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erw
Profile Joined January 2011
Norway284 Posts
January 06 2013 16:29 GMT
#2981
funny after a million seasons of gsl you complain about the format now because flash was eliminated, ok.
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Odoakar
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia1837 Posts
January 06 2013 16:31 GMT
#2982
Meh, I think Mr.Chae will cry himself to sleep tonight.
tozi
Profile Joined October 2008
United States506 Posts
January 06 2013 16:45 GMT
#2983
hmm...
so where does flash go now? Code A or Code B?
nothing
GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
January 06 2013 16:47 GMT
#2984
Best IM Terran inc code s :D
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Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12023 Posts
January 06 2013 16:47 GMT
#2985
On January 07 2013 01:45 tozi wrote:
hmm...
so where does flash go now? Code A or Code B?


Back to code A.
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sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5523 Posts
January 06 2013 16:49 GMT
#2986
Oh man, watching the VODs, and so far all I can say is: Jaedong loses vP like I do, what the hell. Throwing away units, not hotkeying army, etc.
Like Tinkerbelle, I leave behind a sparkly residue.
Wroshe
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands1051 Posts
January 06 2013 16:56 GMT
#2987
On January 07 2013 01:22 Ace Frehley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 23:50 fluidin wrote:
What if U/D was changed to a point system? Where beating the group leader gives more points, etc.


Why not just give Flash a seed and admit you guys don't care about what is fair as long as the fan favorite goes through?

I like this quote.
LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
January 06 2013 16:57 GMT
#2988
On January 07 2013 01:24 massivez wrote:
Nice games, to bad for Flash being in Code A again. Anyway, is Jaedong the most popular Kespa player in korea? Seeïng that i never see girls screaming or so for Flash. Or is there another player with the same popularity as Jaedong in korea (that is still playing)?

Jd is most popular in kespa. Bisu 2nd, baby 3rd and flash fourth. Jd has fangirls
Because he is a boss in starcraft, can sing, has swag and
Reasonably attractive.
Flash... Well hes just skilled.
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
January 06 2013 17:19 GMT
#2989
Eh, always gonna be problems what ever the format of a tournament is, you can't really ever have a perfect system where the most skilled players go through in a video game because groups can't be perfectly fair. The format is fair as long as it treats everyone equally, complaining about "fairness" is a pretty null point.
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vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
January 06 2013 17:41 GMT
#2990
On January 07 2013 02:19 Caihead wrote:
Eh, always gonna be problems what ever the format of a tournament is, you can't really ever have a perfect system where the most skilled players go through in a video game because groups can't be perfectly fair. The format is fair as long as it treats everyone equally, complaining about "fairness" is a pretty null point.


It is not just video games. In sports, you have referees, injuries or just the opposition being on fire for that night. That is what makes sports so entertaining. There is always chance of upset.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
January 06 2013 17:43 GMT
#2991
On January 07 2013 01:47 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2013 01:45 tozi wrote:
hmm...
so where does flash go now? Code A or Code B?


Back to code A.


He will be place in Ro48 Code A. If he wins, he continues on. If he loses, he gets sent to Code B.
Fischbacher
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada666 Posts
January 06 2013 17:48 GMT
#2992
On January 07 2013 02:41 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2013 02:19 Caihead wrote:
Eh, always gonna be problems what ever the format of a tournament is, you can't really ever have a perfect system where the most skilled players go through in a video game because groups can't be perfectly fair. The format is fair as long as it treats everyone equally, complaining about "fairness" is a pretty null point.


It is not just video games. In sports, you have referees, injuries or just the opposition being on fire for that night. That is what makes sports so entertaining. There is always chance of upset.

Amen. The way I explain to people why I love the Olympics so much is exactly that: the only thing you can expect is the unexpected. I don't think wants to see a 31 person round robin with Bo7 matches. There really isn't such a thing as a format that is both "perfect" and entertaining.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-06 17:55:03
January 06 2013 17:50 GMT
#2993
On January 07 2013 01:01 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2013 00:18 Assirra wrote:
On January 07 2013 00:09 Talin wrote:
On January 07 2013 00:02 vthree wrote:
On January 06 2013 23:59 Talin wrote:
I honestly don't understand why anybody would use anything other than the ODT 4-player format for group plays of any sort.

Not that I particularly care about either Flash or Jaedong advancing, but all these experimental formats seem to spark discussions and raise issues pretty much every time they're played.


What? Round robin with h2h is an experimental format?


It is in Starcraft, especially with groups over 4 players that can lead to odd ties and "meaningless" games for some players.

