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Just_a_Moth
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada1966 Posts
February 01 2013 17:21 GMT
#3641
On February 02 2013 01:33 ChrysaliS_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2013 01:24 coasts wrote:
On February 01 2013 22:10 Type|NarutO wrote:
I remember a guy writing "Huk went 1-4 and took a game, already spelled fuck you to all the haters" Now Stephano goes out 3-4 and got demolished? Some guys seriously are nuts here. MVP went 1-4, what a newbie right? Code A level player.

I guess the difference is that Stephano never went through Code A and below to get to Code S.


Neither did HuK...

My bad should have specified I meant the difference between Stephano and MVP.
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
February 01 2013 17:40 GMT
#3642
Wow great night of GSL! DRG bossing it up! Well boys, I hope you enjoyed stephano in GSL because this is probably the last time you'll see him there since the foreigner off season will be over soon and tournaments will start up again in March. I fully expect stephano to forfeit his spot for the next GSL, so he can play in all the foreign tourneys again.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
tili
Profile Joined July 2012
United States1332 Posts
February 01 2013 17:49 GMT
#3643
On February 02 2013 01:52 Incomplet wrote:
?????
DRG just anihilated Stephano just a week or 2 ago in Ironsquid2 3-0...


?????
Stephano was sick, to be fair.
Mystgun
Profile Joined September 2010
Hong Kong311 Posts
February 01 2013 17:51 GMT
#3644
I am sure Stephano learned a lot from this experience. He looked a bit nervous in the booth and he probably would've done better if this wasn't his first time on the Code S stage
Cattlecruiser
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States340 Posts
February 01 2013 17:59 GMT
#3645
On February 02 2013 02:13 Greggle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2013 01:44 Cattlecruiser wrote:
On February 02 2013 01:06 las91 wrote:
I don't see how people can really defend Stephano or attack him. He played ok, although I would be more than a little concerned he couldn't pull a win on cross position Whirlwind against a Terran. Bogus (I will never call him Innovation lol) played well and 4-1'd him in the games, he earned his spot. Stephano will have more chances if/when he acclimates to GSL.

I think Stephano did what many hardcore, international and Korean followers have thought for a while.
He showed that he is a solid player, equal amongst top end Koreans.
I never thought Stephano would be a GSL winner, but without a doubt a fringe Code S/A if not Ro4 material.
He had a chance to get into the ro16 today and came very close to it.
He IS NOT as invincible as foreigners hoped, but he isn't as bad as the anti-fans make him to be.

The state of eSF v KeSPA v foreigners isn't as disorganized as people make it out to be.
Top KeSPA players are not very far from top eSF players, while KeSPA as a whole has slightly better average players considering the recent Code A qualifiers. (Not surprising considering their practice schedule)
Stephano, Scarlett, DIMAGA, and Naniwa have the ability to take out top end Korean players in the foreign format, not a sure thing but a distinct possibility. (few others as well aka Idra, Sen, ect to a lesser degree)


You take GSL RO4 far too lightly. Even if he ended up with a RO4 path that consists only of players he has beaten before it means nothing. Why? Because Stephano does well in foreign tournaments where nobody prepares specifically for him. Throw him in the GSL against the same group of players and every single one of them will have tailored a set of builds to rip him apart.

I'm glad he lost. I don't hate Stephano, but I hate having to listen to the stupid amount of hype he gets.

Hopefully this is the end of foreigner seeding. If they're good enough they will qualify on their own.


