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Proseat
Germany5113 Posts
April 04 2013 18:03 GMT
#3061
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
April 04 2013 18:28 GMT
#3062
I'm watching the vods and bomber does not disappoint on disappointments | ||
Rollora
2450 Posts
April 04 2013 18:29 GMT
#3063
On April 04 2013 23:27 gideel wrote: Show nested quote + On April 04 2013 23:22 Rollora wrote: On April 04 2013 23:12 gideel wrote: On April 04 2013 22:51 Wintex wrote: On April 04 2013 22:49 gideel wrote: Do any of you even play this game? Protoss simply cannot nexus first vs terran right now if terran goes for a single reaper which almost everyone does right now. Terran simply gains a huge advantage if the T is competent at micro vs probes/zealot/sentry After the eco damage bomber did, there was no other choice but to go for a gateway timing to at least contain terran. If you go stargate / robo, you instantly get killed by bombers stim medivac timing either from a full frontal attack or a split + drops depending on the sentry composition. Creator played near the best to his ability in that situation and it was clear there was still a huge gap in supply that was impossible to beat (bomber knew that WAY beforehand thus the lackluster MMM micro + fancy drop-play and CC + mule drops) If you don't adapt to the strategy and metagame, you shouldn't QQ. Nexus first is extremely greedy. People are complaining cuz they think Creator failed an all-in and QQ'd imbalance when it was obvious he was forced to do so given the circumstances. If you understand the game you wouldn't be saying such a thing. Creator also has a point. If T goes cc first what can the protoss to that is a instant build order win if he/she has good micro? A proxy zealot rush which nobody does and if you fail instantly lose? heard oracles are pretty good ![]() And some 2 gate pressure or something with a robo. as always. HotS didn't kill possibilities for Toss, they have increased. Do whatever worked in WoL and add some Hot Stuff So we are talking about a tech build vs a cc open which doesnt even guarantee a win unless you do massive eco damage when a terran vs toss nexus first can just build a single unit from a barracks tier 1 and claim a build order win? 2 Gate pressure gets shut down by a single bunker by the way... Not justifying balance whine but people need to understand at the heat of the moment why creator said what he did. well so what? yes we are talking about a build to harass compared to a eco build. What's the problem about it. That is even possible in mirror matchups: Like in TvT CC first vs early banshee harassement. Ofc you got to do damage, thats the point behind it. Bomber made a (what u call) tech build or at least much slower expansion cause un need to have a rax and gas first to make a reaper. Nexus first compared to that, is just greedy and SHOULD be punished. If the player is not punished he is in front, harassement is there to make it even or get in front. Complaining that CC/Nexus/whatever first into allin doesn't work vs a harassement based build is not complaining about balance it is just stupid and shows a huge inability to reflect about build order, decision making and ofc also not having adapted to HotS yet. Still the question remains why Nexus first AGAIN vs an Opponent who does the same build over and over again and you have time to think what would be the counter to it... | ||
Fuzer
Finland266 Posts
April 04 2013 18:33 GMT
#3064
On April 04 2013 21:51 gingerfluffmuff wrote: Show nested quote + On April 04 2013 21:49 rothsbury wrote: Before people say the balance is broken, that was one game, and crazy didn't even play that well. And fwiw, catz thinks zerg beats that composition: https://twitter.com/ROOTCatZ I think we should wait what CombatEX, Fuzer and avilo have to say to that game first to determine if something is broken or not. What does my name do on that list ~~ | ||
Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
April 04 2013 18:34 GMT
#3065
On April 05 2013 03:28 neoghaleon55 wrote: wow I'm watching the vods and bomber does not disappoint on disappointments keep watching ![]() | ||
waylander_
United States82 Posts
April 04 2013 19:20 GMT
#3066
Bad start to Code S. | ||
Avs
Korea (North)857 Posts
April 04 2013 19:33 GMT
#3067
On April 05 2013 03:03 Proseat wrote: You need to either subscribe to the new Twitch channel for a monthly fee (~$20) or get a ticket from gomtv.net (has autoplay, better sorted, Korean VODs, mobile support) to be able to watch the VODs. Tickets do not carry over from either side. https://secure.twitch.tv/products/wcs_gsl/ticket/new http://www.gomtv.net/ticket/index.gom Does anyone know if they do a rebroadcast for everyone like before? | ||
Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
April 04 2013 19:36 GMT
#3068
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samurai80
Japan4225 Posts
April 04 2013 19:41 GMT
#3069
On April 05 2013 01:27 TheDwf wrote: Show nested quote + On April 05 2013 00:17 samurai80 wrote: On April 05 2013 00:02 TheDwf wrote: On April 04 2013 23:27 gideel wrote: So we are talking about a tech build vs a cc open which doesnt even guarantee a win unless you do massive eco damage when a terran vs toss nexus first can just build a single unit from a barracks tier 1 and claim a build order win? I don't think you know what a build order win is, else explain why Creator won the Whirlwind game in which he lost 5 probes to Reaper harass while he lost the Daybreak game in which he lost 6 probes? Or maybe the build order loss starts at the sixth probe kill and we should call this bizarre phenomenon the Gideel's Law? Because Creator is good enough to win after loosing 5 probes in the early game sometimes but obviously not every time? To be honest this reaper really showed how good the unit cabn be. Of course Bomber control was perfect so I don't say it's OP for now but the balance involved in this needs to be carefully checked in the future. Such a cheap, low tech unit for great scouting and pretty good harass ability is a bit suspicious to say the least. I can't believe you're seriously saying the Reaper might need a tweak based on a Nexus first losing Probes at the start of the game. If you don't want to lose Probes because you have no Zealot to chase him you can just not go Nexus first... I just say it's so cheap you can go for a very fast cc with great eco, and protoss doesn't really have such a tool to do the same with low tech to the terran. Now I know race balance is asymmetric, but still reaper with no lab tech looks pretty awesome. | ||
