On March 08 2013 00:51 Big J wrote:
Zerg has less freedom which is bad and it also shows.
Zerg has less freedom which is bad and it also shows.
Not being able to go 3 base 70 drones behind pure queen and a handful of lings is bad? I beg to differ.
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
March 07 2013 15:53 GMT
#2541
On March 08 2013 00:51 Big J wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2013 00:50 Leetley wrote: On March 08 2013 00:48 SiroKO wrote: Zerg players seem to be unaccustomed to lose that badly. This says more about WoL balance than HoTS imo. Terrans have more freedom which is great and it also shows. Zerg has less freedom which is bad and it also shows. Not being able to go 3 base 70 drones behind pure queen and a handful of lings is bad? I beg to differ. | ||
Heartland
Sweden24578 Posts
March 07 2013 15:53 GMT
#2542
On March 08 2013 00:53 DOUDOU wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2013 00:49 suicideyear wrote: On March 08 2013 00:47 Ryps wrote: On March 08 2013 00:46 sitromit wrote: EGStephano @EGStephanoRC I am totally lost against Terran. Impossible to attack with tanks and mines. Impossible to leave your base with Medivacs. David Kim, undo something ! hah give broodlords afterburners! give banelings afterbruners! Give every unit in the game afterburners! | ||
-Kaiser-
Canada932 Posts
March 07 2013 15:53 GMT
#2543
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Swordland
232 Posts
March 07 2013 15:53 GMT
#2544
On March 08 2013 00:52 FakeDeath wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2013 00:51 Swordland wrote: Could someone please tell me what MVP did to 2-0 stephano? mech/bio, etc.? Pure bio first game. Pure bio mixed with mines second game. Wow....sounds so nice.... Sorry if asking too much...but could someone go into more details here? I love playing pure bio in tvz....like, what unit composition did stephano have? Why did he lose, was it because of drops? How did MVP utilize mines? | ||
imre
France9263 Posts
March 07 2013 15:53 GMT
#2545
On March 08 2013 00:52 eXeZerg wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2013 00:47 TheDwf wrote: On March 08 2013 00:45 eXeZerg wrote: On March 08 2013 00:39 m0ck wrote: Simply removing automatic siege-mode for terran would help a lot with making terran vulnerable after making big head-on attacks like the hellion-attack. This... Terran is simply too safe after carelessly losing reapers/hellions with their free siege more and widow mines. I love it that terran can put some pressure on early game again, but zerg should be able to counter pressure Killing 19 Drones = "carelessly losing Reapers/Hellions" ? Those were a lot of units Mvp sacked to do that, in cost at least just as much as 19 drones. Since he lost all those units and Stephano made so much roaches he should be at least do a bit of damage back, because Mvp can do that pressure and still go for greedy 3 cc's and double ups early. But 4 mines and a siege tank hold of 15 roaches quite easy. In WoL mvp would have had to lift his nat to hold that probably he got 11scv. he was just too far behind for it to be enough. | ||
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ZeromuS
Canada13379 Posts
March 07 2013 15:53 GMT
#2546
On March 08 2013 00:39 Spitmode wrote: haha qxc with dem bandanaz! ![]() I love seeing kamehameha pics. It means I can post my Gif from way back XD ![]() | ||
Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
March 07 2013 15:53 GMT
#2547
On March 08 2013 00:51 monkybone wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2013 00:49 Lysanias wrote: On March 08 2013 00:46 Leetley wrote: On March 08 2013 00:42 Heartland wrote: On March 08 2013 00:41 Type|NarutO wrote: On March 08 2013 00:40 Leetley wrote: On March 08 2013 00:39 m0ck wrote: Simply removing automatic siege-mode for terran would help a lot with making terran vulnerable after making big head-on attacks like the hellion-attack. Yup, I think they need to re-add the siege research. I really don't think the tank needed that buff to begin with :x I mean, why? And I'm Terran. To hold off early Zerg roach attacks I think is the reasoning. Good luck to all the zergs trying to punish terran when they have mines in place AND sieged tanks behind all their depots and whatnot. New standard will be 3x orbital in the early game i think, zerg will have real trouble punishing Terran greed now. Terran has been unable to punish Zerg greed for almost a year now in WoL. And guess what, Zergs will get better at defending as time goes on. The game is not even released yet. Zerg will have to come up with something new to punish terran greed now, not just mass up one unit, attack and expect GG. During the 1/1/1 all in period v P Terran at least had to do some work for their win. They didn't really you know better then that, 1/1/1 could be played well on lower league's aswell. Take of those pink glasses please. | ||
