EPTHe's working on his application to be the new gatekeeper
[Code S] RO32 Group A 2013 GSL Season 2 - Page 152
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
He's working on his application to be the new gatekeeper | ||
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Wintex
Norway16838 Posts
On April 04 2013 23:30 Shellshock1122 wrote: He's working on his application to be the new gatekeeper No...  He's a winner... this time for sure!ZooZoo Bubble is so good. | ||
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xluik
201 Posts
On April 04 2013 23:12 gideel wrote: People are complaining cuz they think Creator failed an all-in and QQ'd imbalance when it was obvious he was forced to do so given the circumstances. If you understand the game you wouldn't be saying such a thing. Creator also has a point. If T goes cc first what can the protoss to that is a instant build order win if he/she has good micro? A proxy zealot rush which nobody does and if you fail instantly lose? if terran cc first and you do a nani expand, your mothership core plus zealot will have the onus of doing damage.... | ||
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n2o
55 Posts
congrats to RorO and Bomber, but Creator | ||
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Ctesias
4595 Posts
On April 02 2013 17:17 Ctesias wrote: Voted for Roro and Bomber in both polls. So happy to finally have Code S back. ... and couldn't be happier about the results, either.  | ||
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Wingblade
United States1806 Posts
On April 04 2013 23:45 xluik wrote: if terran cc first and you do a nani expand, your mothership core plus zealot will have the onus of doing damage.... And I don't see how Terran can get enough marines out in time to hold a quick oracle opening off 1 base. Especially if you poke at the front with gateway units at the same time. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On April 04 2013 23:27 gideel wrote: So we are talking about a tech build vs a cc open which doesnt even guarantee a win unless you do massive eco damage when a terran vs toss nexus first can just build a single unit from a barracks tier 1 and claim a build order win? I don't think you know what a build order win is, else explain why Creator won the Whirlwind game in which he lost 5 probes to Reaper harass while he lost the Daybreak game in which he lost 6 probes? Or maybe the build order loss starts at the sixth probe kill and we should call this bizarre phenomenon the Gideel's Law? | ||
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samurai80
Japan4225 Posts
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Wingblade
United States1806 Posts
On April 04 2013 23:12 gideel wrote: People are complaining cuz they think Creator failed an all-in and QQ'd imbalance when it was obvious he was forced to do so given the circumstances. If you understand the game you wouldn't be saying such a thing. Creator also has a point. If T goes cc first what can the protoss to that is a instant build order win if he/she has good micro? A proxy zealot rush which nobody does and if you fail instantly lose? Yea, I don't think you understand how much has to be done from a Terran standpoint to equalize the economy disadvantage you undertake when you go reaper against a nexus first. Remember, a completely standard 1 rax CC was considered essentially even with a 1 gate expand from Protoss, and that was when Terran's CC was done significantly before the nexus. Now you are in a situation where the Nexus finishes extremely far ahead of the Terran CC at that point in the game. 3 to 4 probe kills and delayed mining time only puts Terran slightly ahead, if ahead at all when you really consider it. | ||
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dynwar7
1983 Posts
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On April 05 2013 00:06 samurai80 wrote: Well Bomber played well but he was able to win with the same strata every time. ? Only half of his 2 or 3-bases all-ins were succesful. He won the two other games because Creator failed his all-ins. | ||
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Killmouse
Austria5700 Posts
On April 04 2013 23:12 gideel wrote: People are complaining cuz they think Creator failed an all-in and QQ'd imbalance when it was obvious he was forced to do so given the circumstances. If you understand the game you wouldn't be saying such a thing. Creator also has a point. If T goes cc first what can the protoss to that is a instant build order win if he/she has good micro? A proxy zealot rush which nobody does and if you fail instantly lose? seems like you have no clue about this game either, cc first is easy punishable with msc | ||
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
On April 04 2013 23:27 gideel wrote: So we are talking about a tech build vs a cc open which doesnt even guarantee a win unless you do massive eco damage when a terran vs toss nexus first can just build a single unit from a barracks tier 1 and claim a build order win? 2 Gate pressure gets shut down by a single bunker by the way... Not justifying balance whine but people need to understand at the heat of the moment why creator said what he did. MSC/gateway pressure is an autowin against CC First. Can't imagine how this should be held. You just can't go CC/Nexus first anymore against Terran/Protoss with MSC and Reapers around. I expected Creator to know that though -_- | ||
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samurai80
Japan4225 Posts
On April 05 2013 00:02 TheDwf wrote: I don't think you know what a build order win is, else explain why Creator won the Whirlwind game in which he lost 5 probes to Reaper harass while he lost the Daybreak game in which he lost 6 probes? Or maybe the build order loss starts at the sixth probe kill and we should call this bizarre phenomenon the Gideel's Law? Because Creator is good enough to win after loosing 5 probes in the early game sometimes but obviously not every time? To be honest this reaper really showed how good the unit cabn be. Of course Bomber control was perfect so I don't say it's OP for now but the balance involved in this needs to be carefully checked in the future. Such a cheap, low tech unit for great scouting and pretty good harass ability is a bit suspicious to say the least. | ||
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FortuneSyn
1826 Posts
http://www.twitch.tv/wcs_gsl/b/386405377 | ||
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Zeon0
Austria2995 Posts
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Wingblade
United States1806 Posts
On April 05 2013 00:13 TheDwf wrote: ? Only half of his 2 or 3-bases all-ins were succesful. He won the two other games because Creator failed his all-ins. He might be referring to the fact that five of his games he opened with a reaper into CC into reactor barracks. Which IMO looked like an incredibly perfect build. Optimal scouting ability, able to punish greed, quick CC and more marines to defend afterwards. I was loving the opening, and he should do it over and over 1,000 times if that's what it takes. | ||
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garlicface
Canada4196 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26255 Posts
Happy to see Creator lose, probably the epitome of a deathballing player in PvT and PvZ, don't get why so many people are fans of his playstyle. Very skillful player and tactically intelligent, but give me MC and his crisp timings or Parting's sexy PvT any day. | ||
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xluik
201 Posts
On April 05 2013 00:25 Wingblade wrote: He might be referring to the fact that five of his games he opened with a reaper into CC into reactor barracks. Which IMO looked like an incredibly perfect build. Optimal scouting ability, able to punish greed, quick CC and more marines to defend afterwards. I was loving the opening, and he should do it over and over 1,000 times if that's what it takes. He went like reaper opening to reactor + 2 rax with tech lab and +1 rushing stim and slowly getting to his medivacs just to achieve his stim + medivacs (and the fact he wasn't even that aggressive with early drops in those games makes it very funny). I can see why creator chose to pressure/all-in and with seeing it defending it, it seemed like a pretty safe build. | ||
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