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On December 21 2012 11:30 Fionn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 09:36 Popkiller wrote:
If Parting 4-0s with immortal-sentry all-ins, I demand he be given TL player of the year. Whichever player wins this final is getting my vote as player of the year. Life wins and he has 2 GSL's and a MLG, and if Parting wins he has a GSL, BWC and WCG with the bonus points of winning when everyone in his race is sucking at the moment. Leenock is up there as well, but he really needed that GSL win.
I know your banned from talking about DRG, but ...
but he is on the verge of winning a GSL event. More over, GSL event consisting entirely of champions. Same with MLG.
Yea Parting came in late in the year, but his dominance so far eclipses anything we've seen since broodwar.
what are you smoking? His dominance which has lasted only a month where many people were considering Leenock the best player?
He won BWC and WCG, he played like 1 korean in both of those combined. yes they are big tournaments, but they shouldnt be a big factor when determining dominance or who the best player is because he didnt play anyone. The MLG thing is probably showing how good he is better than those two events and it was an online tournament.
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On December 21 2012 11:30 Fionn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 09:36 Popkiller wrote:
If Parting 4-0s with immortal-sentry all-ins, I demand he be given TL player of the year. Whichever player wins this final is getting my vote as player of the year. Life wins and he has 2 GSL's and a MLG, and if Parting wins he has a GSL, BWC and WCG with the bonus points of winning when everyone in his race is sucking at the moment. Leenock is up there as well, but he really needed that GSL win.
protoss isn't exactly sucking that badly right now; 2x hero and creator have done pretty well. seed, mc, and rain have fallen off a bit, but terran's probably the real race that is struggling.
also imo, DRG is still a bit above either, with GSL, OSL 2nd, GSL RO4, MLG, 2x MLG 2nd, which is better than Life's results. PartinG also had a fairly easy WCG and BWC run.
if life wins, then DRG > Life > Leenock. If PartinG wins, then DRG > Leenock > PartinG
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On December 21 2012 11:09 Figgy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 10:58 1Dhalism wrote:
People who mention MVP seem to be missing the point. I am not comparing parting's career to MVP's career. I am comparing Parting's run(as in this particular series of games, starting wiht WCS) to anything we have seen yet. And it is far far more impressive then MVP. From looking at MVP's wiki i don't think he even won 2 tournaments in a row(and Parting in going on 4).
Not to mention who parting is actually beating. He is beating GSL/MLG/OSL/IPL/DH/NASL champions, runner ups and bronze medalists, who are on form, one after another. You clearly weren't watching SC2 in the MVP era. He was winning EVERYTHING. He was winning to the god damn point that people were saying he was in a slump even after winning a GSL. No one was even close to him, he was far and away the best player in the world, period.
Not really. The point is during his reign he was dropping matches to people and losing in tournaments.
Right now Parting is simply NOT LOSING.
Not losing at all is better then losing less then everybody else. The question is can he keep it up long enough.
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On December 21 2012 11:39 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 11:30 Fionn wrote:On December 21 2012 09:36 Popkiller wrote:
If Parting 4-0s with immortal-sentry all-ins, I demand he be given TL player of the year. Whichever player wins this final is getting my vote as player of the year. Life wins and he has 2 GSL's and a MLG, and if Parting wins he has a GSL, BWC and WCG with the bonus points of winning when everyone in his race is sucking at the moment. Leenock is up there as well, but he really needed that GSL win. protoss isn't exactly sucking that badly right now; 2x hero and creator have done pretty well. seed, mc, and rain have fallen off a bit, but terran's probably the real race that is struggling. also imo, DRG is still a bit above either, with GSL, OSL 2nd, GSL RO4, MLG, 2x MLG 2nd, which is better than Life's results. PartinG also had a fairly easy WCG and BWC run. if life wins, then DRG > Life > Leenock. If PartinG wins, then DRG > Leenock > PartinG
DRG won two MLGs this year ^^
If Life wins, I would understand if people wanted to vote him player of the year, if not, its gotta be DRG, but still if you argue that Parting is doing this during zerg dominance, DRG was dominant when zerg wasnt, where as Life was pwning during the height of the zerg reign.
