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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On January 07 2013 00:02 vthree wrote: What? Round robin with h2h is an experimental format? It is in Starcraft, especially with groups over 4 players that can lead to odd ties and "meaningless" games for some players. It's just not elegant and satisfying enough. Aren't these kinds of discussions pretty common after most up/down groups? | ||
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LighT.
Canada4501 Posts
The only way to appease everyone here is a bo7 flash/stephano for code s seed  | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On January 07 2013 00:09 Talin wrote: It is in Starcraft, especially with groups over 4 players that can lead to odd ties and "meaningless" games for some players. It's just not elegant and satisfying enough. Aren't these kinds of discussions pretty common after most up/down groups? Most of the time they are when a fan favorite loses. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On January 07 2013 00:09 Talin wrote: It is in Starcraft, especially with groups over 4 players that can lead to odd ties and "meaningless" games for some players. It's just not elegant and satisfying enough. Aren't these kinds of discussions pretty common after most up/down groups? And what makes Starcraft so special compare to other competitive games and sports that we need a new system? You will always get 'meaningless' games with round robin. Also, this was used in WCG for BW. Is the system not elegant and satisfying? Or not satisfying that Flash didn't make it. And no, these discussions are not common at all. Many other SC2 tournaments use this system and there is no discussion/issue at all. | ||
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Darkshark
Germany27 Posts
On January 07 2013 00:05 Xoronius wrote: If you would use the Sonneborn-Berger-System (which is quite common in chess tournaments): Flash: 4 (Yoda) + 2 (Vampire) + 0 (Yonghwa) = 6 MC: 3(Flash) + 3 (Jaedong) +0 (Yoda) = 6 So they would still be tied, it would still get to H2H and MC would still win. Only thing that would change is Flash surpassing Jaedong in this system. I'm playing Chess and also some Regional tournaments. And i have to say, that that system is quite fair, because it shows how strong your oppents were, which you have beaten. But i think the GSL System is fine. MC has won the Matches against his direct opponents. So in my opinion he deservs the Code S seed. Also i don't know how serious Yoda was in his last game, nothing against his Playstyle, but if you fight for your tournament life, i think you will probably play better. But all in all im glad that the Bosstoss is back. | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On January 06 2013 23:54 FlyingDagger wrote:  YoDa 5-1 YongHwa 0-5MC 3-2 Jaedong 3-2Vampire 2-3Flash 3-2YoDa is so good he managed to win an extra gameHe beat himself, of course. | ||
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sc14s
United States5052 Posts
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
On January 07 2013 00:18 Assirra wrote: Most of the time they are when a fan favorite loses. Bingo. | ||
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shadymmj
1906 Posts
you could argue that flash beat the best performing player and so he deserves to advance (of course this is also bogus logic). tiebreakers are fair, or a "tiebreaker night" for all groups is also sufficient. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On January 07 2013 00:18 Assirra wrote: Most of the time they are when a fan favorite loses. Most of the time someone's favorite will lose. In a GSL style groups, nobody really complains about the format when this happens. In a 5 player round-robin group, this is the last page or two of quite a few LR threads. On January 07 2013 00:21 vthree wrote: what makes Starcraft so special compare to other competitive games and sports that we need a new system? You will always get 'meaningless' games with round robin. Also, this was used in WCG for BW. Is the system not elegant and satisfying? Or not satisfying that Flash didn't make it. And no, these discussions are not common at all. Many other SC2 tournaments use this system and there is no discussion/issue at all. WCG wasn't relevant in Brood War, and I'm pretty sure you're very wrong as to how often the merits of round robin have been debated in the past, ever since Nani's probe rush and Stephano/Bratok's shenanigans at Assembly. | ||
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Benjamin99
4176 Posts
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Left hand
Finland133 Posts
On January 07 2013 00:09 Talin wrote: It is in Starcraft, especially with groups over 4 players that can lead to odd ties and "meaningless" games for some players. It's just not elegant and satisfying enough. Aren't these kinds of discussions pretty common after most up/down groups? I wouldn't want the up/down format in many tournaments, but I absolutely love it as the last chance qualifier for Code S. It is a brutal, unfair gauntlet that you just gotta pass. I liked it even more when half the guys didn't adcance, but oh well. | ||
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revel8
United Kingdom3022 Posts
I wonder how long Kespa will keep sending their players to GSL. I would not be surprised if some more scheduling problems with Kespa tournaments occurred in the next few months. We will see, it could all end up as one big happy family in the Korean domestic scene. At least Jaedong has a chance to win this GSL. | ||
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derpface
Sweden925 Posts
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ES.Genie
Germany1370 Posts
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
Also, I'm so glad to finally hear real casters again, after having had only SPL to watch the last few weeks. <3 Wolf+Khaldor | ||
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6667 Posts
On January 07 2013 00:13 LighT. wrote: Hmm... The only way to appease everyone here is a bo7 flash/stephano for code s seed This is clearly the best choice! 1) Flash win get into code S 2) Will stop Stephano fanboys in their tracks when he gets 4-0'd by God  Make it happen GOM Go Go! | ||
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Ace Frehley
2030 Posts
On January 06 2013 23:50 fluidin wrote: What if U/D was changed to a point system? Where beating the group leader gives more points, etc. Why not just give Flash a seed and admit you guys don't care about what is fair as long as the fan favorite goes through? | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
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massivez
Belgium653 Posts
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