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it's because egtl has some very annoying fans who spam threads with an incredible amount of nonsense when they win, blame the previous coach when they lose, make nonsensical predictions, and a lot of them also happen to be rabid stephano fans. granted, you may not be one.
we're usually rivals with SKT so it's not uncommon to have disagreements with their fans, I've been rooting against SKT for 3 years or so. but nowadays i take SKT fans (win or lose) in good humour. which says a lot about egtl.
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On April 15 2013 22:09 Charlie.Sheen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 22:05 Penev wrote:On April 15 2013 21:39 fluidin wrote:On April 15 2013 21:31 Penev wrote:On April 15 2013 21:30 fluidin wrote:On April 15 2013 21:27 Penev wrote:On April 15 2013 21:23 shadymmj wrote:
yeah, sad to see some kespa fans putting jd down. as much as we want ez-tl to lose, i want jd to do well. when he was in top shape he is so, so good... Why do you want a team to lose? That's just sad. because if eg-tl wins that means his supported team, KT, loses? wut You know that's not the same thing. wut I duno man. In this assumed context, and since shady has a KT rolster flair, it would be a tad far-fetched to assume that he wants EG-TL to lose every time, and not just today. And don't wut me. That's the same thing, at least for today. Than don't wut yourself. Incredible that I have to explain this but as much as we want ez-tl to lose says more than as much as we want kt to win. You're being naive. There are plenty of fans just hate certain teams in other professional sports too, such as teams like Lakers, England soccer team etc. If you get too much attention compared to your performance, you bound to be hated more. And I don't think it's a bad thing at all.
I'm aware of that. That's just equally sad.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51083 Posts
"I want my team to win" and "I want the other team to lose", while they mean the same thing are 2 completely different things in terms of attitude, I prefer the former to the latter myself.
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On April 15 2013 22:11 shadymmj wrote:
it's because egtl has some very annoying fans who spam threads with an incredible amount of nonsense when they win, blame the previous coach when they lose, make nonsensical predictions, and a lot of them also happen to be rabid stephano fans. granted, you may not be one.
we're usually rivals with SKT so it's not uncommon to have disagreements with their fans, I've been rooting against SKT for 3 years or so. but nowadays i take SKT fans (win or lose) in good humour. which says a lot about egtl.
Hmm. "In good humour" is something essential to this hate stance though. Otherwise it's just irrational primal behaviour that proves to be quite damaging on a weekly bases on european football fields for instance.
edit: Wow, my typing skills are way of today.
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On April 15 2013 22:11 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 22:09 Charlie.Sheen wrote:On April 15 2013 22:05 Penev wrote:On April 15 2013 21:39 fluidin wrote:On April 15 2013 21:31 Penev wrote:On April 15 2013 21:30 fluidin wrote:On April 15 2013 21:27 Penev wrote:On April 15 2013 21:23 shadymmj wrote:
yeah, sad to see some kespa fans putting jd down. as much as we want ez-tl to lose, i want jd to do well. when he was in top shape he is so, so good... Why do you want a team to lose? That's just sad. because if eg-tl wins that means his supported team, KT, loses? wut You know that's not the same thing. wut I duno man. In this assumed context, and since shady has a KT rolster flair, it would be a tad far-fetched to assume that he wants EG-TL to lose every time, and not just today. And don't wut me. That's the same thing, at least for today. Than don't wut yourself. Incredible that I have to explain this but as much as we want ez-tl to lose says more than as much as we want kt to win. You're being naive. There are plenty of fans just hate certain teams in other professional sports too, such as teams like Lakers, England soccer team etc. If you get too much attention compared to your performance, you bound to be hated more. And I don't think it's a bad thing at all. I'm aware of that. That's just equally sad.
That's considered sad in your opinion. I applaud those fans, those fans are usually the ones who love the sports, rather than certain teams or players. They just want balance of attention towards teams.
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Flash on quite a slide...