Leetley
1796 Posts
March 07 2013 15:53 GMT
#2548
On March 08 2013 00:51 Big J wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2013 00:50 Leetley wrote: On March 08 2013 00:48 SiroKO wrote: Zerg players seem to be unaccustomed to lose that badly. This says more about WoL balance than HoTS imo. Terrans have more freedom which is great and it also shows. Zerg has less freedom which is bad and it also shows. I'm just seeing zergs not responding well enough to terran aggression and that shows too. | ||
gillon
Sweden1578 Posts
March 07 2013 15:53 GMT
#2549
HotS can't come a day too fast. | ||
DarkPlasmaBall
United States43767 Posts
March 07 2013 15:54 GMT
#2550
On March 08 2013 00:53 DOUDOU wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2013 00:49 suicideyear wrote: On March 08 2013 00:47 Ryps wrote: On March 08 2013 00:46 sitromit wrote: EGStephano @EGStephanoRC I am totally lost against Terran. Impossible to attack with tanks and mines. Impossible to leave your base with Medivacs. David Kim, undo something ! hah give broodlords afterburners! give banelings afterbruners! give queens atfrebnrures! | ||
Big J
Austria16289 Posts
March 07 2013 15:54 GMT
#2551
On March 08 2013 00:52 Qikz wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2013 00:51 Big J wrote: On March 08 2013 00:50 Leetley wrote: On March 08 2013 00:48 SiroKO wrote: Zerg players seem to be unaccustomed to lose that badly. This says more about WoL balance than HoTS imo. Terrans have more freedom which is great and it also shows. Zerg has less freedom which is bad and it also shows. I wouldn't call sitting on 3 bases with 100 drones and no units a good amount of freedom to have for the game. They've got plenty of freedom, they've just got to stop being so damn greedy and build base defenses or get lair tech for hydras quicker. Yeah, just as much as Terran in WoL ![]() | ||
Lunareste
United States3596 Posts
March 07 2013 15:54 GMT
#2552
He's basically been talking all day about how he hasn't really practiced HOTS, and then complains about how he doesn't know how to handle the new Terran when the player he lost to is motherfucking IMMvp, the single greatest player in SC2 history, who has has months and months to focus on HOTS because he was knocked out of the GSL. Is Stephano supposed to be competitive with Mvp in this case in the mind of his fans? I'll answer for you: he isn't. | ||
Hylirion
Netherlands968 Posts
March 07 2013 15:54 GMT
#2553
On March 08 2013 00:52 eXeZerg wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2013 00:47 TheDwf wrote: On March 08 2013 00:45 eXeZerg wrote: On March 08 2013 00:39 m0ck wrote: Simply removing automatic siege-mode for terran would help a lot with making terran vulnerable after making big head-on attacks like the hellion-attack. This... Terran is simply too safe after carelessly losing reapers/hellions with their free siege more and widow mines. I love it that terran can put some pressure on early game again, but zerg should be able to counter pressure Killing 19 Drones = "carelessly losing Reapers/Hellions" ? Those were a lot of units Mvp sacked to do that, in cost at least just as much as 19 drones. Since he lost all those units and Stephano made so much roaches he should be at least do a bit of damage back, because Mvp can do that pressure and still go for greedy 3 cc's and double ups early. But 4 mines and a siege tank hold of 15 roaches quite easy. In WoL mvp would have had to lift his nat to hold that probably MvP lost like 11-12 scv's in that counterattack... he had too pull a lot of them to hold it... | ||
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
March 07 2013 15:54 GMT
#2554
On March 08 2013 00:54 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2013 00:53 DOUDOU wrote: On March 08 2013 00:49 suicideyear wrote: On March 08 2013 00:47 Ryps wrote: On March 08 2013 00:46 sitromit wrote: EGStephano @EGStephanoRC I am totally lost against Terran. Impossible to attack with tanks and mines. Impossible to leave your base with Medivacs. David Kim, undo something ! hah give broodlords afterburners! give banelings afterbruners! give queens atfrebnrures! Nothing beats tanks with blink My brightest idea ever, lol. | ||
