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On December 24 2012 05:20 glzElectromaster wrote:
This game kind hurt my brain.
you are not alone.
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On December 24 2012 05:03 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 04:49 pmp10 wrote:
Khaldor really needs to get over the whole 'ghosts' thing.
Pre-nerf he was whining about them on-air in GSL and now that they are rarely used in the match-up he soothes his guilty conscience by shouting 'Gumiho' whenever issues of TvZ are brought up. Why should he ignore the fact that one of the most successful Terran players lately has shown multiple times in the last few months that Ghosts are very viable and useful, while the rest continue to whine that they're absolute crap and refuse to build them at all?
Gumhios results aside the reason is simple - other terran pros disagree and Khaldor is not qualified to say he knows better.
Other casters that indulge in bias at least have the good form to try and be funny about it.
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On December 24 2012 05:15 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 05:14 Scrubwave wrote:On December 24 2012 05:13 Qwerty85 wrote:On December 24 2012 05:10 Scrubwave wrote:On December 24 2012 05:04 TheDwf wrote:On December 24 2012 04:58 Scrubwave wrote:
Wonder if not sieging tanks against ultras was intentional.
Apparently so, since he didn't siege them again. Of course it was on purpose, against pure Ultralisks unsieged Tanks are much better. Yeah, but often terran players forget to siege but I guess I should've known better since it's MVP. If it was a mistake, he would probably siege the tanks in later fights, but he didn't so it was probably intentional. It makes sense since tanks in siege can hit ultras probably once before they close the distance... That and ultras are big enough to eat whole splash damage. Exactly. No need to splash ultras when regular siege tanks have higher DPS and ultras really absorb the whole blast.
And the normal attack is somewhat okay against lings as well if you are +3. If you have a few hellions scattered in at the sides a tank clump is pretty good with 3 armor upgrades against lings/ultra. The problem are chain Fungals, but thats why you siege a few Tanks.
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On December 24 2012 05:09 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 05:07 Qwerty85 wrote:On December 24 2012 05:06 TommyP wrote:On December 24 2012 05:05 gillon wrote:On December 24 2012 05:03 sitromit wrote:On December 24 2012 04:49 pmp10 wrote:
Khaldor really needs to get over the whole 'ghosts' thing.
Pre-nerf he was whining about them on-air in GSL and now that they are rarely used in the match-up he soothes his guilty conscience by shouting 'Gumiho' whenever issues of TvZ are brought up. Why should he ignore the fact that one of the most successful Terran players lately has shown multiple times in the last few months that Ghosts are very viable and useful, while the rest continue to whine that they're absolute crap and refuse to build them at all? Because they are, in fact, crap in TvZ and that is the very reason you only see gumiho build them. but Gumibear is best Terran right now, obviously he's doing something right. Best terran by what standards? He had a win streak, that is not enough to call him the best terran.... I dont think any other terran's play comes close atm. He's just looked like the best terran regardless of how much he's won, nobody has looked better lately. oh and Im a FXO hater.
People should stop to hype too fast. Gumiho is a wonderful player, he has proven that already this year, he was called to become the best terran at the end of 2011 and he failed to accomplish anything this year. You can't be the best terran without success.
Obviously he is pretty good, he has some very different strategies that are amazing to watch, great micro and macro, but there is not point of calling him the best terran until he actually achieves it. It was already boring for Forgg, and it still is everytime people hype a player too soon.
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They're adapting to the patch.
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I'm pretty sure the picture they keep using for Mini is Starnan, lol.
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On December 24 2012 05:24 ColtraneL wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 05:09 TommyP wrote:On December 24 2012 05:07 Qwerty85 wrote:On December 24 2012 05:06 TommyP wrote:On December 24 2012 05:05 gillon wrote:On December 24 2012 05:03 sitromit wrote:On December 24 2012 04:49 pmp10 wrote:
Khaldor really needs to get over the whole 'ghosts' thing.