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Australia54784 Posts
On April 15 2013 22:19 Charlie.Sheen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 22:11 Penev wrote:On April 15 2013 22:09 Charlie.Sheen wrote:On April 15 2013 22:05 Penev wrote:On April 15 2013 21:39 fluidin wrote:On April 15 2013 21:31 Penev wrote:On April 15 2013 21:30 fluidin wrote:On April 15 2013 21:27 Penev wrote:On April 15 2013 21:23 shadymmj wrote:
yeah, sad to see some kespa fans putting jd down. as much as we want ez-tl to lose, i want jd to do well. when he was in top shape he is so, so good... Why do you want a team to lose? That's just sad. because if eg-tl wins that means his supported team, KT, loses? wut You know that's not the same thing. wut I duno man. In this assumed context, and since shady has a KT rolster flair, it would be a tad far-fetched to assume that he wants EG-TL to lose every time, and not just today. And don't wut me. That's the same thing, at least for today. Than don't wut yourself. Incredible that I have to explain this but as much as we want ez-tl to lose says more than as much as we want kt to win. You're being naive. There are plenty of fans just hate certain teams in other professional sports too, such as teams like Lakers, England soccer team etc. If you get too much attention compared to your performance, you bound to be hated more. And I don't think it's a bad thing at all. I'm aware of that. That's just equally sad. That's considered sad in your opinion. I applaud those fans, those fans are usually the ones who love the sports, rather than certain teams or players. They just want balance of attention towards teams.
haha i don't think that's how those fans approach it
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On April 15 2013 22:05 purakushi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 21:55 lichter wrote:On April 15 2013 21:48 purakushi wrote:On April 15 2013 21:41 lichter wrote:On April 15 2013 21:37 purakushi wrote:On April 15 2013 21:28 DidYuhim wrote:On April 15 2013 21:27 purakushi wrote:
This has nothing to do with balance or how poorly JD played, but I hate just how snowbally SC2 is... =/ If the game was "snowbally" then JD would've won 10 times over. Well, I guess if you want to speak that way, that is just how badly JD the the game ;;. I suppose a better way to put it is that SC2 is just so punishing and rather than the opponent being able to catch up via skill, it takes a blunder (or many) from the other person for them to come back. Basically, there are not enough avenues of skill available for players to come back on their own. You can either say "You catch up by playing better" or "You catch up by playing less bad". It's semantics but basically the same thing. There's a difference between the two. Just regarding the ace match, no one is going to say Stats outplayed JD before they say that JD threw the game. It is not that Stats suddenly increased in skill;JD played poorly, hence the throw. I am saying that if JD made the correct decisions and managed his army the best he can after being up for so long, there was no way for Stats to come back and win. It took a blunder on the person ahead for that to happen, not any sort of playing than he had been. EDIT: on computer now, fixed some errors typed on phone. Who was it that said that Starcraft is a game of not making mistakes? You can say JD was ahead and Stats only won because JD blundered. But you can also say JD got ahead because Stats made mistakes. Every game boils down to who makes the least number of mistakes. I am saying this because this is the case for pretty much every single sport and game. The team that doesn't miss, doesn't foul, doesn't concede, doesn't fuck up, wins. Because perfect games are never played. Yes, even BW was about committing the fewest errors. SC2 is a harsh game, I agree, but high stakes games are supposed to be. That's true, but some mistakes are much easier to make yet hurt you even more than others. I am just saying it should be more about inching your way to victory, rather than ending the game in one huge fight, for example. Additionally, I just wish SC2 had more avenues of skill. Whether or not you think BW mechanics are good/bad/whatever, in BW, you could come back with mechanics alone even if you made a lousy decision earlier. Things like that. SC2 is more about not making mistakes; BW is about not making mistakes and playing even better whenever you can. BW allows more of that. (yes, I am implying that BW has a higher skillcap) Baseballs and frisbees... Note: I am not necessarily advocating that SC2 should be BW or anything like that, I am just mentioning that aspect of BW. Okay, I should hide now.
The thing is, having a higher skill ceiling can mean that there is more skill variation from the mean, but it can also mean that players are playing at a greater distance from perfection. Which means players play with inherently more acceptable mistakes, instead of having more 'good' actions. BW was so hard that it was impossible not to make mistakes. No one was even close to reaching that ceiling, and only at that ceiling is there no mistakes.
