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Snusmumriken
Sweden1717 Posts
On October 31 2012 22:51 Fusilero wrote: His wins were pretty silly but people should not be discrediting soulkey as a player because of them. Were not, were just throwing some well-deserved hate on zerg. | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
On October 31 2012 22:47 liberate71 wrote: Cause HerO had to fuck about microing probes and then starting a normal gateway expand cause he went FFE... And do you really think pros only go FFE because they're too lazy to do anything else? One gate expand just isn't effective which is part of the problem. | ||
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liberate71
Australia10252 Posts
On October 31 2012 22:53 Valkyrian wrote: So how many patchzergs will go through tomorrow place your bets. How does one win without becoming a "patchzerg"? Dont build overlords? so 6 pool-drone-pull straight up every game. AwwwwwwwYeah. | ||
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sitromit
7051 Posts
On October 31 2012 22:50 Serelitz wrote: No doubt Soulkey is a good player but his wins vs Hero took pretty much no skill at all. He defended against harass very poorly on Whirlwind and just sat on 3.5 bases until he was invincible. Game 3 he won the toss up of 'drones or lings' after 6pool vs FFE. Do you find it interesting that this same argument "defended against harass poorly, got outplayed, lost all his bases and tech", keeps coming up again and again in these games, like in Leenock vs Hero last season? Zerg have to go Infestor Broodlord to have any chance at beating Protoss late game, and when they do, at some point trying to defend against Warp Prism harass becomes impossible and counterproductive, so they just mass up a Broodlord deathball and go for the base trade, which is what Soulkey did. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On October 31 2012 22:50 sitromit wrote: Did you watch Curious vs Hero on entombed today????? Vortex won that game... Sorry, missed that game. But out of the many late game PvZs lately, just not as many game winning vortexes as before. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On October 31 2012 22:55 liberate71 wrote: How does one win without becoming a "patchzerg"? Dont build overlords? so 6 pool-drone-pull straight up every game. AwwwwwwwYeah. Naniwa confirmed only skill zerg. | ||
opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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liberate71
Australia10252 Posts
On October 31 2012 22:55 tomatriedes wrote: And do you really think pros only go FFE because they're too lazy to do anything else? One gate expand just isn't effective which is part of the problem. Did he HAVE to expand? Soulkey didnt... lol :| | ||
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vult
United States9399 Posts
On October 31 2012 22:54 Fusilero wrote: Hyun is the only zerg and he was legit way before the patch so stfu. Hyun has been compared to DRG and Nestea in terms of skill for quite a while, so while I do hate seeing so many zergs get through, i think Hyun will advance to RO16, along with my boy Rain ofc. | ||
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Valkyrian
Scotland11 Posts
On October 31 2012 22:54 Fusilero wrote: Hyun is the only zerg and he was legit way before the patch so stfu. JK name 1 good thing he did offline before patchzergs started dominating I just remember him being stomped in team leagues. | ||
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NightOfTheDead
Lithuania1711 Posts
On October 31 2012 22:50 Serelitz wrote: No doubt Soulkey is a good player but his wins vs Hero took pretty much no skill at all. He defended against harass very poorly on Whirlwind and just sat on 3.5 bases until he was invincible. Game 3 he won the toss up of 'drones or lings' after 6pool vs FFE. Cant agree sorry. Mass roaches vs archives first is a good choice. I guess Hero thought that going robo was too clunky and late, but Soulkey got that just right. They were pretty on equal footing in midgame despite 6pool. | ||
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liberate71
Australia10252 Posts
On October 31 2012 22:56 opterown wrote: Terran should have those campaign upgrades available in the campaign. Things like autorefinery, hercules dropships and tech reactors would make the game a bit fairer. Don't forget the Predator, for that ultimate mech composition. | ||
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snafoo
New Zealand1615 Posts
On October 31 2012 22:46 vthree wrote: I actually haven't seen a game winning vortex in GSL for quite some time. zergs have gotten really good at either neural, rush the MS with corrupters or just have a good enough spread that vortex doesn't do much. I really think zergs in general could do a much better job with neurals, like burrowing infestors around behind the army to catch the mothership whilst moving - similar to what Leenock did last season against the protoss players. So many times where the mothership is moving out to the army where a renegade infestor could get it. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On October 31 2012 22:56 Valkyrian wrote: JK name 1 good thing he did offline before patchzergs started dominating. He won all those online tournaments he can't go to every lan only polt gets sent to them by TSL? Jeez he drew taeja first round before the patch and besides hyun's style isn't patch ffs the patch made the infestor brood lord composition easier to reach because of the safety of scouting and queen defence. Hyun has always relied heavily on overwhelming at the lair stage that has literally nothing to do with the patch don't comment on players you know nothing about. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On October 31 2012 22:54 Fusilero wrote: Hyun is the only zerg and he was legit way before the patch so stfu. he was under 50% winrate before patch, the only TSL zerg to be above 50% prepatch was symbol. hyun was well known for stupid ingame decisions, not patchzerg style stuff, so it's unlikely that the patch is the main reason for his wins, but yeah, he was not particularly legit before patch iirc | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On October 31 2012 22:56 Valkyrian wrote: JK name 1 good thing he did offline before patchzergs started dominating I just remember him being stomped in team leagues. I hate zerg as much as the rest of you but Hyun is legit good, he's on a sick streak in fight club and just beat the reigning GSL champion in a bo9 in a mirror match. also he doesn't play patchzerg style. | ||
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Sedzz
Australia391 Posts
Seriously whiners, just shut the fuck up. HerO lost, deal with it. No need to discredit soulkey as a player because you're a fanboy. | ||
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On October 31 2012 22:55 sitromit wrote: Do you find it interesting that this same argument "defended against harass poorly, got outplayed, lost all his bases and tech", keeps coming up again and again in these games, like in Leenock vs Hero last season? Zerg have to go Infestor Broodlord to have any chance at beating Protoss late game, and when they do, at some point trying to defend against Warp Prism harass becomes impossible and counterproductive, so they just mass up a Broodlord deathball and go for the base trade, which is what Soulkey did. And balance aside, this is why people are complaining. The deathball has always been hated. And the Zerg deathball is just the most extreme example. You can even forfeit your bases. There is very little multitask, very little action. Just a ball of mobs slowly moving across the screen. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On October 31 2012 22:58 opterown wrote: he was under 50% winrate before patch, the only TSL zerg to be above 50% prepatch was symbol. hyun was well known for stupid ingame decisions, not patchzerg style stuff, so it's unlikely that the patch is the main reason for his wins, but yeah, he was not particularly legit before patch iirc Forsen vs hyun was legit good yo. | ||
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