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Austria24417 Posts
On December 24 2012 06:11 DODswe4 wrote:
Stephano should have it now. why didnt Mana try to expand... Mana loses to alot of zergs as of late, hope he can come back by taking out mini then taking out Mvp should be possible, Mvp hasn't looked to great and Mana is alot better vs t
edit: I think Stephano should win over Mvp since Mvp looked weak against Mini
If Mana expands, he can't keep attacking. If he can't keep attacking, Stephano's infestors regain energy + BLs can morph and from there Mana is far away from the tech he needs to fight that army at full strength. The fights were only close because Mana kept going in, wasting infestor energy.
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On December 24 2012 06:02 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 05:38 CosmicSpiral wrote:On December 24 2012 05:28 TommyP wrote:On December 24 2012 05:24 ColtraneL wrote:On December 24 2012 05:09 TommyP wrote:On December 24 2012 05:07 Qwerty85 wrote:On December 24 2012 05:06 TommyP wrote:On December 24 2012 05:05 gillon wrote:On December 24 2012 05:03 sitromit wrote:On December 24 2012 04:49 pmp10 wrote:
Khaldor really needs to get over the whole 'ghosts' thing.
Pre-nerf he was whining about them on-air in GSL and now that they are rarely used in the match-up he soothes his guilty conscience by shouting 'Gumiho' whenever issues of TvZ are brought up. Why should he ignore the fact that one of the most successful Terran players lately has shown multiple times in the last few months that Ghosts are very viable and useful, while the rest continue to whine that they're absolute crap and refuse to build them at all? Because they are, in fact, crap in TvZ and that is the very reason you only see gumiho build them. but Gumibear is best Terran right now, obviously he's doing something right. Best terran by what standards? He had a win streak, that is not enough to call him the best terran.... I dont think any other terran's play comes close atm. He's just looked like the best terran regardless of how much he's won, nobody has looked better lately. oh and Im a FXO hater. People should stop to hype too fast. Gumiho is a wonderful player, he has proven that already this year, he was called to become the best terran at the end of 2011 and he failed to accomplish anything this year. You can't be the best terran without success. Obviously he is pretty good, he has some very different strategies that are amazing to watch, great micro and macro, but there is not point of calling him the best terran until he actually achieves it. It was already boring for Forgg, and it still is everytime people hype a player too soon. its not hype, im not saying he's going to go win everything, but at this point in time, his play isnt matched by any other terran. Hell even during Mvp's GSL runs this year, he wasnt the best terran (well maybe season 2 i dont remember), a lot more than being the best terran goes into winning (just ask LeBron James before last year) LeBron James was the best small forward long before he won a championship. You can't compare SC2 pros to basketball pros in that manner. Thats my point. Lebron best player at his position for a long time but never won anything. You can be the best at your position/race but not win anything is what i was saying when referring to gumiho. Also Stephano vs Mvp is going to be sick i cant wait.
The difference is that Lebron James was part of a team, and his individual strengths and accomplishments do not necessarily translate to team accomplishments. This isn't the case in SC2, where leagues are mostly 1v1 format.
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On December 24 2012 06:11 miniskirt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 06:07 Zenbrez wrote:
Stephano keeps his infestors on his main army hotkey? Common dude. bashing stephano's army control takes some balls :D stephano select infestors by ctrl-clicking into the unit bar after pushing hotkey, that takes some skill to do it as fast as he does Best PvZ I've seen in a while, i really thought mana was doing it at some point (stephano back on two bases + 1 going up on the left)
No it would be skilful if he had them on a separate hotkey. Having them on the same hotkey actually doesn't make sense and is bad because you control the infestors far slower.
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On December 24 2012 06:14 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 06:11 miniskirt wrote:On December 24 2012 06:07 Zenbrez wrote:
Stephano keeps his infestors on his main army hotkey? Common dude. bashing stephano's army control takes some balls :D stephano select infestors by ctrl-clicking into the unit bar after pushing hotkey, that takes some skill to do it as fast as he does Best PvZ I've seen in a while, i really thought mana was doing it at some point (stephano back on two bases + 1 going up on the left) No it would be skilful if he had them on a separate hotkey. Having them on the same hotkey actually doesn't make sense and is bad because you control the infestors far slower.
That kind of discussion brings me back painful memories when the mainstream people started to play MMORPGs and they said mouseclicking.was ok.
Edit - Oh god, enough with ghosts Khaldor lol.
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Khaldor again with the ghosts....
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Austria24417 Posts
Next patch: infestors now zergling size :D
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On December 24 2012 06:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 06:11 DODswe4 wrote:
Stephano should have it now. why didnt Mana try to expand... Mana loses to alot of zergs as of late, hope he can come back by taking out mini then taking out Mvp should be possible, Mvp hasn't looked to great and Mana is alot better vs t
edit: I think Stephano should win over Mvp since Mvp looked weak against Mini If Mana expands, he can't keep attacking. If he can't keep attacking, Stephano's infestors regain energy + BLs can morph and from there Mana is far away from the tech he needs to fight that army at full strength. The fights were only close because Mana kept going in, wasting infestor energy.
I meant more in general why he thought as a game plan doing the continues attack was a good idea, obv its easy to say when you see exactly what Stephano is doing. But he think Mana should have tried to get some more tech earlier. He might have lost still, cant really see what Stephano would have done it that situation really
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On December 24 2012 06:21 Qwerty85 wrote:
Khaldor again with the ghosts....
what's the deal ? i'm on the french one
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On December 24 2012 06:21 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Next patch: infestors now zergling size :D
To compensate for the nerf, fungal range is now 12.
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Hahahah i would totally do that too.
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if stephano brings roach / hydra against mvp, my god ..
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Stephano will probably go Roach/Hydra on this map, that's what he seems to play here recently.
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Is Stephano's roach hydra going to beat MVP as well? This would be hilarious.
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oh boy, if 1 year ago u would have told me that stephano would play roach/hydra against MVP .. xD
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Roach Hydra vs MVP, now THIS I gotta see.
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Poor MVP, he's gonna die to roach/hydra now, must be a first.
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Austria24417 Posts
On December 24 2012 06:22 DODswe4 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 06:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:On December 24 2012 06:11 DODswe4 wrote:
Stephano should have it now. why didnt Mana try to expand... Mana loses to alot of zergs as of late, hope he can come back by taking out mini then taking out Mvp should be possible, Mvp hasn't looked to great and Mana is alot better vs t
edit: I think Stephano should win over Mvp since Mvp looked weak against Mini If Mana expands, he can't keep attacking. If he can't keep attacking, Stephano's infestors regain energy + BLs can morph and from there Mana is far away from the tech he needs to fight that army at full strength. The fights were only close because Mana kept going in, wasting infestor energy. I meant more in general why he thought as a game plan doing the continues attack was a good idea, obv its easy to say when you see exactly what Stephano is doing. But he think Mana should have tried to get some more tech earlier. He might have lost still, cant really see what Stephano would have done it that situation really
Mana was far behind in economy from the beginning since his third was mega delayed. What he did to compensate for that is boost his upgrades and go up to colossi. He kinda got forced into it by taking the economy hit and decided to use the two strong points he used to compensate for it - colossus tech and strong, fast upgrades. But those don't carry over well vs BL/infestor so his best bet was hitting that attack off double robo colossus. Since his third was so late he couldn't really afford to tech much further.
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If he beat MVP with roach/hydra, there is no hope for terrans.
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Looooool this is magnificent.
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EPT
