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bsdaemon
Profile Joined July 2012
618 Posts
October 31 2012 15:01 GMT
#1321
wow, i was expecting hero to pull through. watched hero 2-0 soulkey and went to sleep and now he is out lol.
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
October 31 2012 15:02 GMT
#1322
Oh man, what kind of sad fucked up world do we live in where people actually like ZvZ and TvP over ZvP?

Imagine if someone had said this would happen a year ago....
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Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
October 31 2012 15:03 GMT
#1323
Waw...HerO going 4-4 in maps and not making it to RO16. He must feel pretty bad

Glad for Soulkey though.
Wingblade
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1806 Posts
October 31 2012 15:19 GMT
#1324
On October 31 2012 23:52 FakeDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2012 23:48 Wingblade wrote:
On October 31 2012 23:38 FakeDeath wrote:
On October 31 2012 23:32 Serelitz wrote:
On October 31 2012 23:28 xNebulous wrote:
This is disgusting.

I knew TL was anti-zerg but wow. Discrediting a players wins? What player is going to want to keep training hard and practicing if they see coments like this? This is thier job and passion and instead of getting praised for their hard work people just say "blah he only won because zerg is imba." The worst part is everyone seems to be ok with this.


Because it's true? Think on the other side, Hero played much better than Soulkey and went 3-2 vs him, how motivating do you think that is for someone who makes a living off of it?


Seriously? Are you really agreeing that Soulkey won because zerg is just IMBA????????
Players had to work hard to win and discrediting player's win is just plain disgusting.

If HerO played much better than him, then he should have won.
But he didn't.
Too bad he wasn't clutch at the last moment.
Soulkey won and that's that.


How did Soulkey outplay HerO??? He lost base after base, and just sat around waiting for unkillable army. Got it, and just walked around the map killing everything. There is no answer to INF/BL as a Protoss. You have to be several times better than your opponent to win.


I never said Soulkey outplayed Hero.
The Korean meta ZvP is just turtling to Bls/Infestor and just killing your army.

Plus, Soulkey gave up on protecting his base and just went pushed down HerO base because protecting your base with Bls+Infestor is counterproductive and almost impossible with so much warp prism harass.

If HerO was several times better than Soulkey, then he should have cleanly sweeped him 2-0.

There are ways around beating the Bls+Infestor.
Just watched Sun vs DRG.



LOL this is like when Terrans were complaining over the summer and Zergs would just cite Taeja over and over. Rain is SEVERAL times better than DRG. DRG isn't even close to his level right now. HerO was only a few times better. Not enough to beat BL/INF. Soulkey gets 2-0ed in that game if the game is balanced.


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PartinG fanboy to the max, Rain/Squirtle/Dear/Scarlett/Bbyong are cool too. I don't always watch Dota2 but when I do I have no clue what's going on. GOGO POWER RANGERS
Wingblade
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1806 Posts
October 31 2012 15:21 GMT
#1325
On November 01 2012 00:02 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Oh man, what kind of sad fucked up world do we live in where people actually like ZvZ and TvP over ZvP?

Imagine if someone had said this would happen a year ago....


TvP is unmistakably the best matchup in SC2. The Zerg matchups are boring and imbalanced in favor of Zerg. TvT meta game is relatively stagnant. Theres also more variety in TvP than any other matchup. Plus it's balanced.
PartinG fanboy to the max, Rain/Squirtle/Dear/Scarlett/Bbyong are cool too. I don't always watch Dota2 but when I do I have no clue what's going on. GOGO POWER RANGERS
ArcticRaven
Profile Joined August 2011
France1406 Posts
October 31 2012 15:26 GMT
#1326
On November 01 2012 00:21 Wingblade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2012 00:02 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Oh man, what kind of sad fucked up world do we live in where people actually like ZvZ and TvP over ZvP?

Imagine if someone had said this would happen a year ago....


TvP is unmistakably the best matchup in SC2. The Zerg matchups are boring and imbalanced in favor of Zerg. TvT meta game is relatively stagnant. Theres also more variety in TvP than any other matchup. Plus it's balanced.


