On October 31 2012 23:09 Grumbels wrote:
hyun was a brood war a-teamer guys o.o
hyun was a brood war a-teamer guys o.o
so was bisu
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Australia54784 Posts
On October 31 2012 23:09 Grumbels wrote: hyun was a brood war a-teamer guys o.o so was bisu | ||
ilikeLIONZ
Germany427 Posts
nice design blizzard. i cheered for hero, he was definitely the better player in my eyes (+bias).. but ye, i guess the better player won *cough* | ||
FakeDeath
Malaysia6060 Posts
On October 31 2012 23:04 NovemberstOrm wrote: Show nested quote + On October 31 2012 23:01 shadymmj wrote: of course soulkey isn't good. there is no need to state the obvious. but if hero were that much better, he'd be the one advancing. after watching players like parting and by.sun, do you honestly think hero will stand a chance with this kind of sloppy play in the ro16? sloppy play? what's sloppy he was transitioning from getting 6 pooled lol. If he's playing sloppy I wonder what you would call foreigners play :O Well duh Hero was playing sloppy in Game 2 and Game 3. Game 2: The thing is with HerO is he did so many warp prism harass which is good but he did not have a strong standing army. He tried to be too cute with all those warp prism harass and Soulkey decided it was enough and just go fucking killed him with the Bls+Infestor+Queen and spine crawler push.Hero 5th,4th,3th,2th and main base all go down uncontested. He then tried to transition into void rays against 24 infestors???LOL Void rays seriously? Better off making templars or collosus. Game 3: 6 Pool and HerO defended it normally.Soulkey slightly ahead. HerO proceeded to go into templar tech and tried to push into Soulkey base. Couldn't because of infestors camping behind. Soulkey saw that HerO composition was heavy on zealots and went mass roach/infestors to go kill him. End of story. | ||
AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
On October 31 2012 23:10 ilikeLIONZ wrote: ZvP is incredibly frustrating and boring to watch! also HotS won't change that, ppl can still mass bl/infestor and not use the new units at all.. nice design blizzard. Well there's the incredibly dynamic Tempest coming in, that will revolutionize the way we see Esports. It'll be edge of your seat stuff. | ||
Snusmumriken
Sweden1717 Posts
On October 31 2012 23:07 NovemberstOrm wrote: Show nested quote + On October 31 2012 23:05 Snusmumriken wrote: On October 31 2012 22:59 Sedzz wrote: It's funny because the patch did not affect ZvP one single bit. Seriously whiners, just shut the fuck up. HerO lost, deal with it. No need to discredit soulkey as a player because you're a fanboy. Im not a fan of hero and I dont care about soulkey either way but you have no fucking clue what youre talking about. Faster overlords means more scouting means much safer means you can eco up much quicker (or defend if need be). I play terran and what stands out the most to me is how ridiculously boring zvp is. Statistically you either win with some trickery as protoss in early or midgame, or you lose to the massing zerg amoeba. Remember the days when zerg had to be one base up to be even with terran and protoss? Well those are long gone now. zerg can be a base down or two or three and still win lol. I know its almost like blizzard is intentionally shitting all over wol in order to make hots seem at least somewhat appealing. ![]() | ||
Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On October 31 2012 23:12 Snusmumriken wrote: Show nested quote + On October 31 2012 23:07 NovemberstOrm wrote: On October 31 2012 23:05 Snusmumriken wrote: On October 31 2012 22:59 Sedzz wrote: It's funny because the patch did not affect ZvP one single bit. Seriously whiners, just shut the fuck up. HerO lost, deal with it. No need to discredit soulkey as a player because you're a fanboy. Im not a fan of hero and I dont care about soulkey either way but you have no fucking clue what youre talking about. Faster overlords means more scouting means much safer means you can eco up much quicker (or defend if need be). I play terran and what stands out the most to me is how ridiculously boring zvp is. Statistically you either win with some trickery as protoss in early or midgame, or you lose to the massing zerg amoeba. Remember the days when zerg had to be one base up to be even with terran and protoss? Well those are long gone now. zerg can be a base down or two or three and still win lol. I know its almost like blizzard is intentionally shitting all over wol in order to make hots seem at least somewhat appealing. ![]() My god this man is onto something it's all a conspiracy the patch paves the way to hots :O. | ||
liberate71
Australia10252 Posts