Pre-nerf he was whining about them on-air in GSL and now that they are rarely used in the match-up he soothes his guilty conscience by shouting 'Gumiho' whenever issues of TvZ are brought up. Why should he ignore the fact that one of the most successful Terran players lately has shown multiple times in the last few months that Ghosts are very viable and useful, while the rest continue to whine that they're absolute crap and refuse to build them at all? Because they are, in fact, crap in TvZ and that is the very reason you only see gumiho build them. but Gumibear is best Terran right now, obviously he's doing something right. Best terran by what standards? He had a win streak, that is not enough to call him the best terran.... I dont think any other terran's play comes close atm. He's just looked like the best terran regardless of how much he's won, nobody has looked better lately. oh and Im a FXO hater. People should stop to hype too fast. Gumiho is a wonderful player, he has proven that already this year, he was called to become the best terran at the end of 2011 and he failed to accomplish anything this year. You can't be the best terran without success. Obviously he is pretty good, he has some very different strategies that are amazing to watch, great micro and macro, but there is not point of calling him the best terran until he actually achieves it. It was already boring for Forgg, and it still is everytime people hype a player too soon.
its not hype, im not saying he's going to go win everything, but at this point in time, his play isnt matched by any other terran. Hell even during Mvp's GSL runs this year, he wasnt the best terran (well maybe season 2 i dont remember), a lot more than being the best terran goes into winning (just ask LeBron James before last year)
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i guess i was right, it's not like it was a hard prediction tbh
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On December 24 2012 05:25 gillon wrote:
I'm pretty sure the picture they keep using for Mini is Starnan, lol.
that's the one he gave us I think :< (not 100% i'm not the one dealing with the pictures)
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On December 24 2012 05:22 pmp10 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 05:03 sitromit wrote:On December 24 2012 04:49 pmp10 wrote:
Khaldor really needs to get over the whole 'ghosts' thing.
Pre-nerf he was whining about them on-air in GSL and now that they are rarely used in the match-up he soothes his guilty conscience by shouting 'Gumiho' whenever issues of TvZ are brought up. Why should he ignore the fact that one of the most successful Terran players lately has shown multiple times in the last few months that Ghosts are very viable and useful, while the rest continue to whine that they're absolute crap and refuse to build them at all? Gumhios results aside the reason is simple - other terran pros disagree and Khaldor is not qualified to say he knows better. Other casters that indulge in bias at least have the good form to try and be funny about it.
What qualification is necessary when the results are there for everyone to see? Gumiho uses Ghosts against the best Zergs in the world, and anyone who watched those games can see that Ghosts were very effective.
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Mana is getting supply blocked a lot...
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On December 24 2012 05:28 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 05:24 ColtraneL wrote:On December 24 2012 05:09 TommyP wrote:On December 24 2012 05:07 Qwerty85 wrote:On December 24 2012 05:06 TommyP wrote:On December 24 2012 05:05 gillon wrote:On December 24 2012 05:03 sitromit wrote:On December 24 2012 04:49 pmp10 wrote:
Khaldor really needs to get over the whole 'ghosts' thing.
Pre-nerf he was whining about them on-air in GSL and now that they are rarely used in the match-up he soothes his guilty conscience by shouting 'Gumiho' whenever issues of TvZ are brought up. Why should he ignore the fact that one of the most successful Terran players lately has shown multiple times in the last few months that Ghosts are very viable and useful, while the rest continue to whine that they're absolute crap and refuse to build them at all? Because they are, in fact, crap in TvZ and that is the very reason you only see gumiho build them. but Gumibear is best Terran right now, obviously he's doing something right. Best terran by what standards? He had a win streak, that is not enough to call him the best terran.... I dont think any other terran's play comes close atm. He's just looked like the best terran regardless of how much he's won, nobody has looked better lately. oh and Im a FXO hater. People should stop to hype too fast. Gumiho is a wonderful player, he has proven that already this year, he was called to become the best terran at the end of 2011 and he failed to accomplish anything this year. You can't be the best terran without success. Obviously he is pretty good, he has some very different strategies that are amazing to watch, great micro and macro, but there is not point of calling him the best terran until he actually achieves it. It was already boring for Forgg, and it still is everytime people hype a player too soon. its not hype, im not saying he's going to go win everything, but at this point in time, his play isnt matched by any other terran. Hell even during Mvp's GSL runs this year, he wasnt the best terran (well maybe season 2 i dont remember), a lot more than being the best terran goes into winning (just ask LeBron James before last year)
Then "best terran in the world" is a pretty meaningless title.
