On November 05 2012 20:32 Severian wrote: Is everyone complaining forgetting that MVP built 20 pretty useless tanks then sent them to their deaths with nothing but a few infestor kills to show for it, leaving his final army much smaller?
Mvp actually got a lot done with his tank raids. The obs didn't catch all of it, but he made the BLs fly everywhere but at his base for a long time, and he killed a base + the greater spire
On November 05 2012 20:34 Wildmoon wrote:
On November 05 2012 20:32 Severian wrote: Is everyone complaining forgetting that MVP built 20 pretty useless tanks then sent them to their deaths with nothing but a few infestor kills to show for it, leaving his final army much smaller?
It's his tanks that bought time for him to mass air.
Ok, I should've put it another way: everyone's acting like MVP had a 200-supply zerg-killing army of doom, whereas in reality it was like 8 Ravens, 15 Vikings and almost nothing else. Yeah, if he had've won the air battle because omg seeker missile so awesome~ he might've held off that attack for a bit, but there was no way he could actually win with that army.
Oh yeah, ofc Mvp was dead. His sky army was too small to win the game, people thinking he had a chance are desulionnal.
That's not the point. Even if he had 150 supply army the rest of it would have to be in ground units to defend against the tech switch.
Uhh no. If they were even economically and Terran plays right he should crush a weak Roach army with a few tanks and some Banshees. Seriously a well crafted Terran army CAN do this, just nobody is even trying. Makes me sad.
Yes, the best terrans in the world cannot do it but some TL poster has the solution!!!
Just tuned in. How come we suddenly get decent quality streams for free, and without having to install GOMPlayer? Is this temporary or will it stay like this?
On November 05 2012 20:35 sitromit wrote: Every time a Zerg wins, it's the same crap. Endless balance whining and redesigning of every single Zerg unit except Hydras.
Cause everyone knows they are way too fast!
I agree ravens need a buff but this game can't be an indicator cause Mvp was too far behind and had a way to small army.
With Fusion Core, Ravens can be made 2 at a time from techlab or something would be cool.
Ravens have already the most upgrade for a single unit in the game ;;
Seeker Missile Corvid Reactor High sec auto tracking Durable Material Building Armor
and yet, ...still so shit LOL
If you can upgrade all of that they are pretty good, takes so long tho.
Well, even atfer you upgrade all of that, a Raven still need 3min after he come out to have a Missile ready It's sad state for a unit, but an AoE damage spell will always make the unit look good sometimes
On November 05 2012 20:32 Severian wrote: Is everyone complaining forgetting that MVP built 20 pretty useless tanks then sent them to their deaths with nothing but a few infestor kills to show for it, leaving his final army much smaller?
Mvp actually got a lot done with his tank raids. The obs didn't catch all of it, but he made the BLs fly everywhere but at his base for a long time, and he killed a base + the greater spire
On November 05 2012 20:34 Wildmoon wrote:
On November 05 2012 20:32 Severian wrote: Is everyone complaining forgetting that MVP built 20 pretty useless tanks then sent them to their deaths with nothing but a few infestor kills to show for it, leaving his final army much smaller?
It's his tanks that bought time for him to mass air.
Ok, I should've put it another way: everyone's acting like MVP had a 200-supply zerg-killing army of doom, whereas in reality it was like 8 Ravens, 15 Vikings and almost nothing else. Yeah, if he had've won the air battle because omg seeker missile so awesome~ he might've held off that attack for a bit, but there was no way he could actually win with that army.
Flash will be doing this next year and you will feel pretty stupid. Thanks though.
Oh yeah, ofc Mvp was dead. His sky army was too small to win the game, people thinking he had a chance are desulionnal.
That's not the point. Even if he had 150 supply army the rest of it would have to be in ground units to defend against the tech switch.
Uhh no. If they were even economically and Terran plays right he should crush a weak Roach army with a few tanks and some Banshees. Seriously a well crafted Terran army CAN do this, just nobody is even trying. Makes me sad.
Yes, the best terrans in the world cannot do it but some TL poster has the solution!!!
Flash will be doing this next year and you will feel pretty stupid then. Whatever though, someone tries a suggestion, Terrans are too negative these days.
On November 05 2012 20:29 Maloreon wrote: Buff Ravens already (saying this as a Zerg). Reduce cost of HSM, make raven buildable from no tech lab imo. I'd love what that would do to the metagame.
That would simply make Ravens the terran equivelant of Infestors.
Balancing OP with more OP will just cause more terrible terrible damage.
Balancing OP with more OP was how BW was balanced lol. Nerfing sucks, buffing rocks! Make everything OP!
On November 05 2012 20:44 Scorch wrote: Just tuned in. How come we suddenly get decent quality streams for free, and without having to install GOMPlayer? Is this temporary or will it stay like this?
Temporary, its due Sandy ( the storm at the USA), some server problems I think
so now creator wanna make a six gate push. wat can a terran do to scout that? scv can't get in. BByong needs every single mule possible to get the economy going....
On November 05 2012 20:37 figq wrote: I only wonder that people choose *this* game to make comparisons between late game armies. In this game zerg won significant economic advantage much earlier before late game, and just pressed it methodically.
EXACTLY. And yet despite how close it was with MVP being miles behind, no Terrans are doing this style correctly:
1. BFH to get a lead. 2. FULL TURTLE with tanks and turrets, PF's, unbreakable. 3. Mass Thor, Viking, Raven, Ghost combo. 4. SMASH!
with you and your 3 measly bases? zerg would have all the other bases and his creep would spread to your doorstep, and he can remax his army many times over
and yeah MVP shld have 11/11 at least once. why he didnt do that.
You can easily turtle 4-5 base and get any units you want watch Hack vs. Zerg from up/downs. Anyway, its the same thing that Zerg do right now turtle to make perfect army that one shots all other armies. Economy is important but even if Zerg has the whole map if you craft the right army you can and will win. I believe!
Didn't Hack lose to both zergs in his U&D group (Hyun and B4)?
05.00 Bbyong spawning as the blue Terran in the 7 o'clock position. Creator spawning as the red Protoss in the 1 o'clock position.
Bbyong has fangirls. Even if he loses, he wins.
Rax on 12 for Bbyong, not walling off. Gateway for Creator, sends out scouting Probe.
Gas taken by Creator. Cybernetics Core started.
1rax expand coming in from Bbyong, CC on the natural. Creator not skipping the first Zealot, starts warp gate followed by Stalker.
Double gas for bbyong, bunker on the natural. Nexus started by Creator.
Factory started in Bbyongs base. Second gas from Creator.
10.00 Two gates added on for Creator. Two more Factories added on for Bbyong.
Creator adding on another 2 gates. Siege tech started for Bbyong. Scouting Stalker is pushed away.
Creator looks to be moving out, getting a forward Pylon. Siege tech almost finished.
Creator waits with his push, lot of Sentries, but Siege tech finishes. Creator goes for the push, siege tank isnt sieged up.
Bbyong pulls back into his ramp, no forcefields go down for Creator. Siege tank o n the hig ground gets taken out as Creator gets vision. Nice forcefields traps half the marines on the ramp, letting the ZEalots go wild. Second siege tanks pop out, but is quickly taken out despite fast repairs.
EPT
