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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On April 15 2013 21:40 Proseat wrote: Stats reached a 3-win streak in ace match. Scoring: KT +2 EG-TL +1 HerO +3 Jaedong +2 JYP +3 Wooki +4 Crazy-Hydra +4 Stats +9 all other KT players +1 CH was a good pick up for me this week :D Flash so disappointing, though  | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On April 15 2013 21:37 purakushi wrote: Well, I guess if you want to speak that way, that is just how badly JD the the game ;;. I suppose a better way to put it is that SC2 is just so punishing and rather than the opponent being able to catch up via skill, it takes a blunder (or many) from the other person for them to come back. Basically, there are not enough avenues of skill available for players to come back on their own. You can either say "You catch up by playing better" or "You catch up by playing less bad". It's semantics but basically the same thing. | ||
Olli
Austria24422 Posts
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Shantastic
United States435 Posts
On April 15 2013 21:40 Charlie.Sheen wrote: If Artosis knows it, Jaedong certainly knows that too. He got tricked thinking it's a 2 bases allin, there goes the faster corruptors choice. But even with that combination, he doesn't need to constantly throw 5-10 hydras for basically nothing, he still got plenty of time to tech up. Not really. The gold is far too exposed to play a macro game. In the ~3 minutes it takes to get 2-3 vipers with energy up, the Protoss will put you way back in econ. | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On April 15 2013 21:42 DarkLordOlli wrote: I may be a bad person but I care less about the overall result than HerO winning his game. no. It's not like you have an obligation to be a fan of a team because you like a player on it | ||
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novamarine
Malaysia215 Posts
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mongmong
Korea (South)1389 Posts
On April 15 2013 21:42 DarkLordOlli wrote: I may be a bad person but I care less about the overall result than HerO winning his game. Not really given that starcraft is a 1v1 based game. Youre more likely to become a fan of a player than a team. I was a fan of Reach (a Protoss BW legend) but never cared about the other players on KTF MagicNs (current KT Rolster) | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
very sad loss, think i'm a little disappointed in jd which is hard for me being such a big fan ;/ | ||
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Zheryn
Sweden3653 Posts
On April 15 2013 21:29 Shantastic wrote: Infestation Pit --> Hive/Spire --> Viper build time --> Viper Consume time =/= Spire --> 8 Corruptors. He had the timing to snipe the void rays and overwhelm the army, but he ran his army away, when Void Rays get far better vs Corruptors with scaling numbers. You don't need a spire to build vipers, only hive, hence why you can go for vipers with pretty cheap tech. You'll want an infestation pit and hive in ZvP anyway, and if you get the infestation pit just a bit earlier than you would get the spire otherwise, you'll have almost the same timing, but much stronger and for the same cost/cheaper and with much better tech to continue playing the game without being stuck at a horrible unit composition. | ||
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purakushi
United States3301 Posts
On April 15 2013 21:41 lichter wrote: You can either say "You catch up by playing better" or "You catch up by playing less bad". It's semantics but basically the same thing. There's a difference between the two. Just regarding the ace match, no one is going to say Stats outplayed JD before they say that JD threw the game. It is not that Stats suddenly increased in skill; JD played poorly, hence the throw. I am saying that if JD made the correct decisions and managed his army the best he could after being up for so long, there was little to no way for Stats to come back and win. It took a blunder on the person ahead for that to happen, not any sort of Stats playing better than he had been. I just wish SC2 had more skill-based comeback potential, and some battles were not as game-deciding. EDIT: on computer now, fixed some errors when typed on phone | ||
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Zealgoon
China187 Posts
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to squash some protoss in BW. For vengeace, you see. | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On April 15 2013 21:48 purakushi wrote: There's a difference between the two. Just regarding the ace match, no one is going to say Stats outplayed JD before they say that JD threw the game. It is not that Stats suddenly increased in skill;JD played poorly, hence the throw. I am saying that if JD made the correct decisions and managed his army the best he can after being up for so long, there was no way for Stats to come back and win. It took a blunder on the person ahead for that to happen, not any sort of playing than he had been. EDIT: on computer now, fixed some errors typed on phone. Who was it that said that Starcraft is a game of not making mistakes? You can say JD was ahead and Stats only won because JD blundered. But you can also say JD got ahead because Stats made mistakes. Every game boils down to who makes the least number of mistakes. I am saying this because this is the case for pretty much every single sport and game. The team that doesn't miss, doesn't foul, doesn't concede, doesn't fuck up, wins. Because perfect games are never played. Yes, even BW was about committing the fewest errors. SC2 is a harsh game, I agree, but high stakes games are supposed to be. | ||
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gedatsu
1286 Posts
On April 15 2013 21:28 Miragee wrote: I don't care if it was Jaedong or not because it's sc2. I still think they shouldn't have been forced to switch. -.- They weren't forced to switch. But they did switch, because nobody was going to pay them to play BW anymore. | ||
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FrozenProbe
Italy276 Posts
On April 15 2013 21:51 Zealgoon wrote: Jesus, watching Jaedong playing against protoss is so painful. He sniped the 3rd multiple times, got way ahead in econ, and then lost the game because he forgot that he's not playing WoL. Watching him donating his units senselessly broke my heart so hard. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to squash some protoss in BW. For vengeace, you see. just use vipers, there's no need to play bw to win a zvp | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
Sigh JD would have just needed a few more minutes and better army trades and he would have won it. But Stats noticed asap that JD started to snipe Colossus and pulled them back when they were down on shields, it really optimized the damage on JDs army. So sad. | ||
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purakushi
United States3301 Posts
On April 15 2013 21:55 lichter wrote: Who was it that said that Starcraft is a game of not making mistakes? You can say JD was ahead and Stats only won because JD blundered. But you can also say JD got ahead because Stats made mistakes. Every game boils down to who makes the least number of mistakes. I am saying this because this is the case for pretty much every single sport and game. The team that doesn't miss, doesn't foul, doesn't concede, doesn't fuck up, wins. Because perfect games are never played. Yes, even BW was about committing the fewest errors. SC2 is a harsh game, I agree, but high stakes games are supposed to be. That's true, but some mistakes are much easier to make yet hurt you even more than others. I am just saying it should be more about inching your way to victory, rather than ending the game in one huge fight, for example. Additionally, I just wish SC2 had more avenues of skill. Whether or not you think BW mechanics are good/bad/whatever, in BW, you could come back with mechanics alone even if you made a lousy decision earlier. Things like that. SC2 is more about not making mistakes; BW is about not making mistakes and playing even better whenever you can. BW allows more of that. (yes, I am implying that BW has a higher skillcap) Baseballs and frisbees... Note: I am not necessarily advocating that SC2 should be BW or anything like that, I am just mentioning that aspect of BW. Okay, I should hide now. | ||
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Penev
28528 Posts
On April 15 2013 21:39 fluidin wrote: I duno man. In this assumed context, and since shady has a KT rolster flair, it would be a tad far-fetched to assume that he wants EG-TL to lose every time, and not just today. And don't wut me. That's the same thing, at least for today. Than don't wut yourself. Incredible that I have to explain this but as much as we want ez-tl to lose says more than as much as we want kt to win. You're being naive. | ||
KristofferAG
Norway25712 Posts
All righty. | ||
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Charlie.Sheen
662 Posts
On April 15 2013 22:05 Penev wrote: Than don't wut yourself. Incredible that I have to explain this but says more than as much as we want kt to win. You're being naive. There are plenty of fans just hate certain teams in other professional sports too, such as teams like Lakers, England soccer team etc. If you get too much attention compared to your performance, you bound to be hated more. And I don't think it's a bad thing at all. | ||
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