that 4 of those were in WOL.

Also if balance could be determined by how many players of that race were in Code S then Terran must have been OP for 3/4 of WOL.


According to the community and based on which races got nerfs, they were... discussing balance in LR thread.. I'm just gonna stop here. When there was an abundance of GSL Terrans it was conclusive proof of imbalance. Now that Zerg has dominated the Korean scene for months on end GSL stats are "irrelevant information". lol
jinsanity
Profile Joined July 2012
United States137 Posts
June 07 2013 06:02 GMT
#3191
mvp vs losira haven't seen that in a while
r u ez?
littlebigs
Profile Joined January 2012
United States29 Posts
June 07 2013 06:02 GMT
#3192
are they playing the two other groups after this last set is over?
Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
June 07 2013 06:02 GMT
#3193
On June 07 2013 15:01 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 14:59 movac wrote:
oh man so the winner here get's to play against soulkey?


If that's true I would say this is the end of the line for both of them, and they're fighting for 8th place $ and points.

Maybe Losira could win in ZvZ but I doubt it...


I still want to see Mvp play a Bo5 (??) vs Soulkey! See if his hellbat/marador timings do anything or if he can win a mech game.
Jeremy Reimer
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada1197 Posts
June 07 2013 06:02 GMT
#3194
Losira versus MVP for the final match! It's time to party like it's 2011!
"Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere." -- Carl Sagan
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
June 07 2013 06:03 GMT
#3195
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Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
June 07 2013 06:03 GMT
#3196
On June 07 2013 14:55 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 14:55 DidYuhim wrote:
How in the world Mvp lost to Alicia?

Alicia engaged better

And regardless how many times Alicia plays (and just about always wins), nobody gives him credit or thinks he's any good.
Refer to my post.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
June 07 2013 06:03 GMT
#3197
On June 07 2013 15:02 Laryleprakon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 15:01 Dodgin wrote:
On June 07 2013 14:59 movac wrote:
oh man so the winner here get's to play against soulkey?


If that's true I would say this is the end of the line for both of them, and they're fighting for 8th place $ and points.

Maybe Losira could win in ZvZ but I doubt it...


I still want to see Mvp play a Bo5 (??) vs Soulkey! See if his hellbat/marador timings do anything or if he can win a mech game.


I don't really want to see Mvp get destroyed that badly >_>
IPeePeeALLDAY
Profile Joined June 2013
8 Posts
June 07 2013 06:03 GMT
#3198
Mvp is gonna teach Ryung how to defend Lorisa's roach/bane/ling
IMMvp
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
June 07 2013 06:03 GMT
#3199
On June 07 2013 15:02 SupLilSon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 14:59 Emzeeshady wrote:
On June 07 2013 14:56 SupLilSon wrote:
On June 07 2013 14:47 scypio wrote:
On June 07 2013 14:43 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On June 07 2013 14:40 SSVnormandy wrote:
ZvT meta : "just defend the damn allin"


I foresee this as the meta until blizzard hits terran with the nerf bat/buffs zerg. Macro games against terran are just so ridiculous with hellbats/mines. Mines act as an insane equalizer and for their cost they do so much versus zerg. I don't really know what the answer is because it seems like ZvP and TvP are pretty balanced and I don't know what changes they can make that won't destroy those match ups.


That's a great idea! The zergs have won 5 GSLs in a row. They have 14 players in Code-S/Premier KR for the third time in a row.

The terran is at all-time low with just 8 Code-S players. Last GSL they won was in May 2012, over a year ago.

Let's nerf terran! :D


Pshhhh.. get outa here with your statisticals and fancy jargon!

The fact that Zergs have won a bunch of GSLs in a row isn't stats. It is just irrelevant information especially given that 4 of those were in WOL.

Also if balance could be determined by how many players of that race were in Code S then Terran must have been OP for 3/4 of WOL.


According to the community and based on which races got nerfs, they were... discussing balance in LR thread.. I'm just gonna stop here. When there was an abundance of GSL Terrans it was conclusive proof of imbalance. Now that Zerg has dominated the Korean scene for months on end GSL stats are "irrelevant information". lol


No zerg was imbalanced in WoL, in hots they aren't though. You can't keep going "well zergs won 7 tournaments in a row most of them in wol which means zerg imba in hots". I was pulling numbers out of my ass btw I don't know how many gsl's were won in a row by zerg I am just giving an example you can't use wol stats as proof that zerg is imbalanced.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Zinthar
Profile Joined March 2011
United States394 Posts
June 07 2013 06:03 GMT
#3200
On June 07 2013 14:57 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 14:55 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On June 07 2013 14:54 Bagration wrote:
That was stupid by Ryung, really sad. But I hope MVP beats Losira, he's just a one dimensional player who relies only on busts to win


People said the same of Symbol. Both he and Losira have shown they can play a very strong lategame. It's just better to go for the roach apparently since Terrans are allergic to tanks


Symbol is a lot better than Losira, and his all ins are better executed and more creative (nydus man).


Agreed. Losira looks like he's stumbling through the game and hopes to capitalize on a major mistake; in this case, Ryung's tank allergy and the fact that his army was out of position and didn't see Losira coming until he was practically at his natural.

Both Symbol and Soulkey execute very precise all-ins -- like Soulkey's G4 & G5 all-ins vs. Innvoation were planned meticulously, so the roach warren finished simultaneously with Lair to start roach speed immediately, and then the way that he saved up the larva so that he could make 20+ roaches at once to ensure that Innovation wouldn't see them too early.
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