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Austria24417 Posts
Double colossus is the best choice for him imo. But Stephano should be fine
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On December 24 2012 05:38 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 05:28 TommyP wrote:On December 24 2012 05:24 ColtraneL wrote:On December 24 2012 05:09 TommyP wrote:On December 24 2012 05:07 Qwerty85 wrote:On December 24 2012 05:06 TommyP wrote:On December 24 2012 05:05 gillon wrote:On December 24 2012 05:03 sitromit wrote:On December 24 2012 04:49 pmp10 wrote:
Khaldor really needs to get over the whole 'ghosts' thing.
Pre-nerf he was whining about them on-air in GSL and now that they are rarely used in the match-up he soothes his guilty conscience by shouting 'Gumiho' whenever issues of TvZ are brought up. Why should he ignore the fact that one of the most successful Terran players lately has shown multiple times in the last few months that Ghosts are very viable and useful, while the rest continue to whine that they're absolute crap and refuse to build them at all? Because they are, in fact, crap in TvZ and that is the very reason you only see gumiho build them. but Gumibear is best Terran right now, obviously he's doing something right. Best terran by what standards? He had a win streak, that is not enough to call him the best terran.... I dont think any other terran's play comes close atm. He's just looked like the best terran regardless of how much he's won, nobody has looked better lately. oh and Im a FXO hater. People should stop to hype too fast. Gumiho is a wonderful player, he has proven that already this year, he was called to become the best terran at the end of 2011 and he failed to accomplish anything this year. You can't be the best terran without success. Obviously he is pretty good, he has some very different strategies that are amazing to watch, great micro and macro, but there is not point of calling him the best terran until he actually achieves it. It was already boring for Forgg, and it still is everytime people hype a player too soon. its not hype, im not saying he's going to go win everything, but at this point in time, his play isnt matched by any other terran. Hell even during Mvp's GSL runs this year, he wasnt the best terran (well maybe season 2 i dont remember), a lot more than being the best terran goes into winning (just ask LeBron James before last year) LeBron James was the best small forward long before he won a championship. You can't compare SC2 pros to basketball pros in that manner.
Thats my point. Lebron best player at his position for a long time but never won anything. You can be the best at your position/race but not win anything is what i was saying when referring to gumiho.
Also Stephano vs Mvp is going to be sick i cant wait.
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On December 24 2012 06:01 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 05:05 iAmJeffReY wrote:On December 24 2012 05:04 Makro wrote:On December 24 2012 05:03 iAmJeffReY wrote:
Never saw, always wondered... What's MVPs APM, compared to MKP/gumiho/ryung/bomber/polt etc other 'top terrans'?
I never thought of MVP as a flashy micro player, just insane positioning. due to his injury mvp has to play with a low apm style (meca), but he's such a genius that his tactical sens is unmatched among other terrans He's played mech forever. He's been like the mech guy in my mind, for fucking ever. Even though, he never really seems to play 'fast'... Like I wanna see his APM to his EAPM. Is it like 200 apm 199 eapm lol Mvp does spam a lot as far as I recall from the MLG multi-replays I opened up in sc2gears. The lowest redundancy terrans are Polt and MKP, but Polt started spamming a bit more recently afaik. Gogo Stephano and Mvp! :D
Mvp was actually one of the best MMM-multitasker in 2011, but since then his health got alot worse, so he has to play this slow style.
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On December 24 2012 06:02 TommyP wrote:
Thats my point. Lebron best player at his position for a long time but never won anything. You can be the best at your position/race but not win anything is what i was saying when referring to gumiho.
Also Stephano vs Mvp is going to be sick i cant wait.
Comparing an individual sport to a team sport is pretty smart.
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On December 24 2012 05:31 IronSquid wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 05:25 gillon wrote:
I'm pretty sure the picture they keep using for Mini is Starnan, lol. that's the one he gave us I think :< (not 100% i'm not the one dealing with the pictures)
This is Mini and this is Starnan.
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United Kingdom14464 Posts
Wolf with the worst analogy ever :p
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On December 24 2012 06:02 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 05:38 CosmicSpiral wrote:On December 24 2012 05:28 TommyP wrote:On December 24 2012 05:24 ColtraneL wrote:On December 24 2012 05:09 TommyP wrote:On December 24 2012 05:07 Qwerty85 wrote:On December 24 2012 05:06 TommyP wrote:On December 24 2012 05:05 gillon wrote:On December 24 2012 05:03 sitromit wrote:On December 24 2012 04:49 pmp10 wrote:
Khaldor really needs to get over the whole 'ghosts' thing.