On October 31 2012 23:01 tomatriedes wrote: Show nested quote + On October 31 2012 22:56 liberate71 wrote: On October 31 2012 22:55 tomatriedes wrote: On October 31 2012 22:47 liberate71 wrote: On October 31 2012 22:44 tomatriedes wrote: On October 31 2012 22:35 habeck wrote: On October 31 2012 22:33 InoyouS2 wrote: On October 31 2012 22:31 Darkhoarse wrote: That was ridiculous. If a protoss proxy two gates he can never recover no matter what if it fails. If a zerg six pools he just transitions out without doing any damage... Well, to be honest it screwed up HerO's build quite a bit, but yeah, the other two races have it sooooo tough against Zerg nowadays. well i dont think that 6pool failed, everything went quite good for SOULkey That's the problem- a zerg can 6 pool, throw away all their lings without killing a single worker and still end up economically ahead. Cause HerO had to fuck about microing probes and then starting a normal gateway expand cause he went FFE... And do you really think pros only go FFE because they're too lazy to do anything else? One gate expand just isn't effective which is part of the problem. Did he HAVE to expand? Soulkey didnt... lol :| Because you're going to know that in advance? It's so stupid when people think pros do things for no reason. They have to FFE because if they don't when zergs play a normal build they're just so behind. Anyway nothing's going to change in this matchup now- just gotta wait for HOTS. So Soulkey Meta'd HerO and countered the predictable PvZ Entombed build and that makes zerg imba? He took a calculated risk - he didnt go for 6 pool with a guarantee he'd be ahead ![]() | ||
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On October 31 2012 23:10 FakeDeath wrote: Show nested quote + On October 31 2012 23:04 NovemberstOrm wrote: On October 31 2012 23:01 shadymmj wrote: of course soulkey isn't good. there is no need to state the obvious. but if hero were that much better, he'd be the one advancing. after watching players like parting and by.sun, do you honestly think hero will stand a chance with this kind of sloppy play in the ro16? sloppy play? what's sloppy he was transitioning from getting 6 pooled lol. If he's playing sloppy I wonder what you would call foreigners play :O Well duh Hero was playing sloppy in Game 2 and Game 3. Game 2: The thing is with HerO is he did so many warp prism harass which is good but he did not have a strong standing army. He tried to be too cute with all those warp prism harass and Soulkey decided it was enough and just go fucking killed him with the Bls+Infestor+Queen and spine crawler push.Hero 5th,4th,3th,2th and main base all go down uncontested. He then tried to transition into void rays against 24 infestors???LOL Void rays seriously? Better off making templars or collosus. Game 3: 6 Pool and HerO defended it normally.Soulkey slightly ahead. HerO proceeded to go into templar tech and tried to push into Soulkey base. Couldn't because of infestors camping behind. Soulkey saw that HerO composition was heavy on zealots and went mass roach/infestors to go kill him. End of story. Dude that's not sloppy play LOL please go Google the definition of sloppy. If you're going to reply please understand what "sloppy" means Strong standing army? how else are you supposed to beat brood lord infestor? you can't unless your opponent messes up and his army gets vortexed, it's impossible to win with a protoss 200/200 army vs zerg 200/200 army if the composition is right for the zerg which was in this case. | ||
Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On October 31 2012 23:10 ilikeLIONZ wrote: ZvP is incredibly frustrating and boring to watch! also HotS won't change that, ppl can still mass bl/infestor and not use the new units at all.. nice design blizzard. Tempest is a direct counter to that unit comp. Please don't say "tempests suck", Blizzard will buff them until they do their job correctly. | ||
dynwar7
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On October 31 2012 23:10 opterown wrote: so was bisu hey don't talk bad about my beesuit his time will come | ||
Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On October 31 2012 23:18 Dodgin wrote: Show nested quote + On October 31 2012 23:10 opterown wrote: On October 31 2012 23:09 Grumbels wrote: hyun was a brood war a-teamer guys o.o so was bisu hey don't talk bad about my beesuit his time will come Too late by.rain has taken his place bisu and best are soooooo last game. | ||
NightOfTheDead
Lithuania1711 Posts
On October 31 2012 23:03 Serelitz wrote: Show nested quote + On October 31 2012 22:57 NightOfTheDead wrote: On October 31 2012 22:50 Serelitz wrote: On October 31 2012 22:47 Fusilero wrote: On October 31 2012 22:47 Cuce wrote: On October 31 2012 22:37 LimitSEA wrote: On October 31 2012 22:34 liberate71 wrote: On October 31 2012 22:33 Shellshock1122 wrote: Lol when I first opened this thread I was on a page that was joking about the seeds this season being no better than foreigners xD I guess Soulkey's seed is closer to naniwa than the standard foreigner ones As in he's made himself easy to dislike? ![]() All he's really done is play zerg and beat a Liquid player in ZvP. The state of the match up can't really be his fault, can it? ![]() well people are not hating on soulkey. they whine about pvz. Quite a few people are blatantly indicating that soulkey has just been carried by his race which is as silly as in WC3 when people accused players like lucifron of being carried by orc. No doubt Soulkey is a good player but