Also, I insist that the nature of both games is that while the BW skill ceiling was higher, SC2's skill ceiling is still high enough that it will never be reached. I know that is a bold statement to make, but if the ceiling were reachable, then players would be able to micro their bio individually, to avoid splash damage and projectiles, and focus fire with absolutely no overkill. There is still so much room for units to become efficient. I'm sure everyone will agree that we will never reach that point of marines never dying to banelings. So while the BW ceiling is higher, definitely, SC2's is still realistically infinite. Comparing infinites only makes sense for mathematicians. There is no practical difference.
The harshness of SC2 has more to do with terrible terrible damage, unit clumping, and the speed of the game rather than the existence of micro or multitask. In fact considering macro in SC2 is so much simplified, we're still not seeing micro on the level of BW. And it's not because there's nothing to micro.
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On April 15 2013 22:19 Charlie.Sheen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 22:11 Penev wrote:On April 15 2013 22:09 Charlie.Sheen wrote:On April 15 2013 22:05 Penev wrote:On April 15 2013 21:39 fluidin wrote:On April 15 2013 21:31 Penev wrote:On April 15 2013 21:30 fluidin wrote:On April 15 2013 21:27 Penev wrote:On April 15 2013 21:23 shadymmj wrote:
yeah, sad to see some kespa fans putting jd down. as much as we want ez-tl to lose, i want jd to do well. when he was in top shape he is so, so good... Why do you want a team to lose? That's just sad. because if eg-tl wins that means his supported team, KT, loses? wut You know that's not the same thing. wut I duno man. In this assumed context, and since shady has a KT rolster flair, it would be a tad far-fetched to assume that he wants EG-TL to lose every time, and not just today. And don't wut me. That's the same thing, at least for today. Than don't wut yourself. Incredible that I have to explain this but as much as we want ez-tl to lose says more than as much as we want kt to win. You're being naive. There are plenty of fans just hate certain teams in other professional sports too, such as teams like Lakers, England soccer team etc. If you get too much attention compared to your performance, you bound to be hated more. And I don't think it's a bad thing at all. I'm aware of that. That's just equally sad. That's considered sad in your opinion. I applaud those fans, those fans are usually the ones who love the sports, rather than certain teams or players. They just want balance of attention towards teams.
So now I'm picturing "you", literally applauding a group of people who are hating on someone. I don't know if that's sad but it sure is something.
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I know a lot of people are saying Roach Hydra Corrupter is shit...but wasn't there a ZvP vs EGTL on whirlwind 2 nights ago that the zerg got 3 bases full saturated and then streamed huge attacks of Roach hydra corruptor at the EG player? I think it probably isn't optimal but with the right positioning and timing it can definitely work. In that game the guy didn't even attack well and he still just ran over the protoss player eventually.
edit: it was JYP vs ALBM
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Austria24422 Posts
On April 15 2013 22:19 Charlie.Sheen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 22:11 Penev wrote:On April 15 2013 22:09 Charlie.Sheen wrote:On April 15 2013 22:05 Penev wrote:On April 15 2013 21:39 fluidin wrote:On April 15 2013 21:31 Penev wrote:On April 15 2013 21:30 fluidin wrote:On April 15 2013 21:27 Penev wrote:On April 15 2013 21:23 shadymmj wrote:
yeah, sad to see some kespa fans putting jd down. as much as we want ez-tl to lose, i want jd to do well. when he was in top shape he is so, so good... Why do you want a team to lose? That's just sad. because if eg-tl wins that means his supported team, KT, loses? wut You know that's not the same thing. wut I duno man. In this assumed context, and since shady has a KT rolster flair, it would be a tad far-fetched to assume that he wants EG-TL to lose every time, and not just today. And don't wut me. That's the same thing, at least for today. Than don't wut yourself. Incredible that I have to explain this but as much as we want ez-tl to lose says more than as much as we want kt to win. You're being naive. There are plenty of fans just hate certain teams in other professional sports too, such as teams like Lakers, England soccer team etc. If you get too much attention compared to your performance, you bound to be hated more. And I don't think it's a bad thing at all. I'm aware of that. That's just equally sad. That's considered sad in your opinion. I applaud those fans, those fans are usually the ones who love the sports, rather than certain teams or players. They just want balance of attention towards teams.
