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Northern Ireland24931 Posts
On March 08 2013 02:56 Destructicon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 02:22 Wombat_NI wrote:
I don't see why Stephano is screwed necessarily vs Parting, although granted I am not sure how much HoTS Parting has been playing
Parting isn't THAT good at PvZ, at all, his mastery of the immortal-sentry allin really covered that up for a while. Stephano is historically a better ZvPers than Parting is a PvZer.
There's a lot of familiarity with the HoTs game to be considered, and changes to the game in general, but should be interesting none the less Slow down there, PartinG's ZvP has actually become the stuff of nightmares for zerg, yes he got a lot of wins on the back of the immortal sentry, but that doesn't make him a 1 trick pony, he was just using what he found was good and what he knew would work at the time because no one had a clue how to beat it. He has shown that he is a complete player via his stellar run in the Blizzcup, displaying many, many macro builds and 3-base timings, he also had a respectably good run in in GSL Code S until he ran into Curious. Don't let the 0-3 to Curious fool you, that was more a result of Curios being a former team mate of PartinG and completely dissecting his builds and using them against him. I'm guessing you haven't seen much of those games. Also from the games of PartinG I've seen so far at IEM, I'd say he has enough of an understanding of it that he can defeat Stephano + his mechanics and multi-tasking are just ferocious.
I see Parting as not being 'bad' at PvZ, but just like the 1/1/1 TvP era having an allin that requires close to perfect responses to stop, it just throws everything into flux. The fear of the allin allows Parting to do something greedy sometimes and get away with it. I find it somewhat sad that guys with 'genuinely' good PvZ over long periods never got the same results as Parting did in his monster run abusing a dumb allin/the fear of a dumb allin. I play Protoss and Parting is one of my favourite players, but his PvZ is stupidly overhyped.
This isn't bashing Parting, his PvT is often a thing of beauty and a genuinely very strong matchup and his PvP is pretty solid.
Really looking forward to seeing what happens regardless though.
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Yes MVP owning it up.
Again, remember like Artosis said, MVP showed that Terran could still win when no one else was winning (during Zerg and Protoss domination in mid-late 2012).
MVP first SC2 bonjwa plz.
Really though, I hope he manages to get to Code A, then Code S for GSL.
MAYBE GOMTV WILL GIVE A SEED TO THE CHAMPION OF IEM?"
AND MAYBE MVP WILL BE THAT CHAMPION?
MAYBE HE WILL FINALLY GET HIS GSL 5 WINS TROPHY!!!!!111
Seriously though, MVP is probably the only real consistent top (as in like top 3 players for most of WoL's life) in WoL and that really deserves recognition (I mean, I hope he doesn't become like a forgotten champion of WoL). I hope he manages to get his 5th GSL win before his health gets to him.
For whatever reason, it's hard to be at top in SC2 (as shown by the lack of any real consistent top 3 player, minus MVP himself). MVP manages to break the skill ceiling (and expand the *skill room) and rise above the limitations of SC2 to own it up.
*I say BW's biggest strength over SC2 is the fact that are so many ways to win or be good at BW (in this case, instead of "skill ceiling" the "skill room" is bigger in BW, I don't know if that's the right term to use though). If you only knew how to micro mutalisks (as much as Artosis apparently disliked such players), you could still win and be good at the game.
(Really, I miss dancing Wraith and Mutalisks. Fantasy's game against Flash in the last BW OSL was epic, when Fantasy busting out Wraith micro and making them move all over the place like interceptors except "manually controlled!".)
But yeah, MVP is so good that he can overcome the limitations of SC2. I have to thank Artosis. He knows how to hype up players. His comment about MVP being one of the few players to show that Terran can still win almost brought a tear to my eye >.>. When Rain seemed unstoppable, MVP stopped him (of course he didn't manage to stop the also nearly unstoppable Life, but MVP was still really close in that 3-4 GSL finals). Artosis funny story about how even if MVP could only play with one hand (because he was walking with his hands in a minefield, to show to Nestea of course), he would still somehow be winning and owning it up.
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On March 08 2013 11:11 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 02:56 Destructicon wrote:On March 08 2013 02:22 Wombat_NI wrote:
I don't see why Stephano is screwed necessarily vs Parting, although granted I am not sure how much HoTS Parting has been playing
Parting isn't THAT good at PvZ, at all, his mastery of the immortal-sentry allin really covered that up for a while. Stephano is historically a better ZvPers than Parting is a PvZer.
There's a lot of familiarity with the HoTs game to be considered, and changes to the game in general, but should be interesting none the less Slow down there, PartinG's ZvP has actually become the stuff of nightmares for zerg, yes he got a lot of wins on the back of the immortal sentry, but that doesn't make him a 1 trick pony, he was just using what he found was good and what he knew would work at the time because no one had a clue how to beat it. He has shown that he is a complete player via his stellar run in the Blizzcup, displaying many, many macro builds and 3-base timings, he also had a respectably good run in in GSL Code S until he ran into Curious. Don't let the 0-3 to Curious fool you, that was more a result of Curios being a former team mate of PartinG and completely dissecting his builds and using them against him. I'm guessing you haven't seen much of those games. Also from the games of PartinG I've seen so far at IEM, I'd say he has enough of an understanding of it that he can defeat Stephano + his mechanics and multi-tasking are just ferocious. I see Parting as not being 'bad' at PvZ, but just like the 1/1/1 TvP era having an allin that requires close to perfect responses to stop, it just throws everything into flux. The fear of the allin allows Parting to do something greedy sometimes and get away with it. I find it somewhat sad that guys with 'genuinely' good PvZ over long periods never got the same results as Parting did in his monster run abusing a dumb allin/the fear of a dumb allin. I play Protoss and Parting is one of my favourite players, but his PvZ is stupidly overhyped. This isn't bashing Parting, his PvT is often a thing of beauty and a genuinely very strong matchup and his PvP is pretty solid. Really looking forward to seeing what happens regardless though.
That seems like a pretty good analysis tbh.
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Anyone know where I can find vods? Tried finding but couldn't 
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A long time ago I said:
The power of Mech should not come from the Widow Mine, it should come from the Siege Tank. The Siege Tank should hit hard, not the Widow Mine. If Siege Tanks do enough damage then Mech will work. If they don't, then we'll constantly be looking for something that will do big damage and that we can combine with Siege Tanks so we can say "See Siege Tanks work when you use them with X!" X being the very hard hitting Warhound that was removed or Widow Mine. And in both cases, the Widow Mine and Warhound are better used alone or with other Terran play styles, than in conjunction with Siege Tanks in TvP.
And I feel like it is coming true watching MVP use Bio + Widow Mines versus Zerg... hopefully Blizzard didn't completely kill Mech in ZvT like they did in PvT...
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On March 08 2013 08:17 Entirety wrote:
Fuck yeah Mvp.
5-0, dropping 2 maps, he is going to dominate this tournament!
Terran is the best race right now, and Mvp is the best Terran player. Not surprising. Just like 2011 when Mvp smashed everyone.
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If there was a code S seed, just like back when MC dropped to code B, won MLG and proceeded to kick ass in code S... that would be great. Code S needs MVP.
But Woody-Allen-Toss would be fine, too, I guess. 
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