Unmistakably ? I beg to differ. Even if that wasn't about a subjective opinion, both "TvP see variety" and "ZvX is imba" are wrong. TvT and TvZ have a million possible openings and builds each and evolve continuously. TvP is only about the colossus vs HT choice and both players always have the same strategy. As for Zerg being overpowered.... Sweet Terran/Protoss tears.
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
October 31 2012 15:35 GMT
#1327
On November 01 2012 00:21 Wingblade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2012 00:02 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Oh man, what kind of sad fucked up world do we live in where people actually like ZvZ and TvP over ZvP?

Imagine if someone had said this would happen a year ago....


TvP is unmistakably the best matchup in SC2. The Zerg matchups are boring and imbalanced in favor of Zerg. TvT meta game is relatively stagnant. Theres also more variety in TvP than any other matchup. Plus it's balanced.

i'm pretty sure TvT is considered the best matchup by most in sc2
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grtgrt1
Profile Joined February 2011
76 Posts
October 31 2012 15:37 GMT
#1328
Discussing as if TvZ is not the best matchup to watch is ridiculous. Then TvT, then TvP. Funny, I don't even play terran.
Doomwish
Profile Joined July 2011
438 Posts
October 31 2012 15:40 GMT
#1329
On November 01 2012 00:35 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2012 00:21 Wingblade wrote:
On November 01 2012 00:02 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Oh man, what kind of sad fucked up world do we live in where people actually like ZvZ and TvP over ZvP?

Imagine if someone had said this would happen a year ago....


TvP is unmistakably the best matchup in SC2. The Zerg matchups are boring and imbalanced in favor of Zerg. TvT meta game is relatively stagnant. Theres also more variety in TvP than any other matchup. Plus it's balanced.

i'm pretty sure TvT is considered the best matchup by most in sc2



Balanced maybe. Best mirror maybe. Best matchup? for watching? no.
Eviscerador
Profile Joined October 2011
Spain286 Posts
October 31 2012 15:41 GMT
#1330
On October 31 2012 23:07 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2012 23:05 Snusmumriken wrote:
On October 31 2012 22:59 Sedzz wrote:
It's funny because the patch did not affect ZvP one single bit.

Seriously whiners, just shut the fuck up. HerO lost, deal with it. No need to discredit soulkey as a player because you're a fanboy.



Im not a fan of hero and I dont care about soulkey either way but you have no fucking clue what youre talking about. Faster overlords means more scouting means much safer means you can eco up much quicker (or defend if need be).

I play terran and what stands out the most to me is how ridiculously boring zvp is. Statistically you either win with some trickery as protoss in early or midgame, or you lose to the massing zerg amoeba.

Remember the days when zerg had to be one base up to be even with terran and protoss? Well those are long gone now.


zerg can be a base down or two or three and still win lol.


Sure, that is the reason for the triple hatch build as a counter for the FFE. Seems legit.
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SHOOG
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1639 Posts
October 31 2012 15:45 GMT
#1331
Hero
But glad another Kespa player made it in.
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
October 31 2012 15:47 GMT
#1332
Damn Soulkey already doing so well for himself, I'm impressed
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10341 Posts
October 31 2012 15:48 GMT
#1333
I always notice the balance whine in GSLs takes it up a notch whenever hero loses.
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Vorenius
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Denmark1979 Posts
October 31 2012 15:49 GMT
#1334
On November 01 2012 00:21 Wingblade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2012 00:02 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Oh man, what kind of sad fucked up world do we live in where people actually like ZvZ and TvP over ZvP?

Imagine if someone had said this would happen a year ago....


TvP is unmistakably the best matchup in SC2. The Zerg matchups are boring and imbalanced in favor of Zerg. TvT meta game is relatively stagnant. Theres also more variety in TvP than any other matchup. Plus it's balanced.

TvP balanced :D

It's funny how fast people forget. WCS korea had 7/8 protoss in the end. WCS Asia had 6/8. Oh yeah, wasn't OSL won by some protoss (against a top3 zerg no less)? Yet after three rounds in the GSL, protoss is suddenly a broken race
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
October 31 2012 15:51 GMT
#1335
On November 01 2012 00:40 Doomwish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2012 00:35 opterown wrote:
On November 01 2012 00:21 Wingblade wrote:
On November 01 2012 00:02 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Oh man, what kind of sad fucked up world do we live in where people actually like ZvZ and TvP over ZvP?