Not really. Those people have their favorites too, they just like being dicks when someone else gets the attention.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On April 15 2013 22:24 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 22:19 Charlie.Sheen wrote:On April 15 2013 22:11 Penev wrote:On April 15 2013 22:09 Charlie.Sheen wrote:On April 15 2013 22:05 Penev wrote:On April 15 2013 21:39 fluidin wrote:On April 15 2013 21:31 Penev wrote:On April 15 2013 21:30 fluidin wrote:On April 15 2013 21:27 Penev wrote:On April 15 2013 21:23 shadymmj wrote:
yeah, sad to see some kespa fans putting jd down. as much as we want ez-tl to lose, i want jd to do well. when he was in top shape he is so, so good... Why do you want a team to lose? That's just sad. because if eg-tl wins that means his supported team, KT, loses? wut You know that's not the same thing. wut I duno man. In this assumed context, and since shady has a KT rolster flair, it would be a tad far-fetched to assume that he wants EG-TL to lose every time, and not just today. And don't wut me. That's the same thing, at least for today. Than don't wut yourself. Incredible that I have to explain this but as much as we want ez-tl to lose says more than as much as we want kt to win. You're being naive. There are plenty of fans just hate certain teams in other professional sports too, such as teams like Lakers, England soccer team etc. If you get too much attention compared to your performance, you bound to be hated more. And I don't think it's a bad thing at all. I'm aware of that. That's just equally sad. That's considered sad in your opinion. I applaud those fans, those fans are usually the ones who love the sports, rather than certain teams or players. They just want balance of attention towards teams. Not really. Those people have their favorites too, they just like being dicks when someone else gets the attention.
And Team vs Team is a lot better than kespa vs esf. That one is a truly crappy imaginary 'rivalry'
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that map not even good for zerg whyyyyyyy~~ hero woulda owned T.T
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What if you want EG-TL (or any other team) to lose because it means your team has a better chance of getting into the playoffs?
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On April 15 2013 21:22 Liquid`Ret wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 21:20 Shantastic wrote:On April 15 2013 21:19 Insoleet wrote:On April 15 2013 21:17 Prince_Stranger wrote:
After this feels like PvZ is just too good for P. Its not Jaedong play was just terrible Horrible composition. It's a timing attack. Like when MKP would float to the middle of Metalopolis and all-in with marines. The crazy gas/mineral income creates a really powerful 3base roach-hydra-corruptor timing. And Jaedong just decides to try and play a macro game with an all-in composition. people on forums don't understand that. they compare unit compositions to the ultimate composition and blame lack of such ultimate composition on bad play.
it really felt like he had time to transition into vipers, that's what most detractors here are getting at i believe
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EG-TL started with a strong lead but couldn't seal the deal.
While it's disappointing, I'm certain they'll come back stronger than ever.
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On April 15 2013 22:22 revy wrote:
Flash on quite a slide...
I hope this losing streak of his isn't reflected in GSL later this week. =/.
But I don't think the game today reflects too much of anything except that Flash should stop playing so greedy when he doesn't need to at all.
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Australia54784 Posts
On April 15 2013 22:28 sc2superfan101 wrote:
What if you want EG-TL (or any other team) to lose because it means your team has a better chance of getting into the playoffs?
then i expect you to put down each other team as well, and not just egtl
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On April 15 2013 22:35 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 22:28 sc2superfan101 wrote:
What if you want EG-TL (or any other team) to lose because it means your team has a better chance of getting into the playoffs? then i expect you to put down each other team as well, and not just egtl
Hate everyone or hate no one!
Say no to favoritism!
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On April 15 2013 22:35 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 22:28 sc2superfan101 wrote:
What if you want EG-TL (or any other team) to lose because it means your team has a better chance of getting into the playoffs? then i expect you to put down each other team as well, and not just egtl
That's a good point.
I actually kind of wanted EG-TL to win this, but only because that would have helped T8 more. Otherwise I wanted KT to win because that would give me more fantasy points.
In fact, I guess I usually don't think about it like: "I want this team to lose" as much as I think: "I want the other team to win."
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