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On December 24 2012 06:29 Qwerty85 wrote:
I am not sure if this is Mvp not being used to such play or zergs actually exaggerate how bad hydras are.
Yes they may be bad in comparison to winfestors but not so bad to be useless, it seems.
Korean terrans never ever scout. Half the terrans Stephano plays against don't even scout his early roaches pushes. Others don't know to the 12th minute mark that he actually plays roach hydra.
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weird that mvp still tried to take 3rd when he saw with banshees (dying to hydras) the roach/hydra going to 3rd...mvp had so few non hellion units he shoulda waited for more
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On December 24 2012 06:30 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 06:29 Popkiller wrote:
this has to just be a meta thing. what was it that made zergs not do this in the beginning? You need MMM to stop that push.
Roach/Hydra beats MMM too......
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On December 24 2012 06:31 MCDayC wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 06:29 Popkiller wrote:
this has to just be a meta thing. what was it that made zergs not do this in the beginning? Its kinda map dependent, and it takes advantage of the queen buff so there is more creep spread. On top of that, with the recent infestor nerfs (and blizz says more are coming) zergs are looking at other ways to take advantage of better defense/creep coverage instead of spines infestors and brood lords, so hydras are coming into fashion. I wonder if it'll stick.
stephano pretty good at trying to change some metagame but according to him he didn't find the best timing with his hydras, so wait and see
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On December 24 2012 06:29 Popkiller wrote:
this has to just be a meta thing. what was it that made zergs not do this in the beginning?
idra
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On December 24 2012 06:30 Lorning wrote:
I love how he just attacked into 7 or 8 tanks and crushed it
i hope this is sarcasm cause its just sad. The tank should just be removed from Wol and hots and just immortalized from BW and left there.
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On December 24 2012 06:30 Lorning wrote:
I love how he just attacked into 7 or 8 tanks and crushed it
Tanks are overrated!!!
First attack was killer timing. I mean MVP had 2 tanks... 1 minute later and it would not have worked. next time less hellions/banshee more tanks and he does not lose against hydras ever
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Roach Hydra, with good creep spread actually seems quite viable in TvZ. Of course, this wouldn't really work on big maps, but on a relatively small map like Ohana, it should actually be pretty good. Stephano beat MMA as well with this similar build on Ohana during HSC 6 this week.
It's interesting that the two best TvZ players from 2011 both lost to this build in such a short time period.
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On December 24 2012 06:30 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 06:29 Popkiller wrote:
this has to just be a meta thing. what was it that made zergs not do this in the beginning? You need MMM to stop that push.
Stephano beat MMA and MKP using the same comp (not necessarily the same timing) at HSC.
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On December 24 2012 06:32 shockaslim wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 06:30 Godwrath wrote:On December 24 2012 06:29 Popkiller wrote:
this has to just be a meta thing. what was it that made zergs not do this in the beginning? You need MMM to stop that push. Roach/Hydra beats MMM too......
No it didn't, MKP was just playing badly at HSC.
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On December 24 2012 06:32 shockaslim wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 06:30 Godwrath wrote:On December 24 2012 06:29 Popkiller wrote:
this has to just be a meta thing. what was it that made zergs not do this in the beginning? You need MMM to stop that push. Roach/Hydra beats MMM too......
Out of creep ? Nope.
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On December 24 2012 06:28 decado90 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 06:27 Mensol wrote:
If he beat MVP with roach/hydra, there is no hope for terrans. Roach Hydra is pretty good and very viable actually. Zergs just always call Hydra's bad and refuse to use them so it became common "knowledge" that Hydras are bad. Same way that every Zerg will tell you that if they don't get free 3 base full saturation they are ages behind.
Don't forget the weak midgame and the need of the infestor to compete with the very cost effective bio.
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On December 24 2012 06:32 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 06:32 shockaslim wrote:On December 24 2012 06:30 Godwrath wrote:On December 24 2012 06:29 Popkiller wrote:
this has to just be a meta thing. what was it that made zergs not do this in the beginning? You need MMM to stop that push. Roach/Hydra beats MMM too...... No it didn't, MKP was just playing badly at HSC.
Nope. Roach hydra trashes MMM lol.
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On December 24 2012 06:29 Popkiller wrote:
this has to just be a meta thing. what was it that made zergs not do this in the beginning?
I think its if Terran starts earlier production of seige tanks (not getting starport/banshees), they will have more than enough splash to kill both roaches and hydras.
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On December 24 2012 06:30 littlebigs wrote:
I can't help but to see this as another zerg beating a terran. At least the usage of Hydra's makes it kinda cool.
You do realize how stupid that makes you right? Stephano plays a completely different style, and beats one of the best players in the world. He didn't abuse infestors or brood lords, so why would this be anything like what other zergs are doing?
I personally I'm not a big fan of how stephano presents himself and his mentality, but you can't help but admire his play at least. There is nothing ordinary about that.
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On December 24 2012 06:30 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 06:29 Popkiller wrote:
this has to just be a meta thing. what was it that made zergs not do this in the beginning? You need MMM to stop that push.
Ups nvm.
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On December 24 2012 06:32 Makro wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 06:31 MCDayC wrote:On December 24 2012 06:29 Popkiller wrote:
this has to just be a meta thing. what was it that made zergs not do this in the beginning? Its kinda map dependent, and it takes advantage of the queen buff so there is more creep spread. On top of that, with the recent infestor nerfs (and blizz says more are coming) zergs are looking at other ways to take advantage of better defense/creep coverage instead of spines infestors and brood lords, so hydras are coming into fashion. I wonder if it'll stick. stephano pretty good at trying to change some metagame but according to him he didn't find the best timing with his hydras, so wait and see
what do you mean he didnt find the best timing?
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On December 24 2012 06:29 Qwerty85 wrote:
I am not sure if this is Mvp not being used to such play or zergs actually exaggerate how bad hydras are.
Yes they may be bad in comparison to winfestors but not so bad to be useless, it seems.
a bit of both...
they lack the AOE that you get with bane/inestors to deal with Terran bio play... but they do a lot more single target dps than people give them credit for.
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On December 24 2012 06:33 Salteador Neo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 06:28 decado90 wrote:On December 24 2012 06:27 Mensol wrote:
If he beat MVP with roach/hydra, there is no hope for terrans. Roach Hydra is pretty good and very viable actually. Zergs just always call Hydra's bad and refuse to use them so it became common "knowledge" that Hydras are bad. Same way that every Zerg will tell you that if they don't get free 3 base full saturation they are ages behind. Don't forget the weak midgame and the need of the infestor to compete with the very cost effective bio.
Weirdly, because of marauders infestors are actually pretty bad against bio. You actually do use them as a support unit there, and go muta ling bane because that is a lot more efficient as the main dps if your army can't be sniped by 2 marauders.
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