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On December 21 2012 11:43 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 11:39 opterown wrote:On December 21 2012 11:30 Fionn wrote:On December 21 2012 09:36 Popkiller wrote:
If Parting 4-0s with immortal-sentry all-ins, I demand he be given TL player of the year. Whichever player wins this final is getting my vote as player of the year. Life wins and he has 2 GSL's and a MLG, and if Parting wins he has a GSL, BWC and WCG with the bonus points of winning when everyone in his race is sucking at the moment. Leenock is up there as well, but he really needed that GSL win. protoss isn't exactly sucking that badly right now; 2x hero and creator have done pretty well. seed, mc, and rain have fallen off a bit, but terran's probably the real race that is struggling. also imo, DRG is still a bit above either, with GSL, OSL 2nd, GSL RO4, MLG, 2x MLG 2nd, which is better than Life's results. PartinG also had a fairly easy WCG and BWC run. if life wins, then DRG > Life > Leenock. If PartinG wins, then DRG > Leenock > PartinG DRG won two MLGs this year ^^ If Life wins, I would understand if people wanted to vote him player of the year, if not, its gotta be DRG.
DRG's other MLG win was a pretty small tournament, I wouldn't give much weight to it
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On December 21 2012 11:42 1Dhalism wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 11:09 Figgy wrote:On December 21 2012 10:58 1Dhalism wrote:
People who mention MVP seem to be missing the point. I am not comparing parting's career to MVP's career. I am comparing Parting's run(as in this particular series of games, starting wiht WCS) to anything we have seen yet. And it is far far more impressive then MVP. From looking at MVP's wiki i don't think he even won 2 tournaments in a row(and Parting in going on 4).
Not to mention who parting is actually beating. He is beating GSL/MLG/OSL/IPL/DH/NASL champions, runner ups and bronze medalists, who are on form, one after another. You clearly weren't watching SC2 in the MVP era. He was winning EVERYTHING. He was winning to the god damn point that people were saying he was in a slump even after winning a GSL. No one was even close to him, he was far and away the best player in the world, period. Not really. The point is during his reign he was dropping matches to people and losing in tournaments. Right now Parting is simply NOT LOSING. Not losing at all is better then losing less then everybody else. The question is can he keep it up long enough.
PartinG hasn't gotten very far at all in the last 3 GSLs. he also lost to leenock in blizzcup haha
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im excited about the hots showmatch
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On December 21 2012 11:47 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 11:43 TommyP wrote:On December 21 2012 11:39 opterown wrote:On December 21 2012 11:30 Fionn wrote:On December 21 2012 09:36 Popkiller wrote:
If Parting 4-0s with immortal-sentry all-ins, I demand he be given TL player of the year. Whichever player wins this final is getting my vote as player of the year. Life wins and he has 2 GSL's and a MLG, and if Parting wins he has a GSL, BWC and WCG with the bonus points of winning when everyone in his race is sucking at the moment. Leenock is up there as well, but he really needed that GSL win. protoss isn't exactly sucking that badly right now; 2x hero and creator have done pretty well. seed, mc, and rain have fallen off a bit, but terran's probably the real race that is struggling. also imo, DRG is still a bit above either, with GSL, OSL 2nd, GSL RO4, MLG, 2x MLG 2nd, which is better than Life's results. PartinG also had a fairly easy WCG and BWC run. if life wins, then DRG > Life > Leenock. If PartinG wins, then DRG > Leenock > PartinG DRG won two MLGs this year ^^ If Life wins, I would understand if people wanted to vote him player of the year, if not, its gotta be DRG. DRG's other MLG win was a pretty small tournament, I wouldn't give much weight to it
True, but it still had a nice player pool with guys such as MC, Parting, and MKP.
