EPT[SPL] EG-TL vs. KT Rolster R4 - Page 82
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45017 Posts
That second pair is so good hahahaha | ||
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Oukka
Finland1683 Posts
Great games played by everyone, sad to see it turn out like it did. | ||
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Shantastic
United States435 Posts
On April 15 2013 21:22 Liquid`Ret wrote: people on forums don't understand that. they compare unit compositions to the ultimate composition and blame lack of such ultimate composition on bad play. T.T I feel like a derp for forgetting this. | ||
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pellejohnson
United States1931 Posts
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theMagus
578 Posts
rofl | ||
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nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
I think JDs decision to continue producing and deny the third wasnt a bad idea; it almost worked out even though he lost a lot of hydras to colossus. Going back and trying to tech would surely trigger stats to move out and walk all over the middle, sending jaedong back to a 2base economy vs 3. At that point, getting vipers wouldnt have helped much. I think the biggest error was assuming it was a 2base play, forcing him to go corruptor rather than muta or tech to viper. (it looked like he assumed that anyway) | ||
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Goldfish
2230 Posts
On April 15 2013 21:27 Charlie.Sheen wrote: This really looks like Jaedong's glorious days can never come back. He played terrible, throwing units like no tomorrow. Remember in BW, he even babysit every zergling extremely careful. But now, 10 hydras, no problem, take it. He did well enough that the only problem was his lack of his lack of knowledge on unit compositions (which can be fixed easily). Again, both Artosis (Protoss) and Catz (Zerg) both agreed that you should never go spire/corruptors anymore against Protoss (especially if they have a Stargate already) to counter Colossus (you can go corruptors if you already have a spire [from Mutalisk] and need something quick, or if they're going carrier/tempest). Going to Infestation Pit > Hive > Viper is much superior. For the price of 2-3 Vipers (especially if they have no HT at all), you can counter the Colossus much easier than Corruptors (especially if you have a ton of Hydralisk already). It's much safer than investing into Corruptors. Edit - Jaedong had plenty of chance to do this (he was on 4 base against 2 base at one point). Even if he lost his middle gold base (going infestation pit [50 seconds] to hive [100 seconds] is only 50 seconds slower than a spire [100 seconds]), he still had way more supply (he could have sacked the third). Even then, it didn't seem likely that going for Vipers would have cost him the middle base (Protoss had only a few units until the very end). On the bright side, Jaedong played really well. I just hope he learns the new unit compositions to use in HotS. | ||
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shadymmj
1906 Posts
But if such a battle was doable in WoL, assuming a larger army for the zerg, it is even harder in HotS due to the VRs melting corruptors. However if the Zerg can get Vipers then suddenly they counter the protoss so hard it's not funny. There is literally nothing you can do against vipers without HTs. | ||
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Shantastic
United States435 Posts
On April 15 2013 21:34 nkr wrote: Looked like to me that he thought stats was going for a 2base colossus allin. He got corruptors but instead stats goes for a 12min third. JD sits with a roach hydra corruptor army that gets worse for every second that passes and an extremely exposed third about a stonethrow away from stats. I think JDs decision to continue producing and deny the third wasnt a bad idea; it almost worked out even though he lost a lot of hydras to colossus. Going back and trying to tech would surely trigger stats to move out and walk all over the middle, sending jaedong back to a 2base economy vs 3. At that point, getting vipers wouldnt have helped much. I think the biggest error was assuming it was a 2base play, forcing him to go corruptor rather than muta or tech to viper. (it looked like he assumed that anyway) mYinsanity dropping da knowledge bombs | ||
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Wintex
Norway16838 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
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purakushi
United States3300 Posts
On April 15 2013 21:28 DidYuhim wrote: If the game was "snowbally" then JD would've won 10 times over. Well, I guess if you want to speak that way, that is just how badly JD the the game ;;. I suppose a better way to put it is that SC2 is just so punishing and rather than the opponent being able to catch up via skill, it takes a blunder (or many) from the other person for them to come back. Basically, there are not enough avenues of skill available for players to come back on their own. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
even assuming jaedong's strategic decisions were correct, he kept throwing army units away needlessly | ||
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fluidin
Singapore1084 Posts
I duno man. In this assumed context, and since shady has a KT rolster flair, it would be a tad far-fetched to assume that he wants EG-TL to lose every time, and not just today. And don't wut me. That's the same thing, at least for today. | ||
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GunSec
1095 Posts
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Proseat
Germany5113 Posts
Scoring: KT +2 EG-TL +1 HerO +3 Jaedong +2 JYP +3 Wooki +4 Crazy-Hydra +4 Stats +9 all other KT players +1 | ||
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Shantastic
United States435 Posts
On April 15 2013 21:38 Grumbels wrote: even assuming jaedong's strategic decisions were correct, he kept throwing army units away needlessly More that an early snap decision not to engage led to a later situation where his composition was obsolete. | ||
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Charlie.Sheen
662 Posts
On April 15 2013 21:34 Goldfish wrote: He did well enough that the only problem was his lack of his lack of knowledge on unit compositions (which can be fixed easily). Again, both Artosis (Protoss) and Catz (Zerg) both agreed that you should never go spire/corruptors anymore against Protoss (especially if they have a Stargate already) to counter Colossus (you can go corruptors if you already have a spire [from Mutalisk] and need something quick, or if they're going carrier/tempest). Going to Infestation Pit > Hive > Viper is much superior. For the price of 2-3 Vipers (especially if they have no HT at all), you can counter the Colossus much easier than Corruptors (especially if you have a ton of Hydralisk already). It's much safer than investing into Corruptors. If Artosis knows it, Jaedong certainly knows that too. He got tricked thinking it's a 2 bases allin, there goes the faster corruptors choice. But even with that combination, he doesn't need to constantly throw 5-10 hydras for basically nothing, he still got plenty of time to tech up. | ||
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