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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On May 23 2013 19:17 Vorenius wrote: Baby, Reality, Leta No way he was top10. He would probably be around top15-20 to most people. He was probably not top 10 but definitely better than Reality and Leta at the time. Top 5 T's at the end were something like Flash Fantasy Baby Bogus and Light/Last. | ||
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h0munkulus
Austria1481 Posts
So why go for a greedy opening against a player that has shown the last 2 games that he is willing to pull out every cheese in the book? | ||
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BlazeFury01
United States1460 Posts
lol no, I believe that was more of an example of reacting to your opponents greed. An example of a build order win is proxy 2 gate vs 14 expand on the low ground. | ||
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silentsaint
Germany540 Posts
On May 23 2013 19:20 Ramiz1989 wrote: What? You didn't use your brain for 5 seconds before writing that, did you? There are a lot better ways to organize the league and system can be a lot better. Well, how? | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On May 23 2013 19:21 Thrillz wrote: INnoVation you don't need to play greedy. Play standard and you'll probably win regardless. Korean terrans only know how to play greedy or greedy as fuck. no other settings | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On May 23 2013 19:20 kubiks wrote: Fact is, if Innovation was THAT confident in his macro games, he wouldn't do greedy builds. I think the meaning of symbol first game (like roro's) was "look I'm not bad in macro game, if you're not greedy you can loose" Terrans have to be greedy to some sort, to match Zergs. Otherwise you will need very aggressive and very good playstyle to pressure and expand behind it. If the Zerg defends anything from you while you are on 2 base and he holds his 3rd, you are done. Zerg is equally greedy, Terrans just match it. | ||
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las91
United States5080 Posts
Sea wasn't in the top 5 Terrans towards the end, no way. It doesn't really matter though, Innovation is close to unbeatable in TvZ, having only dropped 3 maps now total since HotS has been released. | ||
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Hrrrrm
United States2081 Posts
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DidYuhim
Ukraine1905 Posts
On May 23 2013 19:19 jackdaleaper wrote: Exactly, if a zerg can hatch first and lose to a cannon rush zvp why not a terran lose to a bane bust if he goes 3 cc early? We have multiple examples when zerg won after getting cannon rushed. Also, you can't cannon rush on every map and it's really easy to counter. Banebust randomly kills Terran. | ||
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
On May 23 2013 19:19 Type|NarutO wrote: No. Thats a coinflip. A build order win can very well be a reaction to something you see or do you want to argue that you cannot choose a build order win when getting information? ... depends on your definition of build order win. Anyhow, 3cc don't always die to baneling bust. The whole term "build order wins" these days implies random luck BO win that involves no skill or strategy. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On May 23 2013 19:21 h0munkulus wrote: I will never understand why great players in sc2 will go for unsave, greedy builds that are just unnecessary for them. If you want to beat a superior opponent, sometimes you need the extra economy a greedy start can give, but Innovation has shown time and time again that he can win against players that go for greedy openings when he opens save, especially in tvz... So why go for a greedy opening against a player that has shown the last 2 games that he is willing to pull out every cheese in the book? A greedy opening gives you an edge if not allined. You can gain advantage in ~70% of the games, lose 20% instantly and probably defend 10%. Worth the risk. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On May 23 2013 19:21 h0munkulus wrote: I will never understand why great players in sc2 will go for unsave, greedy builds that are just unnecessary for them. If you want to beat a superior opponent, sometimes you need the extra economy a greedy start can give, but Innovation has shown time and time again that he can win against players that go for greedy openings when he opens save, especially in tvz... So why go for a greedy opening against a player that has shown the last 2 games that he is willing to pull out every cheese in the book? I'd say It's a risk because he was up 3-0 and can afford to lose a game to a BO loss, if Symbol didn't go for that particular all in his greed could have paid off and he would have been on the way to an easy 4-0. He just took a risk, it backfired. | ||
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EpiK
Korea (South)5757 Posts
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DrPandaPhD
5188 Posts
On May 23 2013 19:22 DidYuhim wrote: We have multiple examples when zerg won after getting cannon rushed. Also, you can't cannon rush on every map and it's really easy to counter. Banebust randomly kills Terran. As if a terran never has won vs bane bust. | ||
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AbuntuGuntu
United States1972 Posts
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Lukeeze[zR]
Switzerland6838 Posts
On May 23 2013 19:21 las91 wrote: Sea wasn't in the top 5 Terrans towards the end, no way. It doesn't really matter though, Innovation is close to unbeatable in TvZ, having only dropped 3 maps now total since HotS has been released. Was Sea ever a top5 terran ? I can't remember Sea breaking a ro8 in osl/msl. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On May 23 2013 19:22 iky43210 wrote: depends on your definition of build order win. Anyhow, 3cc don't always die to baneling bust. The whole term "build order wins" these days implies random luck BO win that involves no skill or strategy. Didn't say it was one, only said you can have one without having made the decision beforehand. Here, BoguS got punished for being greedy. | ||
Fionn
United States23455 Posts
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yawnoC
United States3704 Posts
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polishedturd
United States505 Posts
On May 23 2013 19:22 EpiK wrote: LOL tasteless that fucking artosis giggle | ||
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