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Seeing sex coma zerg makes me happy and sad at the same time. I was so rooting for Elfi to win it in the strangest fashion possible against another Korean, (he'd beaten them in the past in crazy fashion) but that series was mind blowingingly crazy. If Life doesn't win that series and run to the TSL finals on the back of it maybe even his legendarily high levels of confidence could've been hurt, (he's said losing to a foreign player is something that he doesn't believe is possible during that tourney).
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On December 21 2012 11:49 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 11:47 opterown wrote:On December 21 2012 11:43 TommyP wrote:On December 21 2012 11:39 opterown wrote:On December 21 2012 11:30 Fionn wrote:On December 21 2012 09:36 Popkiller wrote:
If Parting 4-0s with immortal-sentry all-ins, I demand he be given TL player of the year. Whichever player wins this final is getting my vote as player of the year. Life wins and he has 2 GSL's and a MLG, and if Parting wins he has a GSL, BWC and WCG with the bonus points of winning when everyone in his race is sucking at the moment. Leenock is up there as well, but he really needed that GSL win. protoss isn't exactly sucking that badly right now; 2x hero and creator have done pretty well. seed, mc, and rain have fallen off a bit, but terran's probably the real race that is struggling. also imo, DRG is still a bit above either, with GSL, OSL 2nd, GSL RO4, MLG, 2x MLG 2nd, which is better than Life's results. PartinG also had a fairly easy WCG and BWC run. if life wins, then DRG > Life > Leenock. If PartinG wins, then DRG > Leenock > PartinG DRG won two MLGs this year ^^ If Life wins, I would understand if people wanted to vote him player of the year, if not, its gotta be DRG. DRG's other MLG win was a pretty small tournament, I wouldn't give much weight to it True, but it still had a nice player pool with guys such as MC, Parting, and MKP.
I'm not counting it for the same reason that MLG ToC shouldn't be really counted when we discuss player of the year. Neither are really premier, and, stacked as they may be, they just don't hold the same prestige haha. You could win a FXOpenis tournament (which are easily more stacked than most IEMs/DH/MLGs) but they won't count that much
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On December 21 2012 11:48 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 11:42 1Dhalism wrote:On December 21 2012 11:09 Figgy wrote:On December 21 2012 10:58 1Dhalism wrote:
People who mention MVP seem to be missing the point. I am not comparing parting's career to MVP's career. I am comparing Parting's run(as in this particular series of games, starting wiht WCS) to anything we have seen yet. And it is far far more impressive then MVP. From looking at MVP's wiki i don't think he even won 2 tournaments in a row(and Parting in going on 4).
Not to mention who parting is actually beating. He is beating GSL/MLG/OSL/IPL/DH/NASL champions, runner ups and bronze medalists, who are on form, one after another. You clearly weren't watching SC2 in the MVP era. He was winning EVERYTHING. He was winning to the god damn point that people were saying he was in a slump even after winning a GSL. No one was even close to him, he was far and away the best player in the world, period. Not really. The point is during his reign he was dropping matches to people and losing in tournaments. Right now Parting is simply NOT LOSING. Not losing at all is better then losing less then everybody else. The question is can he keep it up long enough. PartinG hasn't gotten very far at all in the last 3 GSLs. he also lost to leenock in blizzcup haha
A Quarterfinal finish and a semi-final finish in GSL this year, to go with his BWC, WCG, and MLG ToC championships. Those + a Blizzard Cup win would push him over the top. I'm in agreement with Fionn here, Player of the Year goes to the winner of this match. Runner up goes to the runner up.
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okay, if parting wins, i'll have to actually think and decide who i vote for since drg's shitty second half of the year made me forgot how great he was in the first half.
but if life wins, i'm giving it to him. 2 GSL's and a MLG at the age of 15 while having to go to school daily? i don't care if he's a patchzerg, that's impressive.
i miss last year. picking mvp was so easy.