I didn't say he was Ro4 material, just said that I thought he had a realistic cap of fringe Code S/A while at best Ro4.
Only because Ro4 was the highest a foreigner got and Stephano is the best foreigner.
I also threw in the part about how foreigners winning on foreign format too.
I also enjoy reading foreign tears as much as any other gyo-po, but Stephano is for sure at least fringe Code S/A despite the results today.
Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
February 01 2013 18:07 GMT
#3646
Happy to see DRG advancing, and back (?) to his old, top form!
Flash | Mvp
1raxexpand
Profile Joined July 2012
United States165 Posts
February 01 2013 18:37 GMT
#3647
I think stephano did reasonably well today. No shame in losing to Bogus, a top 5 terran. Naniwa had much easier matches (he avoided mvp completely) in his GSL group.
Mvp-forGG-MKP-Bogus-Ty-MMA-Polt-Taeja-Flash
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
February 01 2013 18:46 GMT
#3648
On February 02 2013 02:20 -TesteR- wrote:
naniwa still #1


Bitch, please. Jinro #1
Terran & Potato Salad.
il_Cattivo
Profile Joined January 2013
Turkey54 Posts
February 01 2013 18:58 GMT
#3649
It seems Stephano needs some refinement to his play to be championship contender. He's a good player with enormous weaknesses now. All the lack of scouting, predictability need to be ironed out.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-01 19:01:02
February 01 2013 19:00 GMT
#3650
On February 02 2013 03:37 1raxexpand wrote:
I think stephano did reasonably well today. No shame in losing to Bogus, a top 5 terran. Naniwa had much easier matches (he avoided mvp completely) in his GSL group.


Yeah. Bogus is probably the best Kespa Terran out there.
There is no shame in losing to him. Especially if you watched the games... It's not really like Bogus outplayed him incredibly. Stephano gambled in game 1 and it didn't pay off and he lost therefore. Bogus gambled 3times and it payed off everytime...
The real lesson is probably, that Stephano is probably slightly too predictable.
Savant
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States379 Posts
February 01 2013 19:18 GMT
#3651
Stephano's good enough to beat Code S players, he deserved his seed. I still dislike his showboating and lack of humility so I'm glad he's out. Besides, Zergs capable of winning code S are a dime a dozen.
WniO
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2706 Posts
February 01 2013 19:19 GMT
#3652
On February 02 2013 03:46 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2013 02:20 -TesteR- wrote:
naniwa still #1


Bitch, please. Jinro #1

jungle basin goobi plz. im mad stephano lost that last match.
Baroninthetree
Profile Joined August 2012
United States473 Posts
February 01 2013 19:32 GMT
#3653
On February 02 2013 02:15 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2013 02:13 Greggle wrote:
On February 02 2013 01:44 Cattlecruiser wrote:
On February 02 2013 01:06 las91 wrote:
I don't see how people can really defend Stephano or attack him. He played ok, although I would be more than a little concerned he couldn't pull a win on cross position Whirlwind against a Terran. Bogus (I will never call him Innovation lol) played well and 4-1'd him in the games, he earned his spot. Stephano will have more chances if/when he acclimates to GSL.

I think Stephano did what many hardcore, international and Korean followers have thought for a while.
He showed that he is a solid player, equal amongst top end Koreans.
I never thought Stephano would be a GSL winner, but without a doubt a fringe Code S/A if not Ro4 material.
He had a chance to get into the ro16 today and came very close to it.
He IS NOT as invincible as foreigners hoped, but he isn't as bad as the anti-fans make him to be.

The state of eSF v KeSPA v foreigners isn't as disorganized as people make it out to be.
Top KeSPA players are not very far from top eSF players, while KeSPA as a whole has slightly better average players considering the recent Code A qualifiers. (Not surprising considering their practice schedule)
Stephano, Scarlett, DIMAGA, and Naniwa have the ability to take out top end Korean players in the foreign format, not a sure thing but a distinct possibility. (few others as well aka Idra, Sen, ect to a lesser degree)


You take GSL RO4 far too lightly. Even if he ended up with a RO4 path that consists only of players he has beaten before it means nothing. Why? Because Stephano does well in foreign tournaments where nobody prepares specifically for him. Throw him in the GSL against the same group of players and every single one of them will have tailored a set of builds to rip him apart.

I'm glad he lost. I don't hate Stephano, but I hate having to listen to the stupid amount of hype he gets.