EpiK
Korea (South)5757 Posts
April 04 2013 19:44 GMT
#3070
On April 05 2013 03:28 neoghaleon55 wrote: wow I'm watching the vods and bomber does not disappoint on disappointments eh, he makes up for it in the final match | ||
garrett345
Czech Republic12 Posts
April 04 2013 20:04 GMT
#3071
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Avs
Korea (North)857 Posts
April 04 2013 20:09 GMT
#3072
On April 05 2013 05:04 garrett345 wrote: Does anyone know whether there will be rebroadcast today? I hope so. All I see is ESL and MLG releasing their VODs for free just like Riot does for their WCS/LCS series. Meanwhile GSL and twitch both require some sort of subscription. There are reports that twitch charges 20 bucks a month for their vods. GSL on the otherhand charges 20 bucks per season. I thought the idea was to make Starcraft more popular. | ||
Emzeeshady
Canada4203 Posts
April 04 2013 20:38 GMT
#3073
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Killmouse
Austria5700 Posts
April 04 2013 20:46 GMT
#3074
On April 05 2013 05:09 Avs wrote: Show nested quote + On April 05 2013 05:04 garrett345 wrote: Does anyone know whether there will be rebroadcast today? I hope so. All I see is ESL and MLG releasing their VODs for free just like Riot does for their WCS/LCS series. Meanwhile GSL and twitch both require some sort of subscription. There are reports that twitch charges 20 bucks a month for their vods. GSL on the otherhand charges 20 bucks per season. I thought the idea was to make Starcraft more popular. vods were never free in gsl... just a business model, companys are income driven, cant give everything for free else they ll go bankrupt , be happy about free 720 in gsl | ||
askmc70
United States722 Posts
April 04 2013 20:55 GMT
#3075
On April 05 2013 05:46 Killmouse wrote: Show nested quote + On April 05 2013 05:09 Avs wrote: On April 05 2013 05:04 garrett345 wrote: Does anyone know whether there will be rebroadcast today? I hope so. All I see is ESL and MLG releasing their VODs for free just like Riot does for their WCS/LCS series. Meanwhile GSL and twitch both require some sort of subscription. There are reports that twitch charges 20 bucks a month for their vods. GSL on the otherhand charges 20 bucks per season. I thought the idea was to make Starcraft more popular. vods were never free in gsl... just a business model, companys are income driven, cant give everything for free else they ll go bankrupt , be happy about free 720 in gsl you cant enjoy 720 while being up at 5 or 4 in the morning | ||
garrett345
Czech Republic12 Posts
April 04 2013 21:04 GMT
#3076
On April 05 2013 05:46 Killmouse wrote: Show nested quote + On April 05 2013 05:09 Avs wrote: On April 05 2013 05:04 garrett345 wrote: Does anyone know whether there will be rebroadcast today? I hope so. All I see is ESL and MLG releasing their VODs for free just like Riot does for their WCS/LCS series. Meanwhile GSL and twitch both require some sort of subscription. There are reports that twitch charges 20 bucks a month for their vods. GSL on the otherhand charges 20 bucks per season. I thought the idea was to make Starcraft more popular. vods were never free in gsl... just a business model, companys are income driven, cant give everything for free else they ll go bankrupt , be happy about free 720 in gsl But having free 720p is irrelevant if it is broadcasted at 11am eu time and 5am us time. It is one step forward, two steps back in this regard. They are idiots, there are so many people who watch starcraft on youtube (husky etc.) and most of them have no idea there is gsl. | ||
jeeneeus
1168 Posts
April 04 2013 21:23 GMT
#3077
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
April 04 2013 21:30 GMT
#3078
On April 05 2013 04:41 samurai80 wrote: Show nested quote + On April 05 2013 01:27 TheDwf wrote: On April 05 2013 00:17 samurai80 wrote: On April 05 2013 00:02 TheDwf wrote: On April 04 2013 23:27 gideel wrote: So we are talking about a tech build vs a cc open which doesnt even guarantee a win unless you do massive eco damage when a terran vs toss nexus first can just build a single unit from a barracks tier 1 and claim a build order win? I don't think you know what a build order win is, else explain why Creator won the Whirlwind game in which he lost 5 probes to Reaper harass while he lost the Daybreak game in which he lost 6 probes? Or maybe the build order loss starts at the sixth probe kill and we should call this bizarre phenomenon the Gideel's Law? Because Creator is good enough to win after loosing 5 probes in the early game sometimes but obviously not every time? To be honest this reaper really showed how good the unit cabn be. Of course Bomber control was perfect so I don't say it's OP for now but the balance involved in this needs to be carefully checked in the future. Such a cheap, low tech unit for great scouting and pretty good harass ability is a bit suspicious to say the least. I can't believe you're seriously saying the Reaper might need a tweak based on a Nexus first losing Probes at the start of the game. If you don't want to lose Probes because you have no Zealot to chase him you can just not go Nexus first... I just say it's so cheap you can go for a very fast cc with great eco, and protoss doesn't really have such a tool to do the same with low tech to the terran. Now I know race balance is asymmetric, but still reaper with no lab tech looks pretty awesome. Reaper w/out tech lab is 25 seconds slower than reaper w/ techlab--what was the big change on the toss end? Specifically, what unit is toss only 25 seconds away from that has changed this build so much? | ||
Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
April 04 2013 21:30 GMT
#3079
On April 05 2013 06:23 jeeneeus wrote: I missed the games, can someone tell me why Bomber kills his own cc? to become 2013's MMA | ||
GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
April 04 2013 21:32 GMT
#3080
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