Pre-nerf he was whining about them on-air in GSL and now that they are rarely used in the match-up he soothes his guilty conscience by shouting 'Gumiho' whenever issues of TvZ are brought up. Why should he ignore the fact that one of the most successful Terran players lately has shown multiple times in the last few months that Ghosts are very viable and useful, while the rest continue to whine that they're absolute crap and refuse to build them at all? Because they are, in fact, crap in TvZ and that is the very reason you only see gumiho build them. but Gumibear is best Terran right now, obviously he's doing something right. Best terran by what standards? He had a win streak, that is not enough to call him the best terran.... I dont think any other terran's play comes close atm. He's just looked like the best terran regardless of how much he's won, nobody has looked better lately. oh and Im a FXO hater. People should stop to hype too fast. Gumiho is a wonderful player, he has proven that already this year, he was called to become the best terran at the end of 2011 and he failed to accomplish anything this year. You can't be the best terran without success. Obviously he is pretty good, he has some very different strategies that are amazing to watch, great micro and macro, but there is not point of calling him the best terran until he actually achieves it. It was already boring for Forgg, and it still is everytime people hype a player too soon. its not hype, im not saying he's going to go win everything, but at this point in time, his play isnt matched by any other terran. Hell even during Mvp's GSL runs this year, he wasnt the best terran (well maybe season 2 i dont remember), a lot more than being the best terran goes into winning (just ask LeBron James before last year) LeBron James was the best small forward long before he won a championship. You can't compare SC2 pros to basketball pros in that manner. Thats my point. Lebron best player at his position for a long time but never won anything. You can be the best at your position/race but not win anything is what i was saying when referring to gumiho. Also Stephano vs Mvp is going to be sick i cant wait.
Hai.
Basketball = team game.
SC2 = 1on1 game
Kk.
Or we could start argueing why bomber is the best terran in the world, because his TvP is godly and Gumiho is not even close to his shoes at that match up. And yes, it sounds stupid because it is.
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Stephano keeps his infestors on his main army hotkey? Common dude.
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France12771 Posts
On December 24 2012 06:03 ES.Genie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 06:01 Poopi wrote:On December 24 2012 05:05 iAmJeffReY wrote:On December 24 2012 05:04 Makro wrote:On December 24 2012 05:03 iAmJeffReY wrote:
Never saw, always wondered... What's MVPs APM, compared to MKP/gumiho/ryung/bomber/polt etc other 'top terrans'?
I never thought of MVP as a flashy micro player, just insane positioning. due to his injury mvp has to play with a low apm style (meca), but he's such a genius that his tactical sens is unmatched among other terrans He's played mech forever. He's been like the mech guy in my mind, for fucking ever. Even though, he never really seems to play 'fast'... Like I wanna see his APM to his EAPM. Is it like 200 apm 199 eapm lol Mvp does spam a lot as far as I recall from the MLG multi-replays I opened up in sc2gears. The lowest redundancy terrans are Polt and MKP, but Polt started spamming a bit more recently afaik. Gogo Stephano and Mvp! :D Mvp was actually one of the best MMM-multitasker in 2011, but since then his health got alot worse, so he has to play this slow style.
Yeah. I know, that's why I also knew that Leenock wasn't that much of a beast for beating Mvp in this MLG before he failed vs Jjakji, cuz Mvp wasn't playing his bio as well as in the past because of his health.
I miss the old Mvp utter domination, in this gisado showmatches where he beat 5 of the best zergs of the planet one after another, along with winning GSL and another tourney.
Scary to imagine what he could have done without his injury.
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this is what i call a fucking intense micro war, gratz stephano
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Poll: Recommend Stephano - MaNa Game 2Yes (17) 74% No (4) 17% If you have time (2) 9% 23 total votes Your vote: Recommend Stephano - MaNa Game 2 (Vote): Yes
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(Vote): If you have time
Poll: Recommend Stephano - MaNa Game 3Yes (4) 44% No (3) 33% If you have time (2) 22% 9 total votes Your vote: Recommend Stephano - MaNa Game 3 (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time
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wow.. mana playing so well and just can't break through
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How many zergs would have survived to this push ?
Stephano so strong...
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Stephano should have it now. why didnt Mana try to expand... Mana loses to alot of zergs as of late, hope he can come back by taking out mini then taking out Mvp should be possible, Mvp hasn't looked to great and Mana is alot better vs t
edit: I think Stephano should win over Mvp since Mvp looked weak against Mini
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On December 24 2012 06:07 Zenbrez wrote:
Stephano keeps his infestors on his main army hotkey? Common dude.
bashing stephano's army control takes some balls :D
stephano select infestors by ctrl-clicking into the unit bar after pushing hotkey, that takes some skill to do it as fast as he does
Best PvZ I've seen in a while, i really thought mana was doing it at some point (stephano back on two bases + 1 going up on the left)
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I hate it every time a caster says "the fungals are good". When you have 8-10 infestors it's hard NOT to get some good fungals.
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MVP vs Stephano should be a great game. Is it their first confrontation? I don't remember them playing each other before.
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On December 24 2012 06:12 pufulete wrote:
I hate it every time a caster says "the fungals are good". When you have 8-10 infestors it's hard NOT to get some good fungals.
actually considering the fact that there were a lot of colossi, their range is a good counter to avoid a good fungal, in the last fight stephano did pretty well
@ fastlr : blizzard cup 2011, bo1 if i'm not mistaken
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EPT