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United States15275 Posts
On December 24 2012 05:28 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 05:24 ColtraneL wrote:On December 24 2012 05:09 TommyP wrote:On December 24 2012 05:07 Qwerty85 wrote:On December 24 2012 05:06 TommyP wrote:On December 24 2012 05:05 gillon wrote:On December 24 2012 05:03 sitromit wrote:On December 24 2012 04:49 pmp10 wrote:
Khaldor really needs to get over the whole 'ghosts' thing.
Pre-nerf he was whining about them on-air in GSL and now that they are rarely used in the match-up he soothes his guilty conscience by shouting 'Gumiho' whenever issues of TvZ are brought up. Why should he ignore the fact that one of the most successful Terran players lately has shown multiple times in the last few months that Ghosts are very viable and useful, while the rest continue to whine that they're absolute crap and refuse to build them at all? Because they are, in fact, crap in TvZ and that is the very reason you only see gumiho build them. but Gumibear is best Terran right now, obviously he's doing something right. Best terran by what standards? He had a win streak, that is not enough to call him the best terran.... I dont think any other terran's play comes close atm. He's just looked like the best terran regardless of how much he's won, nobody has looked better lately. oh and Im a FXO hater. People should stop to hype too fast. Gumiho is a wonderful player, he has proven that already this year, he was called to become the best terran at the end of 2011 and he failed to accomplish anything this year. You can't be the best terran without success. Obviously he is pretty good, he has some very different strategies that are amazing to watch, great micro and macro, but there is not point of calling him the best terran until he actually achieves it. It was already boring for Forgg, and it still is everytime people hype a player too soon. its not hype, im not saying he's going to go win everything, but at this point in time, his play isnt matched by any other terran. Hell even during Mvp's GSL runs this year, he wasnt the best terran (well maybe season 2 i dont remember), a lot more than being the best terran goes into winning (just ask LeBron James before last year)
LeBron James was the best small forward long before he won a championship. You can't compare SC2 pros to basketball pros in that manner.
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That push is much better with pure zealot + HT + inmortals.
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It may have worked better if he just sent the Warp Prism in without walking his entire army next to Stephano's main showing the Overlord what he was trying to do.
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On December 24 2012 05:31 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 05:22 pmp10 wrote:On December 24 2012 05:03 sitromit wrote:On December 24 2012 04:49 pmp10 wrote:
Khaldor really needs to get over the whole 'ghosts' thing.
Pre-nerf he was whining about them on-air in GSL and now that they are rarely used in the match-up he soothes his guilty conscience by shouting 'Gumiho' whenever issues of TvZ are brought up. Why should he ignore the fact that one of the most successful Terran players lately has shown multiple times in the last few months that Ghosts are very viable and useful, while the rest continue to whine that they're absolute crap and refuse to build them at all? Gumhios results aside the reason is simple - other terran pros disagree and Khaldor is not qualified to say he knows better. Other casters that indulge in bias at least have the good form to try and be funny about it. What qualification is necessary when the results are there for everyone to see? Gumiho uses Ghosts against the best Zergs in the world, and anyone who watched those games can see that Ghosts were very effective.
Aside from other pro terrans.
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
And now Stephano just remaxes on corruptors and wins
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I expected that to go way worse for Mana.
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EPT
