EPTOn December 24 2012 06:32 kollin wrote:
No it didn't, MKP was just playing badly at HSC.
No it didn't, MKP was just playing badly at HSC.
People used to play MMM waaaaaaaaay back in the day and the way to crush it was roach/hydra.
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shockaslim
United States1104 Posts
People used to play MMM waaaaaaaaay back in the day and the way to crush it was roach/hydra. | ||
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sitromit
7051 Posts
On December 24 2012 06:31 MCDayC wrote: Its kinda map dependent, and it takes advantage of the queen buff so there is more creep spread. On top of that, with the recent infestor nerfs (and blizz says more are coming) zergs are looking at other ways to take advantage of better defense/creep coverage instead of spines infestors and brood lords, so hydras are coming into fashion. I wonder if it'll stick. How did Queen buff have anything to do with this game? Stephano had a pretty early Roach Warren and didn't build a lot of Queens anyway. People have to stop blaming everything on the Queen buff. | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
No...it doesn't. In a straight up fight, with a good amount of medivacs Terran wins. | ||
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gwixter
Slovakia336 Posts
On December 24 2012 06:32 MCDayC wrote: Stephano beat MMA and MKP using the same comp (not necessarily the same timing) at HSC. and GanZi at LSC ... all on Ohana iirc and some other korean terrans on ladder when he was in Korea in summer hmm I don't remember him losing with this strategy actually :D | ||
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Qwerty85
Croatia5536 Posts
On December 24 2012 06:33 KingOfNoodles wrote: I think its if Terran starts earlier production of seige tanks (not getting starport/banshees), they will have more than enough splash to kill both roaches and hydras. Not sure if that would work but even if it did, going straight to tanks is bad in any other situation, you wouldn't have any map control - no helions, no banshees, no way to stop fast 3rd base or pressure zerg at all. | ||
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sudosu
France120 Posts
On December 24 2012 06:28 decado90 wrote: Roach Hydra is pretty good and very viable actually. Zergs just always call Hydra's bad and refuse to use them so it became common "knowledge" that Hydras are bad. Same way that every Zerg will tell you that if they don't get free 3 base full saturation they are ages behind. This. So true. Popular builds are just too popular, 99,9% of the players just don't even think anymore, they don't always actually understand the build they're using/facing and why it is used. This game on Stephano's side just relied on basic counters : hellions & banshee >> roach and hydra, no map control for you, no damage done to my economy, no way to defend your early third, and your mech will never be strong enough. | ||
Poopi
France12771 Posts
There was a patch that allowed zergs to push creep further especially against terrans, and most of the players who said things like "ultra are shit", "hydras are shit" well they are proven wrong times and times again. Often by Stephano lol. | ||
Olli
Austria24417 Posts
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On December 24 2012 06:35 shockaslim wrote: People used to play MMM waaaaaaaaay back in the day and the way to crush it was roach/hydra. The game is different, what once was has little relevancy now. | ||
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decado90
United States480 Posts
On December 24 2012 06:33 rasnj wrote: You do realize how stupid that makes you right? Stephano plays a completely different style, and beats one of the best players in the world. He didn't abuse infestors or brood lords, so why would this be anything like what other zergs are doing? I personally I'm not a big fan of how stephano presents himself and his mentality, but you can't help but admire his play at least. There is nothing ordinary about that. Mvp is not "one of the best players in the world" anymore. He's fallen all the way down to 26th in tlpd and would be the underdog against quite a few foreign Zergs. | ||
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MCDayC
United Kingdom14464 Posts
Well the point of it is that you get enough creep spread that it really doesnt matter the attacks work off creep, cause they'll almost always be on creep. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44137 Posts
Go Mvp!!! | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10121 Posts
On December 24 2012 06:35 shockaslim wrote: People used to play MMM waaaaaaaaay back in the day and the way to crush it was roach/hydra. Pretty sure it was infestor ling baneling. | ||
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NeutralDepot
80 Posts
On December 24 2012 06:35 Qwerty85 wrote: Not sure if that would work but even if it did, going straight to tanks is bad in any other situation, you wouldn't have any map control - no helions, no banshees, no way to stop fast 3rd base or pressure zerg at all. You can't really pressure a zergs third anymore anyway. The reason why this partially works is because of the huge eco Zerg gets early on. It's similar to the 12 minute roach max in ZvP. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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Makro
France16890 Posts
On December 24 2012 06:34 MCDayC wrote: what do you mean he didnt find the best timing? when he has to use them maybe, he just talked about timing, nothing more so .. | ||
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littlebigs
United States29 Posts
On December 24 2012 06:33 rasnj wrote: You do realize how stupid that makes you right? Stephano plays a completely different style, and beats one of the best players in the world. He didn't abuse infestors or brood lords, so why would this be anything like what other zergs are doing? I personally I'm not a big fan of how stephano presents himself and his mentality, but you can't help but admire his play at least. There is nothing ordinary about that. Yes I'm an idiot because there were so many things MVP could have done to stop that | ||
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Avicularia
540 Posts
On December 24 2012 06:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Wolf with pink hair. Should be fun. Can't be worse than his previous colour :p | ||
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KingOfNoodles
Australia379 Posts
On December 24 2012 06:35 Qwerty85 wrote: Not sure if that would work but even if it did, going straight to tanks is bad in any other situation, you wouldn't have any map control - no helions, no banshees, no way to stop fast 3rd base or pressure zerg at all. No I meant just open expo reactor hellion with a second factory instead of starport for seige tanks. It is true that you will not have as much harass capabilities or map control though. | ||
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Snowbear
Korea (South)1925 Posts
On December 24 2012 06:35 Qwerty85 wrote: Not sure if that would work but even if it did, going straight to tanks is bad in any other situation, you wouldn't have any map control - no helions, no banshees, no way to stop fast 3rd base or pressure zerg at all. This is indeed the problem. Terran has to choose: 1) Deny creep? Hellion banshee --> weak to roach timings 2) Play safe with siegetanks --> creepspread will kill you Blizzard needs to fix that imo (creep). | ||
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