Warpish
834 Posts
March 07 2013 15:54 GMT
#2555
On March 08 2013 00:53 DOUDOU wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2013 00:49 suicideyear wrote: On March 08 2013 00:47 Ryps wrote: On March 08 2013 00:46 sitromit wrote: EGStephano @EGStephanoRC I am totally lost against Terran. Impossible to attack with tanks and mines. Impossible to leave your base with Medivacs. David Kim, undo something ! hah give broodlords afterburners! give banelings afterbruners! give hidralisks blue flame... | ||
FakeDeath
Malaysia6060 Posts
March 07 2013 15:54 GMT
#2556
On March 08 2013 00:52 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2013 00:48 Caletor wrote: On March 08 2013 00:47 Tsubbi wrote: On March 08 2013 00:46 Fjodorov wrote: Here we go again, Mvp nerfing terran all by himself. not really lol, top10 gm in hots beta was like 7 terrans and every pro knows that changes are needed for zvt even all pros in every interview say zerg is the weakest and terran the strongest. I dont see how anyone can deny it either... I think it's entirely to early to really say anything yet. Zergs are still so used to the ez mode they had in WoL to be brutally honest. Give the top zergs some more time to work with the new units and changes. If in 1-2 months after release Zerg are getting stomped out, then call imba. Players whining about balance and crying for blizzard to nerf/buff to early/quickly is what led WoL to it's troubles near the end. Give time for players to figure shit out and learn how to actually counter things before saying which race is weak and which isn't. Agreed. We just have to wait for the first HotS GSL season. Where top players Life,DRG,Leenock,Curious,Symbol will play the game. If they do get stomped, then we can start debating but now it's still too early. | ||
WombaT
Northern Ireland23765 Posts
March 07 2013 15:54 GMT
#2557
Let the game SETTLE please. The end of WoL was ruined for me and many others because Zergs got patches/favourable map pools to fix the 'broken' race when they could have figured it out given a bit of time. | ||
suicideyear
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
March 07 2013 15:55 GMT
#2558
On March 08 2013 00:54 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2013 00:53 DOUDOU wrote: On March 08 2013 00:49 suicideyear wrote: On March 08 2013 00:47 Ryps wrote: On March 08 2013 00:46 sitromit wrote: EGStephano @EGStephanoRC I am totally lost against Terran. Impossible to attack with tanks and mines. Impossible to leave your base with Medivacs. David Kim, undo something ! hah give broodlords afterburners! give banelings afterbruners! give queens atfrebnrures! give spinecrawlers afbtebrfd;df;asdkds;d;f okay, i'm good. | ||
TheDwf
France19747 Posts
March 07 2013 15:55 GMT
#2559
On March 08 2013 00:52 eXeZerg wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2013 00:47 TheDwf wrote: On March 08 2013 00:45 eXeZerg wrote: On March 08 2013 00:39 m0ck wrote: Simply removing automatic siege-mode for terran would help a lot with making terran vulnerable after making big head-on attacks like the hellion-attack. This... Terran is simply too safe after carelessly losing reapers/hellions with their free siege more and widow mines. I love it that terran can put some pressure on early game again, but zerg should be able to counter pressure Killing 19 Drones = "carelessly losing Reapers/Hellions" ? Those were a lot of units Mvp sacked to do that, in cost at least just as much as 19 drones. Since he lost all those units and Stephano made so much roaches he should be at least do a bit of damage back, because Mvp can do that pressure and still go for greedy 3 cc's and double ups early. But 4 mines and a siege tank hold of 15 roaches quite easy. In WoL mvp would have had to lift his nat to hold that probably Mvp was already ahead because Stephano went 15h/16p despite seeing gas and no rax inbase. He killed 10 SCVs with his Roach attack, is this not "a bit of damage back"? And why don't you blame Stephano for suiciding his Overseer on mines? | ||
gingerfluffmuff
Austria4570 Posts
March 07 2013 15:55 GMT
#2560
On March 08 2013 00:52 Elairec wrote: Why all the grubby hate =\ Cause he takes the spots away from (potential) good players. | ||
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