Imagine if someone had said this would happen a year ago....


TvP is unmistakably the best matchup in SC2. The Zerg matchups are boring and imbalanced in favor of Zerg. TvT meta game is relatively stagnant. Theres also more variety in TvP than any other matchup. Plus it's balanced.

i'm pretty sure TvT is considered the best matchup by most in sc2



Balanced maybe. Best mirror maybe. Best matchup? for watching? no.


I think it was boring back in the GomTvT days and smaller maps focus on siege lines. But the current trend seems to be terrans finding ways to engage these siege lines. And marine/tank and marine/tank usually means action all over the map whether it be flanks or drops. PvT still comes down to that 1 engagement (and some harass) once it goes past mid game. That is less games where it is really back and forth (there are some but not as many as TvT)
tsuxiit
Profile Joined July 2010
1305 Posts
October 31 2012 15:52 GMT
#1336
Damnit HerO
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17979 Posts
October 31 2012 15:57 GMT
#1337
Any discussion on the best matchup is kinda silly. TvZ has been the most interesting matchup for a long time, because it offers both players the largest range of options, encourages lots of attacks, backstabs and harrass AND has banelings vs. marines in it.

TvT is the best mirror matchup by a long shot.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
October 31 2012 15:57 GMT
#1338
On November 01 2012 00:40 Doomwish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2012 00:35 opterown wrote:
On November 01 2012 00:21 Wingblade wrote:
On November 01 2012 00:02 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Oh man, what kind of sad fucked up world do we live in where people actually like ZvZ and TvP over ZvP?

Imagine if someone had said this would happen a year ago....


TvP is unmistakably the best matchup in SC2. The Zerg matchups are boring and imbalanced in favor of Zerg. TvT meta game is relatively stagnant. Theres also more variety in TvP than any other matchup. Plus it's balanced.

i'm pretty sure TvT is considered the best matchup by most in sc2



Balanced maybe. Best mirror maybe. Best matchup? for watching? no.


In my experience good TvT's are the most recommended on the polls on TL.
SuperYo1000
Profile Joined July 2008
United States880 Posts
October 31 2012 15:58 GMT
#1339
On October 31 2012 23:38 FakeDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2012 23:32 Serelitz wrote:
On October 31 2012 23:28 xNebulous wrote:
This is disgusting.

I knew TL was anti-zerg but wow. Discrediting a players wins? What player is going to want to keep training hard and practicing if they see coments like this? This is thier job and passion and instead of getting praised for their hard work people just say "blah he only won because zerg is imba." The worst part is everyone seems to be ok with this.


Because it's true? Think on the other side, Hero played much better than Soulkey and went 3-2 vs him, how motivating do you think that is for someone who makes a living off of it?


Seriously? Are you really agreeing that Soulkey won because zerg is just IMBA????????
Players had to work hard to win and discrediting player's win is just plain disgusting.

If HerO played much better than him, then he should have won.
But he didn't.
Too bad he wasn't clutch at the last moment.
Soulkey won and that's that.



Hero DID play much better and he SHOULD of won but thats the whole arguement. Zerg late game is way too strong

Soulkey won yes but he was definitely not the better player
hitpoint
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1511 Posts
October 31 2012 16:03 GMT
#1340
On November 01 2012 00:40 Doomwish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2012 00:35 opterown wrote:
On November 01 2012 00:21 Wingblade wrote:
On November 01 2012 00:02 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Oh man, what kind of sad fucked up world do we live in where people actually like ZvZ and TvP over ZvP?

Imagine if someone had said this would happen a year ago....


TvP is unmistakably the best matchup in SC2. The Zerg matchups are boring and imbalanced in favor of Zerg. TvT meta game is relatively stagnant. Theres also more variety in TvP than any other matchup. Plus it's balanced.

i'm pretty sure TvT is considered the best matchup by most in sc2



Balanced maybe. Best mirror maybe. Best matchup? for watching? no.


It's better than the other mirrors and anything with a protoss in it. So at the very least it's second best to tvz.
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