Hopefully this is the end of foreigner seeding. If they're good enough they will qualify on their own.

I seriously doubt it will be. As long as they can bring someone with a large enough fan base it is still a win for Gom because of the increase in viewers and subscriptions. Seeds are good for them from a business standpoint. Not saying I agree with them but you can definitely see why they would do it.

i agree with the seed system. Basically, seeds widely exist in all sports and leagues for a good reason
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
February 01 2013 19:34 GMT
#3654
On February 02 2013 02:21 vividred wrote:
Aww yes good job bogus, although I expected him to go undefeated but it's okay at least he exposed stephano to be unworthy to get a seed.

Oh and stephano isn't even code A level. Not with that stacked code A player list

keep up the quality posting, you'll go far.
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
February 01 2013 19:36 GMT
#3655
On February 02 2013 02:20 -TesteR- wrote:
naniwa still #1


Well, Naniwa's record in the GSL started with a 0 - 10....

Give it some time....

Stephano played ok imho today. He had the big disadvantage of having a lot of his game available to watch and analyze (streaming...), and Innovation is very good...

I predicted that he'll end up 2 or 3 in the group, and I think it was realistic. He's good, but the format is new to him.

Let's see how he does in Code A and further before going on the "omg, super over hyped" / " he played amazingly but [insert random excuse]".


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BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
February 01 2013 19:37 GMT
#3656
On February 02 2013 04:00 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2013 03:37 1raxexpand wrote:
I think stephano did reasonably well today. No shame in losing to Bogus, a top 5 terran. Naniwa had much easier matches (he avoided mvp completely) in his GSL group.


Yeah. Bogus is probably the best Kespa Terran out there.
There is no shame in losing to him. Especially if you watched the games... It's not really like Bogus outplayed him incredibly. Stephano gambled in game 1 and it didn't pay off and he lost therefore. Bogus gambled 3times and it payed off everytime...
The real lesson is probably, that Stephano is probably slightly too predictable.


Not true dude. Bogus has looked terrible in pro league besides his all kill.
Nick_54
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2230 Posts
February 01 2013 19:38 GMT
#3657
On February 02 2013 04:34 StarVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2013 02:21 vividred wrote:
Aww yes good job bogus, although I expected him to go undefeated but it's okay at least he exposed stephano to be unworthy to get a seed.

Oh and stephano isn't even code A level. Not with that stacked code A player list

keep up the quality posting, you'll go far.


It's a forum with opinions. Sometimes your not gonna like it. Just because he had an opinion you didn't like doesn't mean its wrong.

I think he's code A, but who knows he could go 0-2, 0-5 in code A we shall see.
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
February 01 2013 19:41 GMT
#3658
On February 02 2013 04:36 Ragnarork wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2013 02:20 -TesteR- wrote:
naniwa still #1


Well, Naniwa's record in the GSL started with a 0 - 10....

Give it some time....

Stephano played ok imho today. He had the big disadvantage of having a lot of his game available to watch and analyze (streaming...), and Innovation is very good...

I predicted that he'll end up 2 or 3 in the group, and I think it was realistic. He's good, but the format is new to him.

Let's see how he does in Code A and further before going on the "omg, super over hyped" / " he played amazingly but [insert random excuse]".




Bogus does too.
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8306 Posts
February 01 2013 19:42 GMT
#3659
On February 02 2013 02:49 tili wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2013 01:52 Incomplet wrote:
?????
DRG just anihilated Stephano just a week or 2 ago in Ironsquid2 3-0...


?????
Stephano was sick, to be fair.


And jetlagged
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
February 01 2013 19:47 GMT
#3660
On February 02 2013 02:49 tili wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2013 01:52 Incomplet wrote:
?????
DRG just anihilated Stephano just a week or 2 ago in Ironsquid2 3-0...


?????
Stephano was sick, to be fair.


And JYP had touched him. And the dog had eaten his homework.
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