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On December 21 2012 11:53 Kiyo. wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 11:48 opterown wrote:On December 21 2012 11:42 1Dhalism wrote:On December 21 2012 11:09 Figgy wrote:On December 21 2012 10:58 1Dhalism wrote:
People who mention MVP seem to be missing the point. I am not comparing parting's career to MVP's career. I am comparing Parting's run(as in this particular series of games, starting wiht WCS) to anything we have seen yet. And it is far far more impressive then MVP. From looking at MVP's wiki i don't think he even won 2 tournaments in a row(and Parting in going on 4).
Not to mention who parting is actually beating. He is beating GSL/MLG/OSL/IPL/DH/NASL champions, runner ups and bronze medalists, who are on form, one after another. You clearly weren't watching SC2 in the MVP era. He was winning EVERYTHING. He was winning to the god damn point that people were saying he was in a slump even after winning a GSL. No one was even close to him, he was far and away the best player in the world, period. Not really. The point is during his reign he was dropping matches to people and losing in tournaments. Right now Parting is simply NOT LOSING. Not losing at all is better then losing less then everybody else. The question is can he keep it up long enough. PartinG hasn't gotten very far at all in the last 3 GSLs. he also lost to leenock in blizzcup haha A Quarterfinal finish and a semi-final finish in GSL this year, to go with his BWC, WCG, and MLG ToC championships. Those + a Blizzard Cup win would push him over the top. I'm in agreement with Fionn here, Player of the Year goes to the winner of this match. Runner up goes to the runner up.
remember that parting faced all of one korean for WCG and BWC; MLG ToC is a pretty minor tournament as far as things go.
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On December 21 2012 11:54 Fionn wrote:
okay, if parting wins, i'll have to actually think and decide who i vote for since drg's shitty second half of the year made me forgot how great he was in the first half.
but if life wins, i'm giving it to him. 2 GSL's and a MLG at the age of 15 while having to go to school daily? i don't care if he's a patchzerg, that's impressive.
i miss last year. picking mvp was so easy.
shitty second half of year making OSL finals TT
also why should life's age and the fact that he goes to school factor into this at all?
A Quarterfinal finish and a semi-final finish in GSL this year, to go with his BWC, WCG, and MLG ToC championships. Those + a Blizzard Cup win would push him over the top. I'm in agreement with Fionn here, Player of the Year goes to the winner of this match. Runner up goes to the runner up.
A semifinal finish and GSL championship, to go along with MLG spring championships, and MLG spring arena 1(only included because you put the ToC thing even though Opterown told me it wasnt important) those +making the OSL finals make it so no matter who wins this, DRG is player of the year?
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On December 21 2012 11:48 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 11:42 1Dhalism wrote:On December 21 2012 11:09 Figgy wrote:On December 21 2012 10:58 1Dhalism wrote:
People who mention MVP seem to be missing the point. I am not comparing parting's career to MVP's career. I am comparing Parting's run(as in this particular series of games, starting wiht WCS) to anything we have seen yet. And it is far far more impressive then MVP. From looking at MVP's wiki i don't think he even won 2 tournaments in a row(and Parting in going on 4).
Not to mention who parting is actually beating. He is beating GSL/MLG/OSL/IPL/DH/NASL champions, runner ups and bronze medalists, who are on form, one after another. You clearly weren't watching SC2 in the MVP era. He was winning EVERYTHING. He was winning to the god damn point that people were saying he was in a slump even after winning a GSL. No one was even close to him, he was far and away the best player in the world, period. Not really. The point is during his reign he was dropping matches to people and losing in tournaments. Right now Parting is simply NOT LOSING. Not losing at all is better then losing less then everybody else. The question is can he keep it up long enough. PartinG hasn't gotten very far at all in the last 3 GSLs. he also lost to leenock in blizzcup haha
Again, we're not talking about parting's career. But leenock loss i indeed overlooked.