his wins vs Hero took pretty much no skill at all. He defended against harass very poorly on Whirlwind and just sat on 3.5 bases until he was invincible. Game 3 he won the toss up of 'drones or lings' after 6pool vs FFE. Cant agree sorry. Mass roaches vs archives first is a good choice. I guess Hero thought that going robo was too clunky and late, but Soulkey got that just right. They were pretty on equal footing in midgame despite 6pool. They weren't even at all though - Hero's harass denied the 4th but Soulkey was ahead on drones by a lot more than usual. If you go robo in that situation your timing window for a 3base Anti hive timing is gone, and it just devolves into a similar scenario as game 2. His only chance was to hit a timing before Hive while hoping Soulkey would go straight from infestor / ling to BL / festor. You saw it by the timing he tried to hit with his moveout. Thats true, but Soulkey going 6 pool is by no means a fact that you are getting ahead as zerg. Soulkey's follow up with Nexus cancel is what Soulkey risked and got ahead. Also, in game 2 getting that mothership, catching some of Hero forces with fungles really turned everything around. There is no telling how would it go if Hero had more obs on the map/ with him. Well, Hots should fix lategame for PvZ, if not then when i will begin whining too (not saying ur whining by any means). | ||
Sumahi
Guam5609 Posts
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Grumbels
Netherlands7028 Posts
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ZerglingTwins
United States850 Posts
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On October 31 2012 23:21 NightOfTheDead wrote: Show nested quote + On October 31 2012 23:03 Serelitz wrote: On October 31 2012 22:57 NightOfTheDead wrote: On October 31 2012 22:50 Serelitz wrote: On October 31 2012 22:47 Fusilero wrote: On October 31 2012 22:47 Cuce wrote: On October 31 2012 22:37 LimitSEA wrote: On October 31 2012 22:34 liberate71 wrote: On October 31 2012 22:33 Shellshock1122 wrote: Lol when I first opened this thread I was on a page that was joking about the seeds this season being no better than foreigners xD I guess Soulkey's seed is closer to naniwa than the standard foreigner ones As in he's made himself easy to dislike? ![]() All he's really done is play zerg and beat a Liquid player in ZvP. The state of the match up can't really be his fault, can it? ![]() well people are not hating on soulkey. they whine about pvz. Quite a few people are blatantly indicating that soulkey has just been carried by his race which is as silly as in WC3 when people accused players like lucifron of being carried by orc. No doubt Soulkey is a good player but his wins vs Hero took pretty much no skill at all. He defended against harass very poorly on Whirlwind and just sat on 3.5 bases until he was invincible. Game 3 he won the toss up of 'drones or lings' after 6pool vs FFE. Cant agree sorry. Mass roaches vs archives first is a good choice. I guess Hero thought that going robo was too clunky and late, but Soulkey got that just right. They were pretty on equal footing in midgame despite 6pool. They weren't even at all though - Hero's harass denied the 4th but Soulkey was ahead on drones by a lot more than usual. If you go robo in that situation your timing window for a 3base Anti hive timing is gone, and it just devolves into a similar scenario as game 2. His only chance was to hit a timing before Hive while hoping Soulkey would go straight from infestor / ling to BL / festor. You saw it by the timing he tried to hit with his moveout. Thats true, but Soulkey going 6 pool is by no means a fact that you are getting ahead as zerg. Soulkey's follow up with Nexus cancel is what Soulkey risked and got ahead. Also, in game 2 getting that mothership, catching some of Hero forces with fungles really turned everything around. There is no telling how would it go if Hero had more obs on the map/ with him. Well, Hots should fix lategame for PvZ, if not then when i will begin whining too (not saying ur whining by any means). I am not sure about that. HerO could not engage that army if the spread was good. Although having the mothership would give him a better chance. He really needed Soulkey to clump has army. | ||
shadymmj
1906 Posts
no doubt, zerg is rather broken. but beatable. | ||
-TesteR-
Canada1165 Posts
On October 31 2012 23:01 shadymmj wrote: of course soulkey isn't good. there is no need to state the obvious. but if hero were that much better, he'd be the one advancing. after watching players like parting and by.sun, do you honestly think hero will stand a chance with this kind of sloppy play in the ro16? hero 3-2 soulkey | ||
xNebulous
United States142 Posts
I knew TL was anti-zerg but wow. Discrediting a players wins? What player is going to want to keep training hard and practicing if they see coments like this? This is thier job and passion and instead of getting praised for their hard work people just say "blah he only won because zerg is imba." The worst part is everyone seems to be ok with this. | ||
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