It's just not elegant and satisfying enough. Aren't these kinds of discussions pretty common after most up/down groups?

Most of the time they are when a fan favorite loses.


Most of the time someone's favorite will lose. In a GSL style groups, nobody really complains about the format when this happens. In a 5 player round-robin group, this is the last page or two of quite a few LR threads.

Show nested quote +
On January 07 2013 00:21 vthree wrote:
what makes Starcraft so special compare to other competitive games and sports that we need a new system? You will always get 'meaningless' games with round robin. Also, this was used in WCG for BW.

Is the system not elegant and satisfying? Or not satisfying that Flash didn't make it. And no, these discussions are not common at all. Many other SC2 tournaments use this system and there is no discussion/issue at all.


WCG wasn't relevant in Brood War, and I'm pretty sure you're very wrong as to how often the merits of round robin have been debated in the past, ever since Nani's probe rush and Stephano/Bratok's shenanigans at Assembly.


Exactly, your examples is Nani, Stephano. Not exactly unknowns, right?

And EVERY system gets discussed. You think people don't complain about Code S Format? Where player A can go 3-2 vs player B and still have player B make it thru? Double elimination and what advantage should be given to the winner? Team kills early in single elim format? Extended series?

Every format has been complaint about. Just because a format wasn't used OSL/MSL, doesn't make it experimental. The OSL format Bo1 had a lot of complaints as well. Just that the hardcore BW fans just said 'well, it worked in BW.' Which isn't really a logical arguement.
Tenshix
Profile Joined January 2013
United States169 Posts
January 06 2013 17:54 GMT
#2994
I'm actually pretty impressed YoDa came out on top, but I'm sad that Flash didn't make it.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
January 06 2013 17:56 GMT
#2995
On January 07 2013 00:09 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2013 00:02 vthree wrote:
On January 06 2013 23:59 Talin wrote:
I honestly don't understand why anybody would use anything other than the ODT 4-player format for group plays of any sort.

Not that I particularly care about either Flash or Jaedong advancing, but all these experimental formats seem to spark discussions and raise issues pretty much every time they're played.


What? Round robin with h2h is an experimental format?


It is in Starcraft, especially with groups over 4 players that can lead to odd ties and "meaningless" games for some players.

It's just not elegant and satisfying enough. Aren't these kinds of discussions pretty common after most up/down groups?


They are. Had Sniper and Yoda lost, I don't think anyone would have cared that much about the format.
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decado90
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States480 Posts
January 06 2013 17:58 GMT
#2996
GSL about 100x less interesting for me now. Sad that a player like Stephano gets a free welfare seed into Code S, while Flash makes it through the Code A qualifiers, goes 3-2 in his Up and Down group, beating the guy that was 5-0, destroying every macro game he played, and doesn't advance.

Horrible format.
"Be formless like water"- Bruce Lee
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12904 Posts
January 06 2013 18:02 GMT
#2997
On January 07 2013 02:58 decado90 wrote:
GSL about 100x less interesting for me now. Sad that a player like Stephano gets a free welfare seed into Code S, while Flash makes it through the Code A qualifiers, goes 3-2 in his Up and Down group, beating the guy that was 5-0, destroying every macro game he played, and doesn't advance.

Horrible format.

Yeah, 3-2, that's the problem.
That and the fact that he didn't win in code A.
WriterMaru
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
January 06 2013 18:07 GMT
#2998
On January 07 2013 02:58 decado90 wrote:
GSL about 100x less interesting for me now. Sad that a player like Stephano gets a free welfare seed into Code S, while Flash makes it through the Code A qualifiers, goes 3-2 in his Up and Down group, beating the guy that was 5-0, destroying every macro game he played, and doesn't advance.

Horrible format.


You realize that Kespa players who has less SC2 achievements than Stephano have gotten Code S seeds, right?

Do you think Flash is blaming the format? No, he will just go back and work harder. Maybe you should cheer him on instead of whining.
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5599 Posts
January 06 2013 18:12 GMT
#2999
On January 07 2013 01:29 erw wrote:
funny after a million seasons of gsl you complain about the format now because flash was eliminated, ok.

I would never have watched this tournament if it wasn't for Flash and Jaedong. That's why - I at least - haven't been complaining about this arbitrary system before.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
decado90
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States480 Posts
January 06 2013 18:12 GMT
#3000
On January 07 2013 00:13 LighT. wrote:
Hmm...
The only way to appease everyone here is a bo7 flash/stephano for code s seed



haha, Oh god. I can imagine the 4-0 Flash win now.
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