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On December 21 2012 11:54 Fionn wrote:
okay, if parting wins, i'll have to actually think and decide who i vote for since drg's shitty second half of the year made me forgot how great he was in the first half.
but if life wins, i'm giving it to him. 2 GSL's and a MLG at the age of 15 while having to go to school daily? i don't care if he's a patchzerg, that's impressive.
i miss last year. picking mvp was so easy.
But Parting's 2nd half is at least equal to DRG's first half (if Parting wins the Blizzard Cup), and his first half was arguably better than DRG's second half has been with his strong finishes in GSL Season 1 and 2.
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On December 21 2012 11:59 Kiyo. wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 11:54 Fionn wrote:
okay, if parting wins, i'll have to actually think and decide who i vote for since drg's shitty second half of the year made me forgot how great he was in the first half.
but if life wins, i'm giving it to him. 2 GSL's and a MLG at the age of 15 while having to go to school daily? i don't care if he's a patchzerg, that's impressive.
i miss last year. picking mvp was so easy. But Parting's 2nd half is at least equal to DRG's first half (if Parting wins the Blizzard Cup), and his first half was arguably better than DRG's second half has been with his strong finishes in GSL Season 1 and 2.
not quite, imo. the GSL, MLGs and stuff DRG got are higher caliber tournaments than BWC or WCG. DRG beat a lot of good koreans to get there.
also, crappy as DRG's second half may be, he did get an OSL 2nd place, which beats out a GSL RO4 or RO8. PartinG hasn't done well in GSLs at all either in the second half, and a lot of his success was based on one build carrying him.
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On December 21 2012 11:59 Kiyo. wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 11:54 Fionn wrote:
okay, if parting wins, i'll have to actually think and decide who i vote for since drg's shitty second half of the year made me forgot how great he was in the first half.
but if life wins, i'm giving it to him. 2 GSL's and a MLG at the age of 15 while having to go to school daily? i don't care if he's a patchzerg, that's impressive.
i miss last year. picking mvp was so easy. But Parting's 2nd half is at least equal to DRG's first half (if Parting wins the Blizzard Cup), and his first half was arguably better than DRG's second half has been with his strong finishes in GSL Season 1 and 2.
no. DRG was still in Code S Ro16 every season in the second half and made the OSL finals, that is way better than just doing well in Code S
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can someone explain to me what wonwonwon is? i'm guessing sentry immortal all-in?
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On December 21 2012 12:00 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 11:59 Kiyo. wrote:On December 21 2012 11:54 Fionn wrote:
okay, if parting wins, i'll have to actually think and decide who i vote for since drg's shitty second half of the year made me forgot how great he was in the first half.
but if life wins, i'm giving it to him. 2 GSL's and a MLG at the age of 15 while having to go to school daily? i don't care if he's a patchzerg, that's impressive.
i miss last year. picking mvp was so easy. But Parting's 2nd half is at least equal to DRG's first half (if Parting wins the Blizzard Cup), and his first half was arguably better than DRG's second half has been with his strong finishes in GSL Season 1 and 2. not quite, imo. the GSL, MLGs and stuff DRG got are higher caliber tournaments than BWC or WCG. DRG beat a lot of good koreans to get there. also, crappy as DRG's second half may be, he did get an OSL 2nd place, which beats out a GSL RO4 or RO8. PartinG hasn't done well in GSLs at all either in the second half, and a lot of his success was based on one build carrying him.
I feel like you're underrating Parting's BWC and WCG wins a bit too much. Maybe the main tournaments weren't that strong, but he did have to go through Korean (and Asian) qualifiers to get to those tournaments. 3rd place in Korea BWC qualifier, 2nd place in Asia BWC qualifier, and 3rd place in the WCG Korea qualifier.
Also, yes he's grown famous on one build, but you can't take away the fact that he's winning in a time of Zerg dominance. As Fionn said, it's something we haven't really seen in SC2 yet. Savior also won in a time where his race wasn't supposed to be able to win, primarily off his 3 Hatch Muta build.
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